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jewelscando
Look Lori, I've been on the board for going on two years now. WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE of people coming on, spamming, and starting shit for all that time.

Like I said, I wasn't trying to start anything by asking you that question. I was just wondering? You are extremely knowlegable in the things you say, WHICH WAS A COMPLIMENT, but, you didn't take it that way. Either way I could care less.

As for me. I know I'm a bitch, I'll admit it. And there's days that I just don't feel like answering the same questions over and over and over again, so I will say READ THE FRICKEN BOARD. Unlike you, I don't have time to respond to EVERY message that is put on here, nor do I want to have time to answer every question. B.V. is a pain in my life. Not something that gives me joy. I'm on this board to find answers. Just like we all are. And for a place to vent, just like we all are.

IF I'VE EVER COME OFF CONDESENDING, THEN I APOLOGIZE to those who feel that way.

BVGIRL - I insert this at night, right before I go to bed. When I get up in the morning, it does not come running out, if that's what you are asking. NOTHING LIKE THE BORIC ACID. But eventually sometime throughout the day, you might get a little discharge, but nothing major. Not even enough to wear a pantyliner.

THANKS SASSY! wink.gif

Good luck everyone...
sciongal
QUOTE(bvgirl @ May 15 2007, 06:17 AM) *
Thank you for responding so quickly.. I will bookmark the website. Thanks

Hi there, before you bookmark the horizon drugs website...I ordered from them in March and still have not received anything, so I ordered from another company and received them yesterday... so dont use horizon drugs mad.gif
SFgirl
Hi Lori,
I'm not able to find the information you requested on the Bio-K web site. If you explore the site further, look into the Clinical Studies section. The link titled "Other Therapeutic Applications of Probiotics" addresses other uses. If you're interested in clinical studies on the effects of probiotics on vaginosis, Google "probiotics vaginosis."

As a side note, I came to this board to share my own experiences with BV and was looking for a safe, supportive environment. I'm not interested in being exposed to the "mud-slinging" that emerged in the last few posts. Lori, I think it would serve you well to explore how you are engaging with other members on this forum. Your last few posts have an aggressive tone and in certain cases, "minimize" other member's experiences with BV, such as mine.

I wish you all well,
SFgirl

Other Therapeutic Applications of Probiotics
http://www.biokplus.com/Contenu.aspx?nav_i...8&lang_id=A

Testimonial
http://www.biokplus.com/Testimonial.aspx?n...0&lang_id=A
lori
QUOTE(SFgirl @ May 15 2007, 08:12 AM) *
As a side note, I came to this board to share my own experiences with BV and was looking for a safe, supportive environment. I'm not interested in being exposed to the "mud-slinging" that emerged in the last few posts. Lori, I think it would serve you well to explore how you are engaging with other members on this forum. Your last few posts have an aggressive tone and in certain cases, "minimize" other member's experiences with BV, such as mine.

Thanks for answering my question about the Bio-K, SFgirl. I hope you don't think that I was belittling anything you said. You have to admit that BV triggering IBS sounds pretty uncommon - so my comment was one of pure surprise, but not skepticism. And I appreciate that you shared it, because it may help others who might deal with the same symptoms.

I think this is one of those times I failed to accurately communicate my tone on the net.

QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 15 2007, 07:35 AM) *
As for me. I know I'm a bitch, I'll admit it. And there's days that I just don't feel like answering the same questions over and over and over again, so I will say READ THE FRICKEN BOARD.

If you're tired of answering questions, it would probably better if you just ignored them. Right?

Sassy, I have read most of the thread, so I know there are spammers and hucksters to deal with. But I don't think we should abuse newbies without knowing who they are first. A lot of newbies are not spammers, but bona fide BV sufferers.

Anyway, I'm not looking to start a fight with anyone. I just thought there was bit of unwarranted rudeness towards newbies going on.

But it won't happen anymore, so I'm done.
arj75
Good afternoon everyone,

I found a doctor's list of herbal treatments for BV. I haven't heard of half of that crap, nor do I know how much or how often to use. It wasn't listed, so I know they aren't trying to sell it. lol. Geranium, althea, echinacea, hydrastis, usnea. I will look later tonight (elsewhere) and see if I can find the dosing and amounts that should be tried. It might help, might not. If anyone wants to read the article it was by Dr. David K. Shefrin. It had some suggestions for hormonal vaginosis too.
jewelscando
I don't reply, most of the time, until I can't help it.

All of us were knew at one time. And if you are a true B.V. suffererer, you spend hours, trying to find a cure, solution, anything to help you with it. It would be in all new comers best interest to read the boards. Instead of taking the "Lazy" way out, and just keep asking the same thing.

Thanks to all of you who do that. Obviously, I have no problem answering a question, but only to people who I know have done some research. I can't give you the answer for your body!! Morphia taught us that!!! wink.gif So, it's a process of elimanation. Before all the new comers came on, we had went through a LIST OF ITEMS that we tried, until we found some stuff that worked FOR OUR BODIES. If you go back and read, maybe something that did not work for me, might work for you? Like Apple Cidar Vinegar. Or, Aloe Vera Juice. Or the Jamu Stick. There's tons of things that we have tried, and numerous things that have been discussed, that if you just take the time, you will read it. Being that we all update on a regular basis!!!

Mine right now is Flagyl vaginally. IS IT A CURE? HELL NO. But does it work without GIVING MY BODY ANY BAD SIDE EFFECTS, Hell yes. But it took me a year to find it. And Flagyl vaginally does not work for everyone!! So...as the old saying goes, SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND. But take it upon yourself to find the answers.

BY THE WAY, ENZARA DOES NOT WORK!!! DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!!! Several of us ladies on this board bought it, with the same results. NOTHING!!

Lori...I'm horrible with communicating my tone on the net. So, as you read this, understand that I am not mad, or angry, or trying to be a bitch. I know it comes across that way, but seriously, that's not how I'm thinking as I'm typing this.

We all need each other girls. For those of us who are serious about finding a solution...we need to be here for each other. Period the end....
Aggravated
I am going to see my gyno. tomorrow. Some of you have mentioned not having insurance and are unable to go to the doctor. If any of you have any questions about some of the things you are using that you would like me to ask her about, let me know. I will check back here before I go to bed tonight.
arj75
The more I read about Clidamycin, the more I know it is made by the devil. I wish I would have never used that. I read several articles confirming the same information..wipes out both good and bad bacteria.

Jewels, ... the herbal products that I listed earlier on here..have they already been tried by you all? Because I have been reading about bv for months(not at this site) and thats the first I found of those...

All I know is I'm am volunteering myself as a lab rat to the first bv research group I can find.


Morphia
QUOTE(arj75 @ May 15 2007, 07:28 PM) *
The more I read about Clidamycin, the more I know it is made by the devil. I wish I would have never used that. I read several articles confirming the same information..wipes out both good and bad bacteria.



I actually knew this before I took the Clindesse. But I figured "My doctor is so damn good, he couldn't possibly screw me over." Well, he did. I'll have to tell him what I know now. Its just a tragedy that its too late for me. I actually almost didn't take the Clindesse and almost requested a script for Flagyl but as I said, I trusted my doctor. I should have trusted my gut instinct. I emailed that Dr. Christian guy telling him how my doctor gave me the Clindesse as my first ever round of treatment and asked him if he could advise on where to go from here, since the Flagyl didn't work. I hope he responds.
arj75
I hope he replies and does so in a timely manner. Let us know whatever you find out. I'm about to finish my period and I have the rephresh shit..which the directions said I should have used before I started my period..afraid to use anything else inside her at this point..I know I have damaged the tissue up there. I have to be very careful for a while.
anitsirhc
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 15 2007, 12:25 AM) *
Ok, I know I said I wasn't coming back but I can't leave. I'm terrified right now. I found this at the vaginosis site: "Clindesse should not be prescibed for this condition". I also read somewhere else on the site that it shouldn't be prescribed for a first time diagnosis. Well my doctor prescribed it to me for my first time diagnosis! I'm just scared and trying to hold back tears as I think about the fact that I could have had this beat with Flagyl the first time around and I'm so angry with my doctor.


i didn't know that! my doctor prescribed it to me when i was first diagnosed with it too.

QUOTE(lori @ May 15 2007, 12:44 AM) *
How many times have you used Clindesse? Unless you used it twice in 90 days (according to this guy), you probably have nothing to worry about. Your body isn't screwed up forever, so you need to calm down.

i read somewhere too that you are not supposed to take clindesse more than once within 90 days. the first time i took clindesse i got a yeast infection, but i wasn't sure what it was so i went back to the doctor and she said it was still the bv and gave me the 2nd clindesse. which made my yeast infection worse and probably messed me up with bv even more. ohh this makes me so pissed!!!!!! and you know what? i saw that doctor maybe 2 more times after that, and then the 3rd time i went to go see here (cause i still wasn't better) she was gone... good sign right? probably got fired. this was back in august.

it is really frustrating and annoying when you find out these things you wish you would have known before. i hope you feel better morphia, i know exactly how you feel.

anywayyyy... my update: i was good for a while after i did the flagyl vaginally and took azo yeast and rephresh. but when i got my period i stopped using the rephresh. now it's back badddd. even after i startede using the rephresh again. so i think i might insert another flagyl and then start with the rephresh again. but i'm really really itchy lately. i treated myself twice for a yeast infection (first time with yeast guard homeopathic yeast infection crap and then 2nd time with monistat) so i don't know if i'm itchy from a yeast infection or bv or both. so i don't know what to do. i don't know if i should go to the doctor first and find out what it is or just insert the flagyl. maybe i should go to the doctor first since i might have a yeast infection and flagyl will only make it worse. blahhh I HATE THIS!!!! mad.gif
Morphia
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 15 2007, 09:33 PM) *
i didn't know that! my doctor prescribed it to me when i was first diagnosed with it too.
i read somewhere too that you are not supposed to take clindesse more than once within 90 days. the first time i took clindesse i got a yeast infection, but i wasn't sure what it was so i went back to the doctor and she said it was still the bv and gave me the 2nd clindesse. which made my yeast infection worse and probably messed me up with bv even more. ohh this makes me so pissed!!!!!! and you know what? i saw that doctor maybe 2 more times after that, and then the 3rd time i went to go see here (cause i still wasn't better) she was gone... good sign right? probably got fired. this was back in august.

it is really frustrating and annoying when you find out these things you wish you would have known before. i hope you feel better morphia, i know exactly how you feel.

anywayyyy... my update: i was good for a while after i did the flagyl vaginally and took azo yeast and rephresh. but when i got my period i stopped using the rephresh. now it's back badddd. even after i startede using the rephresh again. so i think i might insert another flagyl and then start with the rephresh again. but i'm really really itchy lately. i treated myself twice for a yeast infection (first time with yeast guard homeopathic yeast infection crap and then 2nd time with monistat) so i don't know if i'm itchy from a yeast infection or bv or both. so i don't know what to do. i don't know if i should go to the doctor first and find out what it is or just insert the flagyl. maybe i should go to the doctor first since i might have a yeast infection and flagyl will only make it worse. blahhh I HATE THIS!!!! mad.gif


Please go to the doctor first. I strongly suggest that you ALWAYS go to the doctor to make damn sure that it is what you think it is. When I feel symptoms I KNOW its bv but I make a doctors appointment just so I can hear him say it. Besides, I know there is still plenty of room for me to be wrong.

Does anyone here know how long Flagyl stays in your sytem and fights off the BV?
NotCatEyed
I have a new BV treatment option that I like. I thought I could share it with you ladies. I was talking to a friend who is very fond of the lemon juice/cayenne/maple syrup fasts for flushing out the system, and I thought the acidity of the lemon juice may be of help to me(of course nix the sugar because that wouldn't help at all).
So, I'm not fasting, but I have been eating no/low sugar diet....and I am drinking lots of very lemony water, which I find quite yummy, and I feel better!! I was itchy and uncomfortable 2 days ago, and a few bucks worth of lemons and I swear I feel a difference. I can see how the vitamin c plus the acidity are both helpful in fighting BV. I am traveling in asia so my treatment options are really limited. But when life gives you lemons!!

I also am using garlic clove suppositories, which is another way of reducing symptoms. So, anyway, if people are looking for non-antibiotic remedies this might be one of them worth trying. It's cheap and natural: Garlic and lemons. I am going to add some hot pepper to the lemon juice if I can tolerate it, because that is supposed to also really help. I will give an update on how well it works in the longer term.
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 15 2007, 09:24 PM) *
Please go to the doctor first. I strongly suggest that you ALWAYS go to the doctor to make damn sure that it is what you think it is. When I feel symptoms I KNOW its bv but I make a doctors appointment just so I can hear him say it. Besides, I know there is still plenty of room for me to be wrong.

I totally agree with this.

QUOTE(NotCatEyed @ May 15 2007, 10:01 PM) *
So, I'm not fasting, but I have been eating no/low sugar diet....and I am drinking lots of very lemony water, which I find quite yummy, and I feel better!! I was itchy and uncomfortable 2 days ago, and a few bucks worth of lemons and I swear I feel a difference. I can see how the vitamin c plus the acidity are both helpful in fighting BV. I am traveling in asia so my treatment options are really limited. But when life gives you lemons!!

I think what you eat does make a difference. I've been trying to stop drinking diet soda because it is a base and we want our kitties to be more acidic. I don't know that it's going to make a huge difference, but it can only help.

I guess taking vit.C supplements are also a good idea.

QUOTE(Aggravated @ May 15 2007, 03:25 PM) *
I am going to see my gyno. tomorrow. Some of you have mentioned not having insurance and are unable to go to the doctor. If any of you have any questions about some of the things you are using that you would like me to ask her about, let me know. I will check back here before I go to bed tonight.

That is so nice of you, Aggravated! Maybe you could ask her about Clindamycin. Seems a few ladies are upset about having taken it. I'd like to know more about it, too.
Morphia
QUOTE(lori @ May 16 2007, 12:12 AM) *
I guess taking vit.C supplements are also a good idea.
That is so nice of you, Aggravated! Maybe you could ask her about Clindamycin. Seems a few ladies are upset about having taken it. I'd like to know more about it, too.



Yes, please ask about the Clindamycin. That is a HUGE concern of mine....Clearly. lol.
anitsirhc
ok, i will go to the doctor first. thanks for the advice. it's just that i've given up on doctors and figure what's the point if she tells me the same thing every single time. well anyway i will go in a few days and let everyone know on here what happens. i have a feeling i have bv and a yeast infection. i like the lemon and garlic idea. i might try it out. smile.gif
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 15 2007, 05:43 PM) *
I actually knew this before I took the Clindesse. But I figured "My doctor is so damn good, he couldn't possibly screw me over." Well, he did. I'll have to tell him what I know now. Its just a tragedy that its too late for me. I actually almost didn't take the Clindesse and almost requested a script for Flagyl but as I said, I trusted my doctor. I should have trusted my gut instinct.

Not to put you on the spot, Morphia, but aren't you taking flagyl now? And you told us it's not working. You even said you knew it wouldn't work even before you took it. But then it's a "tragedy" that you took clindamycin?

Geez, you're so overdramatic.

Look girl, I'm not trying to make fun of you. But your hysteria is kind of entertaining. You read one sentence from some website and you're freaking out on the "verge of tears." The way you're always this close to popping a vein is really quite funny.

But seriously, you're not doing yourself a lot of favors. Everyone's goal in here is to become healthy, and beat this thing, and I wish the same for you. It really makes me feel bad for you to see you get so worked up over what is probably nothing.

You need a vacation from your vagina.

(Well, I guess we all could use one.)
bvgirl
QUOTE(sciongal @ May 15 2007, 10:03 AM) *
Hi there, before you bookmark the horizon drugs website...I ordered from them in March and still have not received anything, so I ordered from another company and received them yesterday... so dont use horizon drugs mad.gif


Hello Sciongal..
Yes, that does sound like a problem with you not receiving your order in a timely matter. If this is a pattern with this company I probably should look into another company.. Thanks for the warning..
arj75
Just here to vent my confusion about lactobacillus bacteria...they secrete hydrogen perioxide and lactic acid. When people are sick or in high stress abnormal levels of this acid are found in the body....it's bad on the body because it wants to maintain a more basic ph 7.35-7.45 and it has to work harder. But in our smelly cats, we are having problems keeping this good bacteria...WTF? Shouldn't it be easier to keep em if we are always stressed about our stinch??? What does this other bacteria that is supossed to be (bad )secrete do scienctist even know since some of these bacteria don't even have a name yet???

Science now can grow football fields of peoples skin in labs....I want some of my own lactobacillus bacteria reproduced and inserted back in my kitty!!!!!!!
jewelscando
Horizon drugs was one I had saved in my favorites for some reason. And now that you all are talking about it, I think you're right. It took me along time to get it. I think I had to finally send an email to Customer Service, and then I finally got it, or I cancelled it?? I don't remember.

But there's tons of places online that you can buy it. Some have the 500mg some have less. I personally like the 500mg. I have the 200 as well, but it doesn't seem to work as good.

I've been stressing alot latey, hence the messages back and forth...been feeling or think I was smelling the B.V. coming back, however, had sex last night, AND ZERO SMELL. So....I agree with the whole stress thing. I think we worry so much about this shit, that we can smell it in our heads!!!! wink.gif
arj75
I'm sure that what I'm gonna say has already been discussed on countless posts, but I'm still freaking out about the toilet paper harvesting bacteria. Please be careful when in restrooms or even your own home. These harmful bacteria are hanging around somewhere. We are just the unlucky few that have weak immunce systems and can't fight them off fast enough before everything else gets back in balance. Do you all think that simple soap and water and laundry soap can kill this stuff? I sure as hell hope so. I'm becoming germophobic. Many women have this bv, and are nasty, don't wash their hands..blah blah blah....
sciongal
QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 16 2007, 06:37 AM) *
Horizon drugs was one I had saved in my favorites for some reason. And now that you all are talking about it, I think you're right. It took me along time to get it. I think I had to finally send an email to Customer Service, and then I finally got it, or I cancelled it?? I don't remember.

But there's tons of places online that you can buy it. Some have the 500mg some have less. I personally like the 500mg. I have the 200 as well, but it doesn't seem to work as good.

I've been stressing alot latey, hence the messages back and forth...been feeling or think I was smelling the B.V. coming back, however, had sex last night, AND ZERO SMELL. So....I agree with the whole stress thing. I think we worry so much about this shit, that we can smell it in our heads!!!! wink.gif


Jewels, I can totally relate about stressing out about the bv and then thinking that I smell it. I work in a hospital and I know some the patients have it, then I start freaking out that it's me AAARRRGGGGHH!!! I am having my monthly right now and I have been using boric suppositories, but I don't think they're working...when I used yeast arrest, Ihad no problems but with just boric capsules that I make at home it does'nt seem to work,,, so I took a tea tree suppository to work (just in case) and I kept thinking about what Lori said in her blog that using the tea tree is like a "altoid for your vagina" OMG!! I laughed so hard it almost fell out! laugh.gif laugh.gif
Morphia
QUOTE(lori @ May 16 2007, 04:24 AM) *
Not to put you on the spot, Morphia, but aren't you taking flagyl now? And you told us it's not working. You even said you knew it wouldn't work even before you took it. But then it's a "tragedy" that you took clindamycin?

Geez, you're so overdramatic.

Look girl, I'm not trying to make fun of you. But your hysteria is kind of entertaining. You read one sentence from some website and you're freaking out on the "verge of tears." The way you're always this close to popping a vein is really quite funny.

But seriously, you're not doing yourself a lot of favors. Everyone's goal in here is to become healthy, and beat this thing, and I wish the same for you. It really makes me feel bad for you to see you get so worked up over what is probably nothing.

You need a vacation from your vagina.

(Well, I guess we all could use one.)


Lori, You just can't stop? Can You? It wasn't that one website that I read. As I said in what you quoted I'd read about Clindamycin before I even read what that site had to say. The day I was diagnosed with BV (April 9th) I did research on the best treatments for bv and thats when I read about the Clindamycin. The doctor gave me the Clindesse on the 10th. It was after my symptoms worsened and reading what this particular site said that just drove it home for me. What all of us is going through is a tragedy. This particular infection has taken so much from a lot of the women here that I can't consider it anything else. Also, you have no idea the list of gynecological problems I've had to deal with. I've probably been through so much more shit than you have already and I'm only 21. This bv is just the last straw on the camel's back for me. I've dealt with a precancerous condition (VIN) that primarily affects women in their 50's and older. I had to have that painfully lasered off of my vulva a year ago. (It was first diagnosed as herpes, so I thought I had herpes for about 6 months till they finally biopsied). I got genital warts from the bf I had before this one after having sex with him once. Had to battle those little fuckers for about 6 months. And before that I had genital molluscum contagiosum that I got from a dirty towel when I was visiting my ex in the barracks and I had to battle those for over 2 years. And now I'm dealing with the bv although I know I got it when I contracted the warts from my ex. So, I've had it for over a year. I thought I was battling yeast infections this entire time. So now that you know, if you have nothing nice to say to me then please keep your comments to yourself. So far you've been more hurtful than you've been helpful.

After all that I've dealt with I have a fucking right to be as dramatic as I want to be. My entire youth has been nothing but one big gynecological problem. So you can shut the fuck up.


To the rest of you ladies. Just wanted to remind you that I have my colpo on Friday and I'll have him check me for any infections. I'll come back and let you know how everything went. I'm afraid to say that I have a good feeling about it because I don't want to jinx it. But...I think the flagyl worked. Last night I had pain free sex that lasted longer than 3 minutes. Well, it hurt a little at first but once things started moving it didn't hurt anymore. And I don't feel the burn anymore. I felt it all day yesterday. I actually think the sex helped!
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 16 2007, 10:08 AM) *
After all that I've dealt with I have a fucking right to be as dramatic as I want to be. My entire youth has been nothing but one big gynecological problem. So you can shut the fuck up.

...

But...I think the flagyl worked.

I'm very sorry you've had so many gyno-problems. That sounds awful. And I'm so happy for you that the flagyl worked.

But that's exactly what I'm saying. You never gave the flagyl a chance to work - you've been whining every single day for a week that the flagyl wouldn't work, that it's not working, and still not working ...

And now it's working! Yay! Finally you have some relief. And I'm really glad for you.

But all that worrying did you no good, right? It just made things worse, and drove you crazy. It's clear you're just working yourself up into a hysterical state and it's not helping you.

I'm NOT saying you have no reason to be worried and upset - you've been through a lot. But you are under the care of a doctor, and you are taking medication.

So you need to calm down and stop expecting the worst. I'm not telling you these things to be mean. I think you need to hear it from someone. And since you feel compelled to continue to post here, you should accept what people have to say. I know telling someone to "calm down" is easier said than done, but you still have to try. Because what you're doing? It's no good.
arj75
Morphia, I can only imagine the grief and sadness that you must be experiencing right now, and just trying to empathize your pain is overwelming to me. If you have insurance, keep going to the doctor until you become a pain in their ass until they refer you to a specialist.

I'm worried about maybe having a staff infection or something, I have been running a low grade fever for the past few days. At what point is it a vaginal emergency to go to the doctor? Planned parenthood rescheduled me in on the 30th. I already used the refresh earlier because I thought I was finished.... I'm not going to the hospital at a small town where I live, I do know that.

My last visit at my gyno..the best place in my town to go, they were discussing my issues out in the hall, where everyone can hear... Loudly saying.. call the hospital make sure she was checked for HIV.. I don't have HIV, but you all can understand how rumors get started I'm sure.

A lawsuit a fucking brewing???? You better believe it, especially after giving me the devils drug.
lori
QUOTE(arj75 @ May 16 2007, 11:18 AM) *
At what point is it a vaginal emergency to go to the doctor? Planned parenthood rescheduled me in on the 30th.

Bummer.

Will PP see you if you have an emergency?

Didn't you say you had blood in your discharge? I'd say that's an emergency. Not to mention the fever.

Your appointment is in 2 weeks. My vote is that you should try to make it to PP or another doctor sooner, if at all possible.
neverending
Arj75: Has your town ever heard of HIPPA? Damn, people are soooo insensitive these days. Not only do you have to worry about the damn discharge but now you have to worry about folks thinking you have HIV. People think this shit is funny but it's honestly not. I had a rumor started about me like that and I wanted die but after a while I just said fuck it. Who cares!
babs
Lori-
In regards to your BV blog, one thing I read on one of the many posts here was that Tetrasil ointment was recommended by several members. Having BV for 28 years myself, and willing to try anything, and have tried many many things, I tried this one. I bought it online, $26 with shipping. I tried it for the first time Monday. Inserted it several times monday and tues. Today, I think I am getting a raging yeast infection now. mad.gif
Now I will spend more money on an over the counter yeast cream, and then in a few days, be back to where I started, just minus approx $40 between the Tetrasil and the OTC yeast cream. (sigh) So......if you want to add this info to your blog, it may save another BV sufferer from the expense. My recommendation is: I DONT recommend it. So, I will continue to read the blogs and try things that seem promising to all of you, and hope and pray that something works. I just read an article in a health magazine that BV is THE MOST COMMON vaginal problem in women. Then why....WHY can't the Medical community find something that works other than the antibiotics? What about the ones who cant take them, like me?
Ok, sorry to go on and on. But, I wanted to pass this on to you for your blog.
lori
QUOTE(babs @ May 16 2007, 11:53 AM) *
So......if you want to add this info to your blog, it may save another BV sufferer from the expense. My recommendation is: I DONT recommend it.

Thanks babs! Of course I will add it.

QUOTE(babs @ May 16 2007, 11:53 AM) *
I just read an article in a health magazine that BV is THE MOST COMMON vaginal problem in women. Then why....WHY can't the Medical community find something that works other than the antibiotics? What about the ones who cant take them, like me?

*sigh* No kidding.
Morphia
Lori, I've learned over the years that the higher the hopes the harder the fall. So I tend to keep mine pretty damn low. I'm always preparing myself for and expecting the worst. Believe it or not, its easier that way.
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 16 2007, 12:20 PM) *
Lori, I've learned over the years that the higher the hopes the harder the fall. So I tend to keep mine pretty damn low. I'm always preparing myself for and expecting the worst. Believe it or not, its easier that way.

Okay.
anitsirhc
ok well i called my doctor to make an appointment hoping i could go in today or tomorrow cause i'm itching and burning like crazyyyy. i did have sex last night though like a stupid idiot so that could be why it's worse today. well anyway, they didn't have anything till monday so i just said screw it i'm not waiting and i went and bought yeast arrest. i was hesitant to try that cause i don't want to deal with it leaking out in the summer cause it's beach time but i figure if i'm going to the beach i just won't use it in the morning and wait till after instead. so i just started it now. i figure if i have a yeast infection or bv or both this will help anyway so what's the harm. if it doesn't start to go away then i will go to the doctor. i was going to use the flagyl vaginally but since i'm burning/itching i thought it probably wasn't a good idea. so i'll keep updating and let everyone know how the yeast arrest works for me. i've also been taking azo yeast and i think i will start to take garlic cause it's recommended on the yeast arrest instructions.

morphia, i can't believe how much you've been through. that's horrible. i know how you feel though freaking out about the bv. i've had mine since august and when i finally decided to take matters into my own hands instead of listening to the doctors and did some research online i found this. i started at the beginning and read almost all of it and i cried every time i read it (it took me a few days to get through all of it) because i was so scared reading that people have had this for years and still haven't found a way to get rid of it (when i read it nobody really had found anything that worked very well yet.) so i understand how scary it is to realize that it could be something permanent that you'll always have to deal with and that doctors screwed you over. but now, since i've been dealing with it for about 10 months i just kind of calmed down cause i realized there are ways to deal with it and keep it away even if i have to do something for the rest of my life to keep it gone (i know that doesn't sound so good either but it's better than having bv all the time.) so i'm sure you'll realize that eventually too, just keep reminding yourself you have to find what works for you. and you will find something eventually. i think when you start getting emotional and freaking out just try and think you will figure it out eventually, it's just taking time. maybe that can help you to calm down. hope this helps a little bit, hang in there.
anitsirhc
lori - in your blog you talk about buying things at whole foods refrigerated. i went to my whole foods today and i can't find anything like that refrigerated. i know since we don't go to the same one you can't really help me but do you have any idea where in the store it would be? maybe mine just doesn't have it. dry.gif

or does anyone know?
neverending
Has anyone tried oatstraw tea?
lori
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 16 2007, 12:45 PM) *
lori - in your blog you talk about buying things at whole foods refrigerated. i went to my whole foods today and i can't find anything like that refrigerated. i know since we don't go to the same one you can't really help me but do you have any idea where in the store it would be? maybe mine just doesn't have it. dry.gif

Where I shop, it is near the vitamins section - they also keep flax seed oil and other stuff in the fridge. Mine has a big sign that says "probiotics."

Ask someone who works there.
arj75
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 16 2007, 02:45 PM) *
lori - in your blog you talk about buying things at whole foods refrigerated. i went to my whole foods today and i can't find anything like that refrigerated. i know since we don't go to the same one you can't really help me but do you have any idea where in the store it would be? maybe mine just doesn't have it. dry.gif

or does anyone know?


I looked for the product that I was interested in trying, and did a search online for a store closest to me that carried it. Then I called to see if they had it and if it was kept in cooler....
anitsirhc
sorry if someone already posted this but i found a site that ships the fem-dophilus in an iced package. this is the link:

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails....p;pid=JRW-03005

it's also cheaper than what you posted as the price on your blog, lori. and thanks for your answers about the refrigerater stuff. smile.gif i'll probably just buy it from here though.

they have this one too, Nature's Way Primadophilus Reuteri, i think someone talked about it on here before but not sure, i read about it somewhere else online.

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails....p;pid=NWY-15024

the site is http://www.iherb.com/store/ and they ship everything that needs to be refrigerated in an iced package so you should check it out if you can't find it like that in a store.
Morphia
anitsirhc, thanks for your kind words and support. I really needed that. As an update. I'm trying to be more positive and I hate to retract my statement earlier "I think the flagyl worked." Well, now I know it didn't work. The burning has returned and so has the discharge. The smell isn't so nice either. Can we say cheesy? lol. I'm all white and smelly down there. I know the Flagyl helped a great deal. But did it actually work. No. But I still want to hear it from my doctor. You think that maybe a longer course of the Flagyl will knock it out since it seemed to help so much in the first place?

And anitsirhc, about that site you posted, I'm pissed! lol. I just ordered over 45 bucks worth of Femdophilus from Vitacost and by the time they finally got to me the bottles were hot! I doubt this shit will work for me now.
ilovehim
QUOTE(arj75 @ May 14 2007, 08:46 PM) *
Good evening everyone,

maybe I'm just seeing things, but it looked as if he was offering to answer any questions or concerns that we may have, and he listed his info at the site. www.vaginosis.com

Good Night everyone.

Glad your feeling better ilovehim!



No, you're not just "seeing things", actually a few months ago, out pof desperation, I emailed him. I told him about my problems with b.v. Very nice of him, he replied. But like usual didn't give me much of a valid answer. I sent him a second e-mail and asked him if it would be of any benefit to me to insert yogurt vaginally. (At the time I had been doing this), but to my dismay he never replied to this question. It hurts me to recognize that even specialists in this disease are as clueless as we are! =(
sciongal
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 16 2007, 02:24 PM) *
anitsirhc, thanks for your kind words and support. I really needed that. As an update. I'm trying to be more positive and I hate to retract my statement earlier "I think the flagyl worked." Well, now I know it didn't work. The burning has returned and so has the discharge. The smell isn't so nice either. Can we say cheesy? lol. I'm all white and smelly down there. I know the Flagyl helped a great deal. But did it actually work. No. But I still want to hear it from my doctor. You think that maybe a longer course of the Flagyl will knock it out since it seemed to help so much in the first place?

And anitsirhc, about that site you posted, I'm pissed! lol. I just ordered over 45 bucks worth of Femdophilus from Vitacost and by the time they finally got to me the bottles were hot! I doubt this shit will work for me now.



Hi Morphia,
did you take the flagyl orally or vaginally, just wondering...
ilovehim
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 14 2007, 11:25 PM) *
I also read somewhere else on the site that it shouldn't be prescribed for a first time diagnosis. Well my doctor prescribed it to me for my first time diagnosis! I could have had this beat with Flagyl the first time around and I'm so angry with my doctor. He's supposed to be one of the best where I live. I may not be here right now if it weren't for that God forsaken Clindesse!


Oh... why is it that this isn't shocking news to me? huh.gif Oh I know!... Maybe it's because Godamned doctors don't give a hoot about us! But i'll tell you what they really care about: MONEY! Come on, we all know he was aware of what medication to use! For crying out loud when are doctors going to stop being so fucking selfish! He knew that he was going to cause more problems than he would be solving. They just want us to keep coming back to them, desperate, seeking answers and obviously a decent cure. But that's not what they're giving us. We are their victims mad.gif !
ilovehim
QUOTE(lori @ May 15 2007, 12:30 AM) *
STOP THINKING ABOUT YOUR VAGINA. I know it's hard because it's burning and everything, but just don't think about it before the appointment. The more you think about it, the more you obsess, and the more you go on crazy freak-outs. It's totally useless, because there's nothing you can do until you see your doctor.

Think about shopping. Or watch a good movie. Give yourself a makeover. I don't know what relaxes you, but you know what I mean.

If you absolutely can't stop thinking about it, as bvgirl suggested, type out all your concerns and questions so you can bring it with you when you go to your dr's appointment.



Most definately! I couldn't agree more with this answer. The best thing to do is avoid thinking about BV at all costs. The only thing stress does is make matters worse. Tell me about it i've been taking Zoloft. & I owe it all to BV...Atleast it helps me cope with this shit!

I still can't stop my paranoid thoughts! Last night I went to a party with my boyfriend, and I felt so humiliated and disgusted with myself. The minute I walked in there everyone turned the other way. I got that feeling you get when you're in school and go sit in someone elses table and everyone rejects you. OR better yet when you get on the school bus and none of the kids want you to sit next to them. I was so ASHAMED! sad.gif *tears*

Q:Can anyone please tell me if I can use tampons? I can't stop the odor while using pads and this is bringing me down!
lori
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 16 2007, 01:39 PM) *
sorry if someone already posted this but i found a site that ships the fem-dophilus in an iced package. this is the link:

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails....p;pid=JRW-03005

it's also cheaper than what you posted as the price on your blog, lori. and thanks for your answers about the refrigerater stuff. smile.gif i'll probably just buy it from here though.

That is awesome, anitsirhc! I've been looking for something like that. The best I found online was at www.n101.com (they also stored it in the fridge and shipped it in a cold-pack) which I posted in this board, but for some reason I left it out of my blog. Brain fart.

The price here is even better. I think I will buy mine from here in the future, too. Thanks!

QUOTE(neverending @ May 16 2007, 01:11 PM) *
Has anyone tried oatstraw tea?

No. Do I drink it, or douche with it? (One can never tell tongue.gif )
ilovehim
QUOTE(NotCatEyed @ May 16 2007, 12:01 AM) *
I have a new BV treatment option that I like. I thought I could share it with you ladies. I was talking to a friend who is very fond of the lemon juice/cayenne/maple syrup fasts for flushing out the system, and I thought the acidity of the lemon juice may be of help to me(of course nix the sugar because that wouldn't help at all).
So, I'm not fasting, but I have been eating no/low sugar diet....and I am drinking lots of very lemony water, which I find quite yummy, and I feel better!! I was itchy and uncomfortable 2 days ago, and a few bucks worth of lemons and I swear I feel a difference. I can see how the vitamin c plus the acidity are both helpful in fighting BV. I am traveling in asia so my treatment options are really limited. But when life gives you lemons!!

I also am using garlic clove suppositories, which is another way of reducing symptoms. So, anyway, if people are looking for non-antibiotic remedies this might be one of them worth trying. It's cheap and natural: Garlic and lemons. I am going to add some hot pepper to the lemon juice if I can tolerate it, because that is supposed to also really help. I will give an update on how well it works in the longer term.



Thats something i never heard of! But it sounds like it's worth a try. Besides what could we possibly lose? I'm a little confused though because I thought lemon is alkaline once it enters the body not acidic. Can you explain this better to me?
ilovehim
QUOTE(neverending @ May 16 2007, 01:45 PM) *
Arj75: Has your town ever heard of HIPPA? Damn, people are soooo insensitive these days. Not only do you have to worry about the damn discharge but now you have to worry about folks thinking you have HIV. People think this shit is funny but it's honestly not. I had a rumor started about me like that and I wanted die but after a while I just said fuck it. Who cares!



Same here girlfriend! Especially since I lost weight dramatically after having my son. Via C-section...I wonder, would my BV be worse if i had given birth vaginally?
Aggravated
Sorry ladies. We had storms here last night and I lost my internet service until now. I didn't ask my doctor about the Clindamycin. I know a lot of you are worried about that...maybe someone else with an appointment soon could ask? Sorry again.
As for me, she told me that the "wiff test" came out good...no smell. She then looked under the microscope and said that she could see what might be the beginning of a BV infection, but not serious yet...well, the fact is it never really went away in the last year, but she seems to think I'm dealing with normal discharge...it's NOT normal!
Anyway, she wrote me a prescription for MetroGel. Gave me 3 refills and told me to use it just once a week for 2 or 3 months, instead of the normal full week of 5 to 7 days in a row. I told her the MetroGel hasn't worked for me since the first time I used it, but she seems to think using it this way will keep me in balance. She also told me I could use probiotics, but by the time they get to where they need to be, it's not as helpful as you might wish because a lot of it is destroyed in the stomach acid (even though they claim to have coating to prevent that).
She told me that the HP washes are ok to do, not harmful, but they could dry me out (haven't had that problem) and not to do it too often because too much could throw me off balance as well. She said that she doesn't reccomend using Rephresh because that can dry you out too. She also told me the usual, not staying in a wet bathing suit, no baths, no soap down there...same old same old...nothing new. Sorry I can't be more help.
Morphia
Here's another reason why I worry about Clindamycin. This is a reply to a message that I posted at another forum. Cleocin=oral clindamycin. But I'm sure you already know that.

QUOTE
You need to try one treatment at a time. After each treatment, go to your doctor and get checked and have a culture to make sure that you are clean. It will take some time for the BV to disappear. I was taking Cleocin for 2 weeks straight and then, I started incorporating yogurt and acidophilus w/ bifidus. Since then, I've been clean since November 2006.

The only battle I have now is with the rare yeast infection. No OTC drugs has effect on it. Diflucan doesn't work. My infection has grown resistant to all the treatments. I've tried terazol and the boric acid. Currently, I'm being treated with gentian violet. I go to my doctor for 12 days and have them administer the purple dye in my vagina. So, I'm hoping this will work. I was also told to do a douche of vinegar with water and salt, only to be sprayed on the outside and not inside like a "regular" douche and rub some cornstarch.


I firmly believe that the Cleocin is what assisted her in getting this rare strain of yeast and that the yeast just replaced the bv. There was a battle in her vagina and the yeast won. She said in another post that she has the Candida Glabrata form. That shit is damn near impossible to kill.

I told her that the Cleocin will be my last resort.

Also, read this woman's story. I did read this entire thread but can't remember if what she dealt with was mentioned here or not.

http://hpvsupport.com/viewtopic.php?t=6953...erial+vaginosis

Also, do a search for bacterial vaginosis on that board. Apparently its pretty common with those with HPV.
bvgirl
Hello ladies..

You know what I have to agree and agree again that bv is such a stressor. I mean actually having to always sniff yourself (for me it is every minute of the day) to check and see if the bv is becoming reactive again. To wonder if people are smelling you and then they wonder about your cleanliness(oh my gosh). To sit frustrated and exhausted because a product and or a medicine did not work or better yet to use a product and it rids you of the bv but then it comes right back unannounced..

It is a total huge pain. But I will continue to fight.

Just needed to vent a little..
lori
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 16 2007, 05:24 PM) *
Also, read this woman's story. I did read this entire thread but can't remember if what she dealt with was mentioned here or not.

http://hpvsupport.com/viewtopic.php?t=6953...erial+vaginosis

Also, do a search for bacterial vaginosis on that board. Apparently its pretty common with those with HPV.

Wow, that is actually pretty intriguing information. Thanks Morphia!

Okay, so ladies, here's the plan. Next time you're at the gyno with another suspected BV infection, instead of the usual whiff test and/or wet mount, how about we request a culture? Get a more specific diagnosis of the exact bacteria that's messing you up. Couldn't hurt, right?

Has anyone had a culture done before? What were the results?
Morphia
QUOTE(lori @ May 16 2007, 09:33 PM) *
Wow, that is actually pretty intriguing information. Thanks Morphia!

Okay, so ladies, here's the plan. Next time you're at the gyno with another suspected BV infection, instead of the usual whiff test and/or wet mount, how about we request a culture? Get a more specific diagnosis of the exact bacteria that's messing you up. Couldn't hurt, right?

Has anyone had a culture done before? What were the results?


That is exactly what I intend to do Friday. I have it all planned out. I'm going to tell him that something isn't right and that he needs to send a culture off to the lab to make sure there isn't something we're missing. I did read something about the mycoplasma being a cause at one other place but can't remember where. So, this may be something to really consider. I also do know that there is at least one person on this board that had a culture (can't remember who) but it came back that she had nothing wrong with her. Just this inexplicable smell. She's the one that went to some reproductive specialist. Can't remember her name...

[EDIT] I also wonder if the woman in that thread who had the ureaplasma was actually tested for bv or if she was just given visual diagnoses. She doesn't seem to be around the board anymore so I can't ask. sad.gif
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