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anitsirhc
QUOTE(bvgirl @ May 22 2007, 08:18 PM) *
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 22 2007, 01:05 PM)
i'd rather use natural ways. that's why i'm using the Yeast Arrest. and there are a few people on this board (i don't remember who) who were successful with that.

Yes, I am one who has had great success with yeast arrest.


how long did you use it? and did you use it twice a day? i plan on using it for a month twice a day and then after that once at night for 4 months during my period. is that what you're doing too? that is what's on the directions. also, mfc10 stated that she was using boric acid and also used estrogen cream along with it because it dried her out, did you experience any drying?? i'm kind of excited, i hope this works.
sassy
jennifer: The boric acid is not permanent, at least not for me. It does, however, take away the smell and discharge for short amounts of time so that I can at least feel normal sometimes and have sex with my fiancee. If I use it two nights in a row, the smell is gone. It usually comes back in a week, or quicker if I have sex. I've never experienced any side effects (Jewels got a bad rash). It does dry out the vagina sometimes but nothing too horrible. It's honestly saved my sanity in this BV battle.
bvgirl
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 22 2007, 07:33 PM) *
how long did you use it? and did you use it twice a day? i plan on using it for a month twice a day and then after that once at night for 4 months during my period. is that what you're doing too? that is what's on the directions. also, mfc10 stated that she was using boric acid and also used estrogen cream along with it because it dried her out, did you experience any drying?? i'm kind of excited, i hope this works.


Hello antisirch..

I used it for 21 days,twice a day(even though it rid the bv smell in one day) I continued to use it. I planned to purchase more but I have not yet and I have had no smell in a month but I will get around to buying more. Yes, I plan to use it during my period(I did not yet because I ran out)for four months like the direction says. From time to time I experienced drying and a little irritation but I guess it depends on how your body reacts to it. Some people may have a reaction to the boric acid and or experience more than minor problems so just understand that it may or may not work for you and or you may or may not have irrritation,dryness and or some people say they sometimes were bothered by itching. So just be aware that you may experience one or all or none of the minor problems. I was just so amazed that it worked so very quickly for me and still is. They also say that you may need to use it longer than a month if the yeast arrest has not rid it in a month. I have been dealing with bv for years and I am just so glad that I found a product that will help me with the bv. It is not a cure but at least I know when I use it it works for me. Please let us know how you are doing...
Morphia
Who here has had yeast and bv at the same time? This is my second time with a coinfection (that I'm aware of). Although the yeast was a lot worse last time around.
anitsirhc
QUOTE(bvgirl @ May 22 2007, 09:20 PM) *
Hello antisirch..

I used it for 21 days,twice a day(even though it rid the bv smell in one day) I continued to use it. I planned to purchase more but I have not yet and I have had no smell in a month but I will get around to buying more. Yes, I plan to use it during my period(I did not yet because I ran out)for four months like the direction says. From time to time I experienced drying and a little irritation but I guess it depends on how your body reacts to it. Some people may have a reaction to the boric acid and or experience more than minor problems so just understand that it may or may not work for you and or you may or may not have irrritation,dryness and or some people say they sometimes were bothered by itching. So just be aware that you may experience one or all or none of the minor problems. I was just so amazed that it worked so very quickly for me and still is. They also say that you may need to use it longer than a month if the yeast arrest has not rid it in a month. I have been dealing with bv for years and I am just so glad that I found a product that will help me with the bv. It is not a cure but at least I know when I use it it works for me. Please let us know how you are doing...



well i've been using it since yesterday morning (so i've inserted 4 so far) and the smell is gone and i am not burning or anything. i understand everyone is different but it seems like it's working for me. it's not causing any problems and i don't smell at all. we'll see what happens when i stop using it in a month. hopefully it will stay away!
anitsirhc
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 22 2007, 09:20 PM) *
Who here has had yeast and bv at the same time? This is my second time with a coinfection (that I'm aware of). Although the yeast was a lot worse last time around.


i've had that happen twice so far. and same as you.. that i know of. may have been more than twice. it was horribleeeee. i was so itchy!!!!
jenniferg
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 22 2007, 03:14 PM) *
go go iherb.com and search for it. they ship it in an iced package so it doesn't go bad. because you need to keep it refrigerated. and it's cheaper there than most places. that's where lori and i both bought ours, she got hers already and i just ordered mine today so i hopefully will have it soon.


Thank you! I will order some today.
jenniferg
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 22 2007, 06:20 PM) *
Who here has had yeast and bv at the same time? This is my second time with a coinfection (that I'm aware of). Although the yeast was a lot worse last time around.


I have had both at the same time. Flagyl usually always gives me a yeast infection and since it doesn't always clear up the bv, I have bv and yeast. I think that's why the burning was so bad this month because I had a little yeast inf. I used the 3 day monistat and now it's all gone biggrin.gif ...of course until next month when I will start the battle all over again.
anitsirhc
QUOTE(jenniferg @ May 22 2007, 10:30 PM) *
I have had both at the same time. Flagyl usually always gives me a yeast infection and since it doesn't always clear up the bv, I have bv and yeast. I think that's why the burning was so bad this month because I had a little yeast inf. I used the 3 day monistat and now it's all gone biggrin.gif ...of course until next month when I will start the battle all over again.


how many times have you taken flagyl? from what you said it sounds like a couple of times. if it just keeps coming back maybe it's time for you to try something different. just a suggestion, i think that using flagyl over and over again only makes it more difficult to get rid of bv.
jenniferg
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 22 2007, 07:48 PM) *
how many times have you taken flagyl? from what you said it sounds like a couple of times. if it just keeps coming back maybe it's time for you to try something different. just a suggestion, i think that using flagyl over and over again only makes it more difficult to get rid of bv.


I have taken Flagyl several times...I can't even count. Sometimes it works and then sometimes it doesn't. I also have used metronidazole gel, have tried tea tree oil, garlic, yogurt, probiotics and am now trying the botanical advantage pills. The only thing that always works but I don't like to use it that often because I don't even have a yeast infection is the monistat. It takes away the burning from the bv for some reason. The doctor said that maybe I have a small yeast inf. combined with the bv so that could be why it helps, but when they test me it always comes back as just bv. I am going to order the fem-dophilus and try it.
anitsirhc
QUOTE(jenniferg @ May 22 2007, 11:04 PM) *
I have taken Flagyl several times...I can't even count. Sometimes it works and then sometimes it doesn't. I also have used metronidazole gel, have tried tea tree oil, garlic, yogurt, probiotics and am now trying the botanical advantage pills. The only thing that always works but I don't like to use it that often because I don't even have a yeast infection is the monistat. It takes away the burning from the bv for some reason. The doctor said that maybe I have a small yeast inf. combined with the bv so that could be why it helps, but when they test me it always comes back as just bv. I am going to order the fem-dophilus and try it.


ohh i see. that's weird that the monistat helps. well i hope you find something that works soon. let me know how the fem-dophilus works for you, i'm going to use it too. smile.gif
Morphia
Its official...I now smell. I've actually read about women getting recurring bv following their first colpo. I should have known that it was only going to make mine worse. I used to be one of the lucky ones (in the not smelling aspect, very unlucky in the burning aspect) and now I can smell myself just sitting here. Fuck.
CanCan
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 22 2007, 12:19 AM) *
Luckily I have no side effects from the flagyl except for one. Depression. Its not documented but I found a board with hundreds of patient reviews on Flagyl and a lot of people were claiming that they got very depressed on it. I even found a couple of articles that said depression could be a side effect. I had been wondering why I was getting so damn depressed when I was nearing the end of my 7 day course. I can only imagine what this 14 day might do to me. huh.gif



QUOTE(jenniferg @ May 22 2007, 12:29 AM) *
That sounds just like me...I was wondering why whenever I take it I start getting really depressed. It must be the Flagyl.



If the Flagyl works to get rid of the BV, great, but be prepared to feel some depression. Taken orally, Flagyl wipes out good bacteria in your intestines, not just the bad. And good bacteria in our intestines is called 'beneficial bacteria' for a reason. These microbes in your intestines produce Biotin, Vitamin K, Vitamin B-12, Folic Acid (B-9), Thiamin (B-1), and Riboflavin (B-2), etc. Having a B vitamin deficiency, one is more likely to experience depression and cognitive disfunction. These vitamins lower high homocysteine levels, which is a good thing, because raised levels have been linked to depression.



[ E H Reynolds. Folic acid, ageing, depression, and dementia. British Medical Journal. June 22, 2002;324:1512-1515.

Researchers believe folic acid works in the same way as SAMe (S-adenosylmethionine). Both folic acid and SAMe affect methylation in the brain, a process linked to mood and cognitive function. Methylation also plays a role in the metabolism of homocysteine, the amino acid linked to heart conditions and other diseases. Folic acid and SAMe also both influence monoamine metabolism, a process linked to depression. In numerous studies, low levels of folate in serum, red cells, and cerebrospinal fluid and high levels of plasma homocysteine are linked to depression and dementia.

http://intelegen.com/nutrients/folic_acids..._depression.htm ]

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[ 1: J Psychopharmacol. 2005 Jan;19(1):59-65.
Treatment of depression: time to consider folic acid and vitamin B12.

Coppen A, Bolander-Gouaille C.

MRC Neuropsychiatric Research Laboratory, Epsom, Surrey, UK. acoppen@globalnet.co.uk

We review the findings in major depression of a low plasma and particularly red cell folate, but also of low vitamin B12 status. Both low folate and low vitamin B12 status have been found in studies of depressive patients, and an association between depression and low levels of the two vitamins is found in studies of the general population. Low plasma or serum folate has also been found in patients with recurrent mood disorders treated by lithium. A link between depression and low folate has similarly been found in patients with alcoholism. It is interesting to note that Hong Kong and Taiwan populations with traditional Chinese diets (rich in folate), including patients with major depression, have high serum folate concentrations. However, these countries have very low life time rates of major depression. Low folate levels are furthermore linked to a poor response to antidepressants, and treatment with folic acid is shown to improve response to antidepressants. A recent study also suggests that high vitamin B12 status may be associated with better treatment outcome. Folate and vitamin B12 are major determinants of one-carbon metabolism, in which S-adenosylmethionine (SAM) is formed. SAM donates methyl groups that are crucial for neurological function. Increased plasma homocysteine is a functional marker of both folate and vitamin B12 deficiency. Increased homocysteine levels are found in depressive patients. In a large population study from Norway increased plasma homocysteine was associated with increased risk of depression but not anxiety. There is now substantial evidence of a common decrease in serum/red blood cell folate, serum vitamin B12 and an increase in plasma homocysteine in depression. Furthermore, the MTHFR C677T polymorphism that impairs the homocysteine metabolism is shown to be overrepresented among depressive patients, which strengthens the association. On the basis of current data, we suggest that oral doses of both folic acid (800 microg daily) and vitamin B12 (1 mg daily) should be tried to improve treatment outcome in depression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...t_uids=15671130 ]
lori
QUOTE(CanCan @ May 22 2007, 11:54 PM) *
If the Flagyl works to get rid of the BV, great, but be prepared to feel some depression. Taken orally, Flagyl wipes out good bacteria in your intestines, not just the bad.

[...]

On the basis of current data, we suggest that oral doses of both folic acid (800 microg daily) and vitamin B12 (1 mg daily) should be tried to improve treatment outcome in depression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...t_uids=15671130 ]

Sounds like a good recommendation to me! Certainly couldn't hurt.

anitsirhc
does anyone know if you can or can't have sex while you have a UTI and you're on antibiotics for it??
jenniferg
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 22 2007, 11:35 PM) *
Its official...I now smell. I've actually read about women getting recurring bv following their first colpo. I should have known that it was only going to make mine worse. I used to be one of the lucky ones (in the not smelling aspect, very unlucky in the burning aspect) and now I can smell myself just sitting here. Fuck.


Sometimes I get a little smell after colpo. I will be getting my fourth one next Wed. to see if hpv is back and possibly a need for another leep procedure. : ( I think the colposcopys have alot to do with bv because they put all that vinegar stuff in you so they can see the abnormal cells which in a way is like douching isn't it? And we know that douching is a cause of bv.
Morphia
QUOTE(jenniferg @ May 23 2007, 12:02 PM) *
I think the colposcopys have alot to do with bv because they put all that vinegar stuff in you so they can see the abnormal cells which in a way is like douching isn't it? And we know that douching is a cause of bv.


I thought about that too. I also think about the fact that there is blood too and blood has a higher ph.

I also just noticed that I really am having a watery brown discharge. This time I know for sure that its not blood. I'm soaking my undies yet again and I don't know if its from the colpo, the bv, the yeast or everything. I can still FEEL it. Every now and then I'll get little jabs of pain and from what I understand I'm not supposed to be feeling anything this long after a colpo.

I just took a diflucan and can only hope it helps. But I doubt that it will since I tested positive for yeast just 4 days after I took one. I'm also about to start my period. (How is my pH supposed to stabilize with all of this bleeding I'm doing?!).I'm sorry girls but I just don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. I have an appointment to have a lump in my breast checked out tomorrow, and I'm going to have him check my cervix for infection while I'm in there. I'm terrified to have something stuck in there again because of all the burning I experienced last time. This is also a different doctor. He's younger, so I'm going to ask him if he knows anything about culturing discharge and sending it to a lab. If he says he too doesn't do cultures I'm going to be crushed. I really hope my biopsies aren't infected because that would mean more broad spectrum antibiotics. I can't deal with that.
jenniferg
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 23 2007, 02:02 PM) *
I thought about that too. I also think about the fact that there is blood too and blood has a higher ph.

I also just noticed that I really am having a watery brown discharge. This time I know for sure that its not blood. I'm soaking my undies yet again and I don't know if its from the colpo, the bv, the yeast or everything. I can still FEEL it. Every now and then I'll get little jabs of pain and from what I understand I'm not supposed to be feeling anything this long after a colpo.

I just took a diflucan and can only hope it helps. But I doubt that it will since I tested positive for yeast just 4 days after I took one. I'm also about to start my period. (How is my pH supposed to stabilize with all of this bleeding I'm doing?!).I'm sorry girls but I just don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. I have an appointment to have a lump in my breast checked out tomorrow, and I'm going to have him check my cervix for infection while I'm in there. I'm terrified to have something stuck in there again because of all the burning I experienced last time. This is also a different doctor. He's younger, so I'm going to ask him if he knows anything about culturing discharge and sending it to a lab. If he says he too doesn't do cultures I'm going to be crushed. I really hope my biopsies aren't infected because that would mean more broad spectrum antibiotics. I can't deal with that.


I never have much discharge come out, only a little bit right after it's done but the doctor always puts this coffee ground-like stuff in there after that gets really hard and comes out in a couple days. It is suppose to prevent infection I guess. Does you doctor put that stuff in after your colpos? I still get little jabs of pain every now and then ever since I had my leep procedure. Don't know if it's normal or not.
kmfkmb
Has anyone tried the Today pH Balance Restore vitamin C tablets that you insert inside your vagina? They say it is used to treat BV.

Thanks.
Morphia
Jennifer, I'm sorry I can't remember if you already said this. But do you smoke? Just curious. I quit when I was treating my yeast before I knew I had bv. But I started back up when I started treating the bv. I'm hoping that with the 14 days of flagyl minus the smoking I can get rid of this stuff.

I'm pretty sure I've got an infection brewing in there. Not only do I have that watery, brown discharge, but I have a thick discharge that's yellow with a slight cast of green. My pain is getting worse. Hopefully I don't have to go to the emergency room. My appointment is at 9:30 tomorrow morning. I should be able to make it until then.
lori
QUOTE(kmfkmb @ May 23 2007, 02:28 PM) *
Has anyone tried the Today pH Balance Restore vitamin C tablets that you insert inside your vagina? They say it is used to treat BV.

Thanks.

I ordered the product (from drugstore.com) but I haven't used it yet. I've been feeling good and BV-free for a while, so I'm not sure I'm going to.

I was initially excited about the product, but after thinking about it, I'm not sure that simply acidifying the vagina is useful (which is what this product does). A lot of members in here have focused on that (someone even mentioned battery acid - only as a joke but you get the idea), and I used to think it was a good idea, but I'm not sure it works that way anymore.

Not to mention, this stuff is expensive. Do I think this product will help? Maaaaaybe. I don't think it will hurt. I think it's worth a try if you're willing to pay for it.

Sorry I don't have a better answer than that.
arj75
Morphia,
I was just wondering how you were feeling? If your symtoms are getting any better. What kind of cultures did your doctor do. Did you thank him for not giving you any information of how to care for yourself after the colpo?

ilovehim, Don't give up....this all will get sorted out one day. I get depressed about it to, it's hard not to sometimes.

There are things much worse than bv though..(I tell myself that a lot). I am gonna keep my "fuck it" attitude about what people think of me, and focus on more important things in life such as my children, and my future.

I do remember the high school days, and I wouldn't want to go back for nothing. I wouldn't want to be a teenager again either. As a matter of fact if I had the choice of going back to high school and being a teenager again and being cured of bv, or battling bv now. I would choose the bv fight.

Have a good day you all!
anitsirhc
hey ladies. we're almost at 2,000 replies on here! haha... anyway, i've been using the yeast arrest for 3 days now and i am starting to get vaginal dryness. and it kinda itches sometimes too. not enough to make me stop using it though. mfc10 suggested estrogen cream for that so i think i will buy some. do you need a prescription for that? and where can you get it???
mfc10
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 24 2007, 10:15 AM) *
hey ladies. we're almost at 2,000 replies on here! haha... anyway, i've been using the yeast arrest for 3 days now and i am starting to get vaginal dryness. and it kinda itches sometimes too. not enough to make me stop using it though. mfc10 suggested estrogen cream for that so i think i will buy some. do you need a prescription for that? and where can you get it???


My estrogen cream was prescription: Estrace (estradiol). But I know there are some non-prescription estrogens based on estriol out there.

Blessings,
Maggie C.
jenniferg
QUOTE(Morphia @ May 23 2007, 04:03 PM) *
Jennifer, I'm sorry I can't remember if you already said this. But do you smoke? Just curious. I quit when I was treating my yeast before I knew I had bv. But I started back up when I started treating the bv. I'm hoping that with the 14 days of flagyl minus the smoking I can get rid of this stuff.

I'm pretty sure I've got an infection brewing in there. Not only do I have that watery, brown discharge, but I have a thick discharge that's yellow with a slight cast of green. My pain is getting worse. Hopefully I don't have to go to the emergency room. My appointment is at 9:30 tomorrow morning. I should be able to make it until then.


No I don't smoke. That kind of discharge does sound like an infection. Keep me updated on the results. I have never had anything like that after a colpo.
CanCan
QUOTE(SFgirl @ May 14 2007, 09:08 PM) *
I recently had an intense and painful reaction to Bacterial Vaginosis and was ill for about three weeks. I've had recurring BV since my early 20's. I'm now in my 40's. While the BV has been ever present over the last 20 years, it has never caused severe stomach pain until recently. In the past I've taken antibiotics which has resolved the symptoms, albeit temporarily. Symptoms usually returned after an antibiotic course within 2 months. My most recent experience with BV caused severe stomach pain, cramping, and constipation. The BV triggered Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) symtoms. After a trip to the doctor, and several tests to rule out other disorders, the doctor concluded the same -- that BV had triggered IBS-like symtoms. I was given Flagyl which helped to relieve symptoms, including the stomach pain and constipation, and recovered two weeks later. However, much to my dismay, the BV returned during the third week of my recovery and the symptoms, to include stomach pain, began to return. I've held it in check and have overcome the symptoms using probiotics and this approach has been more effective for me than antibiotic treatment. ...



I was told a few years ago that I have IBS too. Irritable Bowel Syndrome. But I don't think the IBS was caused by BV, but the other way around (Lori mentioned this as well). I think IBS can give you BV. However, for some reason, when I got my BV, I had a flare-up of IBS! Cramping, bloated belly; I can't explain it. Or maybe my IBS got worse because of the antibiotic that I took. The die-off of any microbes in your intestines would give you gas.

I would be curious to know how many of us here have digestive issues? I know a few do. With IBS, your intestines get thinner, and more porous, so particles of undigested food can be pushed through the intestinal lining undigested. These particles now have a higher chance of getting into your bloodstream. Causing problems like food allergies/food intolerance, sinusitis, general malaise, etc. But if food particles can be pushed through the porous lining into the bloodstream - then I wouldn't be surprised if bacteria can as well.

Well, whether or not you have IBS or some other digestive issue, keeping your intestines healthy is very important while you have a Bacterial Vaginosis infection. I bought something at the healthfood store called L-Glutamine. The salesman there called it 'gut glue', and told me that I should be taking it if I have IBS. It's a protein amino acid. It repairs your intestines. If you have Bacterial Vaginosis because of adrenal exhaustion or some other hormonal imbalance, then you can benefit from L-glutamine as well. Because hormone imbalance causes the vaginal lining and intestinal linings to become thin and less moist. Which can lead to both BV or IBS. What I do first thing in the morning now, even before I have my probiotics, is take one level teaspoon of L-glutamine added to some water (4 oz of purified water approximately), put the cap on the bottle, and shake up well to disolve. (I use an empty plastic drink bottle.) Then drink it right away. I do this on an empty stomach. Then within the next ten minutes or so, I do my probiotic mixture with distilled water and drink that right away. Whenever you do this, it should be one hour before a meal or an hour and a half after a meal. Just so the suppliments have a chance to get into your intestines unimpeded. I have been taking for the past two weeks, and I notice that I'm not as bloated as I was before. It seems to be working for me so far.

[ http://www.vegatest.info/irritable_bowel_syndrome.html ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine ]
Morphia
QUOTE(CanCan @ May 24 2007, 02:12 PM) *
I was told a few years ago that I have IBS too. Irritable Bowel Syndrome. But I don't think the IBS was caused by BV, but the other way around (Lori mentioned this as well). I think IBS can give you BV. However, for some reason, when I got my BV, I had a flare-up of IBS! Cramping, bloated belly; I can't explain it. Or maybe my IBS got worse because of the antibiotic that I took. The die-off of any microbes in your intestines would give you gas.

I would be curious to know how many of us here have digestive issues?


I've been having bowel issues since I got sick a year and a half ago (still don't know what the hell is wrong with me). I was able to get a colonoscopy in October. My results were inflammation indicative of IBS...OR...infection. Nothing else was done about it. You'd think after those findings that they would have taken a stool sample. I still wonder if I might have some type of parasitic infection in there and I keep hoping that maybe this 14 days of Flagyl will get rid of it if I do.

I went to see my doctor today and to my dismay he said that my cervix looked fine and that the discharge was normal?? I'm sorry, but no discharge 6 days after a colpo is normal. Plus I'm still in pain. HOWEVER...he is MUCH better than my primary doc. As I thought, because he is younger he has actually heard of the resistant strains of yeast and other bacterias that can live in the vagina. I didn't have to bring them up at all! I complained that I was having trouble with yeast too and he just started talking about them. And when I asked him if he could do a culture for any yeast or bacteria we might be missing he said that he couldn't do one due to the lack of supplies he had in his office but that he did feel that I needed one and that he would look into finding someone that could do one for me. He did have the supplies to check for group B strep so he took a culture for that. While he said some things that were inaccurate (such as my pH of 5.0 is too low and should be around 7 unsure.gif ) I can still say that I've found my new doc from now on. At least for a good while.

Another unfortunately, he said that if I keep having the recurring bv he wants to put me on the metrogel regimen I've heard people talk about. I think he said metrogel for 7 days instead of five, then once a week for a month, then once a month indefinitely. He says he's had good results with that but from what I've read most women don't seem to have much luck with it. Plus, wouldn't that just give me constant yeast problems?

For my current yeast problem he gave me Gynazole (By the same makers of Clindesse). I'm worried about that since its the one dose type that stays in you for 7 days. What if there really is an infection in there? He says it shouldn't irritate my biopsies but I'm afraid it will.
jenniferg
Morphia: Have you ever tried a colon cleanser? I used one in November and December and it was a miracle! I was so glad that I found it. I also have IBS and since I used it I have been much more regular and feel great. I just ordered another 1 month supply because it is recommended to do it every 6 months. It comes with a fiber mix, pills to rid your body of parasites and a tea. I was afraid that after using the product that I would just go back to always having bathroom problems but it wasn't the case. May be good for you too cancan as you had mentioned having IBS.

www.drnatura.com
sassy
MORPHIA: Like I've posted once before...it is normal to have that discharge after getting a cervical biopsy. I had discharge from mine for 2 weeks and that is normal. CALM DOWN!
Morphia
double post
Morphia
QUOTE(sassy @ May 24 2007, 07:58 PM) *
MORPHIA: Like I've posted once before...it is normal to have that discharge after getting a cervical biopsy. I had discharge from mine for 2 weeks and that is normal. CALM DOWN!



Ummm, excuse me. But did I show any indication whatsoever of freaking out? Did you see a shit load of exclamation points in my post? I'm sick and tired of every body taking what I say out of context and attacking me. The yahoo group may be slow, but at least they're more understanding and slow to judge. I think its time I left this board. Good luck tearing each other's throats out.
lori
QUOTE(CanCan @ May 24 2007, 12:12 PM) *
But I don't think the IBS was caused by BV, but the other way around (Lori mentioned this as well). I think IBS can give you BV. However, for some reason, when I got my BV, I had a flare-up of IBS! Cramping, bloated belly; I can't explain it. Or maybe my IBS got worse because of the antibiotic that I took.

That's so weird.

I think my symptoms had something to do with antibiotics. It's certainly something to keep an eye on, because it took me a while for me to figure it out. IBS is such a non-specific thing, can be caused by any number of things including stress. So sometimes, the doctors just have no idea.

So BV can give you IBS? Or IBS can give you BV? Oh dear.

BV is just the gift that keeps on giving.
miserywithcompany
Just checking in. I still stink but at least I can smell my smelly feet now because the crotch stench isn't so over-powering. The aci-jelly I've been using is almost gone. Been using it at night about twice a week or after sex then "cleaning up" the following morning with a tampon to absorb the rest so it doesnt ooze out for hours leaving me sticky and I don't smell like I used a bottle of vinegar as perfume. Someone said a while back its not being made any more. Figures. The one thing for me that seems to keep it checked to almost a point of toleration. Has anyone heard if there is a replacement for this product on the horizon?
arj75
QUOTE(lori @ May 24 2007, 11:37 PM) *
That's so weird.

I think my symptoms had something to do with antibiotics. It's certainly something to keep an eye on, because it took me a while for me to figure it out. IBS is such a non-specific thing, can be caused by any number of things including stress. So sometimes, the doctors just have no idea.

So BV can give you IBS? Or IBS can give you BV? Oh dear.

BV is just the gift that keeps on giving.


How exactly is IBS diagnosed? Does making about 5 or 6 "road stops" a year...and being late to social, work and school affairs because of "bowel problems" constitute IBS? Or the fact that I have to lay over a clothes hamper at night sometimes just to tolerate the "labor pains" hehe. What about eating rolaids and tums like tic tacs 7 to 8 times a month...because your stomach is on "fire". Those problems that I experience...have been the least of my worries...however...maybe I shouldn''t have put these problems on the back burner......
sassy
Morphia: I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. But you've posted several stressed out posts about your discharge and I've posted once or twice about it being normal. You keep saying how stupid your doctors are about it, but really, you need to listen sometimes to what other people have to say...especially if they've been through the same thing.
bvgirl
QUOTE(miserywithcompany @ May 25 2007, 03:07 AM) *
Just checking in. I still stink but at least I can smell my smelly feet now because the crotch stench isn't so over-powering. The aci-jelly I've been using is almost gone. Been using it at night about twice a week or after sex then "cleaning up" the following morning with a tampon to absorb the rest so it doesnt ooze out for hours leaving me sticky and I don't smell like I used a bottle of vinegar as perfume. Someone said a while back its not being made any more. Figures. The one thing for me that seems to keep it checked to almost a point of toleration. Has anyone heard if there is a replacement for this product on the horizon?


Currently, I dont use it but I do have a prescription for( the generic brand which is called acidic vaginal jelly) and what the pharmacist(at Walgreens) told me is that they have discontinued the name brand aci-jel and will not make that any longer but the generic brand is still available. He also stated that there still may be some of the name brand available online and they will continue to sell it until they have no more in stock. So you may be able to find some websites with the brand name. Generics are good too but some may perfer the name brand I say just to give it a shot and see how the generic brand works for you. As far as a replacement and or if horizon has a replacement product I do not know and the pharmacist also stated that they have not been notified in their systems if they will or when they will have a replacement product for the name brand. The last I checked was about a month ago I dont know if any new news have developed and or if anything has changed regarding this product.
CanCan
QUOTE(lori @ May 25 2007, 12:37 AM) *
That's so weird.

I think my symptoms had something to do with antibiotics. It's certainly something to keep an eye on, because it took me a while for me to figure it out. IBS is such a non-specific thing, can be caused by any number of things including stress. So sometimes, the doctors just have no idea.

So BV can give you IBS? Or IBS can give you BV? Oh dear.

BV is just the gift that keeps on giving.



I'm not 100% sure about it being passed back and forth like that. I need to figure that out. But I know there is a connection there. I know for a fact my BV infection was making my IBS flare up. And yes, I think it was from stress. I mean, it is so stressful having this BV problem, it was practically giving me an ulcer. I would be buckled over in pain from cramping. And I havn't had a bout of IBS in years. IBS in my opinion, is similar to having an ulcer - but not in your stomach - in your intestines. Stress exacerbates it. I don't think the BV gave me the IBS though. I had IBS years ago, before having BV. Actually, I think what really happened was that the antibiotics killed off all good bacteria in my body (not just my vagina), the BV came back, I got totally upset, then the stress coupled with the fact that now I don't have good bacteria in my intestines gave me a flare up of IBS. But the IBS was probably already there.

But what is IBS really? Irritable Bowel Syndrome. When I get upset, I feel it in my gut. And if you are a person that has thinner and more porous intestines than other people, with a thinner layer of mucous to protect them, then you are a candidate for IBS. Stress is almost always the catalyst. I read in one of my books that most women who get IBS can look in their calendar and pin-point the week that they got it. Or that they started feeling terrible, ultimately leading to IBS. For me, it was the week I broke up with my boyfriend. Gas, indigestion, food allergies, buckling over in pain, constipation alternating with diarrhea, are some of the symptoms I had. Then the yeast infections started. And then years later, the bacterial vaginosis started.




neverending
OK, who wants to be the guinea pig? LOL! I've been reading a lot about zinc and I was wondering, has anyone ever tried zinc vaginally? blink.gif
anitsirhc
my update: i've been using the yeast arrest since monday. the day after i started using it the smell was gone. i can't really tell if i have discharge or not because when the yeast arrest disolves it all comes out. i don't think i have much discharge though because unless i have the yeast arrest coming out of me then i don't really have anything.

so the bad parts (not really so bad just some annoying things) of using yeast arrrest for me are:

1) you need to use it for at least a month if you have a bad case (which all of us do i think)

2) when it disolves it comes out in thick green discharge and it's a little messy and annoying now especially since i've been going to the beach

3) when the green stuff comes out it makes me itch on the outside a little bit, but it goes away

4) i'm a little bit dried out from it but not so bad

those definitely aren't bad enough to make me stop using it, especially because it's working right now.

i also started taking the fem-dophilus yesterday. i ordered it from iherb.com on monday. it came in an insulated package with ice packs inside but whoever delivered it left it out on my front porch and it was hot out so by time i got it, it wasn't cold anymore. hopefully it wasn't warm already before they left it there. so what i plan on doing taking 2 fem-dophilus a day while i'm using the yeast arrest and then once i stop (i'm going to use it for a month) i'm going to use 1 fem-dophilus aday. i insert 1 yeast arrest twice a day. so this is working for me right now hopefully once i stop the yeast arrest it will stay away. once i'm done with the month of yeast arrest i'm going to continue using it only when i have my period.
neverending
Zinc
Benefits & Deficiency Symptoms
Zinc is considered an antioxidant. Zinc is also a natural antibacterial and anti-viral mineral. Zinc is found in all body fluids: therefore Zinc is a front line defense against infection-causing bacteria and viruses trying to enter the body. Zinc stops the replication process of the virus or bacteria. Those body fluids containing the most water also contain the most Zinc. Examples of such body fluids are tears, mucous, saliva and urine.

Zinc must be in proper balance to assist over 25 enzymatic functions, including digestion, metabolism, and reproduction. Often food processing removes all Zinc from the food we eat. Without Zinc in our diets, the proper assimilation of vitamins is nearly impossible.

Normal growth and development of young people is very dependent upon Zinc. The normal maintenance of body tissue, sexual functions, and chemical detoxification are all closely related to the amount of Zinc in the body. Zinc is also very important in the workings of the immune system and the synthesis of DNA in our cells. Recovery time after a major surgery is greatly decreased when the body contains the proper amount of Zinc.

Zinc is stored in the thyroid, pancreas, liver, kidneys, bones, voluntary muscles, prostate, sperm, skin, hair, nails, white corpuscles and whites of the eyes.

Many people in our society are very deficient in Zinc. One of the major symptoms is underarm odor. Therefore, selling underarm deodorants in this country has become a multibillion-dollar industry. That's largely due to the fact that many "normal" people have a Zinc deficiency.

Zinc deficiency can lead to a wide variety of degenerative diseases. Low amounts of Zinc during pregnancy can result in numerous birth defects such as Down syndrome, clef lip, spinabifdia, clubbed limbs, hernias, and umbilical cord hernias.

Some Symptoms of Zinc Deficiency:

Angina, Alzheimer's, anemia, alcoholism, acne, anorexia or bulimia, body odor, birth defects, cavities, Cohn's disease, depression, diabetes, free radical damage, eye diseases, herpes, hypertension, hair loss, infertility, infection, loss of smell and taste, miscarriages, obesity, PMS, still births, thyroid disorders, urinary track disorders, and underarm odor.

Note:

Zinc benefits and/or deficiency symptoms are generic for the mineral. No product claims are being made or implied.
arj75
QUOTE(neverending @ May 26 2007, 09:04 AM) *
Zinc
Benefits & Deficiency Symptoms
Zinc is considered an antioxidant. Zinc is also a natural antibacterial and anti-viral mineral. Zinc is found in all body fluids: therefore Zinc is a front line defense against infection-causing bacteria and viruses trying to enter the body. Zinc stops the replication process of the virus or bacteria. Those body fluids containing the most water also contain the most Zinc. Examples of such body fluids are tears, mucous, saliva and urine.

Zinc must be in proper balance to assist over 25 enzymatic functions, including digestion, metabolism, and reproduction. Often food processing removes all Zinc from the food we eat. Without Zinc in our diets, the proper assimilation of vitamins is nearly impossible.

Normal growth and development of young people is very dependent upon Zinc. The normal maintenance of body tissue, sexual functions, and chemical detoxification are all closely related to the amount of Zinc in the body. Zinc is also very important in the workings of the immune system and the synthesis of DNA in our cells. Recovery time after a major surgery is greatly decreased when the body contains the proper amount of Zinc.

Zinc is stored in the thyroid, pancreas, liver, kidneys, bones, voluntary muscles, prostate, sperm, skin, hair, nails, white corpuscles and whites of the eyes.

Many people in our society are very deficient in Zinc. One of the major symptoms is underarm odor. Therefore, selling underarm deodorants in this country has become a multibillion-dollar industry. That's largely due to the fact that many "normal" people have a Zinc deficiency.

Zinc deficiency can lead to a wide variety of degenerative diseases. Low amounts of Zinc during pregnancy can result in numerous birth defects such as Down syndrome, clef lip, spinabifdia, clubbed limbs, hernias, and umbilical cord hernias.

Some Symptoms of Zinc Deficiency:

Angina, Alzheimer's, anemia, alcoholism, acne, anorexia or bulimia, body odor, birth defects, cavities, Cohn's disease, depression, diabetes, free radical damage, eye diseases, herpes, hypertension, hair loss, infertility, infection, loss of smell and taste, miscarriages, obesity, PMS, still births, thyroid disorders, urinary track disorders, and underarm odor.

Note:

Zinc benefits and/or deficiency symptoms are generic for the mineral. No product claims are being made or implied.



Thanks neverending for posting that. I have been doing some research on vitamins and minerals too. I had read that as well. I swear to you all that I will learn how to pull and post articles that I find very soon. My "tutor" that was gonna show me...aka boyfriend..dumped me. O well. Nasty crouch or not..I'm still to good for him. lol.

(when I learn) I'm gonna post what the FDA suggests of what we woman, who are in stress, need in our daily diets. Supplements help, but it's a lot better if we get the sources naturally. Also, you can harm your body by taking too many...

But, I'm on the nutrional "band wagon" too. I enjoy learning about such things like you have posted.

I'm going to INDY this weekend, and the race tommorow...bv vacation starting in one hour. lol.
persona36
Hey ladies I have been reading all of your advices and own methods over the last few weeks and I have my own that seems to be working. I too did use yeast arrest and it was with great luck for me. Then I was working one day and saw a new product in my store called accuflora it is a pro-biotic acidophilus that isnt refrigerated. It has 500 million cfu's in it and so far I have had great luck. I havnt been eating too healthy so im not too into the health food thing but I have been hiking lately and drinking alot of water and coffee, go figure, I guess everyones bodies will respond differently at different times. I will be around and still keeping on the pro-biotics:)
bvgirl
QUOTE(persona36 @ May 27 2007, 06:59 AM) *
Hey ladies I have been reading all of your advices and own methods over the last few weeks and I have my own that seems to be working. I too did use yeast arrest and it was with great luck for me. Then I was working one day and saw a new product in my store called accuflora it is a pro-biotic acidophilus that isnt refrigerated. It has 500 million cfu's in it and so far I have had great luck. I havnt been eating too healthy so im not too into the health food thing but I have been hiking lately and drinking alot of water and coffee, go figure, I guess everyones bodies will respond differently at different times. I will be around and still keeping on the pro-biotics:)


Yes, I too use the yeast arrest and also take probiotics. They suggest that we take at least 2-12 billion cfu's or more live organism count when we have an active ph balance problem then I guess they suggest that you can use a lower count when you are just maintaining. I myself take 5 billion cfu's. Yes, everyone's body responds differently and if the 500 million cfu's works for you that is great but just to let you know if it ever fails then I suggest you may want take a higher live organism count. I too have increased my water intake and it feels great. Water flushes out the toxins and leaves your skin looking great..
arj75
I have a question to the ladies that are actually having luck in keeping their bv under control...Do most of you still have your mate wear a condom each time you have intercourse? Or is it possible that I may be able to enjoy sex in the future (when I do get mine under control) without having my partner wear a condom each time?

Thanks.

bvgirl
QUOTE(arj75 @ May 28 2007, 05:40 PM) *
I have a question to the ladies that are actually having luck in keeping their bv under control...Do most of you still have your mate wear a condom each time you have intercourse? Or is it possible that I may be able to enjoy sex in the future (when I do get mine under control) without having my partner wear a condom each time?

Thanks.


Well my honey is over in Iraq. So I am not having any intercourse but I can say this. It is suggested that a condom be worn because as you know sperm alters our ph also I have read where some condoms also may irritate and cause problems and or allergic reaction especially the ones with spermicides( you may want to research that more regarding condoms) and so with that being said if and when you decide to not wear a condom just understand that whatever product you use or have been using to fight bv you may need to use it after intercourse. I have been reading that a lot here that after intercourse you may get the bv smell and so you would have to use the product afterwards. I would say if you ask me my advice would be yes you should be able to enjoy sex without using a condom but just do not get upset if the bv is present after sex just know you will have to treat it. Many here have talked about this and I myself have read this to be true according to the ladies here.
anitsirhc
QUOTE(arj75 @ May 28 2007, 06:40 PM) *
I have a question to the ladies that are actually having luck in keeping their bv under control...Do most of you still have your mate wear a condom each time you have intercourse? Or is it possible that I may be able to enjoy sex in the future (when I do get mine under control) without having my partner wear a condom each time?

Thanks.


i agree with what bvgirl said in response to that. i've been using yeast arrest for a week and i had sex for the first time today (without a condom) in i can't even think of how long, and first of all it was the first time since last august that it didn't burn during sex. it actually felt good and normal. i am using the yeast arrest right now (i waited till it wasn't coming out of me anymore to have sex) and i'm fine still. i inserted one right after the sex. so i think from now on, even after i'm done with the yeast arrest every day, i will insert one after sex every time.

and bvgirl... are you still using the yeast arrest now? if not, how long did you use it and how long has it been since you used it. has the bv stayed away? it's working great for me right now, no smell or burning or anything at all, i'm just worried about what will happen once i stop using it.
arj75
I read this article in my book called "prescription for nutrional healing" by phyliss Balch. "regarding yeast infections" . I can't help but to get excited when I find information that I think could possibly help someone here...so "my out there theory that yeast are causing this chronic bv.. can not be to "out there" for some of us.... I'm quoting what the book listed here....

Candida albicans, a single-celled fungus, is always present in the genital and intestinal tracts. If it is present in disproportionate quantities, , however, it can cause infection. Diaper rash, vaginitis, and thrush are SOME of the possible manifestations of candida infection.

Because candidiasis can affect various parts of the body--the most common being the mouth, ears, nose,toenails, fingernails, gastrointestinal tract, and vagina. It can be characterized by a WIDE array of symtoms. These include constipation, diarrhea, colitis, abdominal pain, headaches, bad breath, rectal itching, impotence, memory loss, mood swings, prostatitis, cancer sores, persistent heartburn, muscle and joint pain, sore throat, congestion, nagging cough, numbness in the face or extremities, tingling sensations, acne, night sweats, severe itching, clogged sinuses, PMS, burning tongue, white spots on the tongue and in the mouth, extreme fatique, vaginitis, kidney and bladder infections, arthritis, depression, hyperactivity, hypothyroidism, adrenal problems, and even diabetes.

Symtoms often worsen when in damp or moldy places.....Because of its MANY and VARIED symtoms, this disorder is OFTEN misdiagnosed.
The debate continues as to whether candiasis exists in the body as the result, or the cause, of some immunologic diseases.
I just bolded the ones that I have been dealing with. I think this article can at least raise some more questions for our doctors here.
bvgirl
QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 28 2007, 09:33 PM) *
i agree with what bvgirl said in response to that. i've been using yeast arrest for a week and i had sex for the first time today (without a condom) in i can't even think of how long, and first of all it was the first time since last august that it didn't burn during sex. it actually felt good and normal. i am using the yeast arrest right now (i waited till it wasn't coming out of me anymore to have sex) and i'm fine still. i inserted one right after the sex. so i think from now on, even after i'm done with the yeast arrest every day, i will insert one after sex every time.

and bvgirl... are you still using the yeast arrest now? if not, how long did you use it and how long has it been since you used it. has the bv stayed away? it's working great for me right now, no smell or burning or anything at all, i'm just worried about what will happen once i stop using it.

I stated before that I need to purchase more and so I will in a few days but not due to the bv is back but because I think and I believe that many of us on here would agree that it is good to be on some kind of maintenance program with whatever product you have been using that works for you. I used yeast arrest for 21 days straight before stopping and I have been off of yeast arrest for a month and no smell although I thought I may have smelled it from time to time but it did not progress. I was to use it duing my periods and I did not but I will this next cycle. So bv smell has stayed away pretty much over a month. Of course, from time to time while I am not using the yeast arrest I feel uneasy because it could come back at any time but to say that I dont have to wear pads to cover up the smell or feeling uneasy at the gym because people may get a whiff of the bv...that has totally been off my plate not to deal with. I have not had those problems since I have been using yeast arrest. So I am feeling great about it and will continue to use it. Just understand that it may come back while you are off yeast arrest and so therefore it is a good idea to have it handy(I need to take my own advice huh lol)but like everyone knows here it is not a cure it just treats and so I am happy of the fact that it does at least that...
CanCan
QUOTE(neverending @ May 25 2007, 06:42 PM) *
OK, who wants to be the guinea pig? LOL! I've been reading a lot about zinc and I was wondering, has anyone ever tried zinc vaginally? blink.gif


I googled the whole 'vaginal zinc' idea this weekend, and lo-and-behold, yes, labs are trying that already, and doing testing. I guess that makes sense, since zinc is good for healing. And that it is being used already to fight infections topically. I have Desitin diaper rash cream here in my medicine cabinet, and I just pulled it out to read the ingredients: Zinc Oxide, BHA, cod liver oil, fragrance, lanolin, methylparaben, petrolatum, talc, water. O.k., I am going to guess that Neverending must mean using zinc as a douche or a tablet or something. I wouldn't use a cream, at least not this one, because it has oils that will clog the pores of your vagina, and prevent your natural secretion from coming out. Which is one of BV's problems, lack of moisture and lack of mucous. Maybe there is a zinc gel out there for this use already? In Europe, or Canada?

If someone is going to try using a vitamin tablet be very careful though, because I was reading something that made it sound like it is very tricky to do. It may work, but if the solution is too strong, your vaginal mucous lining will shed, which is what you do not want. I would experiment, but I don't know what the correct quantity of zinc would be to water. And I don't douche any more. Too scared to do that. But I would use a dropper of a zinc liquid, like some of us were doing with the hydrogen peroxide. You know, lying on your back, and just putting in half a dropper or so.

'...utility of zinc salts as microbicides and suggest that the application of zinc solutions to mucosal surfaces has the potential to cause damage that might increase susceptibility to secondary infections at a later time.' [http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=549274]

But I also read some positive reports:
http://www.stdjournal.com/pt/re/std/fullte...8091!-1#TT1

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20030099720.html
CanCan
QUOTE(neverending @ May 26 2007, 10:04 AM) *
Zinc
Benefits & Deficiency Symptoms
Zinc is considered an antioxidant. Zinc is also a natural antibacterial and anti-viral mineral. Zinc is found in all body fluids: therefore Zinc is a front line defense against infection-causing bacteria and viruses trying to enter the body. Zinc stops the replication process of the virus or bacteria. Those body fluids containing the most water also contain the most Zinc. Examples of such body fluids are tears, mucous, saliva and urine.

Zinc must be in proper balance to assist over 25 enzymatic functions, including digestion, metabolism, and reproduction. Often food processing removes all Zinc from the food we eat. Without Zinc in our diets, the proper assimilation of vitamins is nearly impossible.

Normal growth and development of young people is very dependent upon Zinc. The normal maintenance of body tissue, sexual functions, and chemical detoxification are all closely related to the amount of Zinc in the body. Zinc is also very important in the workings of the immune system and the synthesis of DNA in our cells. Recovery time after a major surgery is greatly decreased when the body contains the proper amount of Zinc.


I think it's a good idea to take a zinc supplement in your diet. Especially if you think that you have hormone related Bacterial Vaginosis. Or if you think you have estrogen dominance. I was just reading something that said that most people nowadays have estrogen dominance anyway. Phytoestrogens are chemicals in plants that behave like estrogens in humans. Phytoestrogens block zinc, magnesium, and iodine from being absorbed by the body. I looked at the list of foods that have phytoestrogens in them, and I was surprised to see that I eat some of those foods all the time. Garlic, apple, soybean, tofu, soy milk, alfalfa, flaxseed, carrot, squash, evening primrose oil, chamomile, milk thistle. And there are more, but these are the ones that I have in my diet. Soy milk I have multiple times a week. Sometimes every day. And estrogen levels in the body parallel copper levels. The birth control pill, IUD's, smoking, eating estrogen rich foods, using estrogen vaginal creams, menopause, etc. can raise copper levels. If you have too much copper, you don't have enough zinc. So you need to make sure you eat foods with zinc in it, or take a zinc supplement. Or cut back on high copper foods.

We need adequate zinc to heal the BV. In fact, if you have BV, you probably are low in zinc. Some women here are taking estrogen creams to help with the vaginal dryness. This will raise copper levels as well because some of the estrogen will pass through the vaginal walls into your bloodstream. Doctors sometimes prescribe progesterone cream to balance this out. Estrogen dominance can result from not necessarily too much estrogen, but too low progesterone. Using a progesterone cream apparently helps with vaginal dryness as well, but takes longer to work. And you can use it intravaginal for faster treatment, just like you would estrogen, but I haven't tried this yet.

After doing all of this reading non-stop for the past month, my conclusion is that I should have all of my blood work done. I want all of my hormone levels measured. I made an appointment with an endocrinologist for the middle of June. I think that a lot of these BV cases are somehow connected to our hormones. And yes, you can have a hormone imbalance even if you are a young woman. I know all the virgins out there will agree with me that they aren't going through menopause either.

I am so sure that I have a estrogen dominance problem, that I started taking progesterone cream last month. I did one complete cycle of it. And I feel so much better - that I decided to not take it for my next cycle, just wait to see a doctor for an official report. If I am taking these hormone creams, I am concerned that it will throw off my test results. And I don't want to be accidentally taking the wrong cream. I feel more relaxed now, knowing that I will hopefully have some answers soon to this problem. I just hope this doctor knows what she is doing.
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