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curioushair
Has anyone here ever colored her hair black without it going too inky and dense? My hair is naturally very dark, but it has a lot of red in it, so usually I color it a dark ash brown to counteract it. But the color is really never dark enough for me, and when I have colored my hair black in the past, it was a Sharpie marker, blue-black goth nightmare.
freckleface2727
curioushair
black is the one color I absolutely cannot do so I can't help you. I really admire women who can though, bc on the right person I think it is so amazing looking and wish you much luck.

maimy-
pictures? hard as I try, I cannot "see" what you described bc apparently I am as inept w/ my visual imagination as I am w/ styling skills. anything Change on either front? a pretty girl should never have to "drum up" an excuse to get dressed up and go out!

my own hair, eyyy, making a sort of peace w/ it and using the color enhancing red shampoo I got from sally's.......am going to also apply the henna conditioner I bought in germany ( & had friends there send back for awhile) w/ a rat tail comb and let it sit...maybe blow dry it a bit to do that much more... it was what I used to do sometimes on my roots when I was copper shaded and as a touch up it worked pretty well.
I'm just not up for the idea of re-coloring it again, esp not darker to lighter, too much upkeep!
kickitkickitkickit
Straight or in a pony tail. I hate curling/crimps. So annoying to re-straighten.
ginger_kitty
curioushair, maybe try black with subtle highlights to give it more depth?

I have done this crazy two tone blonde on top my natural red underneath style for a while. But I am tired of it and trying to figure out how to change it without being drastic. I don't want to go all blonde, but I have fair skin and don't want to go too dark.
maimy
Curious, there are two possible solutions I could recommend (have done both of these things, and in fact use the latter all the time):

1)
Choose the darkest shade of brown in the brand you most prefer. I used to use Nice-n-Easy 121 Natural Deep Brown, and it was a very blue-brown shade which actually went pretty black on me.


2)
This one works best on shoulder length or longer hair.

Choose a "medium" brown (N-n-E's is pretty dark, I feel, without being black at all) and buy two packages. Open both at once, and pour the entire dye packet into the applicator bottle - then ALSO add whatever amount of dye from the second package will fit in with the original mixture. I find there is always room for about 1/5 of the second dye bottle.

Shake carefully, because there's less room for the elements to mix than usual, but there's more actual dye. Apply liberally to the roots and first several inches of hair. Wait at *least* 45 minutes, for the darkest application.

Apply the second bottle of dye through to the ends, adding shampoo to the mixture to cut it even further. (There will be no dividing line of lighter/darker color; I've been doing this for years and never once had a spotty application). Leave 10-20 minutes tops. Rinse.

The latter method was taught to me by my stylist, and I have been told by several professionals I have the best at-home dye jobs they have ever seen. The advantage is (a) it damages the ends of less by concentrating the stress of processing at the strongest point of the hair, close to the roots where it is newest, and (cool.gif it colors the hair in the most naturalistic way, darkest at the roots and lighter down the shaft. So you can actually go pretty dark near the roots and not look too magic-marker-tip, because there is graduated color; it's not the same shade all the way up and down. This cuts a black-black shade VERY well, and if you have very-dark close to your face, there are still less-dark tones to mediate the effect.



Freckle, I don't have photos, but if I ever see kog3100 again, I will try to provide some. Heh - after a suitable period of radio silence ...

What I was describing was what you'd do for a regular bun, twisting the hair into a rope and then twirling the rope around and around - but in this case, rotating it only one time and leaving the curled ends unpinned. The curls actually come over the twist of the bun and hide it in my case (I have damned long hair ...), and I ended up with a very cute set of ringlets that almost looked like those high ponytail hairdos you saw in the 50s, like Mrs. Kramden from Moonlighting or a Teenybopper with a short ponytail.
freckleface2727
maimy-

NOW I get it and yah- sounds very cute!

but I have a feeling you could rock just about any style just on personality alone smile.gif


my henna-conditioner affect worked but was very sublte,, so I'm going to do it again tomorrow using a dye applying brush and let it stay on for a long long time, maybe some w/ the blow dryer/saran wrap if I get bored.
I think I am going to aim for wider more dense streaks of darkish red.
the new color has a lot of depth and highlights to it already, lot of gold to darker goldy brown w/ a hint of red to it too, maybe Tonal is the best word to describe it so I think a bit of shock here & there will look really good if I can get it to take more.

and next time I am feeling uber ambitious and up to it, I am going to print out your instructions for coloring at home maimy. -made a Lot of sense. Thankyou!!
bustygirl
I need to do my roots, bad, but I always forget.

I'm going to have my sideswept bangs razor cut eyeball-length soon, and am considering tossing in a fistful of blonde somewhere. My piecey bob is growing out a little more, and I will eventually go back to longer hair, but nothing like the hair farm I have in my avatar.

My new stylist knows how to work with really thick hair, which mainly means you have to cut the hell out of it, dry it, and cut the hell out of it some more.
curioushair
Maimy - Do Clairol's shades run a bit cooler than L'oreal's? I think my problem might not be shade depth as much as it's tone. Most browns go a little orange on me, even the "neutral" or "natural" ones. What if I just leave the dark ash brown for a little longer? I went to their page. They have more than one shade of black. Usually, the stores in my neighborhood only carry one shade of black and it's the darkest one.

And another thing, I played with the eye-color/skin-color shade suggester, and my mutt-like heritage doesn't fit: no place for dark-eyed, dark-haired, but pale-skinned girls.
mornington
*delurk*
freckle, i was taught to mix ground coffee, red wine and - if you can cope with the smell - egg white with henna. stinks to high heaven but works well with the colours, strengthening it, and seems to make it last longer.

ok... bleaching blonde. yay? nay? shudder in fear? i'm sticking with the super-short 'do, but was thinking of bleaching platinum-whitey blonde for late spring. i'm fair-haired anyway (light ashy/dark mouse blonde) but i've never done more than highlight. I'm slightly worried over it drying my hair out.
maimy
Curious, I have never used L'oreal, so I am not sure - but I do think their in-store swatches are pretty true-to-color, if you find a store that has 'em. And their box photos are probably very close too, though I find I have more highlights and texture than the brunette shades seem to be able to show on the boxes. However, if it helps, I am dark haired, medium-brown eyes, and very pale olive skinned, and #118 is perfect on me. If you like, I'd be glad to share a clear photo for comparison. (The avatar is me in a black/burgundy wig, so NOT indicative!) Feel free to PM me.

Freckle, luv - thank you!! *Booby-squishin' hugs*
sybarite
Curious, fwiw, I use L'Oreal's semi-perm (Casting, I think) in a nice dark brown that has stayed relatively 'cool'. It's called Jamaica, if that's any help and you're looking for a semi-perm...

Mornington, super short hair is the best kind to experiment with, as it is relatively healthy and you won't have to wait forever for it to grow out. It will dry your hair a bit, certainly, but just condition the hell out of it afterwards, avoid blowdrying (easy with short hair) and don't dye over it.
bustygirl
I got my bangs cut! It looks sooooo much better. I feel like I look younger, too.

Think the chick from the Divinyls, but a little less blunt. I'll have pictures at some point.
freckleface2727
bustygirl I bet you look fabulous! congrats!!


damnit- I have roots again! mad.gif

apparently, I didn't go dark enough bc it looks, I'm just going to admit it here, at least 2 shades darker towards almost a walnut. how can that be? I've always had light brown/reddish brown hair!

back to the clarifying shampoo for a few days again and then I will find a darker shade and start all over again, and Then go to using the henna shampoo from sally's. =grumble grumble grrrrr==
tyger
i trimmed my hair today. i loved how it was growing out in front, but in back i ended up with the growing out boy hair look (an inch longer than i'd like at the nape of my neck). so i cut the bottom layer and trimmed my bangs, and am now dyeing over the pink and blue stripes with purple(?i hope. i mixed up some pink and blue and hoped for the best! tongue.gif)
treehugger
I'm just wondering if anybody here's ever used Jerome Russell "Bwild!!" color spray? It looks really intense and I'm wondering if it really washes out in one shampoo?

I picked up Bengal Blue, and Panther Purple. Here's a link, albeit an ugly one...

http://www.jeromerussell.com/
LoveMyPugs
I know I haven't been in this thread before so let me introduce myself. I'm LoveMyPugs or just Pugs. I have dark brown shoulder length hair. Dark eyes and medium fair skin. I don't wear makeup and I'm definately not trendy (not that trendy is bad or anything). Once a stylist told me that I really shouldn't go with a funky colored hair if I don't wear makeup. Is this true? These are not pictures of me just pictures of the hair color I'm thinking about. I'd really like to do something crazy like bright red or purple or this purple. I'm not working right now so I think if I was going to do it now would be the best time. But the thing that scares me is for example this chick needs makeup to pull this hairstyle off right? Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, my hair is VERY HEALTHY. Is this going to damage it beyond belief? What if I have a professional do it? Some many questions here...
tyger
pugs, right now my bangs are purple, and i wear makeup about half the time-ish and it looks great. what you need is to be confident. as in 'i am cute and sassy and my randomly coloured hair is rather faboo, thank you very much' attitude. and you sure seem cute and sassy, so i bet you can pull it off.
i'd honestly say go for a blue if you're fair and your hair is dark brown (though it can fade to odd greenish colours, but if you have it done professionally i bet it would last and look killer.), but purple or red would look great, too. oooh, if it's a coolish brown, you should go for a more blue-ey purple. it would be hot-tastic
bustygirl
freckle-- I don't know about you, but my hair has gotten darker as I've gotten older. It used to be medium reddish brown, and now you can hardly tell where my roots end and my dyed black hair starts.
ginger_kitty
pugs, I have had my hair about every color of the rainbow over the years and I rarely wear makeup. Anyway, do you normally or have you ever dyed you own hair? If not I would probably go to a professional since you have dark brown hair and you will have to lighten it. This:

http://www.sallybeauty.com/shop/1462/484200 is the bleach kit I always use when I lighten my hair. It's easy to use and works great! Other kits I have tried were drying. Just remember to condition like mad! Have fun with your hair, you only live once!
LoveMyPugs
ginger -

I've dyed my hair plenty of times in the past at home with a friend but if I decided to do something drastic I'd definately go to a professional. I have a lot of professional hair stylist friends as well who would be happy to dye it for me.

Thanks for the advice,

Pugs
turbojenn
Hey Pugs - I just re-uploaded my blinged out hair from last year, if you want to see what mine looked like. I still miss it. *sigh* But with dark brown hair, it was really too expensive for me to maintain for very long. A bit of flash & sizzle!
_octinoxate
turbo, that's purrrrrty!!! I like it.

I just found some brown-black hair dye in a box in my closet, and I think I'm gonna use it up. (Uh, is that safe? Is there an expiration time for hair products like that?)
bustygirl
My avatar now has my new bangs in it. I read something somewhere recently that long bangs are coming into vogue. Who knew? Looks like everyone will be picking hair out of their eyeballs, too. wink.gif

I need time to dye my roots soon, because soon they'll be so long they'll be a miniseries starring Levar Burton.
anonymoose96
has anyone here tried using coffee or rosehip tea rinses (or other natural dyes) to make hair redder? Has anyone had any luck?
stephanie_erin
i have fairly dark blonde hair, and i'm incredibly pale. i'm not into make- up other than a little eye liner, and i don't have facial jewelry or anything like that. any suggestions for a color?
culturehandy
I'd love to be able to wear long, whispy bangs. I look like a prat with bangs.
tankgirl
pugs...

iknow your post was from half a month ago but i never read this thread and i just found it. i NEVER absolutely NEVER have worn makeup and have had every color hair under and over the rainbow, and i look good with brightly colored hair. i dont think only girls who wear a lot of makeup can pull it off. i think natural girls can pull it off as well, just as long as you pick the right color. if i find some links ill post em.
anonymoose96
QUOTE(blanchedeveraux @ Mar 7 2007, 03:04 PM) *

anonymoose96,
I have used a color-depositing shampoo and conditioner made by Jason - it was nice. Comparatively inexpensive, too.
http://www.jason-natural.com/products/color_enhancing.php



How long did it take for you to really notice a difference?
Is it natural looking? I used to love dying my hair and whatever color it turned was fine (stop sign red on accident once! I loved it!) but since I have a real job now I have to keep it toned down a bit. Plus I'm a natural redhead, just not as brightly colored as when i was a kid. If I have somethign subtle I won't get people asking if I dyed my hair lol.
freckleface2727
ok I did it.

I Couldn't Stand It anymore, the g r a d u a l waiting for my real hair to emerge.

I used Loreal's Natural Match in 5R Medium Reddish Chestnut and while it is Shockingly dark, I love it!

my hair , or the Top Layers of my hair I should say,, was a sort of light coppery color still, quite a bit of blond from the red lightening shampoo from sally's I had used for so long.. so it turned out an intense sort of cherry-coke dark red.
natural looking? eyyyyyyy, and my eyebrows still don't match (damnit) but I know that after a few washes it'll lighten up to better, but again, bc it's SO Dark and different, I'm lovin' it!

I look like the bride of dracula now, makes my skin look 6 shades whiter and even my freckles look pale, but my light blue eyes pop now and using rimmel's grape sorbet gloss on my lips (killer color, available in polish too) and I look almost spookily ethereal.
it's opened up a whole new color group that I can wear now that I never knew about before.

I don't wanna wash my hair now, eva! biggrin.gif

so much for me being done coloring my hair !
maimy
Freckle, it sounds smoldering hot. Makes me want to bat my eyelashes at you, it does.

*And now I want my hair to look like vampiric Cherry Coke ...*
freckleface2727
awwww Shuck maimy... ya made me blush all pink & stuff tongue.gif thank you.

I found an ENORMOUS sunhat at the mall (where I never ever ever go normally) that I am thinking I might have to go back to get, to help maintain my healthy palor & keep the color from fading.. it's SO BIG tho, that it felt like I was wearning a somebrero and I felt sorta silly ( & I am one who wears hats regularly), but come to think of it, doesn't that mean Sun Hat?

what is the best way to avoid sun fading of color? I plan on being outside quite a bit for a change this summer, and w/ my old coppery color fading wasn't an issue as the blond just sort of brightened it, but This, totally different.
I know there are spray on treatments, yes?
maimy
Blanche, bangs seem to be longer this year, but here we have me with slightly shorter blunt ones ...

Oy. I was about to go to my Flickr account and upload some old pics, and apparently Flickr is merging with Yahoo. Which is fine for them, I guess, but I don't have time to start a whole new account right now. It's ten o'clock, too late in the day for such an accomplishment.

Back tomorrow night probably. My apologies, hon!
octobersky
Freckle, I've used Paul Mitchell SPF spray last summer and it worked pretty well. I was in my
pool alot and it seemed to keep my color stable. I really like those "Gilligan" style hats for
keeping the sun off my face, you can crumple them up, wash them whatever you want.
Usually Target has a few options every summer.
bunnyb
bump for freckle
freckleface7
thank you bunnyb !!


going to do something possibly majorly drastic tomorrow... going back to my amazing Korean Vidal Sasson stylist that I never ever should have left in the first place.
when I took frecklette there last week (cut about 6 inches of her long curly locks into a short crop of wild cork screws and she looks AMAZING) I admitted I'd been unfaithful to her and begged her forgiveness.
she's so totally gounded and no nonsense; if she thinks your idea of what you want would be ridiculous on you she lets you know, but at the same time suggesting a modified style in the same concept so you don't feel stoopid.

my current color is somewhere in the vicinity of a highlighted sandy blondy brown.. w/ some definate red here and there as under colors.. and it looks nice, I know this, and the legnth is good too, a just above the shoulder bob, but I miss being red.. really Really miss it, and w/ the humidity & heat coming I know I need to go ahead and get a few inches cut bc I'm going to start itching soon.

so....

she said something about color Chunking? does anyone know a better defination or example other than the wee bit I've found online?
I'm really kind of leaning towards a truer, brighter orangy red w/ lite maybe even platinum blonde high lights in thick streaks.
I did a highlight kit on my hair at home and the parts right around my face turned out super super light, like platinum and who knew I could rock that shade like that? I forgot that I could do blonde it's been so long.

and yah, so much for me wanting to go "natural" ey? rolleyes.gif

I wish I could take all of ya's to the salon w/ me tomorrow!
freckleface7
holy shit I look like brittany spears.

no I am Not Kidding either!
brittany in her platinum blond bobbed wig.. only put in some light copper-honey stripes in between.. which is actually the base color right underneath the top layers, but ALL around my face is ash-platinum.

I'm a little tripped out right now.. I like it, but it's so drastic I keep scaring myself every time I catch a glimpse of myself in anything reflective.

the mr (gone again temporarily) is going to WIG.
think I am going to snap a pic w/ my camera phone and title it " oops I did it again" bc truer words have never been spoken.

oh vey.
divaintraining
I just got it cut shoulder length like sandra bullocks new cut and i love it - i wear it straight!
troubadours
i wear my hair with a lot of layers. although it's been a while since i've gotten a proper cut, so they've grown out a bit so it's mostly just long.

Lesbajew
I love my short(purple) hair, but sometimes I want to spice it up a little! It's about mid-neck length, and I'm think about getting a stylish haircut. I'll get some pictures soon.

Any suggestions on cute cuts/ ways to make my hair more exciting?
pollystyrene
(cross-posted in the "where can i find...?" thread)

Please forgive me ladies, I confess it's been several months since my last haircut...and nearly a year since I had a "professional" one. However, my dear grandmother has taken pity upon me and volunteered to pay for me to get a color and cut at the place she goes to. It's not too old lady-ish, so I'm taking her up on it. I want to do *something* with my hair, but I never know what looks good and I don't trust the new person so much to just leave the decisions up to her.

Does anyone know of a good hairstyle site that doesn't have a million pictures of celebrities, just pictures of normal people with normal (but not boring) haircuts?

ETA: I found a decent one on Good Housekeeping, of all places, and it's celebrity pictures, but I kinda like Elizabeth Hurley's hair in the picture (click the link, go to the 4th picture- sorry, couldn't post it directly.) I don't have the time or talent to make it look like that, at least not every day, but I think it's the right number of layers for my hair and with the right humidity, I'm hoping it will just look like that without effort.

My problem is that i don't like to use product in my hair because I don't wash it every day and don't want a couple days worth of build up in my hair and on my pillow. I only use product on special occasions and when the stylist puts it in when I get my hair cut.
mornington
*bump* for pugs!
snow white
i've been thinking about getting extentions, my hair is really thick though. would it look too fake? anyone know how long they last?
ananke
I don't know if I want to grow my hair out or get some long bangs - argh! I just decided that I'm not going to get a short bob or cut all my hair off! I don't need another 'dilemma'...
zoya
please see above, I tried to post link and it wouldn't work....
zoya
ok, because I couldn't get the damn post link to work....

snow white - here's my post from last Dec re: my hair extensions...


QUOTE(zoya @ Dec 19 2006, 09:14 AM) *
hi all -

I havent' been in this thread for awhile, but I just hopped in and saw the discussion about extensions...

I have had extensions on and off for the last few years (I have a couple friends who do them, so I'm lucky - I get to be their guinea pig for new techniques and stuff)

I have a friend who worked at Hair Police for awhile, and learned the pinch braid technique. Those were the first kind I had, she would put them in as streaks in my hair just to add to it. They work well, but if your hair grows fast like mine does, the braids start to show within a matter of a couple weeks. As far as showing when you pull your hair up, if you have a person who is really well versed at it, they'll just do like every other layer and when you pull your hair up, the un-pinch-braided layers will hide the pinch braids.

for the last 6 months, I had full-on, glued in, human hair extensions. I had a friend who was learning to do extensions and she did them for a HUGE discount per hour, and all I had to do was buy the hair. I went top of the line with the hair - it cost me damn near $250 just for the hair (and that was buying it at a supply house that sells to the industry) but it was worth every penny. I bought 18-inch long untreated human hair on 5 foot wefts. The technique my friend did is "adhesive based fusion" it involved taking small (really small!) sections of my hair, pulling it through little shield, laying a small bundle of the extension hair next to it, putting some adhesive on to fuse them together, then using a hot tool to melt the adhesive and fuse my hair and the extension hair together.

Here's a link where you can see the little sheild (the round plastic thing) that she used to pull the sections of my hair through to separate them in order to fuse the extension hair on them. to the left of that on the page is the hot tool that fuses the adhesive to the hair.
http://www.visionhairextensions.com/Accessories.htm

It took about 6 hours to do my whole head. Something you need to consider is not only should the person who does your extensions be good at them, but they, or another stylist in the salon should be well versed in how to cut your hair after the extensions are in to blend everything. That is the real secret in making them look real. They have to be layered into your own hair so they don't look "wiggy"

The girl who cut my hair is a total pro at cutting extensions - I went from about 2-inches-below-the-shoulders hair to hair that was about 3 inches below my bra strap, and you seriously could not tell that they were extensions. I had other hairdressers that i know just freaking out at how real they were.

I found that the glue kind were much better than any other kind I'd had. The glue she used had a lot of keratin in it (to replicate the hair) and while - yes, it does cause some damage, - the damage it did was remarkably small.

I was able to color my hair while I had them in, curl it, wash it, dry it, whatever - just like my own hair, with no problem. THe only thing you have to be careful of is to use specific products that are recommended by the extension person, as some ingredients in certain products can break down the glue quicker. Also, if you use a straightening iron, you need to be really careful you don't go over the areas where glue is.

to get them out is super easy, too. you could get them out yourself, but it's probably easier to have the stylist do it. They use acetone. it just dissolves the glue into a powder and they comb the extensions right out. Then a super condition of your hair and voila!

I had no regrets in doing extensions. I would have kept them in longer, except I do a lot of travelling, and it got tough to maintain them. You have to go in every couple of months and get any that are slipping a little replaced, things like that. You're inevitably going to lose some pieces here and there so those need to be replaced, too.

my biggest recommendation is that if you are going to go balls out and get them, save up and go completely top of the line. Find someone who is really reputable to do them and also buy your own hair. you can buy it online - there are bunches of places. That will help save some money. Get REAL human hair, and don't skimp! Synthetic will look like crap after the first washing or two, (I know, I've had it, and I wasn't being careless in the upkeep) And don't skimp on the quality of the real hair. if you look around online, you'll see that there are several different levels of real hair quality. Go top of the line. You won't regret it.

so that's about it. They're fun. I loved mine. They add great length and tons of thickness to your hair. I'll probably do it again at some point, but while I had mine in, my hair grew nearly 4 inches, so it's almost there anyway, length-wise!

hope this helps..

snow white
omg zoya, that does help. i live in a small town here in central new york so i know i'm going to be doing some shopping around until i find a decent place. one near-by salon charges $300 for extentions, i have no idea if they use real hair or if they use that glueing technique. now i know what to ask anyway.

i guess my real hair is fine but i've always wanted those long sexy locks. my hair is also about 2 inches below my shoulders. i think it would change my look dramatically. i'm super excited although i know it's a total splurge.

ps> where do you get your hair extentions?
knorl05
i used to do my own extensions just for more fullness when my hair was real short and black. i used the glue. it was a pain in the ass to pull out of my hair.. i've always wanted professional ones done, like whole head, but they're way too expensive for me.. : (
LoveMyPugs
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snow white
QUOTE(knorl05 @ Sep 23 2007, 10:58 PM) *
i've always wanted professional ones done, like whole head, but they're way too expensive for me.. : (


i know, i'm really wondering if it would be worth it... ah! dilemma
freckleface7
= bump=

made an appointment to go back to my wonderful Korean stylist on Sat.
have been putting it off bc A) I have no idea what I want to do w/ my hair color wise, and B ) I KNOW she's going to fuss at me that I've been this long w/out at least another cut.

the color blocking (that freaked me out so much initally bc it was platinum/auburn, which it took a few days to love) has really fried my hair. I have several inches of growth now but am not sure what my options will be that can either undo or not make it worse.
I grew to love the platinum enough to consider it for all over, but it is where the hair is driest and w/ the upkeep, not for me for sure.
the cut (3-4 inches) will be a sharp undercut bob, probably right at or slightly below and angled towards my chin.
her cuts are always fantastic, so maybe it'll look good enough the color won't be such an issue?

will let you all know how it goes.

snow white, how did your extensions work out?
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