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lori
QUOTE(CarrieBradshaw @ Mar 6 2008, 05:52 AM) *
TEA TREE OIL -- where do you buy this stuff??? I don't plan to use it for BV, however I have this neverending fungal infection between the webs of my fingers (GROSS, right?? and really, if it's not one thing, it's another!!!) and I've been reading that TTO can be a cure for fungal infections of the skin. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's really hard not to be able to use my hands properly!! smile.gif

Whole Foods (definitely), Trader Joe's (I think), and health/vitamin stores like Vitamin Shoppe.

Good luck. I think the TTO might sting a lot, in your case - if the skin is broken. So be careful.
whateverfitsyou
Hey, Quick question....How quick does BA works?
fustrated
Hi -- I am new to this. I have been dealing with BV since November and I am currently taking Femanol. Has anyone tried Femanol and if so what were your results? I have been reading on this site that Fem-dophilus and Flagyl is something to keep in mind. My question is where do you get Flagyl? Is that something you have to call your doctor for? I am glad that I am not the only person going through this. IT SUCKS!
whateverfitsyou
I have like a month old prescription for flagyl. Do you any of you think i could still get the medicine? I just dont wanna go through the hassle of going back to the doctor & waiting 3 hours at the minimum for a presciption!
RN with BV
QUOTE(whateverfitsyou @ Mar 6 2008, 10:10 PM) *
I have like a month old prescription for flagyl. Do you any of you think i could still get the medicine? I just dont wanna go through the hassle of going back to the doctor & waiting 3 hours at the minimum for a presciption!


you should have no problem gettin script filled, scripts are usually good for up to a year, no problems go drop it off at the pharmacy...(I used to write refill scripts when I worked in an office (it was part of the job) trust me filling a flagyl script that is a month old is NOT any kind of red flag at the pharmacy)
jewelscando
QUOTE(Morphia @ Dec 12 2007, 12:39 PM) *
Hey guys! Long time no post. Here to update. So far I'm STILL culturing negative for the Strep B, I'm not showing any signs of BV on my wet mount save for "a few clue cells that aren't consistent with the ones he was looking for" and I STILL smell, burn and cannot have sex b/c of the pain. My doc even had two other doctors look at my wetprep the last time I saw him and the only thing strange they could find was NO lactobacilli. Well, I can't fix that. I broke down and tried sticking a probiotic up there and all it did was irritate me more and make me leak out a bright yellow substance that stained my underwear. (The pill is a VERY light yellow until its gets moist and then it turns a radioactive yellow. lol) So, my doctor had a compounding pharmacy make up some tea tree oil suppositories. Supposedly its supposed to help restore the natural flora he says.

Well, before I try that I'm thinking I'd like to try the one antibiotic I haven't tried yet...Metrogel. I bet after using that I'll culture positive for the Strep again....


Lori,

This came from Morphia back in December. Her doctor stated that the TTO would HELP restore the natural Flora in the Vagina. That is what it's done for me. I'm not masking anything. My BV is gone. I don't use the TTO, unless I have sex. And that's only because of fear of it coming back. Same thing goes for you continuing to take the pills, in fear it would come back. As I've stated before, sperm and I, don't get along. And it throws off the PH in my vagina. The TTO, restores the ph, and prevents me from the re-occurance of BV.

So, I'm not just shoving stuff up my vagina. I've naturally healed the imbalance of the bad bacteria taking over down there. And there's no masking the smell. It's normal now. Masking would be if I had to use it daily, which I don't. In fact, I haven't used it now, in over two weeks. And there's nothing going on down there. So, again, maybe I'm using the wrong verbage when I say there is no cure. I don't believe Cure is the word. I believe now, that it's all about preventative maintenance. If you can prevent the bad bacteria from taking over, then you have found yourself a cure.
lori
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 6 2008, 08:48 PM) *
I don't use the TTO, unless I have sex. And that's only because of fear of it coming back. Same thing goes for you continuing to take the pills, in fear it would come back. As I've stated before, sperm and I, don't get along. And it throws off the PH in my vagina. The TTO, restores the ph, and prevents me from the re-occurance of BV.

I haven't taken the Fem-dophilus since October. That's 5 months BV-free, with no pills or any "maintenance." And sex and periods have not caused problems. I've also had a GYN exam in December which showed that I'm BV-free. We were both very happy about that!

Anyway, this isn't a competition about "your vagina is healthier than mine!" Trust me, I want everyone here to just get healthy, period. You have your theories about how best to treat this, and I respect that. Everyone should do what they want with their bodies.
asder
Alwaysonmymind Hé, you already probably know, but who are different from HPV is right Displaysia cervix. The latter is an abnormal proliferation of cells on the collar which can be removed, but the VPH occurs always around. It is also regarded as a MST (in the past called genital warts), thus should be to you independently of the use of the condom bv or not. I use
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jewelscando
"FYI - I took it religiously for 8 months since 2/2007. That was probably longer than necessary but I was paranoid, because I suffered with BV for so long. Who knew the solution was so simple? I finally felt confident to stop taking it since October, and have been BV-free since."

Lori, I agree. This is definately not a competition. I was just pointing out what you had said, that you had probably taken the pills longer then needed. Same goes for me with the TTO. I don't know if I still need to use it after sex. I only due, because of the fear of it coming back.

I'm so happy for you that have been able to conquer this!! That is the goal for everyone!!!
JJ27
Very, very, helpful! Thanks Maggie!!!!!! laugh.gif


QUOTE(mfc10 @ Mar 5 2008, 07:00 PM) *
The strains of lactobacili in Femdophilus are not the same as in Culturelle. Gregor Reid is one of the patent holders for these very specific, patented strains.

One thing that helped me when I had bladder problems was marshmallow root tea. It is available in many health-food stores.

If you have a compounding pharmacy in your area, a doctor or nurse-practitioner can prescribe boric acid capsules for you. The compounding pharmacist makes them up. Mine added a little powdered acidophilus for good measure. They worked great! wink.gif

Cheers,
Maggie

JJ27
Thanks Lori you know your shit! What are your office hrs?? LOL!!!! I truly appreciate your comments and I'm not confused anymore. Oh wait maybe I still am :-) Should I take the Clindesse again just to be sure and then use the Fem D as maintenance? According to the tracking # should be at my door when I get home. I will take according to the package directions. Yeah, I thought so with the Culturelle. Thanks again! tongue.gif


QUOTE(lori @ Mar 6 2008, 01:46 AM) *
Hi Sassy! I took a course of flagyl, and began taking the Fem-dophilus as I was taking the flagyl. BV never came back (as it has before, many times). I took 2/day for a while, then 1/day.
Hey Jewels! Missed you too!

I have to say though - I think it's just plain wrong to say that there is no cure. Flagyl cures BV. It just sets the stage for recurrence (by also killing off all the good bacteria with the bad). There is a difference between recurrence and relapse.

Anyway, I just want to address a few questions without quoting everyone individually. I hope this answers everything:

- Fem-dophilus is sold at Whole Foods in the probiotics section. (They keep all their probiotics refrigerated.)

- I think Cipro is prescribed for some vaginal problems (such as DIV, mycoplasma, ureaplasma, etc.) Ask your doctor.

- Thanks for putting up the Dr. Reid lecture. Awesome! I'll add it to my blog later. I would like to point out that women put Fem-dophilus in their vaginas as part of a clinical trial. Basically they're human guinea pigs, and also under doctors' care, in case anything goes wrong. And Dr. Reid made clear that this is not FDA approved use of his product. The reason I'm so anti- about putting this in your vagina is because I dropped by this thread a couple of months ago, and some ladies have obviously tried it, and have had bad results with weird stuff coming out of their vaginas afterwards. So ... I wouldn't do it. As always, it's your choice. But at the very least, see first if it works for you if you just take it orally.

I certainly hope that Dr. Reid is working on a vaginal product, though. Something like Monistat - a cream or suppository, that's safe to use. That would be awesome.

- I also want to point out - boric acid, TTO, peroxide etc. - I think it's been firmly determined that these remedies are not a cure. At best they just mask the symptoms. It's like using mouthwash, when your bad breath is caused by a health problem. It will freshen you up for a little while, but the problem won't go away. Also, I think the use of these products also inhibit the growth of the good bacteria, so you're not letting your vagina find the right balance.

I suffered with BV for over 7 years. Trust me, I know how awful it can be. And I know how it feels to be desperate to just get rid of it. I know what it's like to be afraid to have sex, afraid to uncross my legs, and sticking all sorts of things in my vagina just hoping and praying it would work this time. I even know how doctors can be such uncaring assholes who just don't fucking listen.

I'm so happy that that is finally behind me. I'm still paranoid that it will happen again, but I've been feeling good for about a year now. A healthy vagina shouldn't start stinking after normal activity - which includes unprotected sex with a healthy man, and getting your period. I know all about pH levels and stuff - and I used to dread sex and getting periods. But now I finally feel normal again. Just because you've been exposed to low pH for a while shouldn't mean it will mess you up right away.

So you guys need to let your vagina find the balance. Let it grow the good bacteria so it can fight off the bad stuff. That's the only answer. Fem-dophilus, people. Read this entire thread, and you'll see, it's the one thing that's really worked for anyone. I have tried so hard to not sound like a shill - because I freaking hate it when people trumpet cure-alls when they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Also, I think all this boric acid and tea tree oil you guys are shoving up your coochies are not helping you in the long run. I understand that you guys are sick of the stinkiness - but this is about your health, not just about deodorizing your vagina. If your vagina is healthy, it won't smell nasty. So focus on the health.

- Oh yeah, I think someone already answered this question - but Culturelle is to help you poop. Like Activia yogurt. Won't help out your BV situation.
ellie-a
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 7 2008, 03:48 PM) *
Lori,

This came from Morphia back in December. Her doctor stated that the TTO would HELP restore the natural Flora in the Vagina. That is what it's done for me. I'm not masking anything. My BV is gone. I don't use the TTO, unless I have sex. And that's only because of fear of it coming back. Same thing goes for you continuing to take the pills, in fear it would come back. As I've stated before, sperm and I, don't get along. And it throws off the PH in my vagina. The TTO, restores the ph, and prevents me from the re-occurance of BV.

So, I'm not just shoving stuff up my vagina. I've naturally healed the imbalance of the bad bacteria taking over down there. And there's no masking the smell. It's normal now. Masking would be if I had to use it daily, which I don't. In fact, I haven't used it now, in over two weeks. And there's nothing going on down there. So, again, maybe I'm using the wrong verbage when I say there is no cure. I don't believe Cure is the word. I believe now, that it's all about preventative maintenance. If you can prevent the bad bacteria from taking over, then you have found yourself a cure.


Hey Jewels, you took the words right out of my mouth. smile.gif As we know, there are numerous triggers for BV, but it always comes down to one thing and that is, the vaginal flora or pH being altered from it's natural balance, thus allowing normal levels of bacteria to take a hold and (as in BV) take over. The TTO seems to normalise the vaginal flora, not just 'mask' the symptoms, and this stands to reason, as TTO is an anti-fungal agent. so it seems that by reducing any fungal overgrowth, the TTO facilitates the return of normal vaginal pH (and fungal and bacterial) levels.

Personally, I've used the TTO twice now, with tremendous success. Admittedly in each case it took two applications over the course of 48 hours to work, but I still think that's a pretty damn good trade-off for the alternative. The only mistake I made the second time was waiting about 5 days after sex to 'see' how I'd go. Sure enough, my BV symptoms started returning, so definitely treatment straight after sex is the way to go.
lori
QUOTE(ellie-a @ Mar 7 2008, 10:01 PM) *
Hey Jewels, you took the words right out of my mouth. smile.gif As we know, there are numerous triggers for BV, but it always comes down to one thing and that is, the vaginal flora or pH being altered from it's natural balance, thus allowing normal levels of bacteria to take a hold and (as in BV) take over. The TTO seems to normalise the vaginal flora, not just 'mask' the symptoms, and this stands to reason, as TTO is an anti-fungal agent. so it seems that by reducing any fungal overgrowth, the TTO facilitates the return of normal vaginal pH (and fungal and bacterial) levels.

BV and fungus are not the same thing.

Also, the V Book says that TTO has no activity against BV or yeast.

QUOTE(JJ27 @ Mar 7 2008, 01:08 PM) *
Thanks Lori you know your shit! What are your office hrs?? LOL!!!! I truly appreciate your comments and I'm not confused anymore. Oh wait maybe I still am :-) Should I take the Clindesse again just to be sure and then use the Fem D as maintenance? According to the tracking # should be at my door when I get home. I will take according to the package directions. Yeah, I thought so with the Culturelle. Thanks again! tongue.gif

You're welcome, glad to help.

Yeah, I would use the prescription, and then use Fem-doph as maintenance. Take 2/day for at least 2 weeks - that's my suggestion, and then take 1/day.
ellie-a
QUOTE(lori @ Mar 8 2008, 06:07 PM) *
BV and fungus are not the same thing.

Also, the V Book says that TTO has no activity against BV or yeast.
You're welcome, glad to help.

Yeah, I would use the prescription, and then use Fem-doph as maintenance. Take 2/day for at least 2 weeks - that's my suggestion, and then take 1/day.



Hi Lori,

True, BV IS bacterial, however apparently TTO is anti-fungal, anti-viral AND anti-bacterial. It's magic stuff, and in my case (and many others) it works.

By the way, a quick search on the web a few moments ago revealed the following info:

Tea Tree oil displays a number of remarkable properties making a very effective oil for a wide range of complaints. Foremost and what makes Tea Tree outstanding in comparison to other remedies, is that it is active against all three varieties of infectious organisms: Bacteria Fungi and Viruses. Independent microbiological testing has confirmed the effectiveness of Tea Tree oil in fighting infection is further backed up by its ability to protect itself and to respond appropriately.

GENITO-URINARY SYSTEM: Thrush, vaginitis, cystitis, pruitis.

Antiseptic / Bacretrial Properties of tea tree oil
Treatment of cuts, burns, insect bites, infected splinters and all kinds of
wounds, especially dirty or ones which contain puss. As an antiseptic it is
valuable for general skin care, spots, acne and blackheads etc. As a general
disinfectant it is especially useful for respiratory or genito-urinary tract
infections i.e. bronchitis and sinusitis or cystitis.

Anti-fungal Properties of tea tree oil
Tea Tree's effective treatment for ringworm, athletes foot, thrush (candida). It
has also been used to combat fungal diseases affecting animals fish and plants.

In light of the above, I'm surprised the V Book would make those claims.

Having said that, we're all in the same boat and just trying to find a solution to this evil BV problem on our own....it's all about whatever works, and I think everyone on this forum is doing a great job of trying to nut this one out. Lots of support here...very heartening indeed! smile.gif

jewelscando
Well, just like anything, what works for you, is what you need to continue to do.

I found another website that might be helpfull to some of you newbies.

Here's a clip from it:

Tea tree oil suppositories or douches. With this Bacterial Vaginosis remedy, you insert diluted Tea tree oil or tea tree oil suppositories directly into your vagina for up to 6 weeks. Apparently tea tree oil is thought to have antifungal properties that attack the “bad” bacteria that cause Bacterial Vaginosis. Please note that you should never apply tea tree oil directly to the sensitive vaginal lining as it can cause an allergic reaction.

http://www.bacterialvaginosisrecurrent.com..._that_work.html

Again, I really believe in what Lori says. I think BV must be treated from the inside out. What she's using, has killed her BV, however, I personally feel she's been very lucky that it has not returned, and does not have to continue with the pills.

I know with myself, there's lifestyle things that cause mine, IE smoking. And once I give that up, I might not have to continue with the preventative. I also had a hysterectomy, so I do not have periods like most of you. I am I'm sure getting close to starting menopause, which I'm sure your V Book states that this can trigger the imbalance in the vagina which might cause BV.

So, for now, I will continue with the Tea Tree Oil, because it's working. If it stops working, then I will spend the money on the other stuff Lori suggests!!

Thanks for all your input!! Especially yours Lori!! I love hearing what you have to say!
lori
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 8 2008, 09:52 AM) *
What she's using, has killed her BV, however, I personally feel she's been very lucky that it has not returned, and does not have to continue with the pills.

I disagree that I've just been "very lucky." Fem-dophilus has been working for me for over a year. I began taking it in 2/2007, which is when I first started posting in this thread. I've described time and time again why probiotics is the best solution, and I've backed it up with research. And Fem-doph has worked for many people in here, not just me. It's the only reputable product specifically targeted for repopulating the good bacteria in the vagina.

Just lucky? No.

And I think trying to "kill the BV" is the wrong approach. It's not just about killing bacteria. Lots of things kill bacteria (including antibiotics, peroxide, boric acid, soap, TTO) but they don't prevent BV from coming back. Simply wiping out the bacteria just doesn't work.

This thread has been around almost 2 years, and many ladies have posted many ideas (some of them dangerous!). I'm just glad no one is telling anyone to buy illegal prescription flagyl over the net and sticking them straight up their vaginas anymore. You know I like you Jewels, but you are definitely ... um, adventurous.

Anyway, TTO has been tried before, and it hasn't turned out to be the cure-all everyone hopes for. Everyone gets excited about something for a few weeks, and then everyone tries it, and then a few weeks later, everyone is disappointed.

--

Anyway, to put it simply- instead of trying to "kill the BV" ourselves - we have to grow the good stuff, and let IT get to work "killing the BV" and other bad stuff (like yeast) all the time. Let the good bacteria take over the vagina, and let it do its job of protecting your vagina, rather than us trying to fight the BV on our own with topical antiseptics.

As I said before - I think that if you have the right balance in your vagina, you won't have to worry about normal low-pH events anymore, like sex with a healthy man or getting your period. These are NORMAL things that happen, and even though they might throw off your pH, they shouldn't trigger new BV, because your vagina will regain its balance.
jewelscando
QUOTE(lori @ Mar 8 2008, 09:46 PM) *
I disagree that I've just been "very lucky." Fem-dophilus has been working for me for over a year. I began taking it in 2/2007, which is when I first started posting in this thread. I've described time and time again why probiotics is the best solution, and I've backed it up with research. And Fem-doph has worked for many people in here, not just me. It's the only reputable product specifically targeted for repopulating the good bacteria in the vagina.

Just lucky? No.

And I think trying to "kill the BV" is the wrong approach. It's not just about killing bacteria. Lots of things kill bacteria (including antibiotics, peroxide, boric acid, soap, TTO) but they don't prevent BV from coming back. Simply wiping out the bacteria just doesn't work.

This thread has been around almost 2 years, and many ladies have posted many ideas (some of them dangerous!). I'm just glad no one is telling anyone to buy illegal prescription flagyl over the net and sticking them straight up their vaginas anymore. You know I like you Jewels, but you are definitely ... um, adventurous.

Anyway, TTO has been tried before, and it hasn't turned out to be the cure-all everyone hopes for. Everyone gets excited about something for a few weeks, and then everyone tries it, and then a few weeks later, everyone is disappointed.

Anyway, to put it simply- instead of trying to "kill the BV" ourselves - we have to grow the good stuff, and let IT get to work "killing the BV" and other bad stuff (like yeast) all the time. Let the good bacteria take over the vagina, and let it do its job of protecting your vagina, rather than us trying to fight the BV on our own with topical antiseptics.

As I said before - I think that if you have the right balance in your vagina, you won't have to worry about normal low-pH events anymore, like sex with a healthy man or getting your period. These are NORMAL things that happen, and even though they might throw off your pH, they shouldn't trigger new BV, because your vagina will regain its balance.


I understand what you are saying, and what I meant by "Lucky" is that you have been able to stop using the Fem-dophilus. And you were able to get your vagina to the right balance and STAY in the right balance. That is what confuses me. Because, Flagyl is supposse to do that. And we all have been on several doses of Flagyl, to no avail, it continues to return. So, WHY after taking the Fem for 10 months or whatever it was that you took, how did that, and that alone, keep your vagina in the right balance?? That is what confuses me. Mine is out of balance. Regardless of what "ADVENTUROUS" things I try to do, it continues to stay out of balance. So, by you taking the Fem, it allowed you to get back in to balance BUT HOW DID IT STAY IN BALANCE??? That's my fear of trying the Fem. I'm horrible at taking pills, and I know I won't take them like I'm supposse to, because I will forget. So, after I take them, at what point will I be 100% positive that it won't come back? I didn't do anything to bring it on in the first place. So, how do I know not what to do, to bring it back on.

Point is, theres got to be more then just taking the pills that you have done Lori, to keep it away. Changed eating habits? Stopped smoking? Whatever the case may be.... I'm confused at why now, your vagina has decided to NOT have a bout with BV, just because you took the Fem for 10 months straight. How are you keeping the vagina under control? I don't have periods, so I don't have that mess to worry about, in changing the PH in my vagina. You do... So... anyways, I'm just confused. hahaha dry.gif
lori
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 8 2008, 02:30 PM) *
And you were able to get your vagina to the right balance and STAY in the right balance. That is what confuses me.

I know.

QUOTE
Because, Flagyl is supposse to do that.

No.

I've explained this in my blog, and also in many posts in this thread. Flagyl doesn't help restore the balance.

This is why:

As you know, there is GOOD bacteria (lactobacillus) and BAD bacteria (gardnerella) in your vagina. In a healthy vagina, the GOOD outnumbers the BAD, and keeps the BAD from taking over. But when the BAD bacteria takes over, that's when you get BV.

Right?

So we take flagyl, and that kills the BAD bacteria. But it also kills off the GOOD bacteria, and does nothing to help the GOOD bacteria grow back.

Get it?

This is why so many of us have recurrences. Flagyl kills the BAD bacteria, so we feel better for a little while. But because it also killed off the GOOD bacteria, the BAD bacteria grows back again.

QUOTE
And we all have been on several doses of Flagyl, to no avail, it continues to return.


I know. Me too.

QUOTE
So, WHY after taking the Fem for 10 months or whatever it was that you took, how did that, and that alone, keep your vagina in the right balance?? That is what confuses me.


Because Fem-dophilus contains the good bacteria! laugh.gif Ta-da!

And it's designed to make sure that good bacteria ends up in your vagina when you take it orally.

Do you understand now?

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Mine is out of balance. Regardless of what "ADVENTUROUS" things I try to do, it continues to stay out of balance. So, by you taking the Fem, it allowed you to get back in to balance BUT HOW DID IT STAY IN BALANCE???

Fem-doph replaces the good bacteria I lost.

Obviously, Fem-doph is making sure that I have enough good bacteria in my vagina that's keeping the bad from taking over.

QUOTE
That's my fear of trying the Fem. I'm horrible at taking pills, and I know I won't take them like I'm supposse to, because I will forget.

I think swallowing pills once a day is easier than making TTO capsules and putting it in your vagina. (Get one of those week-long pill cases. That always helps me remember.)

QUOTE
So, after I take them, at what point will I be 100% positive that it won't come back?

According to the research, it's clinically proven that the good bacteria begins to colonize in 2 weeks.

QUOTE
Point is, theres got to be more then just taking the pills that you have done Lori, to keep it away. Changed eating habits? Stopped smoking? Whatever the case may be....

No.

QUOTE
I'm confused at why now, your vagina has decided to NOT have a bout with BV, just because you took the Fem for 10 months straight.

I hope I've explained the good-bad bacteria situation above.

My vagina didn't magically decide to stop having BV one day. I just made sure that I replaced the good bacteria. Fem-doph helped me do that.

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Thanks for telling me how you feel, Jewels. I'm not saying anyone needs to take Fem-doph. But you obviously didn't understand HOW it works, so I've explained it as clearly as I could. I hope it makes sense to you.
lori
I want to add that fem-dophilus alone isn't the cure. If you want, you can just start taking it and see if it helps you.

But this is the plan of action I would recommend:

1. Start with a GYN exam. Everyone woman should have one regularly, so get yourself to a doctor and get a checkup.

2. Make sure it's BV, and not something else, esp. an STD. If you read this entire thread, you'll see that there are plenty of posters thought they had BV, and went to the doctor and found out that it was an STD. So get an annual check-up and make sure that your problem is BV.

3. Get your prescription. If your doctor gives you a choice, I think oral flagyl is the best option. (I've explained in my blog why I think that. I've tried everything - oral/vaginal flagyl, and oral/vaginal clindamycin.)

4. Start using Fem-doph while using your prescription. Take 2/day.

5. Drop down to 1/day after 2 weeks at the earliest.
arj75
Hello everyone!

Lori, I'm really happy for that you have had sucess with the fem!

I'm currently taking one fem a day in morning and one ultimate flora at night. I also am taking flagyl (3rd time?) I usually use the metro-gel because that is what I have the neverending script for, but it's like $70 per script.

I did break down and try the boric acid even though it scared the crap of me, and it did kill the smell, and if the stinch comes back after my cycle, I will use it again. Anyways, someone asked about finding the boric acid? The pharmacy I go to has it behind their counter - you just have to ask for it.

I'm working at an STD clinic now..and I have witnessed several woman that were diagnosed with BV..but when their pap smear came back bam! They got the bad news that they have Trich. The lab techs are very busy..and if the wet mount isnt prepared right (using too cold of a solution )(which they don't give a crap about if they do or don't) to prepare the slide..it stops thier happy whipping tails and makes them harder to see. (They like it hot lol) If only I could be that lucky, sad to wish for an std instead of BV lol

I didn't know this, maybe it has already been said..men just carry trich, and usually have no symtoms. The men are never tested for it, they only find out they have it when the partner is diagnosed. The flagyl is used to kill trich as well, but the doctors have the partners infected take 500mg every 6 hours over a 24 hour period.

Hope we all feel better soon!

By the way did anyone see 20/20 on TV the other night?? It was about that disorder someone was speaking off, where the women can stink up a whole gymnasium with the fish funk. She taped it for me.. I havent had time to watch it yet.

www.femalepatient.com Trimethylaminuria; a noninfectious cause of vaginal odor enzyme disorder? hmmm
Here's a good link...maybe it is not as rare as they think..I'm sure some cases are not quite as severe as others.
mfc10
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 8 2008, 12:52 PM) *
Well, just like anything, what works for you, is what you need to continue to do.....
I am I'm sure getting close to starting menopause, which I'm sure your V Book states that this can trigger the imbalance in the vagina which might cause BV.


Hi, Jewels...After using boric acid for a couple of weeks, back when I was having recurring bouts of BV & yeast infections, I then used tea tree oil suppositories that I bought at my local healthfood store (also available online) for maintenance purposes. I did this for about 2 months, using a piece of a suppository every other day.

The TTO was wonderful. I found a link via Google Scholar (I no longer have quick access to it) that tested TTO in vitro on strains of the good vaginal lactobacili. It showed that it did not kill off the good bacteria, unlike boric acid & most prescription meds. It does have effective antiviral, antifungal & antibacterial properties. (I read that it even will kill the MRSA antibiotic-resistant staph bacteria that has been much in the news in the recent past.)

I've been BV-free for about 2 years now. My method is to use either a blob of Estrace estrogen cream (Rx) or a blob of SYLK (pH=4.7) lubricant every day. I also take Fem Dophilus when I remember to! I'm 51 & am peri-menopausal. smile.gif

Cheers!
Maggie
lori
QUOTE(arj75 @ Mar 8 2008, 04:14 PM) *
Hello everyone!

Lori, I'm really happy for that you have had sucess with the fem!

I'm working at an STD clinic now..and I have witnessed several woman that were diagnosed with BV..but when their pap smear came back bam! They got the bad news that they have Trich. The lab techs are very busy..and if the wet mount isnt prepared right (using too cold of a solution )(which they don't give a crap about if they do or don't) to prepare the slide..it stops thier happy whipping tails and makes them harder to see. (They like it hot lol) If only I could be that lucky, sad to wish for an std instead of BV lol

I didn't know this, maybe it has already been said..men just carry trich, and usually have no symtoms. The men are never tested for it, they only find out they have it when the partner is diagnosed. The flagyl is used to kill trich as well, but the doctors have the partners infected take 500mg every 6 hours over a 24 hour period.

Hi arj75. Thank you for sharing that.

I wrote previously in this thread (and in my blog) that I think it's possible that some women have Trich, instead of BV.

- According to my research, only 40-60% of Trich is caught by wet mounts
- The symptoms are similar (odor and discharge color)
- The cure is similar (1 week of oral Flagyl), so a lot of women don't know they even had Trich, they just think it was BV
- I think only 10% of men show symptoms

Based on these facts, I think it's very easy to have Trich, but think it's BV.

Arj75's experience confirms that this is definitely something to watch out for. One more reason to get a thorough GYN checkup.

At least two posters in this thread ended up having Trich, too, when they thought it was just BV.

So if you always get BV again after unprotected sex with a partner, definitely get a Trich culture, don't just rely on a wet mount. Your partner needs to be treated, too!
konphusion26
Well with all this talk about the Fem-D, I've been taking it for over 2 months now, and its not really doing anything for me. Probably because I keep bleeding and have a hormonal imbalance. that's the only thing I can think of that causes mine. I've been taking the B vitamins, regular multivitamins, folic acid, Fem-D and do the boric acid a few times a week, tried the TTO a few times. I'm getting to the point where I'm angry as hell at the doctors, all they want to do is pump you full of antibiotics and hormones that do nada. Nothing seems to be working long term except the boric acid. Soon as I stop that though, the symptoms come right back almost immediately. This is unbelievable.

I feel like a friggin broken record in this thread lol Congrats to all the BV free busties, I'm happy for you!

HEY JEWELS!!!!
lori
QUOTE(konphusion26 @ Mar 8 2008, 06:27 PM) *
Well with all this talk about the Fem-D, I've been taking it for over 2 months now, and its not really doing anything for me. Probably because I keep bleeding and have a hormonal imbalance. that's the only thing I can think of that causes mine. I've been taking the B vitamins, regular multivitamins, folic acid, Fem-D and do the boric acid a few times a week, tried the TTO a few times.

As I posted before, I think the boric acid and the TTO may be inhibiting the growth of the good bacteria. I.e., using those is counter-productive to what you're trying to achieve with the Fem-doph.
SpRiNkLeS
Hey girls!
So I FINALLY tried the tea tree oil douche two nights ago. OH MY GOSH….can I say A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!! Quite an experience this was. My kitty has not felt THAT good in like….who the hell knows!!!!!!!!!!!! WoW. WOW. Like…WHOA. So I wish I tried this a month ago when it was all the rage here. Seriously Jewels is right it totally feels like someone is lightly blowing on you and yes your vagina DOES feel like the equivalent to when you gargle with mouthwash, um like you know in your mouth. There is just this overwhelming feeling of cleanliness and freshness that just feels so………………..feminine. Finally I was able to remember what my life was like BV free two years ago and this just motivates me to keep on keeping on. So I LOVE LOVE LOVE this douche and I will definitely douche again but I don’t want to overdo it so I was thinking of using it every other night.

I’d like to give a friendly welcome to all the newbies: lisabon, fustrated, Lucecita, Stressed43, LilMissStrange, Cynthia K…and JJ congrats on not being a newbie anymore! ;P Hehe I was totally excited when that happened to me. RN with BV I like your Jessica Rabbit avatar! Totally cute. Hi Lori! I know you’re not a newbie because I remember your name as one from way back but I just wanted to say hi to you too. Anyone else if I notice that I’ve left you out I’ll totally send a hug vibe. I may not know you but because you have BV I know what you go through seeing as I go through the same exact shit. What does not kill us will only make us stronger in the end so remember that!!!!!!

As always happens when I’m busy I finally check into this thread and there’s like a TON of posts to read. My goodness ladies! I don’t understand what’s going on but for some reason ya’ll are forgetting what we have all finally agreed upon in this forum and that is OUR BODIES ARE ALL DIFFERENT. I am so very happy for all you ladies whose BV has been cured but seriously it is pretty juvenile to say that if their BV was NOT cured by what cured you then theirs is probably not really cured at all. If someone’s BV was not cured by what you tried you know what that means? Ka-ching! *lightbulb flickers on* She has a totally different body than you do. I personally tried FemD for a while last year without using anything else but a multivitamin and acidophilus and besides spending a crapload of money it didn’t do a thing for me. I totally wish it did but it didn’t. I also think some girls are “lucky” too because seriously some just try one thing, like B-6 and then their BV is cured. We all read posts on here of girls who say they tried this one thing, which we have probably all tried, and for some reason their BV was actually cured just from that one thing while ours was not. I am very happy for them but obviously their body is very different from mine if it worked on them, yet not on me.

So anyway I’m lovin the TTO it is quite amazing. Even if it only works that once (and no discharge AT ALL for the next day!! SERIOUSLY and this is amazing in itself) it was well worth the experience for me. It felt SO GOOD to feel normal again!
SpRiNkLeS
Just wanted to say that I’m in the menopause club with my twinny twin Konphusion (hey twin! *waves*) and we are in our twenties yet our bodies are so hormonally messed up that it thinks we are in menopause. Anyway anyone with jacked up menopausal symptoms are welcome to join! We are a friendly bunch smile.gif

This TTO douche is great so far and I really hope it continues to get rid of my symptoms BUT I know it probably won’t be MY cure (hopefully I’m wrong!). I am waiting for my hormones to balance out (through BC) and unfortunately because I’ve been so busy lately I forgot to set up an appointment with a new doctor I was recommended to over here so I ran out of birth control pills and it’s been a week now so I probably have to start all over! My last doctor said the birth control takes anywhere from like 2 to 3 months to 6 months to totally work in balancing out the hormones but you HAVE to take it continuously. Boo friggin hoo! So now I gotta start all over.

So I was thinking about changing to Nuvaring. I was horrible at taking the pills at the same exact time every day. Either that or I was reading up on Yaz and that particular form of BC is being targeted for pre-menopausal women SO that could be good for me too.

Anyone tried these?
arj75
QUOTE(mfc10 @ Mar 8 2008, 09:24 PM) *
Hi, Jewels...After using boric acid for a couple of weeks, back when I was having recurring bouts of BV & yeast infections, I then used tea tree oil suppositories that I bought at my local healthfood store (also available online) for maintenance purposes. I did this for about 2 months, using a piece of a suppository every other day.

The TTO was wonderful. I found a link via Google Scholar (I no longer have quick access to it) that tested TTO in vitro on strains of the good vaginal lactobacili. It showed that it did not kill off the good bacteria, unlike boric acid & most prescription meds. It does have effective antiviral, antifungal & antibacterial properties. (I read that it even will kill the MRSA antibiotic-resistant staph bacteria that has been much in the news in the recent past.)

I've been BV-free for about 2 years now. My method is to use either a blob of Estrace estrogen cream (Rx) or a blob of SYLK (pH=4.7) lubricant every day. I also take Fem Dophilus when I remember to! I'm 51 & am peri-menopausal. smile.gif

Cheers!
Maggie


Thanks for sharing the info about the TTO Maggie MRSA is a big epidemic in the county in which I live. I actually did a research paper on it awhile back...and well, yep..MRSA and VRE? are being found in vaginal cultures. Really really sad...two deaths this year from MRSA in two young women (in their 20's) who were otherwise healthy..one woman was pregnant.

I haven't tried tea-tree oil yet, but I think I might. I did like the boric.

jewelscando
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Thanks for telling me how you feel, Jewels. I'm not saying anyone needs to take Fem-doph. But you obviously didn't understand HOW it works, so I've explained it as clearly as I could. I hope it makes sense to you.
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Well, most of everything I understand. But what I STILL DON'T understand, is you've restored the good bacteria. I understand that. SO.... HOW DID YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP IT RESTORED??? My fear is, if I restore the good bacteria, how do I keep it good??? Does that make sense??
quietmadness
QUOTE(arj75 @ Mar 8 2008, 08:14 PM) *
............By the way did anyone see 20/20 on TV the other night?? It was about that disorder someone was speaking off, where the women can stink up a whole gymnasium with the fish funk. She taped it for me.. I havent had time to watch it yet.........



Hey ARJ---Do you happen to have a link to a video of that?? I'd really like to watch it.

Thanks,
--Quiet--
konphusion26
MUCH LOVE FOR SPRINKLES!! Hey twin! The TTO douche does feel lovely. I just cant use the oil undiluted in the capsules. Heck I know we're not really supposed to douche, but i figure what do i have to lose? The BV already came back lol cant make it much worse.

I've tried yaz, but since i usually forget to take pills, I wasnt on any type of schedule with them. So that probably screwed me up and didnt get a chance to really work. But they were the only ones I've taken that didnt make me sick. Only side effect i had was my boobs got bigger. LOL With my insurance now though, they'll be $51 for a refill. YIKES.
lori
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 9 2008, 09:38 AM) *
Well, most of everything I understand. But what I STILL DON'T understand, is you've restored the good bacteria. I understand that. SO.... HOW DID YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP IT RESTORED??? My fear is, if I restore the good bacteria, how do I keep it good??? Does that make sense??

I can't explain it any clearer than I have, Jewels.

But here's an excerpt from Prevention Magazine that I hope helps you:

Top Medical Breakthroughs of 2007

Breakthrough that speeds treatment of vaginal infections

Probiotics--friendly bacteria that thrive in the body--are known to prevent or even cure yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis. Now there's an OTC supplement containing the two Lactobacillus strains documented to promote vaginal health. The probiotic pill Fem-Dophilus has erased up to 90% of vaginal bacterial infections and significantly reduced yeast growth in trials by coating the lining of vaginal tissues and producing acids that keep pathogens from gaining a foothold. When women take antibiotics, Fem-Dophilus doubles the drugs' effectiveness by recolonizing the vagina with healthy flora.

QUOTE(konphusion26 @ Mar 9 2008, 01:47 PM) *
Heck I know we're not really supposed to douche, but i figure what do i have to lose? The BV already came back lol cant make it much worse.

Actually, you can make it worse. Douching can push the BV germs into the upper genital tract and cause PID.
neverending
QUOTE(arj75 @ Mar 9 2008, 12:04 PM) *
Thanks for sharing the info about the TTO Maggie MRSA is a big epidemic in the county in which I live. I actually did a research paper on it awhile back...and well, yep..MRSA and VRE? are being found in vaginal cultures. Really really sad...two deaths this year from MRSA in two young women (in their 20's) who were otherwise healthy..one woman was pregnant.

I haven't tried tea-tree oil yet, but I think I might. I did like the boric.


MRSA is really getting bad everywhere. I think a little boy in New York died of MRSA. How do you know if your a carrier? Is there a test or something? If your hospitalized do they run tests for it? Sorry so many questions but this disease, if it is a disease, is getting really bad.

LADIES; EVERYTHING IS STILL GREAT ON THIS END AND YES, THE NUVARING IS A GREAT FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL. I LOVE IT! MY BREAST HAVE EVEN PERKED BACK UP AND THEY ARE NOT SORE THE WAY THEY WERE WHEN I FIRST STARTED.
jewelscando
QUOTE(lori @ Mar 10 2008, 02:00 AM) *
I can't explain it any clearer than I have, Jewels.

But here's an excerpt from Prevention Magazine that I hope helps you:

Top Medical Breakthroughs of 2007

Breakthrough that speeds treatment of vaginal infections

Probiotics--friendly bacteria that thrive in the body--are known to prevent or even cure yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis. Now there's an OTC supplement containing the two Lactobacillus strains documented to promote vaginal health. The probiotic pill Fem-Dophilus has erased up to 90% of vaginal bacterial infections and significantly reduced yeast growth in trials by coating the lining of vaginal tissues and producing acids that keep pathogens from gaining a foothold. When women take antibiotics, Fem-Dophilus doubles the drugs' effectiveness by recolonizing the vagina with healthy flora.
Actually, you can make it worse. Douching can push the BV germs into the upper genital tract and cause PID.


Hmmmm... well... either way, it's a miracle!! I'm so happy for you Lori!! And I value your thoughts and opinions.

For those of you who think the discussions between Lori and I are "Juvenile", well, you just don't know Lori and I!! We go back and forth all the time. I value what Lori has to say, because she has spent probably more hours then all of us combined in researching this ridiculous problem that we all have.. So, do not get offended. Lori truly is here to help, and any advice you can get from her, take it. She knows her "Shit!" Just check out her blog!! Anyone who spends that amount of time, compiling all that information, is truly someone who cares. biggrin.gif

As for me... I'm still going strong... I was with my boyfriend, all weekend, and everything was perfect. I will use the TTO tomorrow night, just half a capsule, because I'm chicken shit that it will come back!!

One day, I hope to be as confident as Lori, and hopefully I won't have to keep using it. I am considering getting the Fem though Lori. I really like what you've had to say about it!
stressed43
hi sprinkles thanks for the welcome. I totally agree with you. We all have different bodies and they react to medicine/washes/supplements differently.

So I went out today and bought the Fem-D from whole foods with my boyfriend. I took one pill (it was really gross tasting) and I swear no more than 5o minutes later I was anxious so I did a "smell test" and it smelled like nothing. My bf thought it was a miracle because before I took the pill it had smelled like the same ole ICKY gross smell (which we almost had gotten used to BLEH!) Anyways whatever Fem-D does it does it fast. I'm guessing if it does not work for some of you guys after a week or two you may want to not waste money and look into other options. I checked down there a couple of minutes ago and it didn't smell like nothing but if BV was 100% odor I would say its a good 14%. So I am going to a pill a day for a month and hopefully it will go away. Maybe not forever, but at least I won't have to run to my gyno every time I have a relapse and be treated like a total sluts..AS IF ITS MY FAULT I smell! Anyways wish me luck ladies! And I hope all of you guys are doing well smile.gif
CarrieBradshaw
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 9 2008, 11:38 AM) *
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Thanks for telling me how you feel, Jewels. I'm not saying anyone needs to take Fem-doph. But you obviously didn't understand HOW it works, so I've explained it as clearly as I could. I hope it makes sense to you.
Well, most of everything I understand. But what I STILL DON'T understand, is you've restored the good bacteria. I understand that. SO.... HOW DID YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP IT RESTORED??? My fear is, if I restore the good bacteria, how do I keep it good??? Does that make sense??


This is just a total shot in the dark, but I'm pretty sure all of our Vs really really WANT to be in balance. I honestly think the first time we get BV it's caused by one thing and it's just really really hard to get back to that natural balance once you get it one time (aren't they always saying, once you get it once, you're more likely to get it again?). So anyways, it's my hope (I've had success with FemD, too) that FemD pushes our Vs to get back to that original natural balance. Once we're finally there with the help of the good ole' FemD, we don't have to take it again.... at least that's what I dream about at night. laugh.gif Anyways, I really like FemD so far. I prolly woulda tried TTO, but I just hate sticking crap up there. smile.gif

On another note, I did get some TTO for a fungal infection on my skin, and DAYUM! It ate it right up! I mean fast!!! I tried everything over the counter AND Rxs for my skin problem. TTO was the ONLY thing that worked....now I'm using it for everything on my skin. LOL. My boyfriend had a small cut on his hand the other day and I forced him to put some TTO on it and it really helped it. SO yeah, I love TTO too smile.gif Just not for my Va JJ.

On another note, ya know I think about BV so much, so I just come up with random reasons as to why people keep getting BV. When I was in my teens and on my period, my monthly flow would gush out like there was no tomorrow. I never thought anything of it until I'm in my mid-20s and pretty sexually active. Because now, I notice it really doesn't gush out (my period). It kind of just sits there and I ended up wiping a bunch of it when I'm using the bathroom (sorry for the graphics). But, I'm wondering, after 10 years of tampon use and several years of sexual activity, are my muscles not as strong? Is my Va J J not pushing things out as well (e.g. period, secretions, etc. etc.). So, if that's the case, is it harder for it to self-cleanse? meaning, harder for it to get the bad bacteria out? Maybe I always had the bad bacteria around, but my Va JJ was so strong and young in my teens and early 20s that it just pushed it out really quickly? Now, maybe it doesn't get cleansed as fast, and so the bacteria gets a chance to hang around longer and really get settled ???? smile.gif laugh.gif I could be totally off and probably am....but that was just a random thought I had the other day.

I'm off to do some kegels... smile.gif
fustrated
Lori -- I have started a course of flagyl and fem-d. I started both on Saturday. My question to you is when you did your course of Flagyl and fem-d, when did you start seeing results and when you know that your body felt "normal". I did a coure of Clandesse (sp?) last Tuesday and started Flagy and fem-d on Saturday. On Sunday (yesterday) I felt really good. I knew I still had BV but not bad at all. But today (Monday) the symtoms are worse. Did you have symptoms while you took your flagyl and fem-d and if so, when did you start noticing a difference. Did you still have signs of BV when you got done with the course of flagyl? I hope my question makes sense. Again I know our bodies are different. I have researched this myself, not to your extent, but the clincial tests show that healthy bacteria starts growing in 7days, however if I am taking an antibodic, is that killing the fem-d I am taking and stopping any good bacteria that grows? I guess I am confused on that part. Are they saying to take the fem-d to get my body use to the probodtic or is it actually helping during my course of flagyl? Thank you for doing all your research. I was taking Femonal, and thought I was seeing results, but the BV came back. I found this site by accident and the flagyl and fem-d made sense to me. I don't know if will work for me, but it is worth trying. The blogs I have read on this site state that the fem-d did not work for them, but they never really said if they took the fem-d with the Flagyl. I am hoping that following the study will work for me. Okay, sorry to keep writing. Thanks again for your research.
jewelscando
QUOTE(CarrieBradshaw @ Mar 10 2008, 05:10 PM) *
This is just a total shot in the dark, but I'm pretty sure all of our Vs really really WANT to be in balance. I honestly think the first time we get BV it's caused by one thing and it's just really really hard to get back to that natural balance once you get it one time (aren't they always saying, once you get it once, you're more likely to get it again?). So anyways, it's my hope (I've had success with FemD, too) that FemD pushes our Vs to get back to that original natural balance. Once we're finally there with the help of the good ole' FemD, we don't have to take it again.... at least that's what I dream about at night. laugh.gif Anyways, I really like FemD so far. I prolly woulda tried TTO, but I just hate sticking crap up there. smile.gif

On another note, I did get some TTO for a fungal infection on my skin, and DAYUM! It ate it right up! I mean fast!!! I tried everything over the counter AND Rxs for my skin problem. TTO was the ONLY thing that worked....now I'm using it for everything on my skin. LOL. My boyfriend had a small cut on his hand the other day and I forced him to put some TTO on it and it really helped it. SO yeah, I love TTO too smile.gif Just not for my Va JJ.

On another note, ya know I think about BV so much, so I just come up with random reasons as to why people keep getting BV. When I was in my teens and on my period, my monthly flow would gush out like there was no tomorrow. I never thought anything of it until I'm in my mid-20s and pretty sexually active. Because now, I notice it really doesn't gush out (my period). It kind of just sits there and I ended up wiping a bunch of it when I'm using the bathroom (sorry for the graphics). But, I'm wondering, after 10 years of tampon use and several years of sexual activity, are my muscles not as strong? Is my Va J J not pushing things out as well (e.g. period, secretions, etc. etc.). So, if that's the case, is it harder for it to self-cleanse? meaning, harder for it to get the bad bacteria out? Maybe I always had the bad bacteria around, but my Va JJ was so strong and young in my teens and early 20s that it just pushed it out really quickly? Now, maybe it doesn't get cleansed as fast, and so the bacteria gets a chance to hang around longer and really get settled ???? smile.gif laugh.gif I could be totally off and probably am....but that was just a random thought I had the other day.

I'm off to do some kegels... smile.gif


Well, the flow of your period is really based upon your Uterus contracting to get it out. That's atleast what my doctor told me before I had my hysterectomy. I was having LITERALLY 20 day periods, and he explained to me that because my Uterus was so swollen, from endometriosis, that It was taking 20 days for my uterus to "Squeeze" it all out. (Hense, cramps during periods) So, as far as it being your muscles... I don't believe it has anything to do with your "Muscles". And most importantly, I don't have periods. I haven't had periods now for around 7yrs.... and I've had BV going on 6yrs now.
CarrieBradshaw
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 10 2008, 01:52 PM) *
Well, the flow of your period is really based upon your Uterus contracting to get it out. That's atleast what my doctor told me before I had my hysterectomy. I was having LITERALLY 20 day periods, and he explained to me that because my Uterus was so swollen, from endometriosis, that It was taking 20 days for my uterus to "Squeeze" it all out. (Hense, cramps during periods) So, as far as it being your muscles... I don't believe it has anything to do with your "Muscles". And most importantly, I don't have periods. I haven't had periods now for around 7yrs.... and I've had BV going on 6yrs now.



yah that's what I figured. i didn't really mean it was having trouble getting periods out, just getting everything out in general. maybe my uterus isn't pushing hard enough then. lol. i dunno, just another random thought of mine about BV. have a great day everyone. smile.gif
paige
Hi everyone i have been taking fem-d two weeks now no smell no bv . Iam very happy tongue.gif
fustrated
QUOTE(paige @ Mar 10 2008, 03:37 PM) *
Hi everyone i have been taking fem-d two weeks now no smell no bv . Iam very happy tongue.gif




That is re-assuring Paige. My question to you is when you started taking fem-d, did you have bv symptoms?
swtgrl
Grief ladies, this thing is awful! this is the first time i've had it and i couldn't imagine having it again and again like I've read! i hope it gets better for all of you.

i just have a question or two...my doctor doesn't tell me anything and i am in the process of finding a new one!

I am taking Clindesse and am on the pill my last active pill was saturday so I started my period and my last dosage of clindesse was also on sunday evening. Will it still work? It seems like it has.

And when is it ok to have sex again? I don't want to give it to my boyfriend, if that's possible, or get it again!
paige
QUOTE(fustrated @ Mar 10 2008, 08:04 PM) *
That is re-assuring Paige. My question to you is when you started taking fem-d, did you have bv symptoms?

yes i did
fustrated
QUOTE(paige @ Mar 10 2008, 06:38 PM) *
yes i did



were they bad and did you do the course of flagyl and fem-d or just the fem-d. just curious, don't mean to be nosy
JoanClayton
I have been taking the Fem D for almost 2 weeks (2 pills a day) and it is NOT WORKING FOR ME...It made it WORSE....I had the oral flagyl and I can't find it now.

I just think that its making it leave the body thats why its getting worse.

I was taking Vitamin C, Folic, and B Complex prior to this and it wasn't as bad...But the vitamins made me really nauseous...I don't know if you have to drink a lot lot lot of water when taking vitamins.

I HATE THIS.
britt8705
Hi Ladies,

I hope relief is on it's way FAST! I havent been on here like I should...mostly due to depresion :'( but anyways. Wat is the new remedies? Im so feed up im willing to try Boric Acid just a few months ago I swear to myself I would neva put that up there. How well does the Boric Acid work and where can I get the Boric Acid in capsules?
kristen
its been a while since i have posted anything, but i have been keeping up with every one elses posts. i stop by here every day to see whats new. any way, i want to try the fem d but cannot find it. at least not anywhere near by. i was wondering about enzara. i dont know anything about it and i dont even like the name. i just want to know has anyone tried it and how is it supossed to work. i remember some one asked about it a while back but i dont remember an answer. everything is the same with me the smell usually doesn't get to bad but i just can't get rid of the discharge. everywhere i read it talks about a watery discharge, mine isn't watery its white and i guess kinda slimy, people have been using the word snot. something like that maybe, just smooth slimy and white and, but enough on that. alot of new people posting this last week or so. lets you see just how many poeple have this crap and can't get rid of it. its been like 8 or 9 monthes since i have been to the doc i think i'm going to give that another go but i have moved and need to find one. plus i cant take flagyl cuz it makes me vomit for hours untill i pass out on the bathroom floor so i just figure whats the point.
kristen
i went back and looked at all the enzara posts seems most everyone who tried it felt it was a scam. fine with me because i didn't really want to try it becasue the name sounds gross to me... i know how funny that might sound. but i am still curious how is it supossed to work and what is it. i am so tired of avoiding sex it has put so much stress on my boyfriend and i this past year, and i'm so tired of endless late nights researching the internet. will this ever end. i want to get the fem d just need to find it.
kristen
i went back and looked at all the enzara posts seems most everyone who tried it felt it was a scam. fine with me because i didn't really want to try it becasue the name sounds gross to me... i know how funny that might sound. but i am still curious how is it supossed to work and what is it. i am so tired of avoiding sex it has put so much stress on my boyfriend and i this past year, and i'm so tired of endless late nights researching the internet. will this ever end. i want to get the fem d just need to find it.
arj75
QUOTE(neverending @ Mar 9 2008, 10:08 PM) *
MRSA is really getting bad everywhere. I think a little boy in New York died of MRSA. How do you know if your a carrier? Is there a test or something? If your hospitalized do they run tests for it? Sorry so many questions but this disease, if it is a disease, is getting really bad.

LADIES; EVERYTHING IS STILL GREAT ON THIS END AND YES, THE NUVARING IS A GREAT FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL. I LOVE IT! MY BREAST HAVE EVEN PERKED BACK UP AND THEY ARE NOT SORE THE WAY THEY WERE WHEN I FIRST STARTED.



Neverending...I really don't know what doctors are doing as far as testing for it. I don't think they are worried about it unless you get crazy boil type blisters and then well, get your ass to the hospital. I'll have get that paper off my old computer..as far as how many people as actual carriers of MRSA. We all have staff naturally on our skin. (I know you already know that) But what's causing the panic is MRSA is difficult to get rid of and used to basically just be found in nursing homes or people who had been hospitalized for whatever reason and picked it up there. The information I found was that 45/55% of people were now carrriers of MRSA - the fear?- is that those people hadn't been to a doctor, hospital or nursing home or anywhere that they could write off the reason of where they could have picked it up at. When I get time..I post all the links and statistics of everything that I found.


Quiet Madness..I tried to find that 20/20 show myself online and didnt have much luck..but I spent maybe a whole five minutes looking and said F**k it..I'll just wait til I get it from my sis. I just found it interesting. That disorder is VERY rare, those poor people who suffer from that have the smell coming out of their sweat glands, urine, mouth, and mucous membranes. They can't metabolism certain foods correctly..which leaves them with the funky fishy body odor. But..now researchers are starting to test women with chronic BV.. and some cases finding very high amounts of that same chemical in women's urine with bv. Certain foods ( I'm still looking for list..but some I know are fish, lentils, and B vitamins sad.gif. I'll get back with you. There is no cure for those poor people ( its mostly women who have the syndrome) they completly lack the enzymes to break everything down, but, they basically stay on low doses of Flagyl to keep the bacteria from building up in their gut.. and some of the more fortunate have been able to improve the odor by excluding certain foods from the diet.....

Lori I remember reading somewhere maybe the V-book? That if you feel you must douche..that there are more safer times during a womans cycle in which to do that..in order to keep from pushing any bacteria up further..but I don't remember what the hell it said. Does anyone know that?...I'm not above it either. lol Also..Lori, how long did you use condoms until you decided to make the leap of faith, or did you say you still have your mate use them?

Until I get some tea tree oil to try, I will use the boric while I'm on my period, and in the middle of my cycle. I'm not getting any action in the bedroom..or I would use it after that too. lol
paige
QUOTE(fustrated @ Mar 10 2008, 10:25 PM) *
were they bad and did you do the course of flagyl and fem-d or just the fem-d. just curious, don't mean to be nosy

The first two weeks no. I just started flagyl this week. I was good without the flagyl so I do not take it everyday. I have used just about everything the ladies here said worked for them. I found one the works for me and the fem-d I do need because I eat all the bad foods.
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