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jewelscando
LOL, JEWEL'S NEVER TOOK BIRTH CONTROL!! That's funny. Well, just cause I have 4 kids doesn't mean I didn't take B.C. I was on B.C. for a couple of years in between children. My children are spread apart, 19, 17, 13 and 7. So, I had to do something in between those times silly girls!! wink.gif But, my problems didn't start til after the Hysterectomy. The last time I took B.C was before my last son was born which was 13 yrs ago. My B.V. came on about 4 yrs ago or so. Neverending, where did you get your suppositories??

OH BY THE WAY!!!! Did the HP Wash last night. Laid on the ground with towels under me. Used a medicine dropper. Slowly poored it in. Repeated about 3 times, then let it sit there for about 5 minutes. It was bubbling like crazy. Didn't Burn per say, but I could feel it working. Anyways, when I got up, I sat on the toilet, and ALL KINDS OF GRAYISH WHITE discharge started pooring out of me. So, I repeated the HP Wash a second time.

HAD SEX THIS AFTERNOON, AND NO SMELL!! NONE WHAT SO EVER!!

Going to repeat the wash again tonight. I will keep you all posted!!!
shendy
neverending - that's a really interesting hypothesis (birth control lowers estrogen which causes the environment to let natural bacteria overgrow), do you think going off birth control for a while until levels balanced out would be effective (not trying to make you into a doctor, something to bring up with obgyn and I would like to know your thoughts)?


Also, does anyone find that using hydrogen peroxide leads to irritation and dryness? I haven't tried this but I can't imagine it wouldn't be really irritating - it's such a sensitive area!
Eralc Alegna
QUOTE(shendy @ Jan 7 2007, 08:37 PM) *

neverending - that's a really interesting hypothesis (birth control lowers estrogen which causes the environment to let natural bacteria overgrow), do you think going off birth control for a while until levels balanced out would be effective (not trying to make you into a doctor, something to bring up with obgyn and I would like to know your thoughts)?
Also, does anyone find that using hydrogen peroxide leads to irritation and dryness? I haven't tried this but I can't imagine it wouldn't be really irritating - it's such a sensitive area!


I haven't used hormonal birth control in about 4-5 years, so sad as it may be I'm going to say no. Not anytime soon anyway.

And the HP didn't irritate anymore than the BV itself does. My dryness is all external and came before the HP use. Plus I've tried it a couple different ways and not had much success except for about 24 hours after the very first time. I'm going to give it another go though. It'll be a while before I can get into stirrups again. dry.gif
shendy
[quote name='Eralc Alegna' date='Jan 7 2007, 10:11 PM' post='126912']
I haven't used hormonal birth control in about 4-5 years, so sad as it may be I'm going to say no. Not anytime soon anyway.

Sigh, well it was a nice thought. Since I noticed no difference when I switched birth controls a few months go I was skeptical, but I will grasp at whatever straws I can find. I'm feeling pretty good right now but my antibiotics are done in 3 days and I'm a little scared to have sex when I'm not on them. I'm hoping that using condoms with my boyfriend will help keep the pH normal and allow me to keep healing but I may be setting myself up for another episode.
neverending
Shendy: You are correct! A higher PH allow the bacteria to grow and be very careful having unprotected sex because a vagina that is not acidic will leave you open to HIV and other STD'S.
I ALSO FOUND THis:
A healthy vagina is normally about pH 4.2
Birth control pills raise the pH of the vagina which makes it less acidic
I can't tell you whether or not to stop birth control but I did and then I had to deal with this for almost 5 damn years.
Hormonal vaginitis can be treated by replenishing the vaginal tissue with intrvaginal estrogen. This will increase lubrication, elasticity, and thickness of the vaginal epithelium as well as restore the vaginal flora. Estriol can be compounded in to a cream or suppositories. A typical regimen would be to insert a 1mg estriol suppository before bed every night for 2 weeks as a loading dose to restore the vaginal tissue. After the loading dose a women could insert one before bed 2-3 times a week as a maintenance dose.

jewelscando: Sorry to put you on blast! This is where I bought them:http://www.helenpensanti.com/products.asp?dept=116
I bought the 2mg of estroil(plant kind) and they came in three days. If you don't want to buy them there just type in estroil suppositories in google and look there.
Eralc Alegna
QUOTE(neverending @ Jan 6 2007, 05:53 PM) *

My skin is getting back to normal now that I used the suppositories.My face was horrible after I stopped the birth control.I had blemishes and huge bumps the size of a dime.


My god! They're huge! I might just jump into the estroil thing just to get these zits off my face. Deep deep painful swollen HUGE zits. How long did it take before your skin cleared up? Seriously, I get depressed about having "the rot" as I affectionatly call it but now I can't even look in a mirror without wanting to cry. I wish I could call into work for this.

Did you research the estroil much before you bought it? Like I said before I'm afraid to throw things more out of whack if I do this on my own. Are there serious side effects to using this unnecessarily or incorrectly?
pianogirl
[quote name='chachaheels' date='Jan 6 2007, 07:12 PM' post='126731']
Really. My tone is discouraging? So what? If you really did care about your health, you'd take the information you got no matter what tone it's given in. I'd rather have correct information from someone who has a clue than incorrect information any day.

I "get" that people don't have a lot of money, but I also know alternative doctors are not all the same, not all forms of alternative treatments cost the same, and almost every single alternative medical doc I've ever met is ready and willing to make accomodations for those who don't have as much money. In fact, the only ones I've met not willing to do this have been conventional MDs who've decided to "cash in" on the effectiveness and attractiveness of alternatives, which is something they know makes them more "marketable". They are out there, but you don't have to choose to work with them.

As for costs, ALL medical treatments cost. If you can go to a doctor who just keeps prescribing you the same anti-biotic over and over again, and charges you each time you go and get no results yet get the same scrip, which also costs a lot of money, then you can pay for an alternative medical practitioner who is qualified and capable and probably save a boatload of money. In any case, you can either prioritize your health care over other expenses that are not as important and do something about it, take your choice of the treatments that are out there to help yourself, or you can keep making excuses and whine about how nothing cures you overnight. And blame others who tell you this, truthful as it is, at the same time. Your choice.



I have been to holistic and alternative doctors and I know for sure it is a scam....I think you should stop encouraging us to waste our cash on your practice b/c I know first hand it is a waste of $$$...just like enzara, jamu stick etc.. all know we are desperate and are trying to suck cash out of us...

You really dont know everything..if "facts are facts" then my holistic docs would have cured me instead of charging me $30 for vitamins that I could find in a health food store for $15..I assume your comment to this would be not all holistic doctors are the same....

I think you should keep your criticism to yourself...you are not God..



Hi Ladies,

I did call that specialist and her rate was $1,120...anyway I have purchased the estroil which I plan on using after my period which is supposed to come sometime this week. This HP wash is very interesting I would definately like to give it a shot...I was amazed that it was mentioned that one of you "felt it working" thats great!

I hope we are on the right track...I remember when one of you ladies suggested the boric and that is a great remedy for keeping things at bay....I havent had oral because I fear the boric harming my bf but maybe with the HP I won't have to worry so much.. smile.gif

Anyway talk to you soon

PG
D double U
Yeah Cha Cha. We are all suffering women on here and for you to come on here with an attitude like that, did u really think anyone would listen to you? A different approach would trigger a different response. U knew the way u came at us was bs, especially to jewels. That was so immature! U basically wasted your time. I would hate for u to be my doctor.
herekittykitty
GOOD MORNING, LADIES! Lots of activity on this board I see!

Jewels - I'm glad the HP is working for you so far!...it's hard to say whether this will last for any of us, but I think that in conjuction with a healthy diet (including no CIGS ladies!), taking vitamins and supplements, exercising regularly and taking care of your vagina the right way (eg: no thongs, no bathes, no douches..) the HP may certainly work for SOME of us. Unfortunatley not all..but some.

It's been probably 13 days or so into my HP wash and I'm doing very well. NO SMELL, NO DISCHARGE or any sort of vaginal irritation or dryness. I've had sex with my BF quite a bit since starting the wash and I always try to wash with HP after intercourse as a precaution and my BV seems to have disappeared!

I'm going to continue for another 4 straight days and then spread it out to twice a week and also after sex. I will wean myself off the HP and see how it goes. wink.gif

I will update you all in about a month!

chachaheels
QUOTE
I have been to holistic and alternative doctors and I know for sure it is a scam....I think you should stop encouraging us to waste our cash on your practice b/c I know first hand it is a waste of $$$...just like enzara, jamu stick etc.. all know we are desperate and are trying to suck cash out of us...

You really dont know everything..if "facts are facts" then my holistic docs would have cured me instead of charging me $30 for vitamins that I could find in a health food store for $15..I assume your comment to this would be not all holistic doctors are the same....

I think you should keep your criticism to yourself...you are not God..


This is just an outright lie, "pianogirl". It's too bad you want to blame other people for your own failings here, and it really is all still your problem. But now you're lying about me. I've never once promoted my practice here, never asked for a penny from anyone here or anywhere else on the Bust board. All my advice, in ironic contrast to peoples' big complaints about the expense of medical care being costly, has been absolutely free. All of the many posts I've written about how to choose a good practitioner near you, and how to find resources to help you choose the right alternative health care and practitioners for you, have been free of charge. Your claims that I am trying to "suck money" out of you or anyone else here, or that I'm trying to get you to "waste your cash" on my practice are outright lies. I've never promoted myself professionally on this board at any time, and my private practice is completely local, and by referral only. So if you're claiming that I did, you're just libelling me and lying through your teeth.

If you keep doing it, I may just make sure I exercise every legal recourse I can against you. If I don't opt to do this, however, know that karma--and momentum (of the shit you fling)--is a Bitch. I'm confident that you'll reap what you sow, either way.
pianogirl
QUOTE(chachaheels @ Jan 8 2007, 02:41 PM) *

This is just an outright lie, "pianogirl". It's too bad you want to blame other people for your own failings here, and it really is all still your problem. But now you're lying about me. I've never once promoted my practice here, never asked for a penny from anyone here or anywhere else on the Bust board. All my advice, in ironic contrast to peoples' big complaints about the expense of medical care being costly, has been absolutely free. All of the many posts I've written about how to choose a good practitioner near you, and how to find resources to help you choose the right alternative health care and practitioners for you, have been free of charge. Your claims that I am trying to "suck money" out of you or anyone else here, or that I'm trying to get you to "waste your cash" on my practice are outright lies. I've never promoted myself professionally on this board at any time, and my private practice is completely local, and by referral only. So if you're claiming that I did, you're just libelling me and lying through your teeth.

If you keep doing it, I may just make sure I exercise every legal recourse I can against you. If I don't opt to do this, however, know that karma--and momentum (of the shit you fling)--is a Bitch. I'm confident that you'll reap what you sow, either way.



Whatever...excercise what you wish who cares
neverending
Eralc Alegna: I was desperate and crazy! I just jumped on those Estroil suppositories because I did'nt care what happened to me.All I knew was that I would rather die than to have to live with this for the rest of my life.Who wants to be the butt end of a joke all the time, or walk past someone and watch them cover their nose when you walk by? I wish like hell I never touched those fucking birth control pills. They ruined my life! Eventhough I know that this is gone I still feel self consious and I hardly go out like I used to. I have no faith in people and I pushed my family away because I was scared they would Smell me.As for my skin; It took about 3 months for me to get it straight.I still have some blemishes on my forehead but I'm on it. Have you noticed right beofre your period starts those suckers get bigger? It sucks like hell. Anyway, I would'nt suggest you do things like I did unless you are VERY desperate. To be honest my mental state was at risk and I had to do something because I was losing it BIG TIME.Anyway, be careful with anything you do and let me know if you decide to try it because I would love to see how everything goes.
pianogirl
QUOTE(neverending @ Jan 8 2007, 03:12 PM) *

Eralc Alegna: I was desperate and crazy! I just jumped on those Estroil suppositories because I did'nt care what happened to me.All I knew was that I would rather die than to have to live with this for the rest of my life.Who wants to be the butt end of a joke all the time, or walk past someone and watch them cover their nose when you walk by? I wish like hell I never touched those fucking birth control pills. They ruined my life! Eventhough I know that this is gone I still feel self consious and I hardly go out like I used to. I have no faith in people and I pushed my family away because I was scared they would Smell me.As for my skin; It took about 3 months for me to get it straight.I still have some blemishes on my forehead but I'm on it. Have you noticed right beofre your period starts those suckers get bigger? It sucks like hell. Anyway, I would'nt suggest you do things like I did unless you are VERY desperate. To be honest my mental state was at risk and I had to do something because I was losing it BIG TIME.Anyway, be careful with anything you do and let me know if you decide to try it because I would love to see how everything goes.



Neverending I'm not sure if you posted elsewhere but do you just insert the Estroil or do you also do the HP I plan on starting the Estroil soon.

Thanks

PG
Eralc Alegna
Neverending (and everyone really):

I wish I had never gone on the pill or depo too. That's why i'm afraid to do anything hormonal to solve this. I don't want to inadvertently make it worse.
It's sad that women are lead to believe that BC is harmless, that everything will "go back to normal" hormonaly after you stop using it. It's all bullshit. I hate conventional medicine and doctors. It's not a public service, it's business for profit and personal gain.

The acne seems to get worse a bit after I start my period actually. I guess it takes a while to catch up. The ones I have from before are almost healed and then, BAM! a whole new crop to try to keep from exploding. Not only am I bumpy, red, and tender but now I'm dry and flakey because of continued use of topical shit.

Maybe I'll just go for the estroil. I'm losing it too. In fact I've lost it. Between the BV and lack of self-confidence (not to mention healthy sexual relationship) it causes coupled with the sheer humiliation of the acne PLUS a pre-disposition to depression anyway... I'm about to lock myself in a closet and cry continously until I can see an endocronologist(sp?). Then get my treatment and lock myself back up until I can emerge a whole fucking woman again!
pianogirl
QUOTE(Eralc Alegna @ Jan 8 2007, 04:05 PM) *

Neverending (and everyone really):

I wish I had never gone on the pill or depo too. That's why i'm afraid to do anything hormonal to solve this. I don't want to inadvertently make it worse.
It's sad that women are lead to believe that BC is harmless, that everything will "go back to normal" hormonaly after you stop using it. It's all bullshit. I hate conventional medicine and doctors. It's not a public service, it's business for profit and personal gain.

The acne seems to get worse a bit after I start my period actually. I guess it takes a while to catch up. The ones I have from before are almost healed and then, BAM! a whole new crop to try to keep from exploding. Not only am I bumpy, red, and tender but now I'm dry and flakey because of continued use of topical shit.

Maybe I'll just go for the estroil. I'm losing it too. In fact I've lost it. Between the BV and lack of self-confidence (not to mention healthy sexual relationship) it causes coupled with the sheer humiliation of the acne PLUS a pre-disposition to depression anyway... I'm about to lock myself in a closet and cry continously until I can see an endocronologist(sp?). Then get my treatment and lock myself back up until I can emerge a whole fucking woman again!


Totally agree with you...mine started after BC pills and this has been a nightmare...sex drive is in the toilet and its frustrating...I ordered the Estroil and plan on using it too it cant be worse than what we are already going through..I am kind of scared to have a baby someday because I fear I will have complications or even I wil sad.gif this sucks..
neverending
pianogirl:I don't do HP. I just used the Estroil suppositories. When you get the package it will tell you exactly what to do.

Eralc Alegna:"It's sad that women are lead to believe that BC is harmless, that everything will "go back to normal" hormonaly after you stop using it. It's all bullshit. I hate conventional medicine and doctors. It's not a public service, it's business for profit and personal gain."
TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!

"I'm about to lock myself in a closet and cry continously until I can see an endocronologist(sp?). Then get my treatment and lock myself back up until I can emerge a whole fucking woman again"
OH GIRL, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
sassy
Geez...some very negative energy in here. Chacha, honestly, can you just not post in here anymore? It will be best for everyone.
D double U
Kitty, That sounds good. I think I'll try that....
autumnbreeze
QUOTE(sassy @ Jan 8 2007, 11:36 PM) *

Geez...some very negative energy in here. Chacha, honestly, can you just not post in here anymore? It will be best for everyone.



I totally agree. She (or He) is so condescending. And if she feels that we are so closed minded and all we do is "whine" then why the hell does she even bother to come in here and ramble? She obviously does not get enough attention at home and the Bust Lounge is her audience sad.gif
pianogirl
QUOTE(neverending @ Jan 8 2007, 09:54 PM) *

pianogirl:I don't do HP. I just used the Estroil suppositories. When you get the package it will tell you exactly what to do.

Eralc Alegna:"It's sad that women are lead to believe that BC is harmless, that everything will "go back to normal" hormonaly after you stop using it. It's all bullshit. I hate conventional medicine and doctors. It's not a public service, it's business for profit and personal gain."
TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!

"I'm about to lock myself in a closet and cry continously until I can see an endocronologist(sp?). Then get my treatment and lock myself back up until I can emerge a whole fucking woman again"
OH GIRL, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.



Thanks I did receive the Estroil....I didnt see any instructions but I am definatly hoping it helps me too.. sad.gif

I wanted to ask and I hope I am not getting too personal but have you had sex while on Estroil?


Thanks

PG

QUOTE(autumnbreeze @ Jan 9 2007, 09:09 AM) *

I totally agree. She (or He) is so condescending. And if she feels that we are so closed minded and all we do is "whine" then why the hell does she even bother to come in here and ramble? She obviously does not get enough attention at home and the Bust Lounge is her audience sad.gif



LOL good point..
neverending
Pianogirl: I'll see if I can find the instructions.Did you buy it from a different site? Oh, and yes I had sex while using the Estroil but only after it had been dissolved completely.Give it a couple of hours before attempting to have sex. It's the plant kind of estroil so I thought it would'nt hurt the hubby. If your using the prescribed kind of Estroil then I would'nt advise sex while using it.
Eralc Alegna
I'll probably end up getting the estroil anyway... pianogirl make sure you keep us updated on your situation after you start using it.

Neverending, how long before the BV improved/went away with the estroil?

If I don't get the estroil I'm going to pick up Agnus Castus. I read about it in a book that said it was good for hormonal acne. It's supposed to ballance the hormones so it might take care of the bv too. (i feel weird calling it BV now that i don't think its an infection anymore. But what the hell else should i call it?).
neverending
It took about 3 months but I saw results after the first. Oh, and I also used the Vitex/Agnus Castus first. Be careful because you don't want to end up pregnant like I did.That stuff makes you fertile!
pianogirl
QUOTE(neverending @ Jan 10 2007, 10:58 AM) *

It took about 3 months but I saw results after the first. Oh, and I also used the Vitex/Agnus Castus first. Be careful because you don't want to end up pregnant like I did.That stuff makes you fertile!



Hi Ladies


Can you tell me where did you get the vitex?


I will keep you ladies posted about my progress..

THanks

PG
neverending
I got it from a health food store and it was'nt expensive at all.
Eralc Alegna
Are vitex and agnus castus the same thing?
Did you have any success with it?
shendy
Eralc - I had the same problem you do with the acne (really awful red bumps that you want to pop but can't b/c they are so deep in the skin and are extremely painful / they also seem to develop in spots where I did not typically have acne when I was a teenager). Until the estriol kicks may I make the following suggestion to wash it 2x a day and apply maximum strength OTC hydrocortison cream 4 or 5 times a day. I used to put all types of acne products on it and moisturizers and it would be a nightmare but I find that just using the hydrocortison cream and leaving it alone caused it to go away faster and look less terrible during the process. Hope that helps.
hmmm
Good night all,

Like some persons here I have had vaginal discharge with no smell. I visited a reproductive endocrinologist last year and had a series of hormonal tests done. My results were pretty good with my LH and my FSH being a little lower than normal. Also, an ertemely high prolactin level, this is the hormone that influences the production breast milk in individuals.

However, what I had done that was never done before was a matriculation index, which resulted in abnormal results of 90-10-10. She explained to me that my vaginal had only ten percent mature cells, ten percent intermediate cells and 90 percent parabasal cells. GO figure.

Anyhow, I went through all of that to say that I am definitely getting on the band wagon for the local estrogen since that is what is supposed to increase the mature cells in the vagina.

Just thought I would share my two cents worth, since I finally got some light shed tonight.

Thank you guys so much!!!!

P.S. I would definitely get a matriculation index done and check out the results. I think this can be done by a regular gynecologist, to cut down the cost. Thanks again!
neverending
Eralc Alegna: I don't know if it helped any because I was still using it when I had my miscarriage.(I did'nt know I was pregnant)
hmmm
THANK GOD!!!
Eralc Alegna
Thanks for the advice shendy. I found another message board about some "acne cure" and ordered some 10% glycolic acid cream to use as it suggested. I'll give tea tree oil another shot or the hydrocortizone cream if that doesn't help.
I think I'm going to order the estroil too. I found Chaste tree (aka agnus castus) in liquid form yesterday but didn't buy. We know the estroil for sure worked in at least one case...
Hmmm, your post is interesting, but I at least am not educated enough to be familliar with what you're referring to. Whats LH and FSH? What is a matriculation index? Parabasal cells?
Really? my vagina might not be "mature" enough yet? It's just going through that difficult adolecent stage then I suppose?
neverending
Luteinizing hormone (LH) is a hormone
Follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) is a hormone
Parabasal cells are the smallest epithelial cells seen on a typical vaginal smear.
matriculation index? I HAVE NO CLUE!
pianogirl
QUOTE(neverending @ Jan 11 2007, 02:32 PM) *

Luteinizing hormone (LH) is a hormone
Follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) is a hormone
Parabasal cells are the smallest epithelial cells seen on a typical vaginal smear.
matriculation index? I HAVE NO CLUE!



Neverending I am so happy that you dont have this problem anymore.

What do you do for maintanence>??

thanks smile.gif smile.gif
Eralc Alegna
Thanks for the clarification neverending!

I keep forgetting to ask you, how much estroil will I need to order? You said it was about 3 months before you got results and I don't want to pay for shipping more than once
neverending
pianogirl:I don't do any maintanence but my daily routine is:Shower, then I put Monistat chafing relief powder-gel on and that keeps down the heat down below, then I put the vagisil deodorant powder in my undies, then I top it off with feminine spray on the kitty. I do most of that because I really don't have confidence yet.Maybe one day I might be able to get over this but until then I would rather be safe than sorry.

Eralc Alegna: I think 3 and used 2 and a half! The third is for the maintanence. You'll see how it works when you get the package.Which website did you order from?
Eralc Alegna
haven't yet, but i bookmarked the link you posted and was going to use that
hmmm
Hey guys

My bad, so sorry for the confusion, that should have been maturation index. Something you can request from your gynecologist I think. But I did get desperate to take a trip overseas to see a reproductive gynecologist.

Just do a search, it will explain all to you, I am getting my estrogen cream this weekend.

I hope for all our sakes that this is finally the light at the end of the tunnel.

God BLess

*reproductive endocrinologist
hmmm
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...cgi?artid=96867





hey guys, check out the above!
neverending
I KNEW I WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK! GREAT ARTICLE AND GREAT RESEARCH HMMM.
sassy
I've been doing pretty good. I've been able to cut back on the boric acid by using the hydrogen peroxide. I still didn't find anything to use to get it into my vagina...so I've been just pouring it on the area while in the shower. I also put it on toilet paper and wipe it around my vagina if I notice a smell and it takes it away immediately. None of this is convienent, obviously, but it works. If others have success with the estrogen, I will definately look into getting my hormone levels checked out.
oh, the internet
This is awesome. I have never joined anything like this but I have to say, I am excited for this. I have been walking around with this grossness for about four years. I have been to many different gynocologist for treatments. After the treatment, I have gone back within two weeks to say that it was alleviated for a few days and now its back. My favorites....

Response Gyno 1: "Oh, no. Really what you now have is normal discharge. You just need to get used to it. Sometimes vaginas just get sick."

Gyno 2: I have never seen discharge like this, except with Chlamydia. <<two tests later>> Well, its not chlamydia. Any other questions?

Gyno 3: Use this cream, come back if it doesnt work. -- Called back for appointment couldnt see me for six weeks.

Im not sure if anyone else goes through periods of complete obsession, but the last time I did I also had back pain. I then convinced myself I had PID and went to the hospital. Totally not necessary, but I freaked out. Anyway, the doctor and nurse were so dismissive and a hostile that I had wasted their time (it was totally quiet that day, i was seen in ten minutes). I just went home and gave up.

Sorry to post for so long, but it feels really good to vent without someone looking at you like you are disgusting for allowing yourself to have an infection for soooooo long. Its not like I am keeping it around for fun.

Anyway, after two years of internet searching, I finally found this website. I am so excited to try all this new stuff. It makes me so angry that people who specialize in the female body are so clueless and dismissive. If you dont know, just tell me, instead of wasting my time, getting my hopes up, and in the end telling me that it is just part of being a woman. If a man had discharge, odor, and something that made him feel less sexually desirable you know for sure that there would be people working overtime on that shit.


neverending
oh, the internet:Welcome! I hate docs and I think they are useless. They don't care about anything other than what kind of insurance you have. They don't want to cure us because we are money in their eyes. I did my own research and came up with my own cure. Anyway, Tell us what you have tried and if anything seemed to work for you and also have you taken birth control?
pianogirl
Welcome "oh, the internet."

Neverending sorry to ask so many questions but how many weeks straight did you use the estroil for? thanks
smile.gif
oh, the internet
Hey, thanks.

I have been on birth control. This all started before then, but I was on Yasmin. It was great for my skin etc. but I recently stopped taking it. I have tried two anitbiotics. The first one, I cant remember and the second was Zithromax-- both nothing. Also, miconazole, diflucan, and that one that starts with gly...Nothing. I recentlty tried Metrogel. Which was great for a few days, but I couldnt maintain it. But it was soooo great for those few days. I wouldnt let my new husband touch me though, I didnt want to disrupt anything...I know, mean of me not to share.
I am interested in the hydrogen peroxide, but Im not sure if its safe? ? Also, boric acid sounds good to me....I just have to try it all.
I would appreciate someone letting me know how much h2o2 and how often. or any other ideas...
thank you so much.
pianogirl
QUOTE(oh, the internet @ Jan 15 2007, 03:36 PM) *

Hey, thanks.

I have been on birth control. This all started before then, but I was on Yasmin. It was great for my skin etc. but I recently stopped taking it. I have tried two anitbiotics. The first one, I cant remember and the second was Zithromax-- both nothing. Also, miconazole, diflucan, and that one that starts with gly...Nothing. I recentlty tried Metrogel. Which was great for a few days, but I couldnt maintain it. But it was soooo great for those few days. I wouldnt let my new husband touch me though, I didnt want to disrupt anything...I know, mean of me not to share.
I am interested in the hydrogen peroxide, but Im not sure if its safe? ? Also, boric acid sounds good to me....I just have to try it all.
I would appreciate someone letting me know how much h2o2 and how often. or any other ideas...
thank you so much.


Hi

I havent tried the hydrogen peroxide but the boric acid is really great. Just purchase size 00 capsules and fill them with boric acid (you can get boric acid at walmart or cvs) near the pharmacy section. Insert a capsule up there at night time and wear a panty liner during the day. (it gets runny). The boric acid is not a cure but it takes away the smell. I really want to try the H2o2 b/c with the boric acid I dont trust having oral as it can be toxic.

The H2o2 seems more sanitary I believe the ladies are purchasing 3% hydrogen peroxide and using either medicine droppers or funnels to insert the hydrogen peroxide. One even mentioned that they saw a whole punch of guck come out after using. Most of them do it in the shower with their legs/ arse up in a manner so that the hydrogen sits up there for a little while.

Most of us started with the boric but I think you should try the H2o2 as it seems less messy at least thats how I feel after using the boric for about 4 months.

Keep us posted and good luck. smile.gif

Also if I was a little vaugue someone please correct me.


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Eralc Alegna
the hydrogen peroxide was used in a study someone put up a link to, and it said 30mL held in the vagina for three minutes. I've tried this to no avail, but some on the board have success with it. At least temporarily.
Welcome!
autumnbreeze
hmmm: good article! I've been doing some reading about the acid balance as well as how our bodies use (and don't use) oxygen because I keep thinking about how the hydrogen peroxide zaps the BV symptoms immediately and how many women say the same about the boric acid. I read one article about one doctor who used hydrochloric acid to treat vaginal infections way back in 1933 but for some reason or another this was abandoned. I'll see if I can find the article again and post the link. Also, has anyone heard of or tried the Oxygen/Ozone therapy? I came across it in one of my searches but didn't have time to finish reading up on it....

Oh,the internet: I use the Hydrogen Peroxide about once a month. It's the only thing (so far) I can say for certain works immediately with no noticeable side effects. I don't know if any of these remedies are "safe" long term. However, I feel ok using the HP because it is commonly used as a mouthwash/gargle and it's basically water with an extra element of oxygen. I use about 1/4 cup or less. I take a disposable douche bottle, empty the contents out completely, add the HP, lay on my back with a towel under my rump, raise legs up and butt up off the floor and squirt wash inside and let it sit in there for a couple minutes. It sounds like a lot but it only take a few minutes--and for 1-2 weeks of no symptoms, IT'S WORTH IT!! I tried doing it with a syringe but it was just too much trouble. Good luck!
deprime
Do you think it would be worth it to go to a reproductive endocrinologist for chronic BV?

hmmm, I saw that you went there for heavy vaginal discharge with no smell. Did they talk about BV at all?
neverending
pianogirl: I think I did like ..............11 weeks or so! I hope this helps. Let me know how everything works out.
autumnbreeze
QUOTE(deprime @ Jan 15 2007, 09:46 PM) *

Do you think it would be worth it to go to a reproductive endocrinologist for chronic BV?


Yes. I will not go to a Gyno again for BV.
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