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swtgrl
GOOD Grief ladies, this thing is awful! this is the first time i've had it and i couldn't imagine having it again and again like I've read! i hope it gets better for all of you.

i just have a question or two...my doctor doesn't tell me anything and i am in the process of finding a new one! dry.gif

I am taking Clindesse and am on the pill. My last active pill was saturday so I started my period and my last dosage of clindesse was also on sunday evening. Will it still work? It seems like it has.

And when is it ok to have sex again? I don't want to give it to my boyfriend, if that's possible, or get it again! ohmy.gif

JR
lori
QUOTE(arj75 @ Mar 11 2008, 03:22 AM) *
Quiet Madness..I tried to find that 20/20 show myself online and didnt have much luck..but I spent maybe a whole five minutes looking and said F**k it..I'll just wait til I get it from my sis. I just found it interesting.

It is interesting. I think I found it:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2287206&page=1

It's not really about BV, but still interesting.

QUOTE
Lori I remember reading somewhere maybe the V-book? That if you feel you must douche..that there are more safer times during a womans cycle in which to do that..in order to keep from pushing any bacteria up further..but I don't remember what the hell it said. Does anyone know that?...I'm not above it either. lol Also..Lori, how long did you use condoms until you decided to make the leap of faith, or did you say you still have your mate use them?

No condoms.

I don't remember if the V book said douching is safer at a certain time of the month. I'll look it up later.
fustrated
Lori -- I have started a course of flagyl and fem-d. I started both on Saturday. My question to you is when you did your course of Flagyl and fem-d, when did you start seeing results and when you know that your body felt "normal". I did a coure of Clandesse (sp?) last Tuesday and started Flagy and fem-d on Saturday. On Sunday (yesterday) I felt really good. I knew I still had BV but not bad at all. But today (Monday) the symtoms are worse. Did you have symptoms while you took your flagyl and fem-d and if so, when did you start noticing a difference. Did you still have signs of BV when you got done with the course of flagyl? I hope my question makes sense. Again I know our bodies are different. I have researched this myself, not to your extent, but the clincial tests show that healthy bacteria starts growing in 7days, however if I am taking an antibodic, is that killing the fem-d I am taking and stopping any good bacteria that grows? I guess I am confused on that part. Are they saying to take the fem-d to get my body use to the probodtic or is it actually helping during my course of flagyl? Thank you for doing all your research. I was taking Femonal, and thought I was seeing results, but the BV came back. I found this site by accident and the flagyl and fem-d made sense to me. I don't know if will work for me, but it is worth trying. The blogs I have read on this site state that the fem-d did not work for them, but they never really said if they took the fem-d with the Flagyl. I am hoping that following the study will work for me. Okay, sorry to keep writing. Thanks again for your research.
JJ27
Thank you for the link! I will check it out. Everybody bodies are different and I feel you just have to try everything and see what works best for you. My BV doesn't have an odor just a discharge, burning feeling, sex sometimes hurts, and I'm really sore the next day. I just started the Fem D and will call the Dr. for Clindesse and wait a month if I still have it then I will try the TTO. But I will read the the website first to see how I will proceed.

I quit smoking one year ago tongue.gif and developed BV afterwards. I am in menopause for five yrs now and like I had said awhile back it totally throws off your flora. First I was getting yeast infections and now BV. My question is how can you apply a TTO suppository without it touching your vaginal lining?

QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 8 2008, 12:52 PM) *
Well, just like anything, what works for you, is what you need to continue to do.

I found another website that might be helpfull to some of you newbies.

Here's a clip from it:

Tea tree oil suppositories or douches. With this Bacterial Vaginosis remedy, you insert diluted Tea tree oil or tea tree oil suppositories directly into your vagina for up to 6 weeks. Apparently tea tree oil is thought to have antifungal properties that attack the “bad” bacteria that cause Bacterial Vaginosis. Please note that you should never apply tea tree oil directly to the sensitive vaginal lining as it can cause an allergic reaction.

http://www.bacterialvaginosisrecurrent.com..._that_work.html

Again, I really believe in what Lori says. I think BV must be treated from the inside out. What she's using, has killed her BV, however, I personally feel she's been very lucky that it has not returned, and does not have to continue with the pills.

I know with myself, there's lifestyle things that cause mine, IE smoking. And once I give that up, I might not have to continue with the preventative. I also had a hysterectomy, so I do not have periods like most of you. I am I'm sure getting close to starting menopause, which I'm sure your V Book states that this can trigger the imbalance in the vagina which might cause BV.

So, for now, I will continue with the Tea Tree Oil, because it's working. If it stops working, then I will spend the money on the other stuff Lori suggests!!

Thanks for all your input!! Especially yours Lori!! I love hearing what you have to say!

jewelscando
QUOTE(JJ27 @ Mar 12 2008, 03:37 PM) *
Thank you for the link! I will check it out. Everybody bodies are different and I feel you just have to try everything and see what works best for you. My BV doesn't have an odor just a discharge, burning feeling, sex sometimes hurts, and I'm really sore the next day. I just started the Fem D and will call the Dr. for Clindesse and wait a month if I still have it then I will try the TTO. But I will read the the website first to see how I will proceed.

I quit smoking one year ago tongue.gif and developed BV afterwards. I am in menopause for five yrs now and like I had said awhile back it totally throws off your flora. First I was getting yeast infections and now BV. My question is how can you apply a TTO suppository without it touching your vaginal lining?


I use 00 Gel Caps, and use a baby medicine dropper to fill the gel cap. You can also buy the TTO suppositories already filled, from what I've heard on this board. I just used one two nights ago, because I had sex this past weekend, and this time, I put a couple of drops of water in it, because of what people have said on this board as far as diluting it, and only used half of TTO. But, I usually do not dilute it. And when it's placed in the gel cap, it takes time to desolve. The tto does not burn or irratate me, as long as I wait a day after sex. But, it restores the Flora for me. I have no BV symptoms at all. And I ONLY use this after sex. I don't use it any other time, because I don't need to.
stressed43
hey girls

I have been takin FemD for just a couple days and the smell is completely gone. But you know how if you have BV the inside of your vagina is like really wet or has that thin white/grey disharge that comes out? I still have that, but now it doesn't smell gross. Do you think that goes away in time too? or that it will stay? And what is that all about anyway?
kristen
i just got back from the doctor and i have strep throat. he gave me penicillin, i'm just wondering if any of ya'll have gotten yeast infections from penicillin and will it kill any of those stinky bastards in my vag. what should be my plan of action while taking the penicillin.
fustrated
QUOTE(paige @ Mar 11 2008, 06:23 AM) *
The first two weeks no. I just started flagyl this week. I was good without the flagyl so I do not take it everyday. I have used just about everything the ladies here said worked for them. I found one the works for me and the fem-d I do need because I eat all the bad foods.



So why did you start the flagyl this week...as a preventive?
paige
QUOTE(fustrated @ Mar 12 2008, 04:10 PM) *
So why did you start the flagyl this week...as a preventive?

Becaues some of the ladies said thats what they did. I think my last day on the flagyl was monday night. But I was fine before the flagy when I was just taking fem-d. I have used just about everthing the ladies say they did I just happen to find one that work's for me.
chantelhugo
I am still not having success with anything other than the boric acid in which I have to continually use. I have also been on Yasmin for a month and half and I think it's just making things worse. The tea tree oil does not work for me unfortunately, but thats great that others have had success with it. Has anyone tried Pau D'arco tea? It's been known to fight off yeast and cases of BV, as it's a natural antibiotic. Before I buy it, anyone here have any luck with it? The Fem-D actually makes it worse for me! Grrr! I also tried the SYLK lubricant with no success. Does anyone think this could be a case of Candida Overgrowth? Has anyone tried a Candida cleanse? I also have a belly button odor, anyone have this too? Disgusting, I know....
kristen
somebody... anybody... the penicillin?
lori
QUOTE(kristen @ Mar 13 2008, 04:44 PM) *
somebody... anybody... the penicillin?

Hey Kristen.

I think penicillin can cause yeast infections.

I'm pretty sure penicillin does nothing for your BV.

Hope that helps. My suggestion is to take Fem-D along with the penicillin - it's supposed to help prevent yeast infections, UTI, as well as BV.

I have more detailed info. in my blog, but you can find Fem-D at Whole Foods, and also iherb.com. You can find it sold at many other places online, but those are the 2 places I know of that sells it refrigerated.

Good luck. Hope your throat feels better.
lucecita
Whoa, I have bellybutton smell too. Is it related?! I HATE it. So gross.
yme30
Hi all got a question or two. When I go to iherb.com to look for the Fem-D what exactly am I looking for its like a jungle out there I need to know the exact brand so please help me someone.

Also I still have a two week supply of the oral metro from maybe two months ago, can I still use it, I think I will have much better success using it in combo with the Fem-D but is it still potent since its been so long just sitting in my cabinet? Thanks all!!!
JJ27
Yes, I noticed that too and it's like sticky right? It should go away. It's pretty funny...well not really...that I've had this so long I forgot what a normal discharge looks like!!!! ohmy.gif

QUOTE(stressed43 @ Mar 12 2008, 01:02 PM) *
hey girls

I have been takin FemD for just a couple days and the smell is completely gone. But you know how if you have BV the inside of your vagina is like really wet or has that thin white/grey disharge that comes out? I still have that, but now it doesn't smell gross. Do you think that goes away in time too? or that it will stay? And what is that all about anyway?

JJ27
I always get a yeast from antibiotics. So if you are the same on day three take diflucan or monostat.



QUOTE(kristen @ Mar 12 2008, 01:44 PM) *
i just got back from the doctor and i have strep throat. he gave me penicillin, i'm just wondering if any of ya'll have gotten yeast infections from penicillin and will it kill any of those stinky bastards in my vag. what should be my plan of action while taking the penicillin.

JJ27
Just type Fem Dophilus (it's by Jarrow) in the search bar of Iherb and it will come up.

QUOTE(yme30 @ Mar 14 2008, 10:15 AM) *
Hi all got a question or two. When I go to iherb.com to look for the Fem-D what exactly am I looking for its like a jungle out there I need to know the exact brand so please help me someone.

Also I still have a two week supply of the oral metro from maybe two months ago, can I still use it, I think I will have much better success using it in combo with the Fem-D but is it still potent since its been so long just sitting in my cabinet? Thanks all!!!

JJ27
I would like to thank everybody for their input, advice, experiences, etc. You have all bee soooooooooooooo helpful and I'm so happy I found this forum. I will keep you apprise of my situation. I feel with Fem D in my system now for one week I will start the Clindesse on Monday, refrain from sex for two weeks ,and continue the Fem D. Hopefully when all is under control I will take the TTO the day after sex. My poor boyfriend!!!! He will just have to take it or leave it!! ohmy.gif I can't wait to feel normal down there again. You all have been GREAT! Thanks a million!!! tongue.gif Anyone from NY?
lucecita
Is Fem Dophilus by itself pointless? Should it always be paired with Flagyl or similar?
stressed43
QUOTE(lucecita @ Mar 15 2008, 04:14 PM) *
Is Fem Dophilus by itself pointless? Should it always be paired with Flagyl or similar?


Fem D works for me without Flagyl. The thing about Flagyl ...is that it works, but if you have to take something later...it totally negates the fact u ever took it...(meaning waste of money and time) For example...I took Flagyl for a week or two and symptoms were completely gone. MONTHs later I started YASMIN and Bv symptoms instantly came back THAT DAY! SO what I like about FEM D (even tho im very new to it myself (about one week) is that I can take birth control or whatever else I need to take and I still smell normal. ANNND flagyl you need a prescription and I HATE going to my gyno and retelling her the same story and her tellin me the sAME thing..."i'll prescribe you flagyl again". At least with Fem D I can pop into WholeFoods and just grab it and go home. No appointments. No prescription. No hassles biggrin.gif

But unfortunately as aforementioned, Fem D doesn't work for everyone =( I hope hope hope it will keep working for me though!! And I really appreciate that we can all talk and help eachother out on here. Anyone else would just judge or joke about it.
lori
QUOTE(lucecita @ Mar 15 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Is Fem Dophilus by itself pointless? Should it always be paired with Flagyl or similar?

I wouldn't say it's pointless. It's supposed to replenish the good bacteria, so I think that alone can help some women.

However, Dr. Reid specified in his lecture that Fem-Dophilus is not supposed to be considered a cure. So I think that you need a prescription cure to kill off the bad bacteria first.

I've always been hesitant to tell anyone in this thread - you have to do this, and then this, etc. My goal has always been to just share what I know and let people make their own decisions; and also to clear up whatever misinformation I see.

So in that vein ... understand how Fem-D works and then make your own decision about whether you need flagyl or not.

QUOTE(stressed43 @ Mar 15 2008, 09:32 PM) *
... The thing about Flagyl ...is that it works, but if you have to take something later...it totally negates the fact u ever took it...(meaning waste of money and time)

Thank you for finally getting what I've been saying this thread many times. Flagyl WORKS. It just doesn't prevent a recurrence. Because so many people experience BV again after Flagyl (including me), people have wrongly written it off as - Flagyl doesn't work.

Flagyl works. Just doesn't prevent recurrence. Thank you!!!

(Sorry to sound testy, but hey, it's been frustrating. So many people in here repeating the mantra, "Flagyl doesn't work" over and over. Gah.)

I'm not saying anyone has to take Flagyl. Just make an informed choice.

Anyway, I know that going to the doctor is annoying and expensive, but I do think it's important that a doctor is involved somewhere in your treatment, and that you're not 100% self-treating. BV has a nasty smell, yes, but it's not just about the smell! Untreated BV can have health consequences, so it's about health. And if you restore the health, the smell will go away too.
stressed43
QUOTE(lori @ Mar 16 2008, 06:36 AM) *
Flagyl works. Just doesn't prevent recurrence. Thank you!!!

(Sorry to sound testy, but hey, it's been frustrating. So many people in here repeating the mantra, "Flagyl doesn't work" over and over. Gah.)


Anyway, I know that going to the doctor is annoying and expensive, but I do think it's important that a doctor is involved somewhere in your treatment, and that you're not 100% self-treating. BV has a nasty smell, yes, but it's not just about the smell! Untreated BV can have health consequences, so it's about health. And if you restore the health, the smell will go away too.


Nono! Thank you~ I didn't even KNOW about FemD until I stumbled upon this site! I also think I can use it once a week and it will still be effective (unlike certain drugs where if you don't take it for 2 weeks straight your body will learn to fight it off) because since the first day I have been symptom free and I've only taken maybe a total of 4. However, I totally agree with you about seeing my doctor, but now I can go for the regular Papsmear checkup instead of going EVERY 3 months and complaining about smell =)
lucecita
Hey random question, does anyone's symptoms improve during and after a night of drinking?

I feel like mine do, but maybe I'm crazy. Just killing time until my Fem D arrives (I'll be taking it with Flagyl, thanks Lori)
CanCan
QUOTE(lucecita @ Mar 15 2008, 03:14 PM) *
Is Fem Dophilus by itself pointless? Should it always be paired with Flagyl or similar?

I take one FemDophilus everyday, and it worked for me. I don't have smell or discharge anymore. And I've never taken Flagyl. Ever.
sciongal
QUOTE(lucecita @ Mar 17 2008, 10:39 PM) *
Hey random question, does anyone's symptoms improve during and after a night of drinking?

I feel like mine do, but maybe I'm crazy. Just killing time until my Fem D arrives (I'll be taking it with Flagyl, thanks Lori)

no, for me the symptoms get noticably worse after drinking...I have pretty much quit for that reason,
CanCan
QUOTE(mfc10 @ Mar 8 2008, 08:24 PM) *
Hi, Jewels...After using boric acid for a couple of weeks, back when I was having recurring bouts of BV & yeast infections, I then used tea tree oil suppositories that I bought at my local healthfood store (also available online) for maintenance purposes. I did this for about 2 months, using a piece of a suppository every other day.

The TTO was wonderful. I found a link via Google Scholar (I no longer have quick access to it) that tested TTO in vitro on strains of the good vaginal lactobacili. It showed that it did not kill off the good bacteria, unlike boric acid & most prescription meds. It does have effective antiviral, antifungal & antibacterial properties. (I read that it even will kill the MRSA antibiotic-resistant staph bacteria that has been much in the news in the recent past.)

Cheers!
Maggie

Apparently Tea Tree Oil has antiviral, antifungal and antibacterial properties. The bacteria associated with BV are more susceptible to TTO than our beneficial bacteria. So I guess this is why some women have controlled their BV using it.

[ These MIC data are similar to those obtained in previous studies which indicated that a variety of anaerobic and aerobic bacteria were susceptible to tea tree oil (2–4). The data also show that all lactobacilli tested were appreciably more resistant to tea tree oil than organisms known to be associated with BV, with at least a twofold difference in MIC90 results. Therefore, the clinical success reported by Blackwell (1) may be due, in part, to the susceptibility of BV-associated organisms to tea tree oil and the relative resistance of commensal lactobacilli.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...cgi?artid=89050 ]
jewelscando
QUOTE(CanCan @ Mar 18 2008, 04:55 PM) *
Apparently Tea Tree Oil has antiviral, antifungal and antibacterial properties. The bacteria associated with BV are more susceptible to TTO than our beneficial bacteria. So I guess this is why some women have controlled their BV using it.

[ These MIC data are similar to those obtained in previous studies which indicated that a variety of anaerobic and aerobic bacteria were susceptible to tea tree oil (2–4). The data also show that all lactobacilli tested were appreciably more resistant to tea tree oil than organisms known to be associated with BV, with at least a twofold difference in MIC90 results. Therefore, the clinical success reported by Blackwell (1) may be due, in part, to the susceptibility of BV-associated organisms to tea tree oil and the relative resistance of commensal lactobacilli.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...cgi?artid=89050 ]


Thanks Maggie for the information!! I'm still loving the TTO. It's worked wonders for me. No BV Symptoms what so ever.
CarrieBradshaw
Tea Tree Oil Can Lead to Antibiotic Resistance - UU Research
15th February 2007

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Repeated exposure to low doses of Tea Tree Oil – a common ingredient in many beauty products – can increase the chances of suffering from “superbug” infections, University of Ulster scientists have revealed.

They discovered that exposure to low doses of Tea Tree Oil make pathogens such as MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella more resistant to antibiotics, and capable of causing more serious infections.

Dr Ann McMahon and Professor David McDowell, members of the University’s Food Microbiology Research Group, said: “We have been growing pathogens such as MRSA, E-coli and Salmonella in low concentrations of tea tree oil. These concentrations are not sufficient to kill the bacteria, but can switch on their defense mechanisms. Unfortunately, these defence mechanisms have the added effect of making bacteria more resistant to antibiotics, and able to cause “harder to treat” infections.”

Tea Tree Oil is used commercially in many products including shampoos, body lotions and toiletries, but there is no legislation requiring manufacturers to state the concentration of tea tree oil in these products. This increases the risks that people will use low concentrations of tea tree oil, which fail to kill bacteria, but increase their resistance to antibiotics. So, if a person uses tea tree oil products on their skin repeatedly, any MRSA on their skin could develop increased resistance to the antibiotics which are used to control MRSA infections.

“The bottom line is that tea tree oil should not be used at low concentrations – less than 4% - to make sure that bacteria are killed, not just stressed. Otherwise we are just arming the bacteria against treatment by antibiotics.”

Publishing their findings in the Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy, the scientists said: “Although tea tree oil may be an effective antimicrobial agent when appropriately used at high (bactericidal) concentrations, its application at low (sub-lethal) concentrations may contribute to the development of antibiotic resistance in human pathogens”.

http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2007/3000.html

Basically, just a warning that TTO can cause resistant bacteria if you use really lose doses.

I know a lot of you will reply and say " that's only for E.Coli, Salmonella, and MRSA" but those were just examples. I use TTO for other things, too. Just an interesting article....
sciongal
what is a high concentration? How do we know how much to use?
QUOTE(CarrieBradshaw @ Mar 18 2008, 10:28 AM) *
Tea Tree Oil Can Lead to Antibiotic Resistance - UU Research
15th February 2007

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Repeated exposure to low doses of Tea Tree Oil – a common ingredient in many beauty products – can increase the chances of suffering from “superbug” infections, University of Ulster scientists have revealed.

They discovered that exposure to low doses of Tea Tree Oil make pathogens such as MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella more resistant to antibiotics, and capable of causing more serious infections.

Dr Ann McMahon and Professor David McDowell, members of the University’s Food Microbiology Research Group, said: “We have been growing pathogens such as MRSA, E-coli and Salmonella in low concentrations of tea tree oil. These concentrations are not sufficient to kill the bacteria, but can switch on their defense mechanisms. Unfortunately, these defence mechanisms have the added effect of making bacteria more resistant to antibiotics, and able to cause “harder to treat” infections.”

Tea Tree Oil is used commercially in many products including shampoos, body lotions and toiletries, but there is no legislation requiring manufacturers to state the concentration of tea tree oil in these products. This increases the risks that people will use low concentrations of tea tree oil, which fail to kill bacteria, but increase their resistance to antibiotics. So, if a person uses tea tree oil products on their skin repeatedly, any MRSA on their skin could develop increased resistance to the antibiotics which are used to control MRSA infections.

“The bottom line is that tea tree oil should not be used at low concentrations – less than 4% - to make sure that bacteria are killed, not just stressed. Otherwise we are just arming the bacteria against treatment by antibiotics.”

Publishing their findings in the Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy, the scientists said: “Although tea tree oil may be an effective antimicrobial agent when appropriately used at high (bactericidal) concentrations, its application at low (sub-lethal) concentrations may contribute to the development of antibiotic resistance in human pathogens”.

http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2007/3000.html

Basically, just a warning that TTO can cause resistant bacteria if you use really lose doses.

I know a lot of you will reply and say " that's only for E.Coli, Salmonella, and MRSA" but those were just examples. I use TTO for other things, too. Just an interesting article....

lucecita
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 18 2008, 02:26 PM) *
Thanks Maggie for the information!! I'm still loving the TTO. It's worked wonders for me. No BV Symptoms what so ever.



TTO did nothing for me. I'm gonna do Flagyl and FemD bc it makes perfect sense. Do you still take TTO regularly or is your BV gone completely?
mg86
QUOTE(CanCan @ Mar 18 2008, 11:39 AM) *
I take one FemDophilus everyday, and it worked for me. I don't have smell or discharge anymore. And I've never taken Flagyl. Ever.


my fem doph just arrived from iherb the other day...how long did you have to take it before you saw improvement?
mg86
Hi everyone

Hope you all are doing well...does anyone else feel like they take a rediculous amount of pills every day?? I have recently bought some vitamins so daily I take: one multivitamin, one acidophilus, one fem doph, one rx essentials vitamin (just started trying these), my birth control, and my effexor. feels like so many! Almost feel like I need to get a weekly pill case or something! smile.gif

Anyway..I haven't actually started taking the fem doph regularly yet. I have a 30 day supply and I am hoping by the time I finish it I will see improvement. Regarding the tree tea oil...I saw someone mention the suppositories, are these the ones from iherb.com? If so, are they sufficient in the dosage amount (regarding the recently posted article about low doses)

I am feeling pretty discouraged lately..seems my BV is getting a little worse than usual..although I did go out drinking on Friday..maybe that has something to do with it...
mfc10
QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 18 2008, 01:26 PM) *
Thanks Maggie for the information!! I'm still loving the TTO. It's worked wonders for me. No BV Symptoms what so ever.


Thanks for the thanks, but it was CanCan who actually found the link I was referring to. smile.gif
Hugs,
Maggie
neverending
OK ladies:

I want to start taking the diet pill ALLI. I take effexor and I was wondering if anyone here has taken ALLI with an anti-depressant because I have no clue what time I should take it. The alli packet says take all vitamins and stuff at night but I was wondering if the effexor would be effective(the next day) if i took it at night before bed?
sassy
Neverending: My husband is on Effexor and he takes his right before bed every night. I would probably ask your doctor about taking it with the diet pill, though, as I don't know how that would react with an anti-depressant?
jewelscando
QUOTE(lucecita @ Mar 18 2008, 07:23 PM) *
TTO did nothing for me. I'm gonna do Flagyl and FemD bc it makes perfect sense. Do you still take TTO regularly or is your BV gone completely?


I ONLY do TTO the day after sex. Never have I done it daily, however, several sights suggest you do it for a period of days, I'm not sure what the days are though.

Sorry it didn't work for you. I would try the Flagyl and FemD like you said. Once again, what works for me, might not work for you and vice versa, so you need to find what works for you.
neverending
QUOTE(sassy @ Mar 19 2008, 11:53 AM) *
Neverending: My husband is on Effexor and he takes his right before bed every night. I would probably ask your doctor about taking it with the diet pill, though, as I don't know how that would react with an anti-depressant?


THANKS SASSY!
wildflower
New here...was directed by someone else who thought this thread might be able to help me find natural remedies that actually work and can be used while breastfeeding. My BV has occurred (and typically occurs) as a result of treatment for a yeast infection. I've been prescribed Metronidazole, but don't want to take it while nursing. I started using tea tree oil soaked tampons 2 days ago, but symptoms seemed to have worsened. It was suggested that I douchre with hydrogen peroxide 50/50 solution. I was always told not to douche though and am concerned that it may actually push the infection into my uterus or fallopian tubes (based on something I had read online). I'm not sure where to go from here. I take probiotics on a daily basis...they had worked in preventing my recurrent yeast, bacterial and UTI's for over a year and I was ecstatic. Now they are back :-( Any help or direction from those of you who have had experience in getting rid of these nasty infections FOR GOOD would be greatly appreciated!!! My patience is waning as I've had issues with yeast and now this for over a month (this time around anyway...over 20 years though of experience with yeast, UTI's and bacterial infections).
jewelscando
QUOTE(wildflower @ Mar 19 2008, 09:59 PM) *
New here...was directed by someone else who thought this thread might be able to help me find natural remedies that actually work and can be used while breastfeeding. My BV has occurred (and typically occurs) as a result of treatment for a yeast infection. I've been prescribed Metronidazole, but don't want to take it while nursing. I started using tea tree oil soaked tampons 2 days ago, but symptoms seemed to have worsened. It was suggested that I douchre with hydrogen peroxide 50/50 solution. I was always told not to douche though and am concerned that it may actually push the infection into my uterus or fallopian tubes (based on something I had read online). I'm not sure where to go from here. I take probiotics on a daily basis...they had worked in preventing my recurrent yeast, bacterial and UTI's for over a year and I was ecstatic. Now they are back :-( Any help or direction from those of you who have had experience in getting rid of these nasty infections FOR GOOD would be greatly appreciated!!! My patience is waning as I've had issues with yeast and now this for over a month (this time around anyway...over 20 years though of experience with yeast, UTI's and bacterial infections).


WELCOME WILDFLOWER!!!!

I suggest you go through the board and read up on some different suggestions that the girls have come up with. It's worth the time to read, or go to BLOGS and check out Lori's Blog. She has hours and hours of information that she's done on what works, what doesn't, and so on.

Welcome to the board.. Hope you find help soon!!
wildflower
So I've read through what I could...difficult to devote a lot of time with a 6 month old in the house...and I have a couple questions I guess. It sounds like lori agrees that douching could actually make the condition worse by causing PID. In her blog she notes some suggestions in how to apply HP wihtout douching, but overall doesn't recommend using the treatment. If I only use this for a single 1 week treatment as suggested in the link/study on lori's blog, would it really be problematic? If this is the route that I would take, what is the best application if I choose not to douche?

I like the description of the tea tree oil - an Altoid for the vagina! LOL! That's so true! But after that initial tingle, the benefits seem to be gone...except that it might cover the odor if you have one (I luckily don't). I understand that you want to use this treatment for up to 6 weeks. If it's a treatment that will work for you,...when would you start to experience the benefits? As I posted before, it's only been 2 days and things seem to be worse. I hate to continue if it's a bust.

I'm still unsure which direction to pursue at this point. I don't want to continue with TTO if it's not effective. I'm concerned that allowing the infection to get worse without effective treatment could cause permanent damage.

Again, I don't want to take the Metronidazole because I am breastfeeding and it is a Class C drug. I don't want to expose my son to unnecessary antibiotics.

Last, (I think) Fem D is mentioned often. It appears to be an expensive version of lactobacillus acidolphilus. I currently take Udo's Choice Probiotics which includes LA along with other probiotics. Is FemD really super special or more beneficial for ridding BV?
SpRiNkLeS
HI Ladies. So notice how my “HI” is not attached with an exclamation point. I AM SO FRIGGIN NOT HAPPY. Lori was right, douching is bad. Very, very bad. I am now getting reverse effects from my Tea Tree Oil douches and honestly I can count the number of douches I have tediously performed and the magic number ladies…………FOUR. That’s it! Four friggin douches, nicely spaced within maybe a week and a half. Today my vagina gave me a lovely little surprise…a faint fart aroma. Yeah, I know! A FRIGGIN FART SMELL. I was like………OH MY GOSH. Are you friggin kidding me!!!!!!!!?

I thought smelling like shit was bad but seriously a fart whiff every now and again aint no walk in the park either. It is really hard to hold your head up high when this crap happens. I was doing so good too!! It’s those damn douches I tell ya!! They are EVIL.

EVIL, EVIL, EVIL!!!

Just as wildflower was saying, I too started noticing that just after my second douche I did not get the same effect as I did the first TTO douche. Every time is like that……not as tingly and fresh feeling as the one before it. Also the morning after you wake up from your douche is all great and crap but the next day is worse than if you didn’t douche at all. DAMNIT.

I will consider the suppositories but I am done with douching. Plus the shit stinks after a while, it stinks up the whole bathroom and I think it is wafting throughout the house because damn is it strong!!!! I don't think this is good for my kid to be POSSIBLY smelling (who knows) so for that alone I am done with the douche. I have to remind myself to keep faith that I WILL fight this crap…eventually find my cure or regulate my hormones soon, whatever comes first. Please ladies, keep posting success stories. I appreciate them so much. Those stories and my faith are what’s keeping me sane throughout this mess.
SpRiNkLeS
Hi Wildflower!! My former doctor (the asswipe who delivered my son) wrote me out my very first prescription for Metrogel while I was breastfeeding. Now this guy turned out to be a complete dumbshit so I’m not saying it is safe, of course I believed him so I thought it was safe at the time I was breastfeeding but who knows. Ok so I should stop typing, this isn’t really helping much. Anyway it is nice to see a new mommy on the board! I was so happy when I finished breastfeeding because that meant I could take any pill I wanted without worrying about it hurting my son, anyway I know how you feel about pill popping while breastfeeding. My baby is now a toddler……..but geez doesn’t it suck to have to deal with BV WHILE experiencing being a new mommy? Doesn’t matter if it’s your first time or not. Some days it totally took away the joy my child brought me. I hope to kill this crap before my son gets old enough for outbursts in public like, “Mommy, you stink!!!!” or “Mom you smell like POOP!” but then again you said you don’t really have the BV odors? I am quite jealous!

CanCan & CarrieBradshaw: Thanks for the posts about TTO! I hope this doesn’t mean my old fav Metrogel won’t be effective on me anymore. I am trying to wait a little longer before I use it again.

Mg86: Yes I agree, most days I feel like I take an abnormal amount of pills. I feel like a bratty kid most the time, I have inward fights with myself like….”NO! I don’t wanna take my pills!” while stomping as if in a tantrum………yes I know it is immature but I’m sick of taking health pills!
lori
QUOTE(wildflower @ Mar 19 2008, 06:43 PM) *
Last, (I think) Fem D is mentioned often. It appears to be an expensive version of lactobacillus acidolphilus. I currently take Udo's Choice Probiotics which includes LA along with other probiotics. Is FemD really super special or more beneficial for ridding BV?

Yes, it's specifically targeted for BV (also yeast and UTI). I know Fem-D is expensive (I really wish it was cheaper!), but you need to take the right drug for the right problem. A lot of probiotics (incl. acidophilus) are geared towards intestinal health or overall immunity. We've all taken tons of them, but they really haven't helped the BV.

Here's my blog's section on Fem-D:

QUOTE
Fem-Dophilus (Jarrow)
  • Cons: expensive
  • Conclusion: several members have reported good results; buy it refrigerated (iHerb.com looks like the best online source)


QUOTE(jewelscando @ Mar 19 2008, 04:21 PM) *
WELCOME WILDFLOWER!!!!

I suggest you go through the board and read up on some different suggestions that the girls have come up with. It's worth the time to read, or go to BLOGS and check out Lori's Blog. She has hours and hours of information that she's done on what works, what doesn't, and so on.

Welcome to the board.. Hope you find help soon!!

Thanks Jewels. My blog is a compendium of all the BV-related information I collected. I think it's useful as a reference, but I don't think it's necessary to read every word. My suggestions (based on my research) is fairly simple:

1. go get a GYN exam, if you haven't (make sure you don't have an STD, instead of, or with the BV)

2. ask for a Trich exam, especially if you get recurrences after unprotected sex (wet mounts and pap smears are only 60% effective at diagnosing Trich)

3. if you are diagnosed with BV, take oral Flagyl (I explain in my blog why I think oral Flagyl is the best choice)

4. begin taking Fem-dophilus along with the Flagyl (start with 2/day)

So that's my recommended plan of action in a nutshell. If you want to know the reasoning behind my suggestions, I provide them in the blog.
wildflower
QUOTE(lori @ Mar 20 2008, 05:32 AM) *
1. go get a GYN exam, if you haven't (make sure you don't have an STD, instead of, or with the BV)

2. ask for a Trich exam, especially if you get recurrences after unprotected sex (wet mounts and pap smears are only 60% effective at diagnosing Trich)

3. if you are diagnosed with BV, take oral Flagyl (I explain in my blog why I think oral Flagyl is the best choice)

4. begin taking Fem-dophilus along with the Flagyl (start with 2/day)

So that's my recommended plan of action in a nutshell. If you want to know the reasoning behind my suggestions, I provide them in the blog.

1. DONE. That's how I got diagnosed to begin with. I often have difficulty telling if it's yeast or BV so I now always go to the doc to get an official diagnosis!

2. Haven't done this. I can't remember the last time I had sex with DH and I know I got this infection from Diflucan that I took to treat a yeast infection.

3. They prescribed vaginal Metronidazole...I think the thought was that less would get into my blood stream that way, but it is a 5 day prescription, as compared to a single 2 gram dose that I have now been reading online is recommended if you have to take Flagyl while nursing. I would then have to pump and dump for 12-24 hours though. But I have a stash and would have no problems doing that for a day...couldn't for 5 days, although it wasn't suggested by the doc that I needed to do that.

4. Actually, now that I look at the price the FemD isn't any more expensive (although this depends on how many pills there are per bottle) than the Udo's Choice that I've been taking. I will place an order as I'm almost out of my probiotics anyway. We'll see if it makes a difference.

I found this website related to breastfeeding while on Metronidazole. http://www.druginformation.co.nz/pdfs/metronidazole_milk.pdf
I'm pretty sure that I subjected my child to this drug in the 1st or 2nd month of life already, but now I'm a bit wiser (and have a little more time to research rather than just trust my doctor). I just don't want to continue to subject him to drugs where the effects are unknown.
lori
QUOTE(wildflower @ Mar 20 2008, 07:06 AM) *
3. They prescribed vaginal Metronidazole...I think the thought was that less would get into my blood stream that way, but it is a 5 day prescription, as compared to a single 2 gram dose that I have now been reading online is recommended if you have to take Flagyl while nursing. I would then have to pump and dump for 12-24 hours though. But I have a stash and would have no problems doing that for a day...couldn't for 5 days, although it wasn't suggested by the doc that I needed to do that.

Sorry, wildflower. I didn't take into account that you are nursing.

Don't interpret this as medical advice, but since you're nursing, I agree that you should probably avoid flagyl or metrogel altogether.

So my suggestion is: take Fem-D (2/day) and hope for the best. There are some ladies in here who just took Fem-D (no prescription) and it solved their BV problem.
shashasha
Hi everyone,

I have had recurring BV for months now and I wanted to share what has worked best for me.

What I do when it flares up is I do a scorched-earth boric acid treatment that includes a douche (mixing the powder with water--i use a capsule's worth of powder with a couple ounces of water) and then ALSO applying some of the powder to my labia and under the hood, just to get everything. THEN I wait maybe half a day and rinse myself out really good (in the bathtub under the faucet) with water to remove all the boric acid. THEN i douche with a mixture of warm (not too warm--body temp) water mixed with the contents of two acidophilus capsules (you could also use live-culture yogurt). The reason for this is the "good" bacteria (found in the acidophilus) is what keeps your vaginal balance healthy enough to ward off the "bad" bacteria that causes BV. When you do a boric acid treatment you kill ALL the bacteria off, so there's nothing to keep the bad bacteria from growing back. Taking acidophilus orally helps but I don't think it is fast enough to repopulate you after a boric acid treatment--so I just put the good bacteria right up in there.

I didn't know until I found this thread that tea tree oil only kills the bad bacteria, so maybe I will start using those capsules for maintenance. I'll report if I learn anything else.

Thanks everyone for the support, I have read this thread often but only now felt like I had something to contribute.


kristen
i finally am going to whole foods to get the fem d everyone has been raving about... no i have really wanted to try it for a long time but could not find a whole foods store. it is a long way from my house but i still think it is better then ordering it. i have hope that it will work for me alone, my problem has been almost non existant with no maintanence at all. just the slightest discharge maybe even normal but hard to tell. but i have also not been having any sex. my boyfriend and i had sex last night so i bet all hell will break lose. anyway i'm very excited to get the fem d and i will be taking only it so i will tell ya'll how it goes. its actually very inexspensive i dont know what some of the ladies are talking about. look at all the rest of the things you spend money on for your vag. 15 bucks a month is great. anyway i'm off to whole foods and i have never been there so maybe i will find something else cool.
kristen
i just got back from whole foods. no fem d!!! i found where it should be there were alot of other jarrow probiotics but no fem d. there was an empty spot that said temporarily out of stock but there was no label there saying what the product was. so i drove 20 minutes to get there and wasted 6 bucks on toll booths and no fem d. i'm so mad i can't seem to find the stuff anywhere. i found on the internet that the vitamin shoppe has it so i went there the other day since its right by my house and none there either i'm so frustrated. i dont know why i dont want to order it i just dont. and yes hell is already breaking loose with my vag after lasts nights little romp. sad.gif
shyedna
QUOTE(honey @ Apr 25 2006, 09:21 AM) *
www.accessrx.com they sell metro gel for 99.00 dollar's


Hi everyone this is my first post, so HELLO. Just wanted to respond to honey.


Honey,

I buy metro from accessrx and have never had a problem, my husband found them on a site he uses www.edguider.com or guiders or something. Anyway they have online doctors and are top notch
konphusion26
A lil BV humor I was thinking of yesterday when I discovered my beast had returned.

If we could create our own commercials every time we had a flare up, what would they be like??

Mine, I was thinking: Introducing Eau de BV - with an array of scents like - turpen~fish (a light TTO turpentine, with fish extract ), buttermilk, wild onion, poo-poolicious, garlic, boric blues and super funk! Get your sampler pack today. For a limited time only, we're also including flagyl samples at no cost. Dissatisfaction guaranteed!
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