Lori: Your post is the "negativity" I am talking about. For your information, I have talked to my doctor about boric acid and I am having her monitor my use so you can shut up about it. I never said boric acid couldn't be dangerous. It can. Therefore it is important for every woman on this forum to have a relationship with a doctor when trying unconventional cures/treatments. I only use it about once every couple of months at this point as my BV is almost a non-issue now, due to diet and exercise changes. When it does flare up, I use boric acid and I do talk to my doctor. That being said, there is a right way and a wrong way to contradict someone's opinion and you do it the wrong way. You do not need to be rude and belittle other busties just because they have a different idea of how they want to treat their BV. Everyone has their own body and can decide for themselves what they want to put into it. I am not a confrontational person and I am not on here to start some petty drama. I have been a part of this forum since 2005 and I am here to help support others and share what I know. If you cannot communicate to others without being hateful and negative, maybe you should just be quiet.

Yes, you did. Quoting you:

QUOTE(sassy @ Nov 26 2008, 02:42 AM)

SweatyinSocialStudies: That list of symptoms is primarily if you ingest boric acid or use it as a topical. Boric acid is safe for vaginal use and it is in many over-the-counter natural yeast products, such as Yeast Away (or something like that...some ladies were using it before. They're basically a pre-packaged boric acid capsule with some extra herbs added.)

Also, want to point out:

QUOTE(sassy @ Nov 26 2008, 02:42 AM)

Quite a few doctors of the ladies on here have even prescribed boric acid as a treatment to help control chronic BV. That said, if anyone has adverse reactions to any drug/substance, you should stop using it immediately and go to the doctor.

Doctors have prescribed boric acid to patients who have concurrent non-albicans yeast as well as BV. I don't recall anyone who said a doctor prescribed boric acid just to treat BV.

Please don't make shit up to support your point.


Consider how in denial you are about the fact that boric acid is dangerous. Sweaty posted info. that it was dangerous - and you contradicted her, and you were wrong. (You said vaginal use is not topical use, and therefore safe. This is totally incorrect.)

Subsequently, all I did was point out that "Vaginal use IS topical use." And then I cited a source. I didn't say anything else.

How the fuck is this the "wrong way?"


First of all, that is not why I'm being rude and belittling to Sweaty. I have no problem with the info. she shared. All I did was say one single sentence to her: "That WAS my point." And then she lost her fucking mind. So I needed to tell her to shut the fuck up because I don't have time for her bullshit.

Seriously, people! I said TWO SENTENCES!
1. "Vaginal use IS topical use."
2. "That WAS my point."

That's IT! How does that make me "hateful" and "negative?"

I just said that you're wrong. I said it in one neat sentence.

How petty are you?

Anyways ... I said this before, and it's always true. People have their own ideas about the right cure (e.g., you - boric acid, Jewels - TTO, neverending - mail-order hormones, etc.) But whenever someone contradicts them, they get very upset and get into some weird denial about it. And they always put up a fight.

Look how you reacted to Sweaty's information. Her research is solid and important. But you actually have to step in and say "boric acid is safe for vaginal use" when it's obviously not. That's just plain wrong.

Basically, you don't want to be wrong about what you've been saying for years. I understand that no one likes being wrong, but think about the consequences of your actions.


That is true. I'm just making sure that the right information is out there.

I'm not gonna say, "That's right Sassy! Boric acid is safe because you say so!"

You were wrong. I was polite about it, and you still throw a fit. Well, get the hell over it.


What? You confront people all the time!


Think about what you've done, Sassy.

Because you didn't like being wrong, you say things like "vaginal use is not topical use," and "vaginal use is safe ..." and other things that are clearly wrong.

And when I correct you in the simplest way possible: "Vaginal use IS topical use. THE END!" - you accuse me of being "hateful and negative."

I think maybe you're the one who needs to shut up. You've been here for 3+ years, and you still insist on spreading bad information because you don't like being wrong. That's fucked up.

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SO, TO SUM UP:

- Sassy said that "Boric acid is safe for vaginal use." To support this point, she also said,"Quite a few doctors of the ladies on here have even prescribed boric acid as a treatment to help control chronic BV." BOTH STATEMENTS ARE 100% FALSE.

- Sassy doesn't like the fact that she's wrong, so she's going to be in denial about it, and say bullshit like "To each her own." In my opinion, if something is fucking POISON, "to each her own" no longer fucking applies. That's just what I think. Draw your own conclusions!

- Why am I so fucking long-winded that I have to type these long answers that require summaries? Because when I type one-sentence answers, people obviously have reading comprehension problems and need to ask me the same questions over and over again asking me what the hell I meant and why I said that and blah-fucking-blah! And I'm pretty fed up!

- That's right, I'm fed up! When I'm polite, people fight me every step of the way, and no one fucking listens. Every fucking time, people! I'm sick of the tiresome bullshit.

Stop being so offended when someone disagrees with you. Sometimes, you're just wrong. (Sometimes, I'm just wrong.) It doesn't mean you're stupid. But if you're going to be in denial about the facts and make shit up, and keep insisting that you're right, then you are a stupid bitch who needs to shut the fuck up for a while. I think doing that is much worse than any of my "hateful" and "negative" comments.

- According to the National Institute of Health and the U.S. National Library of Medicine, "Boric acid is a dangerous poison" that can put you in a fucking coma and give you convulsions. Do not keep sticking it up your vagina just because Sassy says it's safe.

Yes, "Everyone has their own body and can decide for themselves what they want to put into it." (per Sassy) - this is true. If you guys decide to stick bleach into your vaginas, I can't show up in your bathroom and make you stop. But I can say that I think that is retarded thing to do. I'm not going to not say that just because it might hurt someone's little feelings.

And I don't contradict people because it's fun. I only speak up if I think it's harmful - e.g., I never said shit about folic acid or vitamins (until someone wanted to mail-order liquid vitamins to inject themselves with it).

Look. I really do try to be polite and reasonable at first. But when I say, "Hey, maybe that's not such a good idea," no one fucking listens! Seriously, I have said that nicely like 10 times, and it's still like, "Hey, where do I buy syringes online?" So I have to say - "WHAT THE FUCK, PEOPLE!" And then the stupidity finally stops.

If you think that makes me "hateful" and "negative," then you really need to do the world a favor and shut the fuck up.

Hi Sarah,

This is a link that I cited in my blog.

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic613.htm

I've broken it down to numbers, because the original site is hard to read:



I don't know what your doctor offers. But a lot of ladies have had the Affirm test in here, because the results are quick and convenient. I think a culture is another common option.

In my opinion, even if your doctor doesn't think you need it, just ask for it anyway. It doesn't hurt to know for sure.

Lori, you have way too much time on your hands. And why do you use such vile language?

Why I use vile language? Once again, the answer is CONTAINED IN THE VERY POST THAT YOU JUST QUOTED IN ITS ENTIRETY.

Here's my question for you - Why do you keep asking questions when the answer is right there? Learn to fucking read!

I mean, seriously. You've been following me around, sending me PM's, asking me "Why do you say this? Why do you say that?" Why do have to explain everything to you over and over? I've explained myself, and cited my sources. JUST READ!

And I'm the one with too much time on her hands?

Oy.

Please get a fucking life and leave me the fuck alone. And just to answer your question one more fucking time so it's fucking crystal clear - I didn't cuss you out at first. I was very polite. But you just kept bugging me and bugging me and I've lost my patience and now I have no choice but to tell you to PLEASE FUCK OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE!

Got it?

I never came onto this forum expecting to argue with someone, which is pretty low, since I don't know you personally. So, this is the last post that I will make regarding you Lori.

THANK YOU!!!

Hi lori, thanks so much! I really appriciate it! I'm going to call my doctor for an apt. tomorrow morning! Thanks again!

~Sarah

Geez...okay, so I'm ignoring Lori. Just for the record...boric acid can work and I have talked to my doctor about it so while it can be safe in moderation, just be careful with it because it can also be a harmful chemical.

Anyways...can we be nice again? Yikes.

You're welcome, Sarah. Good luck to you.

Also, a week or two ago somebody was talking about using Clindesse and I found this info on www.vaginosis.com that might be of some interest to those who have been prescribed this medication.

"What are 4 new reasons why your doctor would do well to avoid prescribing a clindamycin-based product, including the new single-dose vaginal cream Clindesse?

Not just patients, but doctors as well, are attracted to single-dose therapies. Patients like the idea of taking care of just a single treatment and then being well under way to being cured. Doctors too find comfort in the knowledge that their patients are much more likely to comply with a single-dose treatment than with a multiple-dose regimen which must be taken over several days. However, the key is obviously that the new single-dose therapy must be equally effective to an alternative multiple-dose therapy. Of particular interest, the new product Clindesse contains the same 2% clindamycin phosphate product as does the 7-day Cleocin vaginal cream prduct. However, Clindesse makes use of a sustained-release formulation which allows Clndesse to match the clindamycin vaginal drug concentration of the daily Cleocin cream applications.

The problem comes when Clindesse and other clindamycin-based products have been compared with metronidazole-based products in recent studies. There are four reasons why doctors should be entertaining new doubts about whether clindamycin-based vaginal products are the best treatments that they can prescribe for their patients, these being as follows.

Based on the results of a number of clinical studies which looked at clindamycin cream products, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has stated that the vaginal clindamycin cream appears less efficacious than the metronidazole regimens10. Furthermore, a recent clinical study performed for the Clindesse Investigators Group found that only 42% of enrolled study participants were judged to have had a strict microbiologic cure with Clindesse at 21-30 days post-treatment11.

Unlike what occurs with treatment with metronidazole, treatment of bacterial vaginosis with clindamycin appears to be associated with the subsequent emergence of multiple-antibiotic resistance among vaginal anaerobic bacteria12. Clindamycin resistance rose from 17% at baseline to 53% after therapy with the clindamycin product (Cleocin vaginal ovules), and importantly, 80% of the women who were noted to have clindamycin resistance following therapy continued to harbor clindamycin resistance 90 days after their treatment. This last finding certainly suggests that giving a woman a second prescription for clindamycin within 90 days of a first is ill-advised.

Clindamycin resistance in vaginal anaerobic bacteria also to have a very important spill-over effect on intrapartum antibiotic prophylaxis of Group B Streptococcus, a threatening bacteria in late pregnancy13. When clindamycin resistance is fostered in vaginal anaerobic bacteria, these anerobic bacteria appear to rapidly develop resistance to the group of chemically-related antibiotics called macrolides, which includes erythromycin, clarithromycin (Biaxin), and azithromycin (Zithromax). The fear here is that in exchange for a partially successful treatment of bacterial vaginosis with clindamycin, a woman experiencing problems later with a pregnancy threatened by Group B Sreptococcus could then find that this usually-effective group of macrolide antibiotics is no longer effective for her.
As previously discussed, clindamycin, again unlike metronidazole, has antibiotic activity not just against the anaerobic bacteria associated with bacterial vaginosis, but also against any subsisting healthy Lactobacillus species which, were it not for the clindamycin, could have been on its way to regaining its position of dominance within the vaginal flora."

"Safe in moderation?" I strongly disagree.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002485.htm



In my opinion, based on this new information, boric acid should only be used if you have a really bad non-albicans yeast infection that can't be treated by anything else. It should only be used when prescribed by a doctor and made by a pharmacist (that way you can make sure that it's pharmaceutical grade), and it should only be used for the prescribed amount of time. Hopefully that will cure your stubborn yeast and you never have to touch this stuff again.

I don't think it should be used for BV at all. At best, it was always a "maintenance" solution that only controlled symptoms. With all the bad health consequences from BV that's being discovered, anything that just masks symptoms is probably a bad idea in the long run.

When my gynecologist prescribed vaginal boric acid for my mixed BV/non-Albicans Candida infections, he requested (after reading an article I gave him) that the compounding pharmicist make up the capsules using just 300 mg. of boric acid (as opposed to the typical 600-mg.) and using powdered lactobacilli acidophilus as a filler. In Europe, the lower dosage has been shown to be as effective as the 600-mg. Perhaps this is why I had no adverse reactions.

Maggie C.

Hello everyone!!

I hope you all had a Happy Holiday...

Why is it that everytime I check in, there's some drama going on?? hehehehe...

As Rodney King once said, "Can't we all just get along?" lol...

Ms. Lori... how are you??? hahahahaha.. And Sassy... wow... I didn't know you had it in you girl! lol

Well guys, if I can just say one thing, to settle you all down, you all really HAVE TO STOP trying to read to much into the TONE in Lori's posts. Once I started doing that, I realized, Lori is just here to help. Lori, in my opinion, has taken the time to become extremely knowledgable in the BV Department. And I'm serious about that. If there's something Lori doesn't know, she's going to find the answer. And the truth within that answer. I trust Lori, in just about everything she says. And no, she's not paying me to say this.

Lori and I had these same screaming matches that you all are going through now. But, I can admit, that Lori was correct in the statements she was saying. I was in such a hurry to get a quick fix to this problem that I would try any and everything to make it go away, instead of trying to find a cure.

Boric Acid, in my opinion is the most dangerous shit out there. I had the absolute worse reaction to this shit, that I wish I could show you all pictures. And, mine was DEFINATELY from the use of Boric Acid.

TTO, to me, has the same maintenance effect as Boric Acid. It's not a cure, but it does help, FOR ME AT LEAST. At the time I tried it, it was only because someone on here mentioned their doctor prescribed it for them. Therefore, I thought it would be safe. But, TTO is not the answer either. I don't think anyone has the answer. That's the problem. We all have our own answers, but you can't control how it effects someone else.

Lori's biggest problem with this board, is the mis-use of information. Most of us are desperate on here, therefore, we will try just about anything. THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS!!! And, Lori trys to make sure everyone understands the risks involved when you try something that you yourself, have neither researched, or spoken to your doctor about.

Boric Acid has always worked for Sassy. Does that make it safe? HELL NO.

Take the information given to you on this forum, and do your research. Go to Lori's blogs. She's already done most of the work for you. Not because she thinks she's smarter, or better then anyone, but because she really does give a shit. BE RESPONSIBLE when it comes to your bodies. Listen, learn, and do your research. And do not put out information that you cannot back up as medically proven. Because, trust me, Lori's going to call you out on it. Have you all ever received an email that you thought was true, so you forwarded it to all your friends and family in your contacts, just to have someone respond with a link to SNOPES.COM to show you how this store is FALSE? Think of Lori as snopes.com! lol She's gonna call you out..

LOVE YOU ALL!!!!

I was reading an article on Webmd that said, "For decades, some women have used Lactobacillus acidophilus in yogurt or supplements to treat bacterial vaginosis. But researchers now know that dairy lactobacillus does not work for bacterial vaginosis. This is because dairy lactobacillus is not the kind of bacteria that normally lives in the vagina. Researchers have found two different types of lactobacillus-L. crispatus and L. jensenii-that are most commonly found in a healthy vaginal environment. Research is now focusing on using these types of lactobacilli in capsules."

So, all this whole time, I've been taking the wrong Acidophilus supplement, which only contains the acidophilus from dairy products. (source)

So you were prescribed the boric acid for bv and yeast? Thank you for sharing. I know some doctors are prescribing it. Though my doctor didn't prescribe it, she said it is fine to use occasionally and it has helped tremendously.

Bought the Fem-dophilus, got it, started taking it...... all seemed well on & off for the last 2 months (last time I posted). I was also taking 2 other kinds of Lac/Acido/Bif along with cranberry pills.

Yesterday I realised I have a UTI , so I'm going now to get AB's.... which will probably make the BV come back, or at the very least a yeast infection.

Was going to ask my doctor about Boric Acid.... but she just gives me whatever I tell her to, so might not be such a good idea (ie: it will probably make my va-jay-jay explode).

Lori: sounds like you think of Boric Acid how I feel about hormonal birth control! A lot of people use it, but doesn't mean it's not poison. And what's more frustrating, with BC people argue over which poison is better!

Sweaty said:

" I was reading an article on Webmd that said, "For decades, some women have used Lactobacillus acidophilus in yogurt or supplements to treat bacterial vaginosis. But researchers now know that dairy lactobacillus does not work for bacterial vaginosis. This is because dairy lactobacillus is not the kind of bacteria that normally lives in the vagina. Researchers have found two different types of lactobacillus-L. crispatus and L. jensenii-that are most commonly found in a healthy vaginal environment. Research is now focusing on using these types of lactobacilli in capsules."

Yeah, they're different. I'm allergic to all that stuff anyway. The one thing to which I *didn't* have a violent reaction was saccharomyces boulardii (orally). *Without* MOS. It cleared up the BV for awhile, although I'm not sure if it were a direct effect on the BV or indirectly hitting the BV by dealing with all the allergy-stomach stuff. Then Jarrow (I think that was the brand I was using) starting putting MOS (sugar to feed the saccharomyces boulardii in the gut) in their capsules. I experienced increasing symptoms, and took the junk for a week, before I figured out what the problem was. Then I searched all over to get the stuff without the MOS, finally found another brand, but by then it was too late - it was totally ineffective. And I had a bad reaction. Tried another brand. Same. <sigh>

Itanium

Sorry to hear about your UTI, catwalk.

But don't feel too bad. We're all going to have to take antibiotics at some time in our lives. You could get a respiratory infection, injury, etc. What's important to remember is that you only take it when you need it, you only take the right type, and you only take it per doctor's instructions. Everyone should be doing this already, but it's especially important for us BV ladies!

And take 2 Fem-D pills a day! Remember that you shouldn't take it with antibiotics at the same time, because you don't want it to mix in the stomach at the same time (that's what the instructions say). Take them a couple hours apart.

Unfortunately, some people mis-read that and thought I said you shouldn't take Fem-D while at all while taking antibiotics. No no no! If you're taking antibiotics, that's when you need Fem-D the most!


Ha ha. Well, I've been always thumbs-down on the boric acid for the following reasons:

1) it never cured BV; just a "maintenance" solution - I've gone on and on about how that's not a good thing, so I won't repeat myself here

2) it is used as rat poison

3) Jewelscando used it and got terrible rashes on her face and arms. She is allergic to it, and not everyone is. But what we learned from her experience is that this stuff gets into your body and travels to other areas, it doesn't just stay in your vagina.

So basically, do I feel comfortable shoving rat poison up my vagina when it doesn't even cure BV? No thanks.

I've said this a bunch of times. But I didn't make a big stink about it until now, because I knew that if I did, some asshole somewhere would be bitching and moaning about "negativity." And it wasn't worth it.

But now, I still don't think it's worth it. But I think it's necessary.

Anyway, good luck with your UTI. (That sounds weird, but you know what I mean.)

*sigh*

Okay, this is all very nice info., but it's already been hashed and re-hashed in this thread. And the reason that regular Lactobacillus doesn't work (because it's not native to a healthy vagina) has also been hashed, re-hashed, AND covered in The V Book.

So this is what I mean. If everyone read The V Book, we wouldn't need to waste time on elementary knowledge and basic questions, and wasting time trying stuff that everyone already knows doesn't work! (Taking the wrong kind of Lactobacillus doesn't hurt you, but it is a waste of time).

So once again, I'm going to recommend The V Book. Not only does it cover some basic BV knowledge, it also gives you other tips on other women's health issues that are going to benefit you.

I'm fine, Ms. Jewels! How are you?

It means a lot to me that I've earned your trust. Thanks.

lori!!!

question......i know you say boric acid is not a cure and nor is tto, but what if one has went to the dr and tried everything that is know to man to try and cure this damn thing. my dr has prescribed me everything known to treat bv and it doesn't even go away. i've always taken femd with all my treatments too. right now im doing boric acid twice a week with femd orally and vaginally. i will do a boric acid one night wait 24 hrs and do femd for 2 nights and repeat, all while taking femd in am and nature's reuteri mid-day and femd in pm. any suggestions????

thanks,
sooo sad.

Totally OT, but I am really freaked out by the pic of the cat head on a bun.

Well, knowing what we know about boric acid now, I just don't think anyone should be using it. As I said in a previous post, I think boric acid use should be limited to:

1. diagnosed with non-albicans yeast by a doctor
2. prescribed by a doctor
3. made by a pharmacist
4. used no longer than the prescribed amount of time

I don't think it should be used perpetually. It's poison.

And I said this before, but boric acid is a microbicide. So it's probably killing off the good bacteria including the fem-d bacteria. So by popping in the boric acid twice a week, you're actually making the fem-d not work well.

So my opinion is: cut it out of your treatment.

For the record, normally, I don't tell people exactly what to do. I really never tell people - "do this or that twice a day." I just present information, and I make sure that it's as accurate as possible. You make the decision.

But since you asked, my suggestion is to cut the boric acid out of your treatment. Has it been working for you? I know it controls symptoms, but has it cured you? If not, then I don't think it's worth it.

thanks for your reply lori. but if i cut out the boric acid, then what should i do/use to kill off the bv before replenishing with femd. do you think that with only femd vaginally alone will be good enought to kill off the bv? the boric acid has helped with the symptoms tremendously but i don't know if it has actually cured me because i haven't really stopped using it...kinda scared of the symptoms coming back because it was so unbearable. i'm lost.....

ps.....when i asked my dr how should i use boric acid and if there are any side effects, she said she didn't know and she would look it up on the internet....lol, i can do that too!

sooo sad

Quick Update: I know someone mentioned on here after my last post about the whey...being lactose intolerant. There was another woman who tried the whey in the form of Molkosan...and she is lactose intolerant and said that it still worked for her and didn't give her any reaction. Since I am still on antibiotics...I didn't want to try this and not be able to accurately report that it worked for me. Though I must say, the anti's did Nothing for me this time and last time. However, she got the Molkosan, added a tsp. into a dropper with a bulb on it; lays down and squirts it in. She did say that there is some 'milky' smell; but not bad. She also mentioned that there might be slight irritation that night; but by the next morning everything is back to normal. Maybe someone on here would give this a try and report?

Didn't you take flagyl? That should have taken care of it.

Your boyfriend took it, too, right?


I think it's possible. Some research says that it can. But I think it's more effective to take the flagyl first, and then replenish with Fem-D (unless you're pregnant).


Hmm. That's a little scary.

Well, the decision is yours.

yes, my boyfriend and i took it at the same time and he was neg when retested and i was pos. i don't know what to do. that flagyl didn't take care of it for me and i've taken it 2 different ocassions while on femd

I figured since we are always talking about our kitties........ lol


lori and soo sad: Am I supposed to be taking the Fem-D vaginally???? I've been taking it orally!

Update on my UTI.... I got an antibiotic called Macrobid, as you can see this drug SUCKS. I was stupid not to research it before taking it, I got SO sick!
BUT, good thing was she gave me flagylstatin for 'just in case' my BV flares up!

Oh yeah, this is the big debate.

You're supposed to take it orally. But:

- it was used vaginally in clinical trials
- one of the busties e-mailed the the doctor who created it (Gregor Reid) asking him if it can be used vaginally, and he replied yes
- Jarrow's FAQ basically said (for a while, but now it's gone) - it's up to you how you use the product

So basically, it looks like the people who made it are saying - you can use it vaginally, we just can't tell you to do that.

Personally (and this is just me) - I'm not convinced that capsule with starchy ingredients inside is a good delivery method for the vagina. I had problems with a similar product. (long story) So *I* wouldn't do it. The product is supposed to be used orally, it works that way, so that's what I stick with.

And there are some busties who did use it vaginally, and didn't like the results.

But that doesn't mean you can't. Some busties do use it vaginally, and are happy with the results.

(Sorry to hear you got sick.)

When did you start using the boric?

Ha! I actually think it's kinda funny.

i started using it again at the end of september. this time i'm using it with the femd. when i used it for the first time in march of this year i wasn't using it with femd because i didn't know that femd exsisted until i stumbled here. the second time using boric i used it for about 1.5-2 months straight, now i do twice a week.

Hmmm.

Well, like I said, I think the boric might be canceling out the fem-d, because it's a microbicide.

LMAO@YOUR PIC! NICE

sooo sad it may be worth the try to use str8 femd and nothing else and see what it does for you. im assuming your body responds to it since you still use it. so the flagyl doesnt work for you at ALL??? interesting. i respond well to it, my bv just comes back after a while. i have a whole bottle of femd that i havent used yet, my bv is full force right now. someone said something about smelling of onions. thats exactly how my smell is. but when i take two femd's (one orally and one vaginally, it worked well for me), the smell is almost totally gone within a week. even my discharge is different. but if i dont do it for a day or two then guess what happens . which makes me wonder if i have sooo much bad bacteria that i need to kill it off with the meds first. and since i do in fact respond well to flagyl im gonna get some at the doc next week. until then the femd will stay in the fridge. im dying to use it though. but this time im going to try to finish up the whole course of flagyl and then do the femd, since i havent given the meds a chance in a looooong time.. if that doesnt work and it comes back ill do strictly femd. if that doesnt work ill punch someone. but anyway think about giving it a try.

i do want to point out that even though my bv symptoms came back after stopping the femd, i DO think that if you continue to take it that it COULD clear up on its own.

That sounds like a good plan, Lovely.

However, in my opinion, I'd say - take Fem-D NOW. Keep taking it during the flagyl, and then keep taking it after.

The flagyl may kill some of the Fem-D, but I say replenish, replenish, replenish starting now. What's the point of waiting?


I do think that it could clear up on its own - in theory, I think it's possible that you'll just have so much good bacteria that it will eventually take over the bad and beat it without the flagyl. But naturally, the flagyl should give you a head start by killing off all the bad stuff first.

In any case ... Good luck!

thanks lori and lovelyladyluck!!!

i'm not sure what approach i'm gonna go about now but i will keep everyone posted. i'm sure i'm still gonna do femd tho thanks again ladies and good luck!!!!

hello! i've been reading this board for about 6 months now, so i decided to finally say hi. i've had b.v. for almost a year now, having gone to four different doctors in rotation. now, i'm on the 6 month metrogel treatment which isn't really doing anything. i just picked up fem d today at whole foods. i'm getting quite sick of doctors. each one told me a different thing, one told me to get my boyfriend checked and then when we went in, the nurses refused to test him because "men can't get it." however, i didn't have b.v. until about two weeks after we started having sex. i've told my main gyno about that but he sort of dismissed me. we started using condoms but that didn't really help either. anyways, most everything i've learned about b.v. i've learned from you ladies and i just wanted to say knowing other people are going through the same thing is such a big help when the depression and insecurity sets in.
thanks to all of you!

I'm the onion one. I have responded well to metrogel and metronidazole so far aswell, but like you find, the discharge always comes back pretty quickly.

What I can't understand is that my tests have been coming back negative for bv recently. Yet somehow I don't think an onion smelling, green, very heavy discharge complete with stinging and pain is normal. Although if the doctors can't find anything then apparently there's nothing wrong

Have you tried other types of acidophilus/probiotics as well as the FemD? If so, did they work? I don't think I'm responding to normal acidophilus but haven't tried FemD yet as it's not available over here in the uk. If FemD is different then I'll try and get hold of some.

Hello Hun and WELCOME TO THE BOARD!

I eat a lot of onions and on everything. I even like them raw so I take Chlorophyll to help. Here is some info on this supplement:

What is Chlorophyll Good For?
Besides what is mentioned above, chlorophyll helps increase heart function, improves the vascular system, cleanses the liver of heavy metals and chemical toxins, cleanses and improves the health of the intestines, uterus, and lungs. It is also a natural breath freshener and body deodorizer.

For people who really want to cleanse their bodies of impurities, adding chlorophyll is a great way to go. From liver and colon cleanses, to blood and circulation improvement, chlorophyll in the diet will bring vast improvements. If elimination issues are plaguing you, adding chlorophyll to your diet will help solve your problem.

Hope this helps!

Hmmm.....If he has a big penis, he may be rubbing you raw. Have you tried Fem D? I would suggest you try to replenish your flora to see if that works. Oh yeah, Docs will tell you different things. Just try to do what you think is best for yourself.

How long does it take for the Fem-Dophilus to work?

It depends on your condition. Everybodies body is different. For some it may take 2wks, others 2 mos if you ge what I'm saying. I say try it to see if it works. Doesn't hurt to try hun!

Hi, I've lurked here for about a year and I've tried most of the suggestions on this site and many have brought relief, but I thank God for truly helping me find a cure and I'd like to share it with you ladies.

The cure: It's an oral dose of "Z" pack antibiotic. Zithromax/Azithromycin (*it treats bacterial infections) I don't think the antibiotic's effect on bacterial vaginosis is shared much in the medical community or with patients.

Azithromycin is used to treat certain bacterial infections, most often those causing middle ear infections, tonsillitis, throat infections, laryngitis, bronchitis, pneumonia and sinusitis. It is also effective against certain sexually transmitted infectious diseases, such as non-gonococcal urethritis and cervicitis. (wiki) It's funny that a doctor has never prescribed this for any of us.

I found this cure by accident. I used it for a throat infection and it also cleared up my bv. Then I did some research and discovered that it was the reason my bv cleared up. I've tried EVERYthing, trust me, including FemD, peroxide (great for a quick fix), yogurt, acidophilis, boric acid, metrogel, flagyl, etc... So I understand what you ladies are going through.

Actually, I've had BV for years, but I've always been able to cure it with a doctor's prescription of Metrogel. Unfortunately, I think I contracted a very resistant strain from a new partner. I should also add that I'm allergic to latex and that often brings on a bv infection for me.

Anyway, bottom line, get a prescription for a 5 day "Z" pack. I used it for 5 days and then followed it with Metrogel for another 3-4 days to make sure it was gone, but you may be fine with just the antibiotic. It's been over 2 months and I'm completely BV free, including no smell. Please get the prescription for Azithromycin.

Many doctors may try to tell you that this won't cure it, but believe me, IT WORKS! I vowed to finally post once I felt confident with a cure/remedy and now I finally do. I've been bv free since mid October ladies and it's December.

Yours Truly,

Finally Relieved

Ok. Thanks. By the way, did it work for you? Because from what I've been reading Fem-Dophilus is pretty good.

I got mine off ebay for super cheap & I think they ship worldwide! *checking* Yup!

Link is here

It shows they only have 1 bottle left, but at least it's a start! I put in a best offer of £13 & it accepted it right away but you could probably try less (plus £5 shipping, even to UK!). I'm happy I ordered it, I really think it has helped..... although I have to be more diligent in taking them every day.

hey im a newbie here............... newho im 21 years old and i have been living with bv for the longest time... im soo embarassed to even go socialize in fear of someone smelling me..... i recently quit my job because i felt everyong was looking at me and hearing lil whispers here and there while i enter a room... i just feel soo alone ... i barely go out.. i stop going to school... this disease as taken over my life i just dont know what to do with myself...and is it common with people with bv to be dealing with halitosis (bad breath) ............sad to say i stopped communicating to the people i love in fear of them putting their hands on their nose...........ahhhhhhh soo much goes through my day please help me find a cure for this disease..

thats interesting that your tests have been coming back negative lately, perhaps its trich?? have you been tested for absolutely everything else??? i remember you saying something about it starting after you took antidepressents... my first case of Bv started when i started prozac and birth control!!!! like freshnfree im also allergic to latex, and believe this aggravated my situation, but my first case DEFINITELY came directly after starting the meds i mentioned. i decided to postpone my gyno appt because i got my period early, but when i go i am going to ask to be tested for stds A-Z as well as strepB, BV, AND i want to be referred to an endocrinologist for hormone testing. my mother has always said that she believes my hormones are totally out of whack(i have some of the illest modd swings known to man), and given the fact that my depression, stress, and birth control meds brought on my first case i am going to test that little theory.

i havent tried any other probiotics, but femd is wonderful and if i know there are some UK ladies who post here that have gotten a hold of some.

good luck girls

Ladies, Iherb has the Fem D (60 capsules) for $23.77 and the 30 capsules for 17.47 - I'd say it would be better to buy the 60 caps if you can afford that few extra bucks. I certainly need it, and I'm a stickler for staying stocked up on stuff. For me it seems that 30 capsules run out way too fast.

Anyway, thought I'd pass that on while I'm placing my order Hope you all get to feeling better soon.

Linky: Fem Dophilus - iHerb.com