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peachcup
QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 10 2007, 02:52 AM) *
Peachcup. You need to read. Go through the archives and you will see the different things we have tried.


Alright. I'll do it the hard way. But I will take notes so that we can have easier reference material.

Mmm... and I would like to apologize for how harsh I have been sounding. I have been researching this for a couple hours straight and I thought I hit a gold mine, but here is just as jumbled as everything else. I would think you were here to help each other, not send each other down the hard road you had to take yourselves.

Again, I apologize... Sorry.

Morphia
QUOTE(peachcup @ May 10 2007, 01:59 AM) *
Alright. I'll do it the hard way. But I will take notes so that we can have easier reference material.

Mmm... and I would like to apologize for how harsh I have been sounding. I have been researching this for a couple hours straight and I thought I hit a gold mine, but here is just as jumbled as everything else. I would think you were here to help each other, not send each other down the hard road you had to take yourselves.

Again, I apologize... Sorry.



Everyone else had to do it this way. Its just that these women have repeated themselves so many times the thought of doing so again drives them up the wall. It would benefit you and everyone else here if you just read the whole thread. I made damn sure I read it before I ever posted. It took me 2 or 3 days almost straight. But I did it. And I learned a lot. You will too.
peachcup
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 10 2007, 03:08 AM) *
Everyone else had to do it this way. Its just that these women have repeated themselves so many times the thought of doing so again drives them up the wall. It would benefit you and everyone else here if you just read the whole thread. I made damn sure I read it before I ever posted. It took me 2 or 3 days almost straight. But I did it. And I learned a lot. You will too.


Thanks for putting me in my place smile.gif

I understand.

I am just angry that there is not a doctor who can say "here you go, a pill, you will be fine, don't do this and this and this anymore. eat this and this and this. be healthy!" And I know all of you probably feel the same way.

I haven't read anything about oral sex or shaving contributing to BV, does anyone know about that?
lori
QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 9 2007, 10:27 PM) *
VAGINA'S need to BREATH!!!! Wearing "Pads" while you have B.V. is just trouble waiting to happen, especially if you already have issues with sweating down in that area!!

This is just an alternate opinion, but I'm pro-panty-iners when you're having a lot of discharge. You want ventilation because you don't want any moisture trapped in that area - and panty liners are very absorbent, and helps keep that area dry.

Of course the best way to air out your kitty is to go commando! But if that's not an option, I recommend panty liners.

QUOTE(peachcup @ May 9 2007, 11:59 PM) *
Again, I apologize... Sorry.

Welcome peachcup! No need to apologize, we are here to help each other out. I do think a compendium of suggestions is a good idea - a quick reference guide.

Anyway, Jewelscando already sort of answered your question:
QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 9 2007, 10:27 PM) *
From my knowledge on this board, there's been two things that have taken it away. Flagyl vaginally and the Estroil.


Actually, I've been saying that Fem-Dophilus has been working for me, over several posts. (Read my detailed post on that here.) But let me make my case again:

- Based on my research, the reason BV recurs is because the antibiotics (flagyl, clindamycin) kill the bad (anaerobic) bacteria, but also kill the good (lactobacillus) bacteria. Vicious cycle begins. And as most of you know, the lack of the good bacteria is one of the reasons why we get yeast infections after taking the antibiotics.
- So logic follows that we need to do something to replace the good bacteria - which should help prevent both BV and yeast (which is no fun, either). And Fem-Dophilus is one of the only products designed to do this for your vagina.
- Also based on my experience - you need to take the specific type of lactobacillus for your problem. So just any kind of lactobacillus supplements won't necessarily help.

I think Fem-Dophilus is the best, safest solution out there. It's expensive, it's hard to find, but it works for me.

-- Anyways ...

I've read most of this thread by now. Here are some things that other ladies have tried:

- hydrogen peroxide douche/wash - Some ladies do this after sex. I've tried it, and it seemed to help, but my doctor told me that commercial grade peroxide breaks down tissue, so it's best not to do it.

- jamu stick

- boric acid capsules - Seemed to work, but the symptoms came back when you stopped using it; at least one lady got a bad skin rash

- Yeast Arrest - Capsules which contain boric acid, among other stuff

- flagyl (inserted vaginally) - I have to say, this scares me. But it apparently works for some ladies.

- Estroil

- RePhresh


Please feel free to add to the list!

So peachcup, if you like, go ahead read the thread and learn what you can from the experiences of others. But I've read the thread, NONE of these solutions are really a cure. At best, they keep your symptoms at bay.

QUOTE
I haven't read anything about oral sex or shaving contributing to BV, does anyone know about that?

Actually, I think receiving oral or giving oral before penetration is something that can contribute to BV. The germs in the mouth making contact with the vagina can upset the balance ... etc.

Don't know about shaving, though. I would think it doesn't matter.
bvgirl
AGAIN, like I stated to cover up the smell that she is experiencing is what she was talking about. I did not say that the "pads" were a solution to her problem. Did not say that and like I stated before it helped to mask the smell only and that is what WORKED for me. The pad thing was a temporary thing not to confuse it with getting the right product although like I stated it may cause problems and irritation LIKE I stated it was "soemthing" I used to MASK the smell. If you read more into what I stated I told her to go panti less. Make no mistake about it.
mfc10
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 10 2007, 12:12 AM) *
Well, I don't think the Flagyl is going to work. I'm pretty sure its not. I'm on my third day and I still feel the exact same burn. And I know its not yeast from the meds. From what I've read here it seems that you ladies have bv infections that go away with antibiotics but then they come back. Has anyone ever had one or is currently dealing with one that will just NOT go away AT ALL? As in one constant infection that is resistant to all antibiotics? I know this is only my second treatment but my intuition is telling me that this fucker isn't going anywhere. No matter what I throw at it. And we all know about women's intuition.


EXACTLY what happened to me 2 years ago---terrible, unrelenting burning. If ONLY I had discovered boric acid then. It will kill both any BV PLUS ANY SPECIES of Candida/yeast you may have. And I still think you have yeast, despite your doctor's recent test. Most tests are not sensitive enough to pick up some of the less-common species of Candida yeast. Get some Yeast Arrest online, or obtain boric acid powder, empty capsules and make up your own to insert (DO NOT TAKE BORIC ACID ORALLY!). Or, ask your doctor to call in a Rx to a compounding pharmacy (if there is one in your area). I will forever be greatful that I FINALLY tried this, after countless other measures. Even though it's an acid--it didn't make my vaginal burning worse,
and after about a week of nightly use, the burning finally wore off. wink.gif
Get better soon,

maggie c.
mfc10
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 10 2007, 01:45 AM) *
I've been seeing an obgyn and I've been tested for gonorrhea and chlamydia. Both came back negative. I got the affirm test (better than wet prep) for yeast, bv, and trich and the only thing that came back positive was bv. I know there is nothing else going on with me. I'm also on Diflucan for yeast prevention. I'm telling you, I know the Flagyl won't work. If there is anything additional going on with me it lies in my hormones or my immune system. As I've said, I suspect I've had this problem for over a year. Maybe even years! There's no telling what kind of Herculean microbe I'm battling here.


The Affirm test missed both a case of BV and yeast which my gyn then FOUND using a wet prep slide. You have to have a gyn who actually is skillful at reading the latter. Also--Diflucan is effective against Candida Albicans yeast, but has little, if any, effect on Candida Glabrata , Candida Tropicalis, etc. species of yeast. I still vote that you have yeast. Burning is always a red flag for it.

Maggie C.
lori
QUOTE(mfc10 @ May 10 2007, 03:17 AM) *
I still vote that you have yeast. Burning is always a red flag for it.

I'm going to have to agree with Maggie. The burning sounds more like yeast than BV.

So I was looking up "yeast arrest," and found that the company that makes it (Pharmax) also makes a bunch of products that specifically address BV!

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.asp?itemid=1208

I'm especially intrigued by the CandaClear suppositories which is supposed to replenish lactobacillus levels. Has anyone tried these?

QUOTE
I'm telling you, I know the Flagyl won't work.

Morphia, if you feel that way, ask your doctor for clindamycin, pills.
bvgirl
QUOTE(lori @ May 10 2007, 05:44 AM) *
I'm going to have to agree with Maggie. The burning sounds more like yeast than BV.

So I was looking up "yeast arrest," and found that the company that makes it (Pharmax) also makes a bunch of products that specifically address BV!

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.asp?itemid=1208

I'm especially intrigued by the CandaClear suppositories which is supposed to replenish lactobacillus levels. Has anyone tried these?
Morphia, if you feel that way, ask your doctor for clindamycin, pills.



Hello Lori..
Yeah, I agree with you Lori on the burning it does sound like a yeast infection of some sort. I also was reading up on that website you mentioned it sounds good. Also, the suppositories peaked my interest too. I am thinking about trying it out when in need..
bvgirl
Morphia..
Let us know how the appointment went for you.I don't know if you are like me when it comes to doctor appointments( I usually have to write down questions I have for the doctor before I go in if I don't I forget or leave out what I need to ask him). So maybe it would be good for you to write out all the questions you would like to ask him and then take that in with you and refer to it so you can cover everything with him..
arj75
I am, as well as many other women are curious to finding out what links in our past history that could be a contributing factor for bv. Drug use, being one of them. If it's offensive..don't read it. I you don't want to reply, then don't. I myself, can't sit longer than 20 minutes without having an aniexty attack or I would have already all of these posts. Not to mention that I have a full time job, a baby, a 7 year old, and I am a single mother. If anyone wants to vent or discuss their history here, it shouldn't be a problem for anyone. It's not like we can share this with alot of people.
jewelscando
arj75, trust me, I understand what you are saying. However, your constant talk of drug use is more of a trying to get a reaction then trying to figure out a solution. It worked! I did not mean to come off that way, however, I'm here to find solutions to a problem. If you need a solution to stop using drugs..you need to find another board. You along with EVERYONE on this board, are in similiar positions. I am a SINGLE mother of 4!! I work 50+ hours a week, but have still managed to find time to read the posts, before asking the same questions over and over again.

I personally get tired of repeating myself. B.V. is not a joy in my life. IT'S A PAIN IN MY VAGINA!! And for some of you who are new to the board, you will repeat yoursel for awhile, until you've reached your breaking point as well. THERE ARE NO SIMPLE ANSWERS FOR B.V. Hence, the reason there's a FRICKING BOARD ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT!!! Like anything medical, you have to do your research. What's worked for me, may not work for you and vice versa. You have to do what we have done for the past year and use trial and error. BORIC ACID, gave me a RASH FROM HELL. On my forehead, AND my arms. How do I know it was the Boric?? Because tests results showed I was having an Internal reaction to something. The only that was going in me at the time, was the Boric. Stopped taking Boric, guess what, rash went away.

So, I have also talked about this rash, over and over and over again on this board. Along with the Flagyl working vaginally. My time is just as important as yours and everyone else's. So, go back and read, if you truly want to get answers. You will see all the products we tried from Tea Tree Oil, to Boric, to Prescription drugs, to VITAMIN C VAGINALLY, to Folic Acid, to G-Natren, to Probotics, to Tetrasil...AND THE LIST GOES ON!!!

Trust me, we are here to help, but you have to do your part as well.

SASSY, NEVERENDING....WHERE ARE YOU???? wacko.gif
Morphia
Its not yeast. A wet prep AND an affirm have confirmed that. For some people bv burns. I know I'm not the only one around here that has burning as a symptom. It may not be common, but it is very real. I think its because I'm fairly dry down there that I have the burning. Like I said, I really need to have my hormones checked. I'm still going to have a culture sent to a lab just to see if there is any strange bacteria that the affirm isn't picking up, like strep infections or something. But I know its not yeast. However, if it is yeast, the culture will say so. I see the doc on the 18th for my colpo. I'll ask him to do all that testing then.
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 10 2007, 10:01 AM) *
Its not yeast. A wet prep AND an affirm have confirmed that. For some people bv burns. I know I'm not the only one around here that has burning as a symptom. It may not be common, but it is very real. I'm still going to have a culture sent to a lab just to see if there is any strange bacteria that the affirm isn't picking up, like strep infections or something. But I know its not yeast. However, if it is yeast, the culture will say so. I see the doc on the 18th for my colpo. I'll ask him to do all that testing then.

That's great Morphia. You should be able to confirm on the 18th if the flagyl worked for you.
sassy
Jewels...I'm here. I posted a couple of days ago. My internet access has been limited lately since I was in the process of moving.
jewelscando
Yeah, I saw your post a few days ago Sassy!! THANK GOD YOUR HERE!!! wink.gif Have you tried the vaginal Flagyl yet?? Let me know how it works for you. It's not a 100% cure Sassy, but, it keeps the B.V. away. I don't think there is a cure. And that's just being honest with myself. It's back to what we all have said for awhile now, it's just something that we have to learn to maintain. And for me, the Flagyl keeps it away, and when there's a slightest hint...I just use one and it's gone. I haven't had fish smell for a couple of months now, just maybe once a month, it smells like shit. Not literal shit, just a funk smell. That's when I use 1 flagyl and forget about it. But since you are getting married in September, this will get you on your way. I wouldn't use it though while having sex, because for me, it did turn it into the yeast infection from hell. Glad to see you're still around!!! I miss you guys!!
pianogirl
I was curious as to has anyone given the estroil a shot...I havent used it in well over a month and I have no smell and my period just ended.

This seems to be what helped, I believe my smell and discharge was a hormonal issue.

Good luck ladies.
jewelscando
Pianogirl, no, haven't tried it yet, but I need to. I also think mine is hormone related due to the Hysterectomy. Can you give me the web address again of where you ordered it. And I remember something about the mg or something.

Thanks!! Great to hear your doing so well!!! CONGRATS!!
arj75
To any new comers who in a a state of panic because you just realized that you may have reoccurring BV, I went to my health food store and got a product called Ultimate Flora. It is kept in the refrigator section, and has 50 billion cultures per capsule. I'm not sure if all health food stores keep this cool, but my local store does (it's helpful). I'm seeing an iridologist and an amish herbal doctor tommorow..anything is worth a shot. I can't stop believing that my poor eating habits, lack of proper vitamins and minerals, imbalanced ph levels in my diet and stress did not cause this.

I found it very interesting that some of us are always cold, and never eat breakfast either.. I never have.
maybe if we regulated our body temperatures..figured a way to keep warm..it could help..(not make our body work in overdrive to maintain itself) I know I'm grasping at straws but I really don't care.

From the drug conversation, I'm going to get some kind of product that can cleanse my body out, and hopefully get rid of some toxins that my body can't or can cleanse but at a much slower rate. Thank you to those who answered.

I'm not trying to get nasty here, but I didn't realize that mentioning drug use at this site would be a problem....with topics such as anal sex and female ejaculation.

Good night everyone.
Morphia
Ok. So today, I don't THINK I can feel the burn. Well, I have a couple of times but not as bad. But my bf and I were fooling around (no real sex. Haven't had that in ages it seems) and I noticed I smelled like Pizza Hut. And I still do. I asked him to smell me and he said that I smell mustier than usual. I know what you're thinking, "Probably yeast from the flagyl." But I'm also trying to keep in mind that I also ate a lot of fries and chicken strips at Raising Caines tonight. I've been cutting carbs out of my diet completely for the past 2 or so months but I've cheated a few times in the past couple of weeks. You think it could have just been what I ate? I do know that what you eat can affect the smell down there. Does anyone else ever smell like pizza sometimes? I also still have bubbles in my secretions which I know is a sign of bv. It just worries me, b/c through my entire bv experience I've never really had a smell until now. Until I started treating it.


Oh, and I also smoked a good bit today too. Ugh....
lori
QUOTE(arj75 @ May 10 2007, 09:01 PM) *
... I went to my health food store and got a product called Ultimate Flora. It is kept in the refrigator section, and has 50 billion cultures per capsule. I'm not sure if all health food stores keep this cool, but my local store does (it's helpful).

Wow, 50 billion. (And yes, it is good that you got it from a store that keeps it in the fridge - ensures maximum potency!)

Here's my take on probiotics - you need to take the *exact* right strain for your needs. For example, I took two courses of clindamycin, and suffered intestinal problems (a common side effect). I had no idea what was causing it, so I just kept taking the antibiotics, and my intestine problems just got worse. I finally figured it out, and took probiotics.

But taking just any probiotic product, even well-regarded brands (Solgar, Ethical Nutrients) didn't help. I even got them from a fridge (Whole Foods, Great Earth Vitamins) and made sure they had a high count. And they were even designed to help me with my intestines. But they didn't seem to do anything.

So I finally tried Culturelle - which has some new patented strain of Lactobacillus, blah blah. Anyway, it worked. I felt better right away. But also super-expensive!

As far as the Ultimate Flora goes (is this it?)

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/brow....jsp?id=RW-1029

Wow, it's got a whole lot of strains, and a very high count! Good luck, and please update me on how it goes.
jewelscando
So happy to hear you are getting SOME relief Morphia!! I hope for you during the next few days, you feel even more better!! Thank you ARJ75 for the information. I'm going to check that out here where I live.

I also noticed in my grocery store here, they have a section called "Health Food", and it's all refrigerated. They also carry like acidopilus and probotics in there, so, I will check and see if they have the Flora stuff!!

Morphia, I've had so many different smells from Fish, to Shit, to down right funk, to mildew, to sour...and the list goes on. BUT PIZZA!!! Girl, I needed that!! Thanks for making me laugh!! I have such a hard time explaining the smell, so I can appreciate your comments!!

I too smoke...and I agree with what's been said before, smoking plays a huge roll. Not sure if things will change if and when I decide to quit, but...I do believe there is a connection.

Have a great night!!!
sassy
Jewels...a few questions, and I'm sorry if you've answered these before. How long did you wait from the flagyl before having sex? I really don't want a yeast infection. And you only use one pill? How long before trying another one if the first pill doesn't work? Finally, where did you order yours? I don't really want to call my gyno. Thanks! I'm glad you are doing so well. I hope this helps. I've kept using the boric, which keeps things smelling nice, but I have to use it all the time. I would like something that lasts longer so I hope this does it. I would also like to try the estoroil but I know a couple of girls on here tried it and it didn't help at all. I'm hesitant about spending more money right now. sad.gif
arj75
Good morning everyone.
I'm not starting the Flora until I get those toxins out of my body. I was wondering if anyone has read about what times it is better to have sex when you have BV. I read that your urine ph is around 5 maybe below in the morning (I don't have the information with me right now for the listed estimated ranges), and the urine ph raises later in the day. I was just wondering what other body fluids did this, such as our blood, vaginal secretions, sweat, so forth... if we are more acidic with our urine in the mornings...maybe our vaginas are more acidic as well at that time and it is a better time to have intercourse...
I did buy some ph strips, but they weren't what I was wanting, (not sure now what we common citizens can buy when testing like that. I do know that in my ANP 2 lab class, the ph strips we used there measured many more things than than ones that I ended up with. I have sinus problems....so it's hard for me to detect early smelly cat signs when I can't smell very well anyway. So, I'm hoping I can find something that can do that for me. At least warn me that PH is off. Again, just my thoughts, no need to reply unless you would like. I will research this just because I'm curious anyway.
ljames
Good Morning All!

I have been an avid reader of this thread for months now and have finally decided to join. First of all I would like to thank everybody for their advise and knowledge on the subject, I too have tried many of the suggestions listed throughout this thread (boric, acidophollis, peroxide, folic acid, vitamin c, tea tree oil etc.) and have found myself just as frustrated as you ladies.

A little history...I'll try to make it short and sweet. About a year and a half ago I finally found Mr. Right, Handsome, Nice, Smart, Employed, GREAT in bed etc. and we've been together ever since. About three months in to our relationship I noticed the most strong foul fish smell I have ever smelled after we had sex....I had no idea what it was and spent the day looking up the smelly symptom before I went to the clinic for treatment. They did a test to confirm that it was in fact BV and issued Flagyl as a cure and sent me on my way. LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT THE ANTIBIOTICS ONLY TOOK IT AWAY UNTIL IT WAS TRIGGERED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! After several rounds of antibiotics, cutting my boyfriend off of sex because I did not feel comfortable explaining this problem to him until a month or so ago and trying just about everything mentioned on this board, I have come to a slight hypothesis of what is triggering this problem.

At the beginning of my current relationship I started taking the pill again and after several different kinds with much spotting, mood swings, etc. I gave up and decided that condoms where the only way to go for me. Due to the issues I had with the pill this time around, I think that somehow my hormones got out of wack or maybe whatever regulates my ph no longer works....only right after my period will I have sex without a condom and when my bf does the deed inside of me within a day or two my stuff smells like a fish farm, most noticable during/after sex.

I finally got the nerve to discuss this reaccuring problem with the bf and explain that our dramatic drop in our daily sex life we indulged in before the BV was due to the BV and explained the whole PH problem with his semen contributing to the unbalancing of my screwed up PH etc. etc. I had my yearly violation appointment with my doctor and discussed the BV with her and she didn't seem to concerned at all and said it's just one of those things. WHAT THE FUCK!!!!! (excuse my language) but how many women actually have this issue and go to the doctor for her to tell me to deal with it?
I requested a prescription for flagyl once again because I had just read that JEWELS was having much luck with the vaginal insertion and I figured what the hell....I've tried everything else.

VERDICT - I got my precious prescription for 500mg Flagyl (capsules not the generic kind) filled, paid my 0.35 cents to the pharmacy and stuck one of those puppies in as far as it would go that night and again in the morning and after waiting 2 days as suggested by Jewels I had sex.....normal non smelly no hangups sex and it was FABULOUS. I continued with my much more frequent sex throughout the month with a condom and enjoyed every minute of it. Right after my next period Mr. Right did the deed without a condom and all the fish broke loose the very next day! So I inserted another flagyl and the nasty little fishies have left me again after 2 days....tonight will be the real test when me and the BF have sex.

So much for short and sweet....I'll stop now although I have much more to express since I've finally joined the group after much procrastination. Thank you again ladies for all of your knowledge and help.
quietmadness
Yes, LJAMES--You and the rest of us are definitely onto something with the Flagyl up the wazoo, and the ejaculation issue!

For years and years, I went about life stupidly thinking that it was the sex that contributed to the fish smell. I thought that was just what happened when semen hit the kitty. I thought it was normal. Boy did I get an edu-ma-cation when I stopped into the lounge!

I haven't been to the doc in ages. But I need to just go on in and get checked out. I have so many issues... dry.gif

~Quiet~
Morphia
QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 10 2007, 11:39 PM) *
So happy to hear you are getting SOME relief Morphia!! I hope for you during the next few days, you feel even more better!! Thank you ARJ75 for the information. I'm going to check that out here where I live.

I also noticed in my grocery store here, they have a section called "Health Food", and it's all refrigerated. They also carry like acidopilus and probotics in there, so, I will check and see if they have the Flora stuff!!

Morphia, I've had so many different smells from Fish, to Shit, to down right funk, to mildew, to sour...and the list goes on. BUT PIZZA!!! Girl, I needed that!! Thanks for making me laugh!! I have such a hard time explaining the smell, so I can appreciate your comments!!

I too smoke...and I agree with what's been said before, smoking plays a huge roll. Not sure if things will change if and when I decide to quit, but...I do believe there is a connection.

Have a great night!!!



Haha! The fact that I made you laugh made me crack up too. It was just what I needed as well. But I kid you not...Pizza Hut. I still smell like it today too. I think its either connected to the smoking or to my recent carb over load. I'll just have to give it a couple of days smoke free (too late for that today. I just smoked one sad.gif ) and carb free to see if it goes away. I'm hoping that's all it is. And I'm going to assume I'm the only one here that's ever smelled like a pizza restaurant!
lori
Welcome ljames!

QUOTE(ljames @ May 11 2007, 07:12 AM) *
They did a test to confirm that it was in fact BV and issued Flagyl as a cure and sent me on my way. LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT THE ANTIBIOTICS ONLY TOOK IT AWAY UNTIL IT WAS TRIGGERED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

Lack of lactobacillus, the good bacteria, is the problem.

QUOTE(ljames @ May 11 2007, 07:12 AM) *
I had my yearly violation appointment with my doctor and discussed the BV with her and she didn't seem to concerned at all and said it's just one of those things. WHAT THE FUCK!!!!! (excuse my language) but how many women actually have this issue and go to the doctor for her to tell me to deal with it?

*raises hand* Me me!

For 3 years, I went to 3 different gynos at least 12 times - telling them something ain't right down there, please help! I got tested for every STD known to mankind (negative), but no one ever treated me for BV. One day I walked into a Planned Parenthood out of desperation, and they took one look at me and told me "You've got a wicked case of BV!" They gave me metrogel, and I felt better for the first time in 3 FUCKING YEARS.

Planned Parenthood isn't all sunshine and kisses, though. It's a great organization, but they are underfunded and understaffed, and going there is depressing. And although the first doctor/RN I saw was really nice, the second RN was a fucking bitch from hell. I told her my infection is recurring and I was really worried. And she yelled at me and called me a hypochondriac! I went to my car and just cried and cried. Then a bunch of crazy high school kids with anti-abortion signs started banging on my car yelling, "Give your baby a chance!"

So I've definitely had my own moments of - WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!

Anyway, despite my bad experience at PP, it's still the only real option for many women who don't have healthcare in this country and I think that is a damn shame. I'm very lucky now, because I have an understanding and non-judgmental gyno-doctor who doesn't treat me like I'm an idiot. But even all she can do is just continue to prescribe me antibiotics.

Rant over. *whew*

QUOTE(arj75 @ May 11 2007, 06:00 AM) *
I'm not starting the Flora until I get those toxins out of my body.

arj75, you should start taking the flora right away. Probiotics need time to build up in your body, and they can only help you clear out your system.
Morphia
Well, I'm pretty sure this Flagyl isn't working. And I'm sure you're sick and tired of hearing it. But I need somewhere to vent. I did the finger test. I washed my hand and stuck a finger in there and pulled out my typical thick, whitish bv discharge. I've had burning all day (except for when I took some ibuprofen.) Seriously though, has anyone here had a case that just did NOT respond to antibiotics? The antibiotics I've been taking seem to only be putting a dint in this shit. This is no recurring case. This a case of "it just straight won't go the fuck away."
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 11 2007, 08:24 PM) *
I washed my hand and stuck a finger in there and pulled out my typical thick, whitish bv discharge.

Sounds like yeast to me. The typical BV discharge is described as "thin." "Thick" is usually yeast.

I don't see what it would hurt to go to the drugstore and buy yourself some Monistat. Use and see if your symptoms are relieved at all.
Aggravated
The first time I was diagnosed with BV, I was prescribed Metrogel and it worked...for about 4 months or so. When the BV returned, I tried the Metrogel again...and again...and again...it didn't go away. I then tried Metronidazol orally (the generic form of Flagyl). I was given the prescription with 3 refills. I took the first and refilled it immediately and took a second round...nothing. I've had constant BV for over a year now. I even tried the oral Metronidazol vaginally, but didn't have much luck with that for more than a day or two. I've been doing HP washes to keep it in check, but I'm going back to the doctor on the 16th...I'm hoping she'll give me something else to try. So, you are not the only one, but I have never had burning due to the BV...I hope you find some relief for that soon!
ilovehim
Hey,

I went to the therapist this afternoon and she prescribed zoloft (25 mg) for me. I have to see how this works with the depression so far i've taken one dose.

I'm still taking flagyl 2x a day. NOW I finally understand why they tell you not to drink while you're on that medication. I had a couple drinks yesterday and couldn't control my vomiting. Not only that, I couldn't enjoy my buzz to the max either. =( So PLEASE do yourself a favor and don't drink on this medication!
Morphia
QUOTE(lori @ May 11 2007, 10:58 PM) *
Sounds like yeast to me. The typical BV discharge is described as "thin." "Thick" is usually yeast.

I don't see what it would hurt to go to the drugstore and buy yourself some Monistat. Use and see if your symptoms are relieved at all.



This is where I differ. I kept getting visual diagnoses of yeast (which was wrong) until a doctor finally had the sense to test me and found out that it was bv.
jewelscando
QUOTE(sassy @ May 11 2007, 11:21 AM) *
Jewels...a few questions, and I'm sorry if you've answered these before. How long did you wait from the flagyl before having sex? I really don't want a yeast infection. And you only use one pill? How long before trying another one if the first pill doesn't work? Finally, where did you order yours? I don't really want to call my gyno. Thanks! I'm glad you are doing so well. I hope this helps. I've kept using the boric, which keeps things smelling nice, but I have to use it all the time. I would like something that lasts longer so I hope this does it. I would also like to try the estoroil but I know a couple of girls on here tried it and it didn't help at all. I'm hesitant about spending more money right now. sad.gif


Sassy, Here is what I did the first time. Inserted 1 500mg at night. Inserted a second one the next night, had sex the third night, inserted another one the following night, AND MY VAGINA ALMOST STARTED ON FIRE!!!!!! So, here is what I suggest you do, because it's what I did. I inserted 1 500 mg first night, then another one the second night. Then left it alone. About 2 days later, I do the whiff test...and it was gone. After that, I could have sex. So, I would actually wait at least 2 days after the last dose, just to be on the safe side. Another conclusion, I don't have sex very often any more, because boyfriend and I are on again off again, so when I do have sex, I use a flagyl the following evening. If you are having sex more often, you might want to becarefull with that, only because too much use of it, will cause a yeast infection. Nothing that an over the counter Monistat won't help with, but, still, you know yeast infections, they are not fun!!

I can't remember where I bought it, because it's been so long, but here's a website I have in my favorites.

http://www.horizondrugs.com/flagyl.html

If this doesn't work, just type in Buy Flagyl Online. And you should find it!! Please let me know how it works for you!!!
lori
QUOTE(Aggravated @ May 11 2007, 09:15 PM) *
The first time I was diagnosed with BV, I was prescribed Metrogel and it worked...for about 4 months or so. When the BV returned, I tried the Metrogel again...and again...and again...it didn't go away. I then tried Metronidazol orally (the generic form of Flagyl). I was given the prescription with 3 refills. I took the first and refilled it immediately and took a second round...nothing. I've had constant BV for over a year now. I even tried the oral Metronidazol vaginally, but didn't have much luck with that for more than a day or two. I've been doing HP washes to keep it in check, but I'm going back to the doctor on the 16th...I'm hoping she'll give me something else to try. So, you are not the only one, but I have never had burning due to the BV...I hope you find some relief for that soon!

You should ask for clindamycin, oral.

QUOTE(Morphia @ May 11 2007, 09:50 PM) *
This is where I differ. I kept getting visual diagnoses of yeast (which was wrong) until a doctor finally had the sense to test me and found out that it was bv.

Then did you get treatment when you thought it was yeast?

Every google search I've ever done says thick discharge is typically yeast, and thin discharge is typically BV. It's also possible to have concurrent infections. So I just don't see why you can't just get yourself some monistat and see if it helps - since you're already being treated for BV as well.
jewelscando
And MOST OF ALL, getting Monistat, WON'T HURT!! It could only help!! Plus, you can get the generic brand which works the exact same!! I agree, it's worth a try!!
Morphia
Trust me. The bv is still there. I have a mixture of both thick and thin discharge. The thick stuff sticks to the walls and my body produces a thin watery discharge as well. I woke up this morning to some in my undies. White and thin. I think I'm going to try the metrogel next, then the tindamax, then the cleocin. I will never use Clindamycin again. That's stuff is evil. Any other antibiotic suggestions?
Jupe
Morphia,
question- not to be gross but the discharge in your undies- did you smell it? is it fishy? I ask this because I have a loooooonnnnngggg story and I'm all confused- should I start a new post???
Jupe
ok, it won't let me start a new thread so I guess I have to ask here- this is such a long story so I guess I'll just keep it short. I have a YI- I just finished my Period yesterday so I decided to check myself out down there in the mirror... when I laid down on my back and spread my lips apart- I noticed a "fishy" odor- very slight- so I started panicking- is it from the end of my period or is it BV? I know blood gets a fishy odor. I stuck my finger up there and smelled- no odor- I looked in the mirror and the "discharge" that is coating the opening does appear a little grayish- as would BV- but when i put it on my finger- it has the consistancy of paste- I guess- like yeast- here's the thing- I am currently on terazol 7 so I don't know if the cream is the "grayish" or not. When i had BV 12 years ago it was fishy- after sex and I also remember it would smell fishy on the washrag when I was soaping up (PH in the soap?) anyway I always wear tampons but because of the YI I had to wear a pad- So I don't know if I smell a little fishy after my period because I never let it bleed out- you know? AND I never lay on my back and spread 'em after my period- this is messing with my head because I am not a very patient person- and I have to wait until I finish the cream completely- then if this still isn't gone- back to the doc- that's at least a week away! this has been going on for a month! I douched and everything went horribly wrong from there! I did the monistat ovule, a diflucan, a 3 day cream, 2 more diflucan's now terazol. I should mention the itching went away AWHILE ago and all that's left is an internal "burn" which now I don't know if it's from the Terazol, the yeast or BV???? oh and by the way- those of you with recurring infections- I had that problem 12 years ago- first I had BV- then a SCREAMING yeast infection once a month- Every dr said "Men don't get them" BULLSHIT! finally after 9 months of pure hell, swollen,itchy vag- a DR prescribed my boyfriend some pills and poof! all was better... funny- I should have sued them all for 9 months of torture! nowadays you can do that....
neverending
Sounds like you have BV hun. A doctor should tell you for sure if you have it or not.

Hey jewelscando! Everything is fine on my end.
paige
Hello everyone i did the the flagyl orally and vaginally no smell. rolleyes.gif
ilovehim
i'm feeling soooo much better on Zoloft. I'm no longer constantly worring about my smell. Finally, i'm not paranoid about being stinky! It might not be the cure to the problem but it sure takes away alot of stress so I can finally be myself again! =)

I'm still taking the flagyl orally twice a day. I noticed yesterday that when I first stand up in the morning, I have a gush of watery discharge expell from my pussy. What is this? is it because of the antibiotics? I don't remeber that happening before.
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 12 2007, 11:07 AM) *
Trust me. The bv is still there. I have a mixture of both thick and thin discharge.

No one said you didn't also have BV.
neverending
ILOVEHIM: Have you ever noticed the watery discharge before? I had the exact same thing happen to me and I fixed my problem with Estroil. I'm not the only person cured from this horrible discharge. Pianogirl also fixed this problem with estroil too. You might want to try it.
Morphia
QUOTE(lori @ May 12 2007, 04:29 PM) *
No one said you didn't also have BV.



I just don't understand why you're arguing with me about this. When I was first diagnosed with bv it looked so much like yeast that's what the doctor thought I had. It was thick, white, and pasty. And the reason I refuse to treat myself for yeast is because that's just flat out dangerous to do without confirmation from a doctor. Studies are starting to show that its because of self diagnosis and self treatment that we have these resistant strains of Candida Glabrata and Tropicalis out there. The OTC meds are more dangerous than they are good.
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 12 2007, 05:13 PM) *
I just don't understand why you're arguing with me about this. When I was first diagnosed with bv it looked so much like yeast that's what the doctor thought I had. It was thick, white, and pasty. And the reason I refuse to treat myself for yeast is because that's just flat out dangerous to do without confirmation from a doctor. Studies are starting to show that its because of self diagnosis and self treatment that we have these resistant strains of Candida Glabrata and Tropicalis out there. The OTC meds are more dangerous than they are good.


I'm not arguing with you about anything. I said - "No one said you didn't also have BV." This is a statement of fact, NOT AN ARGUMENT.

Anyway, the reason "self diagnosis and self treatment" is bad is because women are self-treating and NOT going to the doctor and delaying proper treatment. You are going to see a doctor, and you said s/he even gave you Diflucan! So treating yourself with an OTC yeast treatment shouldn't be dangerous for you at all.

Me, and other ladies in here have repeatedly suggested you may have yeast, based on the fact that you have BURNING and THICK discharge. It's a very reasonable and sound conclusion. You refuse to believe us, which is fine. It's your body. But all anyone here can do is just tell you what they think and give you suggestions.

If you refuse all suggestions, there's really no point is continuing to ask for them, is there?
bvgirl
QUOTE(paige @ May 12 2007, 03:42 PM) *
Hello everyone i did the the flagyl orally and vaginally no smell. rolleyes.gif


Hello, Paige

I may try doing it that way when needed and or if my current product stops working for me.. I just have to do a trial and error with how much and how long to use it.
Morphia
QUOTE
its your body


Exactly! I'm going to experience bv differently than everyone else. And obviously I am. I'm also not the only one that experiences burning as a symptom. If you go back and read some of the recent posts you'll see that. I've had burning with my bv since day one and I did not have yeast at the time. There is no need to get virulent here. I haven't asked for any suggestions other than what antibiotic should I take next. I've done enough research on yeast that I don't need to ask questions here about that.
bvgirl
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 12 2007, 08:03 PM) *
Exactly! I'm going to experience bv differently than everyone else. And obviously I am. I'm also not the only one that experiences burning as a symptom. If you go back and read some of the recent posts you'll see that. I've had burning with my bv since day one and I did not have yeast at the time. There is no need to get virulent here. I haven't asked for any suggestions other than what antibiotic should I take next. I've done enough research on yeast that I don't need to ask questions here about that.



Hello Morphia, smile.gif

I hope you find relief because I know and all of us know how frustrated you are. Get better sweetie..We are here for you
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 12 2007, 06:03 PM) *
I've done enough research on yeast that I don't need to ask questions here about that.


If you've done yeast research, you would know that antibiotics can also cause yeast infections. So if you've been taking flagyl, it's possible you've got yeast now, even though you didn't before.

QUOTE(Morphia @ May 12 2007, 06:03 PM) *
There is no need to get virulent here. I haven't asked for any suggestions other than what antibiotic should I take next.


No, that's not true. In any case - Metronidazole (aka Flagyl) & Clindamycin. That's it for treating BV.

If you want something else, you should ask your doctor.

I know BV is discouraging to everyone here. (I really, really KNOW.) But I think you have a more defeatist attitude than most. Like saying, "I know the flagyl is NOT going to work ..." even before you started taking it. You are under the care of a doctor, at least - some ladies here don't even have that.

Yes, it is your body. And you have a doctor. There is no one here who's going to be able to diagnose and cure you because we are not your gyno doctor looking between your legs. And since you have another appointment next week, just ask him/her about the burning and the thick white discharge.

But when you say "burning and the thick white discharge ..." 50 times a day, all anyone can tell you is "yeast" and "monistat." We already know you have BV, because you told us so (and we believe you!) and you're taking flagyl for that. So there's nothing else to do.

So to sum up:

- you may have yeast; try monistat (but you refuse, and it's probably too late, since you shouldn't use it too closely before a gyno appointment)
- if flagyl doesn't work, try clindamycin (but you can't)
- probiotics (but they don't work for you either)

There. That's it. You can keep asking, but there's not much more to say. Every suggestion you've been given - you either refuse or can't use. Well, there's only so much a message board can do. You can't squeeze blood from a stone.

So there's nothing left for you to do now, but just wait for your next gyno appointment.
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