Well, on a more positive note...I can't believe it but after taking one Flagyl my burning...has stopped. Before, the only way I could get relief was by laying in bed on my back with no undies on and my knees up to my chest! Needless to say, I was trying to get as much air in there as possible. haha. It helped the burning a lot though. Maybe we should all start douching with air! LOL! The good guys need their oxygen, right? I know, I know. That's dangerous. I was only kidding. Also, my strange odor of strong vagina, old blood and iodine has decreased significantly. Its definitely a quick fix. But a long term one? For me? We'll soon find out.

I'm not here to get the last word in. I'm here to learn about this condition, and different treatment options that we all have tried. And the damn cause MOST IMPORTANTLY. As for the cat fights that keep happening...I already had myself prepared for them. Why? We are all pissed that this have screwed up our lifes, and many (like myself) are still trying to learn of how to cope. It's impossible to get this many ticked off women at one place without conflict.

Geeze, I'm sorry that I am trying to be helpful, and don't have a photogenic memory and recall of your problems with the past meds you have tried..and had no success.

I am here because I care, and care deeply.

jennifer: You are trying the botanical advantage pills now? I tried those but they didn't help at all. I know several other girls tried those a while back, including Jewels (I think), and maybe only one girl saw any help but it wasn't much.

Oh, and I'm young too--only 22!

Thanks Jewels. I appreciate you, too.

But I'd like to address a few things that were said today:

#1

I agree with the underlined statement. I've stated my reservations about vaginal-flagyl before, but no one should be using any prescriptions drugs in ways that it's not designed for. It's dangerous! You would think the fact that you get a raging yeast infection from doing it just twice in a row would tell you that something is not right.

It's fine that you've chosen to do it - it's your body. But Jewels, don't be saying stuff like this:

Why are you telling people that oral-flagyl will not work? Are you a doctor? You've admitted yourself that sticking flagyl in your vagina is only a temporary solution too, and can cause yeast infections, and that there are risks!!!


Yeah, it's just your opinion. But you still shouldn't make these sweeping statements about what will or won't work for others. Besides, the site that you cited as recommending vaginal-flagyl - keep in mind that when they say "vaginal tablet" they are talking about a suppository that is designed for vaginal use, and only available in Canada. They are not talking about tablets for oral use!

So please stop giving wrong information, and pushing methods that are potentionally dangerous. I think it's good to share your experience - but when you say stuff like this, you are pushing them on others and making false claims. Stop it.

#2
Arj75, I appreciate that you spoke out about Jewels and her pushing vaginal-flagyl - I already stated my reservations about it, but I have a real problem with her telling others that it's one of the only solutions for BV.

However, I think your discussions about BV is frankly ... a little bit out there. It's good to be sanitary and consider other theories, but you're all over the place.

#3

Once again, everyone needs to stop making these hysterial, unsubstantiated statements! I've already said my piece on the CLINDAMYCIN hysteria, but I guess I need to repeat it.

• ALL pharmaceutical drugs have a long list of contraindications of the small possibility of horrible shit that can happen - liver damage, kidney failure, jaundice, paralysis ... Did you know Flagyl gives cancer to lab mice! It's true, that's what the literature says. But I was afraid to mention it because I thought Morphia would have another conniption fit.
• Not to mention, ALL antibiotics (and every drug, really) creates resistance with mis-use. This doesn't mean you should never use them, it just means that you shouldn't use it unless you know you have a bacterial infection. And you should use them properly - that's why every doctor tells you you need to take ALL your antibiotics! Taking only one or two here and there to relieve symptoms creates resistant strains of bacteria!!! ***This is another reason why you should not be sticking this into your vagina for one or two nights every few months as Jewelscando suggests!

The lesson is? This is why you need a doctor prescribing this stuff for you! So they can confirm the bacterial infection, and so they can evaluate your body/history to see if you're at risk for any of the side effects before prescribing it to you. I know some have advocated ordering stuff online without prescriptions, but I am strongly against that.

*whew*

So, to sum up:

- No, the solutions do NOT include - sticking an unprescribed flagyl tablet up your twat. No! Just ... NO. And Jewels, please don't tell people that an oral medication taken orally is not going to work for them! The fact that it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for others.

I know many of us have been screwed over by doctors so we don't trust them. I know we are all desperate and willing to try anything. But I don't think we all should resort to sticking anything and everything into our coochies and seeing what happens. The cure can be worse than the disease! If some of you want to, go right ahead, but do not tell others that they should do it, too -Because it's one of the only solutions? -Because nothing else will work? Stop that, seriously!

- Arj75, you're all over the place. IMHO, this deathly fear of yeast is a bit of a scam cooked up by holistic natural-cure crackpots wanting to sell you voodoo pills made of grass and rabbit-poo. Okay, I'm exaggerating - I'm actually very into homeopathic solutions. But I think you're grasping at every piece of research you encounter and making it into something it's not. Healthy skepticism is a good thing.

And telling Morphia that clindamycin is "made by the devil" (that was you, right?) Yeah, you've exaggerated a little too much. Look at the monster you've created.

- Morphia, you shouldn't use clindamycin if you have concerns about it. But stop telling people it's going to give them nerve damage, just because you "firmly believe" it.

Okay, I'm done with the rant. Stop the madness, please.

Okay, once again - this site specifies that the "vaginal tablets" they are talking about is a vaginal suppository only available in Canada. Please do not take use this information to mean that you should take the regular horse pill that you swallow and stick it up your vagina.


Hey anitsirhc. I'm glad your appointment wasn't too bad. So does this mean you won't be treated for the BV, just the UTI?

If flagyl makes you violently ill, you should take clindamycin. Did your PP-doctor/RN mention that? How did they suggest you deal with the BV? If reading 96 pages of this thread has taught me anything, it's that there is no OTC cure for BV. If BV has been confirmed by an exam, you should take antibiotics.

Did they have anything to say about the lower abdominal pain you've been feeling? Is that a symptom of the UTI? (Let's hope so.)

Either way, I highly recommend that you take the fem-dophilus especially while you're taking the Septra.

Lori,

Your damn right, I'm ideas are bit out there..I'm not denying that. But don't you think it's a bit out there that scientist developed a vaccine for polio from a monkey's liver or kidneys..can't remember. That to me is "out there" lol Science is "out there".

You have said that you really didn't know much about yeast...I don't either, thats why I'm read about it for about 8 hours yesterday.

I would love to hear your feedback.

If you have time read this article..I'm sorry like I said, I have no computer skills. I'll try and figure out how to attach the link, if you are interested in reading it. I really found it interesting. I don't think it was a site selling stuff either..(could be wrong) I'll check later.

I am all over the place discussing everything I can possibly think of. I have to go back to school tommorow, and I will be very busy...

Anyways..here is that article...The V book chapter 10 yeast infections (separating the truths from the popular beliefs.

No doctor has done a yeast culture on me, (200 different strains) (that we know about)...they become just as resistant as bacteria. It bothers me that I have been on steriods and antibotics most of my life. (which breed yeast) Also, I thought it was very strange that ilovehim has had yeast infections since she was a baby. Yeast can be passed from the mother to the child. From what I have read about her past..she seems to have the worst case of this bv here.

Okay, a new post. The board has definitely gone a little bit nuts today. But I don't think it's true that there is no hope and that there are no solutions - as a couple of people have said!

1. I think we have figured out what causes the infernal cycle of BV recurrences - that the antibiotics we take to get rid of it (all that flagyl we chomp down like candy) is killing the bad bacteria for the time being, but also killing some of the good bacteria - that why they sometimes give us yeast infections - and doing nothing to make the good bacteria go back up to healthy levels.

This creates the VICIOUS CYCLE. Flagyl ==> BV ==> Flagyl ==> BV.

So logic follows that we have to help get the good bacteria up in other ways.

Oral probiotic supplements are safe when used properly, and can only help. Make sure you take the right kind - it does make a difference. Read my blog for more detailed info, but this is a safe, good solution. It's the closest thing we've got to a long term solution.

I know we all want a magic pill to make BV disappear instantly, but probiotics do take some time to build up in your body, and as I said, it's very important to take the right kind, not just any acidophilus supplement. So my suggestion is to take them regularly, and give your body the chance to recover and heal.

So I think we need to focus on a healthy vagina, not just something to kill the smell.

2. The possibility was brought up (Thanks Morphia!) that it's possible that it's not BV some of us are dealing with - but it's a whole another type of infection. This means that we are taking the wrong pills.

So what infection is it? We don't really know. It could be strep (as arj75 mentioned), or even something else. I did some preliminary research on mycoplasma genitalium (which I posted in here before) and there are some discouraging things I learned - this bacteria is very hard to detect and culture, and no one knows for sure which antibiotic works best against it.

So it's still a mystery - but the fact that we *might* be dealing with something else certainly makes sense, and being aware of that possibility is a step in the right direction.

3. Not to sound all finger-waggy, but overall health is important, too. Some of you mentioned that you smoke and take drugs. Hey, I enjoy both, but I think it's also a no-brainer that neither of them are good for you. I don't need to cite scientific studies about why smoking is bad for you - you already know that. And I'm not going to tell people to stop smoking, because you already know that, too. Basically, there are always steps we can take to live more healthy, but me telling you that isn't going to happen. So you know what you need to do. Drink green tea, jog 5 miles a day, and eat more veggies. Whatever. We all know what we need to do make ourselves more healthy, so do it.

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So I wouldn't say this is a hopeless situation. It sometimes feels like that, but I think we all help each other deal with it. Reading this board does help me - even though it descends into madness once in a while - and we have all come up with a few good ideas.

So let's not all lose hope and start saying there are no solutions and that nothing will ever work.

Hello ALL..

I noticed that when I increased my water intake and stopped drinking pop and other high sugar drinks it seemed to help my bv. Like, the smell was not as strong as it used to be. Has anyone else noticed this about water. We all know that water is very important and flushes out the system and maybe with some like in my case water can help with the bv smell. Just thought I throw that out there to you all....No, it is not an answer to the bv but it never hurts to flush out your system with water.

I know that a lot of drugs are discovered by accident and scientific advancement requires creative thinking. So I'm not discouraging that. But I feel like a lot of what you say is not grounded in reality and has a very "grasp at straws" quality to it which isn't very helpful.

I'm not saying that your contribution is not valuable - you suggested the possibility of a staph infection, which I think is very worth keeping in mind. You also said other things that made me think. So keep doing what you're doing - but just letting you know that you should stay focused on facts while you do it.

As far as yeast goes - as you know, everyone has some yeast in their system. It's when your immune system is compromised that the yeast overgrows and causes problems. (For example, AIDS patients suffer from yeast infections all over their body - mouth, anus, vagina, etc.) It's not clear to me that yeast alone is the cause for any disease - I don't think of it as harmless, but the sign of yeast overgrowth is usually a sign of an underlying problem.

So basically your theory is that you have an overgrowth of yeast caused by taking pharmaceuticals for a long time, which is killing the good bacteria in your system and somehow causing your BV. While the pharmaceuticals probably took its toll on your body, I don't really agree with your theory that yeast is the cause of your BV.

I'm not saying you shouldn't explore this, I just think that your perception might be a little off center. (Also, I don't see any links in your post, so I can't read up on what you're talking about.)

Well, the pills I take vaginally, are not horsepills. Mine are the size of an Exedrine Migraine pill.

I can say, with full 100% knowledge that the FLAGYL orally, won't work. IF YOU HAVE REOCCURING B.V. Why??? Can I say this?? ASK ANYONE ON HERE IF IT'S WORKED FOR THEM!!!! The answer is the same, over and over again. No, No, and again, No.

I'm not pushing using it Vaginally. Just like everything we try, it's use at your own risk, do your own research on it, and if it works for you, great, if not, then find what does.

I'm here to tell you what works for me. For over a year now, we've said the same thing over and over again. "WHAT WORKS FOR ME, MAY NOT WORK FOR YOU, AND VICE VERSA".

I'm done with this board. I wasn't going to leave, but, it's not worth MY STRESS LEVEL ANYMORE. The CONDESENDING ATTITUDES, IS NOT WORTH MY TIME OR EFFORT. EVERYONE is so willing to to criticize solutions we have found, BUT HAVE NO SOLUTIONS THEMSELVES.

I DON'T HAVE B.V. anymore. But I'm wrong here right?

AND NO, I DID NOT GET A YEAST INFECTION FROM HELL FROM USING THE FLAGYL VAGINALLY. If you READ...YOU WILL SEE WHY I DID. It's called, using the flagyl vaginally, then having sex, then using it again. Um...yeah, that caused a yeast infection. The other time, when I used it CORRECTLY, no yeast infection. Fucking read people, before you post your bullshit stuff, and if you don't HAVE TIME TO READ IT, or UNDERSTAND MY CONDITION, THEN DON'T FUCKING REPLY AS IF YOU KNOW ME, OR MY BODY.

GOODBYE.....SASSY, PIANOGIRL..IF YOU EVER WANT TO TALK, JUST SEND ME A P.M. I get email notifications on those. But I won't be posting on this board anymore. IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.

Good luck ladies. I really hope you find yourself a cure.

How in the hell do you attach links? I haven't had the computer very long, so I don't know jack. Having a friend come over tonight to show me.

But maybe if you google it you can find it (if not I will attach the link after I learn how) Type in The V Book chapter 10 yeast infections (separating the truths from the popular beliefs).

Lori, what do you feel is not grounded? And yes, I may be grasping it straws....i think of it more as looking for a needle in the haystack.

I have done a lot of reading, maybe too much, but I don't plan on stopping...and anything that I can think of I will investigate.

Maybe your right, I will stop mentioning "out there" thoughts such as toilet paper harvesting bacteria. I mean that is just pure insanity since Morphia got a crazy ass skin infection from a towel.
And that many of us use it as "panty liners".
Why did the hospital make me use sterilized water and gauze to wipe with when I had no stiches?

I don't know, I didn't ask.

I don't want to scare everyone, but obviously, there is something compromised with our immune systems..and I think we should be very careful.

I am gonna write a letter to that doctor that is now conducting research of the BV epidemic. He is, I'm sure grasping at many straws.

I have his name chicken scratched someone in my notes. (he's not the dude selling shit, just interested in finding the cause, and well... getting the reward money too, I'm sure lol)

Lori, don't tell me what I can and cannot say. I say my piece and others do not have to take it as gospel. They should merely take it into consideration. The other reason why I believe in it is because I have read about women that developed vulvodynia over the years due to using too many CREAMS to fight bv. I'm here to tell my experience and what I've researched. I did not say "I KNOW FOR SURE" I said I firmly believe. Stop picking everything apart, Lori. I do believe you can be a help to this board but you're just so damn arrogant. I want to get along with you, but you don't make it easy.

My question seems to have gotten lost in all the bullshit. So I'll ask again. Has anyone here used a Z-pack before? I can't remember if anyone here has or not. As I've said, I have read this entire thread but I can't remember everything. lol.

I would like to touch upon a point. I know that all of us here have developed BV for different reasons. I got mine from repetitive douching. But whatever the reason for having it, we are all extremely upset and stressed out. The body is designed to handle stress. That is fine. But stress that goes on and on and on, causes problems. Ulcers, nervous breakdown, heart attacks. Yes these are extreme examples. But in our position of compromised immune function, stressing is the one thing we should not be doing right now. Because it will just compound our problems. Hormones work in a cascading manner, one hormone is eventually converted into another, and so on. The adrenal glands take cholesterol, turn it into pregnenolone, then turn it into progesterone, cortisol, or DHEA, then turn it into progesterone, adrenalin or estrogen. I have a chart that I am looking at right now. (If I find one online, I will post it later.) And it seems pretty clear to me from looking at this chart that if the adrenals are working over-time always producing cortisol and adrenalin, then they certainly are going to have a hard time producing the estrogen and progesterone we need. This is bad. We all know that in order to remain healthy, we need the correct balance of hormones. If the process is constantly being interrupted with excessive stress, then a deficit will occur. We already know that some of us have BV from hormone issues. Many older women experience dryness because of drops in hormonal levels. But menopause is not the only reason for hormonal imbalance. Dieting, taking/stopping the birth control pill, pregnancy, hysterectomy, and stress will all effect your hormones levels as well. When progesterone and the estrogens drop, one of the side effects is dryness. Your skin becomes dryer and thinner. And the mucose membranes of your body become dryer and thinner as well. This is a bad thing for your intestines and your vagina, because the mucosa layer is supposed to provide a comfortable barrier between the millions of microorganisms and us. Both the vagina and the intestines have microorganisms in them which are either beneficial or pathogenic - regardless, they do not live right on your skin, and are not meant to be pushed into the skin. If the protective mucosa barrier isn't there, these microorganisms are more easily pushed into the skin, via sex, or constipation for example; causing all kinds of problems like Irritible Bowel Syndrome (IBS), Colitis, Bacterial Vaginosis, etc.

So the first thing everyone should do, is chill out.

I want to make a quick comment to everyone as well. Really, do you think that we are never gonna argue? We will. It's impossible to not have disagreements. I like to think of them more as "debates." I don't want to see any member leave, or scare off any new comers because we are always bitching. "Debates" are gonna happen, I would like to think of everyone on this board as my sister, friend, teacher, and everything else that is good.

It is very hard to understand everyones "tone" through the internet, and that sucks...if we all we sitting on the couch sipping on a beer, it wouldn't get this heated. So let's all remember that. As for me, I'm sarcastic...very much... makes my humor easily misunderstood. I can't change who I am...and well, the only thing I want to change is getting rid of this bv.

I'm thankful that I found this board.

Sassy, I just started taking them so I am going to give them a few months to see if they work as the herbal stuff takes longer to kick in I think. I will keep you posted on whether it works for me or not. At this point I am willing to try anything.

Hey Morphia:

Have you ever used Monistat from just your generic store for the burning? I know it's for yeast infections but it really helps the burning from my bv. I have been checked by several doctors telling me that I have bv and not yeast but for some reason the monistat helps relieve some burning. I don't use it all the time but sometimes when I am desperate and can't stand taking Flagyl one more time I will buy the Monistat 3 day and after I use it the burning goes away almost completely. Of course bv comes back the next month but at least I get a few weeks of no burning.

[EDITED] USELESS CONVERSATION WITH MORPHIA DELETED.


But you said the vaginal flagyl isn't a cure, either.


No, you said that "nothing else will work."


Objecting to your telling people to mis-use prescription medication is not condescending. I think it's cool that you're sharing what you're doing. But you shouldn't tell people "nothing else will work."

And it's not true that we have not thought up solutions. Read my blog, there are solutions - probiotics.

That is odd! I've noticed that yeast creams ease the burning too. Which is why I thought I was battling recurrent yeast infections for over a year. I wonder why this is? But I'm too afraid to use yeast creams for just anything since it can actually be dangerous. There are studies that are showing that its the easy access us women have to yeast treatments that is giving rise to all of these resistant strains. I try to stay away from yeast meds unless I know for sure that I have yeast infection.

You're damn right I did. And I'll keep screaming that until the day I die. I think they are evil. Its my opinion. You know, Lori. Shit didn't start hitting the fan until you came around.

yes i am only getting treated for the UTI. but because i choose not to take the antibiotics for the BV. not because they make me sick, because they don't work for me. it goes away for a little bit and then returns a lot worse. if i keep taking them over and over and over again i don't think that's very good for my body. i'd rather use natural ways. that's why i'm using the Yeast Arrest. and there are a few people on this board (i don't remember who) who were successful with that. i am going to use the yeast arrest for a month along with the fem-dophilus and then after that i will be using the yeast arrest every month for 4 days when i have my period for 4 months. those are the directions on the package. and clindamycin is clindesse right? i used that already.. twice. it didn't even make it go away that time. just gave me a really bad yeast infection. that's what my doctor prescribed for me the first time i was diagnosed with it and i have a feeling that if i didn't take it i wouldn't be where i am now. but oh well. so that's what i'm doing.

oh and she didn't tell me anything really about the pain. she checked me for cysts (which are possible since my mom has them) but didn't find anything. it's probably from the UTI and/or BV. i started the yeast arrest and septra yesterday and my pain isn't really there today so it's probably that.





i've used flagyl at least 3 or 4 times. metrogel a few times too. never worked. FOR ME though. it doesn't work for a lot of people, but maybe it will for some. jewels i wish you wouldn't stop posting on here. you have been a real big help to me. i tried the flagyl vaginally after you did and it did work for a little while, i might try it again but i'm trying the yeast arrest for now.


i haven't said anything about the arguing lately because i want to be neutral and stay out of it but i think everyone should stop saying what is "RIGHT" and what's "WRONG." we're here to share our experiences. and find something that works. if someone has found something that worked, even though it may not be the prescribed way to use it, who cares? why shouldn't they share it with us? it might work for someone else too. nobody says you HAVE to do it that way, it's just another option. you have to find what works for you and i know i (and i'm sure a lot of other women) have gotten to the point where they'll do almost anything to get rid of it.

if someone wants to take the antibiotics they were prescribed then that's their choice. even though it may not have worked for a lot of people, it may work for them. we can give advice and opinions but nobody should be telling people what and what not to do or say. and a lot of people have been doing that. everybody's results are going to be different depending on their situation. so what works for one person might not work for someone else. that's why we need everyone's experience so that people have a lot of different methods to choose from. everyone needs to stop criticizing eachother. stop picking little things that everyone says and trying to correct them. if they want to say that let them. if you have a problem with what someone is saying you should tell them through a private message, not on the board. you're wasting time and space on here that can be used for trying to find something that works. if someone new came here and is looking to get information what the hell are they going to get out of the last 3 pages being nothing but arguing? absolutely nothing. and i'm kind of sick of everyone arguing. if you have a problem with someone tell them privately.

right on ,anitsirhc!!!! My sentiments exactly. like having this condition isnt enough deal with

My doctor told me that maybe I have bv and a small yeast inf. together which is why the monistat helps. I have read that too about it not being good to use them all the time so I try not to unless I just can't take it anymore.

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To everyone,

I really appreciate all the support and the ability to share our problems in this thread - but there's also a lot of bad ideas that were given in here, too - some of them are potentially harmful, some of them made thing worse, some people ended up with people's vaginas "torn up!"

I really do appreciate this thread. But that doesn't change the fact that it's also a long, sad record of people shoving all manners of things in their bajingo hoping for magic, and being disappointed. I'm not putting anyone down - I've had my "Bad Product Pussy Explosion," too (which I already talked about). And it is sad that we have become so desperate that we've become willing to try anything, possibly putting our health in danger.

But it really does get a little insane around here. I don't think the recent hysteria and the irresponsible recommendations are helpful. Basically, I've got a problem with all the bad advice - potentially unsafe recommendations, and unsubstantiated claims.

I've gotten a few PM's recently, from members who do NOT post in this thread, but have questions about BV. I think we should all be mindful that there are a lot of women who read this thread, and may get the wrong idea about the suggestions in here.

I essentially agree with what you're saying, anitsirhc.

But Jewels did say that taking flagyl orally does not work and that vaginal-flagyl is one of only two solutions.

That IS wrong, and a very irresponsible thing to say.


And that is what she should have said, but she very clearly didn't.

What she said was irresponsible, period.

i also said you should stop picking out every little thing that people say and correcting them. which is what you're doing. i didn't say she was right for what she said but she wanted to say it and she is allowed to. that's her opinion. she should have added "for me" at the end of each of those sentences but who am i or anyone else to tell her what to say? i didn't want to get personal with this but you act like you're in charge of everyone and if they say something that you don't like or you don't agree with then they shouldn't say it.



you keep bringing up things that happened in the past and wasting more time on arguments. why would you want to talk about arguments that already happened. like i said, if you have a problem with something someone said, you should talk to them privately. not on here. stop wasting time going back and finding things that people said that you think they shouldn't have. why don't you spend your time doing things that help out, like research on BV WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE.

I'm glad you agree that what Jewels said is not right. She's talked about vaginal-flagyl for a while, and while I expressed my reservations with that, I didn't tell her to stop saying it.

But like I said, what she said lately (about it being the only thing that will work) is very irresponsible. And she did need to stop saying that.

And I stand by that.

Also, I want to add that Jewels also gave WRONG information. She cited info. about vaginal tablets that are not available in the U.S., and misinterpreted that to mean that using oral flagyl tablets vaginally is safe.

If she is giving wrong medical information, I think it's okay to correct her. Don't you?

I used boric acid with much success==for treating concurrent BV/resistant-yeast infections. It is the major ingredient in Yeast Arrest vaginal capsules, right? The only cavaet--after using boric acid via the dose-and-timing schedule as you have described, I got really dry in there. My gyn, a big believer in boric acid (God rest his soul--he committed suicide last summer!), suggested applying a dab of estrogen cream vaginally (I use Estrace) after using boric acid (once its residue quits dripping out) to help the lining get re-moistened.

Awaiting my Fem Dophilus order--before they were available here in the U.S., I had to get these strains of lactobacilli from friends in Austria!

Blessings,
Maggie C.

ok well i think you should just stop worrying about what everyone else says. it doesn't do anything and it's pointless. i'm done talking about this. i just hope this stops.

mfc10: I LOVE boric acid. It is the only thing that has ever helped my BV. I use it now so that I can maintain a somewhat normal sex life. And yes, it is the same thing as Yeast Arrest, but it's a lot cheaper to make your own capsules.

I don't agree with that. Do you think it's pointless to object to mistaken medical information?


Not sure why you're blaming me for "this," anitsirhc. The original bickering was happening between Jewels and arj75. Jewels took some things a little too personally, and arj75, to her credit, refused to take the bait.

If you recall, I had some disagreements with some of arj75's statements, too. Again to arj75's credit, we are able to disagree with each other, without name-calling and other stupid shit. And I think THAT is how we're going to come closer to finding solutions - by discussing things in a civilized way, but not being afraid to disagree with each other.

WOW! I've never seen the board like this before. There is soooo much fighting going on here. Ladies, we all need to support each other. I understand this is a very hard thing to go through and we are frustrated but the fighting has got to stop.Lets turn this back into a support group, respect each other, and LISTEN to what each person has to say.

Lori: Everyone here is desperate! That's why you hear soooo many people with crazy ideas. I for one thought about battery acid myself. LOL! I had a crazy idea (estroil=estrogen) and it worked.

i never blamed you, in my original post about the arguing i addressed things a lot of girls were doing, not only you. except you were the only one who wrote back to start arguing with me because you're always on the defense and having to prove everyone wrong. i don't want to recall anything. i don't care what disagreements you had. everyone had disagreements, except they don't always write about them. they keep it to themselves because they realize that this is a place for everyone to talk about their experiences and thoughts on BV. not a place for people to argue back and forth about what is right and what is wrong and you said this you said that blah blah blah. stop focussing on what people are saying and friggin talk about BV!! i'm getting pissed off now, don't write back to this please. i don't want to talk to you about this anymore, i want to talk about what's working for you, what's working for me. that's what this is for.

i just ordered my fem-dophilus (from iherb.com.) i'm hoping this along with the yeast arrest works for me. if this doesn't work i think the next thing i will try is the estriol or estroil however you spell it.

Good luck, anitsirhc. I bought one of those 7-day pill cases which helps me make sure to never miss a day.

oh that's a good idea! because i always forget to take my regular daily vitamins too. what exactly are you using right now for your bv? i don't even know.

yes boric acid is in Yeast Arrest. maybe i will by some estrogen cream. the only thing is it drips out of me all day. cause i insert 1 in the morning and 1 at night.

Sassy: How long does the results last after you use the boric acid? Do you go symptom free for a while and then bv comes back? Do you use boric acid daily? I am curious and want to try it.

SINCE YOU ALL SEEM TO WANT TO QUOTE UN QUOTE ME, LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT ON WHAT I SAID. I SAID...QUOTE....KEY WORDS HERE....."IF YOU HAVE TRUE, RE-OCCURING B.V., I HATE TO BE THE BARRIER OF BAD NEWS, BUT THE FLAGYL, ORALLY WON'T WORK." KEY WORDS, IF YOU HAVE TRUE RE-OCCURING B.V. And that right there, you can take to the bank. THERE IS NO CURE. That is why we all have to try what works for us. BORIC ACID GAVE ME A RASH SO BAD, MY ARMS WERE BLEEDING. BUT...Do I tell you all to stop saying to use it???? NOOOOO, WHY NOT?? Because it works for some of you.

THEN I SAID, QUOTE...."FOR ME....FLAGYL VAGINALLY IS THE ONLY SOLUTION RIGHT NOW". So for those of you who said I didn't say, FOR ME, FUCKING READ. Lori, I'm sick of your ass. You think you're helpfull, and you're not.

Thanks to all the Private PM's, I received. I will keep in contact with you all.

I'm using fem-dophilus.

I've been taking fem-dophilus twice a day since Feb. and I have been feeling great. I've even been to my gyno, and she checked my discharge and told me it looked fine. This is the longest time I've gone without having BV, or on the verge of getting it - during the last 7 years. As I explained before, when I have BV, I also have a dull pain in my cervix. So not only am I happy to be free of the smelly-snatch-problem, I'm also thrilled to be pain free.

I hesitate calling this the cure, because I'm always going to be paranoid about it, I'll always be sniffing my panties like a crazy person. But I'm feeling really good. I'm feeling so good I'm going to start taking fem-dophilus only once a day now, with my fingers crossed, of course.

I think the best, most sensible medical explanation for the neverending cycle of recurrences is that the antibiotics mess with our flora, and we get reinfected. So I think probiotics is definitely something that can help everyone in here (just make sure to stay away from Gy-natren).

Me three!

Lori: Where do you get the fem-dophilus? Do you have to order online or are there any stores that carry it?

sorry jewels, i didn't go back and read exactly what you said before i wrote that. (i don't go back and read every little detail of what someone said just to prove an argument.) i wasn't really paying attention to what you said, but what she said that you said. i wasn't trying to make you mad or anything.

go go iherb.com and search for it. they ship it in an iced package so it doesn't go bad. because you need to keep it refrigerated. and it's cheaper there than most places. that's where lori and i both bought ours, she got hers already and i just ordered mine today so i hopefully will have it soon.

I honesty believe that I have the worst case (people literally have to hold their nose while sitting next to me.) I had a baby via cesarian section in July. I thank God that I had a C-section; I think the BV would have been way worse if I hadn't. The BV was present throughout the whole pregnancy and got SEVERE when I started having sex again when I was about 4 months postpartum.

I'm just SOOOO tired of people critisizing (sp?) me saying i'm NASTY and "BURNING". It's humiliating, it's really bringing me down. I'm still way too young, I deserve to live a life full of happiness, along my family and friends. But it just seems so impossible at this point in my life. I wanna die.

[b]I wanna be able to sit down and not have to cross my legs for once.[/b ]That's all I ask!

I'm really curious to know what your doctors have said about this, and what treatments they've prescribed for you.

Hey Jennifer. I have detailed info. about this in my blog - the link is in my sig.

So, I went to my doctor on the 18th to be checked for any infection and for the colpo. They do a wet prep, right? And my doctor says its inconclusive. Then they do the affirm which shows only bv. Well, I called the nurse for a prescription of diflucan as a preventative since I'm going to be on this Flagyl for 14 days. She calls me back saying, "I don't know why you wanted the diflucan because we didn't find any yeast....oh, yes we did. We saw it on the wet prep..." So I called back all confused and I asked her about it and told her that the doc said it was inconclusive. Now she's telling me that the wet prep showed a "tiny bit of yeast" but it didn't show up on the affirm. What the FUCK!? Bv that shows up on the affirm but not the wet prep? Yeast that shows up on the wet prep but not the affirm? I'm extremely upset right now. I thought I was only going to have to battle bv but it looks like I'm going to have to battle both because I was on diflucan when I was diagnosed with this "yeast." I'd like to use a yeast cream along with the diflucan but I can't since I'm all cut up in there. :'( I'm sorry, but I'm more than a little upset right now.

This scares the hell out of me because according to something I just read pretty much the only species of yeast that can survive in a pH as high as mine is C. Glabrata or other resistant strains.

Bacterial Vaginosis caused by repeated douching. I've taken repeated courses of flagyl both vaginally and orally, and clindamicin (sp?) I've had the yeast every single time I take antibiotics, and like I said it's just a vicious cyle that has NO end.

The boric acid in the yeast arrest suppositories have worked great for me too. I have been off of yeast arrest for almost a month and no smell. I will continue to use it for maintaining. I have not tried the capsules yet. I am open to other products to try when or if the yeast arrest fails me.

QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 22 2007, 01:05 PM)
i'd rather use natural ways. that's why i'm using the Yeast Arrest. and there are a few people on this board (i don't remember who) who were successful with that.

Yes, I am one who has had great success with yeast arrest.