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pollystyrene
And, not only was she was suffering from postpartum depression, which caused her therapist to advise her to not have more kids, she and her husband went to this wackadoo preacher who told her that it was her duty to have as many kids as god would allow and that the depression was just Satan's influence, blah, blah, blah, and the children's salvation was in her hands.

So, she had another kid, depression got worse, she felt that killing her children was the only way to save them from the devil.....um, yeah.
tesao
going back to the starting a drunk thread -- would the idea be to ONLY be able to post in it when you are drunk? now, THAT would be hilarious. (but only when we read it the next day)

i don't know about anyone else, but i am really loving the new lounge. i actually WANT to come and post here, and in more than just the threads that the trolls don't post in. i can actually have an intellectual conversation about controversial subjects without having to deal with a lot of dren. YAY!

re andrea yates, i don't really feel as though i have enough information to make any sort of opinion. it strikes me as odd that the original verdict was overthrown because an expert witness testified that there had been a similar story on law and order, and that in that episode the jury found the woman guilty. i can see how that testimony could be against the law, thus requiring a retrial.....but it frightens me to think that a jury might have been swayed by that testimony. that television could actually have that sort of effect on that many people. which leads me to a gripe agains the us judicial system. i've been called for jury duty twice -- and both times i did not have to go because of university -- starting first semester, graduate exams. i think it could be interesting to be on a jury and see how that side of things actually works. i keep wondering if people really interpret the law or go on gut feelings.
bunnyb
I got the impression that it would be a silly drunken stories thread although it would be funny to have a drunken confessions thread which you only post in when drunk (or when replying to drunken posts). I think it would have to be taken in same vein as the argument thread, though; sometimes people can be loose-lipped when drunk and inadvertently cause offense (I know I always dread my drunken words to be taken that way).

eta: oh and I agree, tes, with the new lounge - I've posted so much more recently.
pixiedust
Tes, I've served on 3 juries .Thankfully I moved out of that country because they were calling me every 6 month sor so, and I never tried to get out of it because I got paid at work for "doing my civic duty". But that being said, I've heard it said and it's pretty true. A jury is 12 people too stupid or too lazy to think up and excuse to get out.
And my opinion is based on the fact that I had post partum dpression, I've had clinical deprssion, and I've spent lots of time working with people who suffered from a range of mental illnesses, and I don't belive that you should lose personal accountability just because you have a pychotic break. There are consequences to everything, and someone where down the line, before this happened, she knew she needed help and refused to get it. I think there are too many dangerous people walking the streets simply because they played crazy well enough to convince the jury. Very few people have 1 pychotic break, get treatment and never have another mental health problem.
bunnyb
Not doubting your experience pix! smile.gif

I too have been called and served on jury ... twice, and both before I was twenty-two. Expecting another summons. it's a weird experience, I think a lot of it can be instinctual, in your gut if you feel sorry for the victim (if applicable) you are going to be biased but that's nature; i think it would be difficult to be completely impartial.
tesao
hunnybunny, that is why i almost always post drunk in a thread that i know will be kind to me. we aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall say things we shouldn't when we are drunk, or high, or whatever. blink.gif

pixie, darling! when did you leave the states? or were you never IN the states to begin with? gah. i feel so out of it. it's interesting to hear about your being on so many juries, and that quote, which i hadn't heard before. sort of makes you wonder about it really being a jury of your peers. sort of like how black people were judged by juries of exclusively white people for so long. right. jury of their peers. um, that would be a NO.

how do they decide who gets to be the foreperson? are ALL of the jurors in the jury room, including the substitutes? i'm fascinated.

re the psychotic break: i don't think that i have every had one. would i know? i agree that it was obvious that there were problems before she killed her children and that someone should have done something. i also know otherwise reasonable intelligent people who think that therapy is dren. and that there is nothing wrong with THEM, just with everyone else. and that smart people can and do act insane when they aren't. and if you have enough money you get a very different trial than you do if you have none.

whoops. sorry if i am being too depressing.
treehugger
I'm all for a drunk thread. Or even just an "altered reality" thread, which could include all kinds of chemically altered states.

(I type better high than drunk...heh.)

Could we call it something like "the twilight zone.....intelligent and not so intelligent ramblings"??

I suck at thread titles. unsure.gif
pepper
i like the "altered reality" suggestion. that's even a great name for it.

my g-friend just sent this to me.

SUBJECT: NEOLOGISMS

Once again, The Washington Post has published the winning submissions

to its yearly neologism contest, in which readers are asked to supply

alternate meanings for common words.

The winners are:

1. Coffee (n.), the person upon whom one coughs.

2. Flabbergasted (adj.), appalled over how much weight you have gained.

3. Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.

4. Esplanade (v.), to attempt an explanation while drunk.

5. Willy-nilly (adj.), impotent.

6. Negligent (adj.), describes a condition in which you

absentmindedly answer the door in your nightgown.

7. Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp.

8. Gargoyle (n.), Olive-flavored mouthwash.

9. Flatulence (n.) emergency vehicle that picks you up after you are

run over by a steamroller.

10. Balderdash (n.), a rapidly receding hairline.

11. Testicle (n.), a humorous question on an exam.

12. Rectitude (n.), the formal, dignified bearing adopted by Proctologists.

13. Pokemon (n), a Rastafarian proctologist.

14. Oyster (n.), a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.

15. Frisbeetarianism (n.), (back by popular demand): The belief

that, when you die, your Soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck

there.

16. Circumvent (n.), an opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by

Jewish men.



The Washington Post's Style Invitational also asked readers to

take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting,

or changing one letter, and supply a new definition.

Here are this year's winners:

1. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops

bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately,

shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

2. Foreploy (v): Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose

of getting laid.

3. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the

subject financially impotent for an indefinite period.

4. Giraffiti (n): Vandalism spray-painted v ery, very high.

5. Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and

the person who doesn't get it.

6. Inoculatte (v): To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

7. Hipatitis (n): Terminal coolness.

8. Osteopornosis (n): A degenerate disease. (This one got extra Credit.)

9. Karmageddon (n): It's like, when everybody is sending off all

these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and

it's like, a serious bummer.

10 Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day

consuming only things that are good for you.

11. Glibido (v): All talk and no action.

12. Dopeler effect (n): The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter

when they come at you rapidly.

13. Arachnoleptic fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after

you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

14. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito that gets into

your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

15. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a grub

in the fruit you're eating.
pamcakes
My previous messageboarding experiences have had very few rules or ways of doing things and members posted new threads without a moment's hesitation. I now knwo that such things are not done here, so I apologize. I posted a thread about how to have a fun, feminist wedding on the cheap. I suspected other people who post here might have had experiences trying to do the same thing, or might have attended weddings/committment ceremonies with the same goals and might be able to offer me and others some advice. I'm not used to this board format, so there may well be a thread created for this purpose already. If so, please point me in its direction. If not, I hope you'll give a thread on weddings/committment ceremonies consideration.
runningwestward
Hey Pamcakes! Welcome to Bust. (Which reminds me the newbies thread is probably out of butter tarts again... I should stop by with some...) There's a wedding thread in Absolutely Fabulous. I don't have the need (yet) to post in there... but hopefully sometime early in the new year I will.

<Hands quickly clamping over mouth... did I say that out loud?>
altargrrrl
hi pamcakes! thanks for respecting our ideosycratic way of doing things. the wedding thread is here. they love to talk about all that kind of stuff, so go at it.
pamcakes
Thank you so much!! I'm really not familiar with BSS boards and the backwards order of thread content. I keep lurking threads and getting lost.
altargrrrl
actually, we've just switched over to new board software, and the backwards running threads with the newest post on top is a holdover from our old board. that was the only way it could be set up on the old software. we could do it either way here, but so many of us are used to it running this way so they set it up like this on the new software, too. bust was the first board i ever posted on, so when i go to other boards where the oldest post is first, *they* seem weird! smile.gif
pixiedust
Tes, I misspelled county. I didn't mean country. The jury foreman is elected by the members of teh jury..it's usually the loudest most outspoken person. I was the foreman on 2 of the 3 juries I served on! On one jury I was the alternate, so i guess technically I got called 4 times...geez..and all that before I was 25! On teh one I was an alternate, I got hear the entire trial, but did not get to go into the jury room. Had soemthing happened to a juror, they would have called me back in.

Pamcakes, welcome and I hope you find your way to the wedding thread. Having just got married myself, I tend to hang out in there a lot.
bunnyb
So, for the drunken thread ... what about "The Night before and the Morning After: for things done and busted when under the influence"? does that suck?

Also, anyone up for restarting the Re-awakening Sleeping Beauty thread? (snafooey, that was your baby if I recall?)

And ... I haven't checked but I have a sneaky suspicion that the Lost thread was ahem lost during the renovation - shall we restart closer to the new season? I was going to post something about Matt and Josh's rivalry but hardly urgent -or jaw-dropping- stuff.

Okay, I'm having s skewiffy day on here - now I have none of the icons up top to change font etc sad.gif.

or it would seem the edit function ... wtf is going on?!!! (honestly, I did that through new reply! I've even tried a different browser but that wouldn't even let me log on!)
raisingirl
QUOTE(pixiedust @ Jul 29 2006, 11:15 PM) *

The jury foreman is elected by the members of teh jury..it's usually the loudest most outspoken person.


Oh Pixie, that's funny you say that. My father is anything but loud and outspoken, and every time he's done jury duty, he ends up being the foreman. I think there's something to be said for calm people being leaders, too. wink.gif

I think the title of the drunken thread could also mention something along the lines of "evidence of last night's indiscretions and transgressions." Maybe?
lucizoe
Heh. I got out of jury duty because I told them I was an atheist and had true issues with the references to a deity in the swearing-in processes, etc. It was a damn quiet room for a moment there. Raised some eyebrows when I told them I read Bitch Magazine, too. I loved growing up in such a tiny-minded community.

Is the drunken thread and its purpose anything that could fit in the Don't Underestimate Drugs' Excellence thread, or would the intent of the thread be different to that one?
pepper
different. i don't take drugs. certainly have in the past and more so in the very past past. but i do drink wine, and type, and make phone calls. so, indescretions and trangsretions of an intoxicated mind would be it's own thang.
lucizoe
But alcohol IS a drug.

I'm not being contentious, I just don't understand the distinction. Something foreign you ingest in one way or another that creates a heightened or altered state of awareness is a drug.
pepper
i don't agree. i think a drink is a drink while a white powder is maude knows what. i don't think i'm taking a particular (immediate) risk with my life by having a glass or two of wine. i don't smoke pot or maybe i'd feel the same way about a joint. but i HAVE taken my fair share of illegal street drugs and i have to say, the situations are in no way parallel for me. i have wine with dinner and occasionally get a little bit silly and write regretful emails. there's no "little bit silly" on E.
sidecar
Well, with booze, I still have the energy to type, as opposed to other substances...

Andrea Yates makes me sad. There is so much that went so wrong in that situation. I kind of think Rusty Yates and her crazy preacher should be the ones in prison while Andrea gets the help she needs.
anoushh
Um, pixie, the definition of being psychotic is basically that you are not able to be responsible for elements of your behavior b/c you are not in touch with reality. Mental illness is a real illness, just like cancer and diabetes. I take great offense at your comments, to be honest.

I'm speaking here as a mental health professional as well as consumer. I think old Rusty should be in prison, too. She did not "refuse" to get help--she was pressured and pushed into having another child when she'd had problems with post-partum depression after her 3rd child--which can lead to postpartum psychosis and is bad enough even in itself--and it was the religious weirdos including her husband that told her "god" didn't want her on the medication and wanted her to keep having children.

A hallmark of depression--and certainly of psychosis--is impaired ability to make good decisions. What was Rusty's excuse?

I'm fed up with this culture's blaming and shaming attitude toward people with mental health problems. You are damned if you get helped and damned if you don't.
punkerplus
I agree with doodle totally that alcohol is a drug, because, well, it is! At the end of the day there isn't any difference between the two and while some illegal drugs are more immediately life threatening, it doesn't somehow put alcohol into the category of "good" drug.

That said, I don't think the drunken transgression would fit within the D.U.D.E thread, because its more about "influenced" ramblings right? Somewhere to post while not quite yourself?

But I only lurk occasionally in the Drugs thread so shoot me down if I am wrong.
doodlebug
What? I didn't say that! Of course, I do agree 100% that alcohol is a drug - it's just a legal and socially acceptable one. But anyway, I wasn't the 1st to say it!

From wikipedia:

Alcohol is a drug, with potential for overdose or toxic poisoning if taken in excessive quantities. Alcoholism, the physiological or psychological dependency on alcohol, is one of the most common drug addictions (caffeine causes chemical dependency, but not the mental longing known as addiction) in the world.
punkerplus
I meant lucizoe.

I'm stoopid. You both have cats as your avatar. Thats enough to confuse anyone! Ok, its enough to confuse me.
bunnyb
Um, the idea of the drunken/under the influence thread is just fun ramblings right that could very much embarrass us the morning after? I think we should treat the thread's intent with the flippancy it deserves but take the seriousness of alcohol as drug debate to the drug thread?

I agree that alcohol is a drug but I do make a distinction; I will moderate my alcohol intake as I have addiction to it in the family so i'm more susceptible but I won't dabble with anything else - legal or illegal, it's just not my glass of wine.
erinjane
QUOTE
Um, pixie, the definition of being psychotic is basically that you are not able to be responsible for elements of your behavior b/c you are not in touch with reality. Mental illness is a real illness, just like cancer and diabetes. I take great offense at your comments, to be honest.

I'm speaking here as a mental health professional as well as consumer. I think old Rusty should be in prison, too. She did not "refuse" to get help--she was pressured and pushed into having another child when she'd had problems with post-partum depression after her 3rd child--which can lead to postpartum psychosis and is bad enough even in itself--and it was the religious weirdos including her husband that told her "god" didn't want her on the medication and wanted her to keep having children.

A hallmark of depression--and certainly of psychosis--is impaired ability to make good decisions. What was Rusty's excuse?

I'm fed up with this culture's blaming and shaming attitude toward people with mental health problems. You are damned if you get helped and damned if you don't.


I agree. I think that a lot of people also forget that there is a big difference between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis.
pixiedust
I guess some of us will have to agree to disagree. Like I said, I have been closely involved in teh mental health profession also. Plus my ex husband and I both suffered sever depression. These things don't just happen overnight. Somewhere along the line, she had to stop and think to herself, I need some help for this, and she didn't get it. That is criminal negligence in my opinion. Plus, I have read a lot of the testimony from her first trial. She should never be allowed out. She killed her kids one by one, by the timew she got to the older ones, they knew what was happening. Her 7 year old fought back violently screaming mommy, don't kill me. That is seriously sick! No amount of medicine is going to fix that. And since I'm entitled to my opinion that is all I'm going to say about it.
girlygirlgag
She is a schizophrenic. There is a big differencee between that and depression. I am not downplaying depression, I know how bad that can be. But psychosis is a whole different ball game.

But she was living in an altered reality, a terrifying one, and yeah, that preacher guy should have his tongue ripped out.
anoushh
There's clearly no point in talking to you about this Pixie, but what you are saying is just not understanding the facts of psychosis. It is not the same as depression, though depression can develop psychotic features. And I just told you that she did try to get help, but was told/forced/pressured to stop taking the meds, to have child she didn't really want, etc, etc.

I guess it's easier to be self-righteous and think "only bad people do bad things--and I'd never do anything bad" than to try to have some understanding. Unless it's about drunk driving.
pixiedust
I'm not trying to be self rightous Annoush. You are clearly misinterpreating my thoughts. I used to work as a rehaiblitation specialists. I dealt with lots of people who had paranoid schizophrenia, post partum depression, ect. Most of these things don't show up overnight and most severly violent cases like this don't just get over it. My thoughts are that mental illness does not take away personal accountability. It certainly won't bring those children back.
dusty
Ultimately, I think she is not going to be let out either way. Ever. I'm just as happy that she has been pronounced not guilty, I think a mental health institution is probably more appropriate for her.

I don't know enough about her husband, except to wonder, when he says that they are friends and that they talk about the kids, how those conversations would go.
anoushh
That's just it--at times mental illness DOES take away personal accountability. That's why there is a legal distinction as well.

It's a damn judgemental attitude, I still say.
pixiedust
Whatever annoush. Clearly, if I don't see things your way I am self rightous and judgemental. I was giving my opinion and my reasoning behind my opinion. I do not see why you are getting in such a twist about this. I am not the only person in America who has this opinion, so please stop jumping on me. I've been on the other side of the gun, and I don't care how "mentally ill" he was!
falljackets
blink.gif

is this a bad time to ask for the community's thoughts on the re-creation of an old thread that was lost in the transition? (or at least not that i've been able to find)

i realize that "childfree, not by choice" never really got a lot of action, but would anyone object to my bringing it back? i'm dealing with this and i know there were a few more BUSTies out there dealing with the same thing.

i know i could go to the countless baby-related forums out there on the interweb but frankly, they're filled with idiots. i need BUSTie love.

what say you all?



pixiedust
I don't see any reason not to resurrect it. I'm not technically "childless", but I know that some of the TTC issues just don't fit in with the people discussing thier pregancies in the pregnancy thread.
psychicfemme
There really is no reason to deny a new thread that is not duplicative of one already in existence. Bogus threads are easy to identify and remove. Unpopular ones will go the way of the dinosaur. Otherwise, there's noone in here who can presume to speak for the community or has the authority to deny your thread. So please feel free to add your thread. smile.gif
yuefie
Hey FJ, I was just looking to see if it was still around. I think it's a good idea too.
girlygirlgag
QUOTE(falljackets @ Jul 31 2006, 08:47 PM) *

blink.gif

is this a bad time to ask for the community's thoughts on the re-creation of an old thread that was lost in the transition? (or at least not that i've been able to find)

i realize that "childfree, not by choice" never really got a lot of action, but would anyone object to my bringing it back? i'm dealing with this and i know there were a few more BUSTies out there dealing with the same thing.

i know i could go to the countless baby-related forums out there on the interweb but frankly, they're filled with idiots. i need BUSTie love.

what say you all?



Bring it back.
falljackets
thanks, m'dears.

that will give me something to do at home tonight. i have some mind-purging to be done.
girlygirlgag
QUOTE(falljackets @ Jul 31 2006, 09:23 PM) *

thanks, m'dears.

that will give me something to do at home tonight. i have some mind-purging to be done.



((((((fj)))))))

I am sorry this has been so hard for you. I hate to sound like the cheesy, eternal optimist, but don't give up on your dream.
tesao
my 10 centavos worth:

1) bring back childless, not by choice. i'm in.

2) i like the idea of a thread which is purely playful, to be posted in when we are in "altered realities" -- then and only then. and i think that the name of the thread should be, quite simply: Altered Realities. that includes any substance which can affect the way that you perceive things. that includes alcohol and exstasy (MDMA) as well as weed and a countless host of other things. no need to specify WHAT is altering your reality. it reminds me of this crazy game that we used to try to play when stoned, called ZOOM. i STILL don't understand the rules. it involves saying bizarre words like zoom and figliano to people who must then either respond directly to you or say something else to another in the crowd. no one ever won this game, because no one could ever keep the rules straight.

just my opinion.

discussions about specific topics, such as andrea yates, should be taken elsewhere. the community forum isn't really the correct venue for this sort of debate.

i think i may go to bed, now. hugs and kisses!
punkerplus
Did we have a computer problems thread? If so, where is it? If its died, can I restart it?
dynamitedamsel
My 5 cent opinion:

We should definately bring back childffee, not by choice, I wasn't here when the first one was around so I think it would be great. Also, do we have a childfree, by choice thread? Ummm...I don't think we already have one, so what do you think about having a thred discussing popular reads?
turbojenn
dynamite - the "childfree not by choice" has been re-booted, and is living in the Our Bodies, Our Hells section. "Childfree by Choice" is going strong over in Friends and Family, and we've got "Looks like we've got ourselves a reader" for book discussion over in Media Whores.

enjoy!
dynamitedamsel
QUOTE(turbojenn @ Aug 1 2006, 01:57 PM) *

dynamite - the "childfree not by choice" has been re-booted, and is living in the Our Bodies, Our Hells section. "Childfree by Choice" is going strong over in Friends and Family, and we've got "Looks like we've got ourselves a reader" for book discussion over in Media Whores.

enjoy!



Thanks so much, I'm still kind of new here and have'nt got a good chance to check things out, you to girly gag.
raisingirl
QUOTE(punkerplus @ Aug 1 2006, 10:34 AM) *

Did we have a computer problems thread? If so, where is it? If its died, can I restart it?


I don't remember where it was (I think maybe ATWT?), but in the meantime, maybe you could ask in BUST General Knowledge Base?

ETA: Turbo and GGG, you beat me to it!
angelle321
Is there a thread anywhere for the pre-menstrual crazies? The over-sensitivity, mood swings, sadness, sluggishness, puffyness, "Oh my god I'm faaaat!", I hate everyone/me/you feelings, I'm a big old loser and no one likes me time to eat worms.

Cause, um, I think I would like such a thread. Dealing with it, somewhere to write about it, tips on making it easier, and, if nothing else, people who know what it's like.
tyger
mando, i'm sure there used to be one, and i'd be totally for starting it up again.
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