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latinrican
Hey Ladies...Im new to this but been having the same problem for over a year. Has anyone tried Enzara or heard of it? Im thinking about trying it....any suggestions?
sassy
DO NOT USE ENZARA...IT DOES NOT WORK AND IT'S A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY! Several girls, including myself, have tried it and basically it's just a nice advertising campaign but there isn't any truth to its claims.

As for boric acid and sex, I wait until I don't have anymore of the clear boric acid discharge. (You get a clear discharge when you use each boric acid capsule...when the discharge is gone, I figure it's out of my vagina.) I use condoms and it doesn't seem to harm them, although I'm also on birth control so I don't completely rely on their effectiveness.
latinrican
Thanks Sassy for the warning....I was surely about to buy it. I understand by reading everyone's reply that the Boric Acid is the thing to get...so I can get this at Wal-Mart and/or Pharmacy?...now what about the capsules?
neverending
Wow! We have gotten so many new girls on this site.This is crazy! Researchers need to do something about this.I can't believe they would let us suffer like this.
Jewelscando:Did you talk back to that doctor that was trying to help us?
jewelscando
Stay far away from Enzara!! You might as well flush your money down the toilet with the itty bitty fish heads!! Capsules you can buy at a health store like GNS, Boric is found at Walmart near the Peroxide, and if they don't have it, ask somebody. It looks like a big Vitamin Bottle. (Best way to describe it)

Neverending, never heard back from the Doctor, must of been a flake like all the rest.

Sassy, glad to hear everything is better!!

Shorty, be carefull with the sitz baths. Boric acid can be toxic, so I wouldn't do that unless a doctor or somebody says it's safe.

Still no fish on this end!!!
Ladygemini75
QUOTE(Emma22 @ Aug 21 2006, 05:04 AM) *

Its nice to know that im not alone in this! After reading all your advice i tried tea tree oil last night. So far the smell has gone but i dont know if thats just the tea tree oil thats covering it up! I want to try yoghurt as i read that somewhere else aswell and was helpful to others

dont do it. yogurt is messy and it doesnt help. boric is the way to go homegirl.

QUOTE(sassy @ Aug 21 2006, 11:34 AM) *

DO NOT USE ENZARA...IT DOES NOT WORK AND IT'S A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY! Several girls, including myself, have tried it and basically it's just a nice advertising campaign but there isn't any truth to its claims.

As for boric acid and sex, I wait until I don't have anymore of the clear boric acid discharge. (You get a clear discharge when you use each boric acid capsule...when the discharge is gone, I figure it's out of my vagina.) I use condoms and it doesn't seem to harm them, although I'm also on birth control so I don't completely rely on their effectiveness.

as for the enzara dont do it. give your money to me. i tried it and it did not work either. i know. boric acid is the bomb.

i love all yall. i thought i was the only 1 with bv for so long. i thought i was defective. ive been using the boric acid for 3 days now and no smell down below. thank god. but i have not had sex as of yet. so i hope the smell is gone for good. i will post with the results. okay. so until then i only have this to say. EVERY WOMAN WHO SUFFERS FROM BV PLEASE GO OUT AND GET A BOTTLE OF BORIC ACID AND FREE YOURSELVES FROM THIS HELLLLLLLLLLL! it really works.
quietmadness
Do any of Y'all know of a web site where you can buy BOTH the boric acid AND the gel caps?

That'd be the best shit ever...all nice and delivered to my door.

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shorrty
thanks jewls think i'll leave out the sitz bath, so far so good still bv free and no post sex odour. i hope its gone 4 good!

you can also buy some cheap herbal capsules and empty them and refil with BA as necessary i have 2 do this cos i cant get gel caps anywhere
Emma22
Hey, is there a way you can take the boric acid orally? i think id prefer that. Has anyone tried this?
D double U
Hey Ladies,

You can now add me to the list of survivors of Bv! I finally was able to get the Boric Acid and I don't have anymore discharge!! I do get a little discharge the day I use it but after that, nothing... The other clear discharge is normal right ladies...?
latinrican
Hey ladies...I was on a mission today. Went to Walmart and Target---no Boric Acid. Went to Eckerd....finally found the generic "Eckerd Boric Acid"....I guess that's good enough. I also went to the health store today and they only had size "O" capsules. I bought them but now I dont know how many capsules I should use a night with that size or if I should put more/less, etc. Can anyone help? Thank u .... Can't wait to start using it tonight, I think Im going to sleep early just to get my first dosage...lol :0)
jewelscando
DO NOT TAKE THE BORIC ORALLY!! It is toxic and will kill you. Here are a few sites with information on Boric Acid treatments, and where you can buy them all ready made.

As far as the 0 Capsules, I would just use one a day. I think they are smaller then the 00, but two of the 0's may be to much.

Congrats D Double U!! Welcome to the Boric Acid survivor group!!

Hope this helps!!

http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/2812003.html

http://www.taoofherbs.com/products/413/Vit...p;keyword=boric
quietmadness
smile.gif rolleyes.gif smile.gif I FOUND IT, Y'ALL!!

I found a web site where you can order BOTH the boric acid AND the empty gel caps! YAAAAY!

*does happy dance in skivvies*

www.pennherb.com

Just do a search in the box for "empty gelatin capsules" and another one for "boric acid."

*waits patiently for Bustie applause and accolade* cool.gif biggrin.gif
treehugger
I have the size 0 capsules. I just fill one all the way and a second one just halfway.
tgifcanigohomeyet
Girls,

I love you guys more than chocolate, McDreamy and margaritas put together!

Yup, you guessed it: I tried the boric acid. So far, I have to say its working faster than any of the other crap I tried (and believe me, I've tried it all!)

I was a little freaked out initially, because of the whole toxic thing, but I researched and got over and I'm so glad I did.

Any new people out there that havent tried boric acid, you really need to! Seriously, try it once and you'll see a difference and even if you dont, it only cost you maybe five bucks, I'm used to paying 90 for Metrogel each time!
latinrican
Ladies, Ladies, Ladies.......

Yeyyyyyyyy...I, too, have also tried the boric acid for my first time and no smell at all!!!!!!!!!!!!! :0) Thank u alllllllllll!!! I love ya!!! :0) I've been suffering w/ this crap for about a year and some months. I was getting so tired of going to the doctors every single month. So now my question is...how long should I use it? I only had one and the smell is gone. That was two days ago...I didnt do it yesterday...so should I put another today? Thanks!!
Ladygemini75
hey girls i finally had sex last night, and guess what? no smell. yes no smell. but afterwards i put 1 capsule in. so i will use this method twice a week and once after sex. this is a godsend. i wish i could have found this out years ago.
jewelscando
YEAH!! BORIC ACID!!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif I'm so happy everyone is having such great success!! smile.gif As far as how long you have to use it, nobody really can say for sure. However, what seems to be working for most is twice a week and ALWAYS after sex!! Cause it seems to me that our man's little [i]swimmers are the [b]CAUSE for MOST of us!!!
dani837
You know what, that might be it.
Like one month ago, I had sex with the boy, and I don't know why we used a condom(ooo now that I remember, he was super horny and he didn't want to come fast so he used a condom). Anyways, when we were done he grabbed it and threw it into the trash can. One/two days later,(I have totally forgotten about the condom in the trashcan) something in my room was smelling WEIRD, liek disgusting rotten milk or SOMETHING, I was like ewww wtf is that smell coming from! Then I found out: it was the condom! his spunk was smellin funky! I almost PUKED i swear god! Then like 1 week ago, he used a condom again, threw it again and 1 day later it was smelling HORRIBLE. So yeah girls, I think their spunk is the cause.
sassy
It may make it worse, but for me the sperm alone doesn't cause my BV. I use condoms with my fiancee and I still get BV. I will say that when I don't use condoms with him, I notice a BV smell a lot faster...but either way, I still get it.
neverending
I got on board with the boric acid and I'll have to say that this is a great method to use.No smell after sex or anything!I used boric acid before(prescribed) but it did'nt work as well as me putting it together myself.(very odd)Anyway this is great stuff!
Thanx ladies smile.gif
jewelscando
Yeah, Sassy is right!! For all is different. For me, it's the sperm. And it's a definate for me!!
musicfit
Today I found out that I no longer have bv! I have finally beat it after years of trouble. One of the things I did was start using unscented laundry detergent. I also do not use soap when I wash my vagina or my anal area. I have also started using Astro Guide as a lubricant because KY just wasn't doing it to me, since it gets too sticky. So far, that's about all I've done.

I'm glad you are all finding ways to beat it.
latinrican
Hey Musicfit...

I have also started using unscented laundry detergent and unscented dove soap...what are u using to wash down there?
neverending
How many people are using Boric acid and how long have you been using it?Also do you think if you stopped using the Boric acid the BV will come back?I'm afraid to stop using the boric acid.I insert two a day.Is that too much? blink.gif
pepper
after that boyfriend who liked me all au naturelle i stopped using soap down there too. maybe that's why the bv only lasts for a couple of days for me? it is definately sperm related with me too, especially if it was crazy sex and my bits are all irritated, these days that's just as likely to turn into yeast for me though which has never happened until this year.
i have had some serious dietary changes in the last 1-2 years though, i have been eating way, way more dairy and grains, foods that i never really liked but have around for convenience since our schedule has gotten hairy. i drink more alcohol and caffeine too and my sleeping habits aren't as good.

well, no duh things aren't working as well as they used to eh? luckily i'm still really healthy by any standards but i KNOW that if i clean my act up my kitty imbalances will clean up too. just gotta find a way to do everything i have to do in half the time. ha.
musicfit
Latanrican, I just use water. The doctor actually recommended that I not use any substance to wash myself 'down there.' Everything I have used to wash that area has ended up giving me an infection, except for plain water.
latinrican
Hey Neverending...

I used Boric Acid for the first time last week and the smell stopped; however, my period just came on, so I can't really say if I need to keep putting Boric Acid in after my period. I did notice that once I started using unscented soap and detergent that my BV wasnt so strong as it was before. I'll know more once my period goes away if I need more Boric Acid.
ittybittyhiney
I've been using Boric for awhile now since the second week of July. And I have found that if I stop using it, the smell does come back. I have to confess to you all that I did completely stop using it and went on Flagyl, 500MG, once a day. The only reason I did this is because I won't be seeing my boyfriend for another 2 weeks, which means no sex for a total of 3-4 weeks. And I figured since the boric was taking it away, and not keeping it away, I might as well try the antibiotic to see if that helps. Also, the Boric took away the fish smell, but I still had a sort of rotten smell down there. Not during sex, just at times that I would test it to see if there was a smell. Almost smells like poop, but NOT THAT bad. So, as far as the Boric, it seems to me that unless we change our other habits like for me, smoking and coffee, the boric probably won't work 100% because of those other issues. Sassy, what has your experience been? You don't smoke do you??

Oh, also, since I've been on the Flagyl, the rotten smell is gone. I think I needed the antibiotic, however, I know I will need to go back on the Boric to atleast keep the fish smell away.
D double U
So far, Ive only used the Boic acid three times and I really haven't had a problem since. EXCEPT for Sunday. I was doin Tae Bo and it was really rigorous. I was wearing a thong at the time and when I went to take a shower, there was a huge glop of white discharge!!! I didn't have a smell tho.... I immediately inserted a BA capsule and I've been fine ever since. It was just a weird experience I guess. A doctor once told me not to wear thongs because the rubbing from the anus into the vagina causes BV. What do you guys think about that??
sassy
I don't smoke. I think I eat rather healthy as well...I've been a vegetarian for the past 7 years. I do drink occasionally but I've never seen that affect whether or not I have BV. As for the soap issue...I've tried not using soap, using it only around the outside of my vagina, tried unscented soap, etc...it doesn't matter, I still get BV. I'm pretty sure sex will always bring it back and since I don't intend giving up sex, I don't know what else to do to prevent it. If I have to use boric acid until I find something better, so be it. I'm at my witts end and at least the boric acid makes me smell normal.
neverending
D double U: I got that glop of crap too but only when I used Garlic as a Suppository.I thought "why in the hell do I have to go through this crap".I never heard of thongs causing BV but I did hear that thongs helps BV grow because of the moist environment.Thats why I stopped wearing thongs.(unless I know my husband will come home & want some. Then I pull out the pretty stuff!)
Emma22
see i dont understand wat im doing wrong cos i dont have sex or wear thongs. i dont smoke, i eat a healthy diet and i wash "down there" very frequently with water and non perfumed soaps.

I dont understandddddddddddddddd
sassy
Emma22...I understand your frustration. Although I'm in a sexual relationship now...I've had BV even when I was still a virgin. It's a very mysterious and stupid infection!
jewelscando
Sassy, how's the boric going and how much, when ect. I went off mine just to see what would happen. No sex for me for a while, so we will see
neverending
Has anybody else tried the unscented detergent?I think that might have something to do with some of it.Have you all heard that commercial that says something like"Whats worse than having your house smell like fish? Having your house smell like fish and flowers".I guess thats what scented detergent does.(makes it worse) Also is anybody here still self-conscious even when using the Boric acid. I swear I wear powder, feminine spray, monistat moisture control,and I use the boric acid but I still feel afraid to walk past someone or if I hear someone say something about bath or something of that nature I feel very self-conscious.I know I don't smell but i'm always thinking "what if I do?".How do you all deal with this and how do you know if you smell or not because I don't even know whats normal anymore?
sassy
The boric acid is still working great for me. No problems with that. It makes the smell go away in one day. I usually use it once or twice a week. I don't know about the detergent. I don't think it would really help since I think BV is related a lot to sex as well.
treehugger
QUOTE(neverending @ Sep 1 2006, 09:34 AM) *

Has anybody else tried the unscented detergent?I think that might have something to do with some of it.Have you all heard that commercial that says something like"Whats worse than having your house smell like fish? Having your house smell like fish and flowers".I guess thats what scented detergent does.(makes it worse) Also is anybody here still self-conscious even when using the Boric acid. I swear I wear powder, feminine spray, monistat moisture control,and I use the boric acid but I still feel afraid to walk past someone or if I hear someone say something about bath or something of that nature I feel very self-conscious.I know I don't smell but i'm always thinking "what if I do?".How do you all deal with this and how do you know if you smell or not because I don't even know whats normal anymore?



I still get BV with unscented/undyed detergents. Also unscented shower soaps too. For me it seems to be related to semen. If I have sex with condoms I don't get it; if I have unprotected sex where there's internal ejaculation, I get it every time. It also seems to be related to the time of the month. Seems like, within about three days before my period starts, I always get it really bad!
cajungirl
hi Ladies, I'm new to this board and like many of you, have been researching and trying to find a natural cure for BV over a year now. I can remember the first signs of this in high school 14 years ago when I used to wear biking (bikers') shorts under my skirts. The tight spandex all day long was a breeding ground for this bacteria during puberty years. I didn't even think anything of it, until just a few years ago. I guess I thought it was normal. At times, it's worse than others as most of you probably know. The antibiotics from the docs would make it go away for only a couple of days of so, then it would return. Not to mention, antibiotics would kill off the little bit of good bacteria that was there and cuase other things like yeast infections. duh!

Yes, it does seem worse during sex, but I don't think it is the sperm causing it. I just think that if the infection is active, it is already inside of you and the crap ends up being pulled out by your partner; thus, the smell is exposed more as well. My boyfriend of 2 1/2 years pulls out everytime, especially since I stopped taking birth-control pills because I feel they are not good for you. He agrees and is supportive. Anyway, his sperm never enters me and (when the infection is at it's worst) even before we get into it--the first few strokes--stuff is already coming out and the smell is usually there. We usually have a towel available, wipe off the stuff that just came out of me and continue without much more discharge. It's sad to have to go through this. unsure.gif I am fortunate to have a wonderful and supportive guy, but he still shouldn't have to suffer. I want a cure!!

My infection does seems to be worse after I eat more sugar, refined and processed foods or drink alcohol more than usual and the infection definitely lightens up when I stay away from too much sugar and eat healthier--more vegatables, no refined foods. I was taking Garden of Life's Primal Defense a few months ago and it seemed to help as well. I just haven't gotten to the Health Food Store to get more and don't have the money to spare. After reading all of your posts, I am tempted to try Boric Acid. Afterall, I do have my good days and bad days, but wouldn't it be soooo nice to never have to worry about this aggravating infection ever again! Thank you all for your input. I'm glad I found you smile.gif I'll keep you posted...

QUOTE(treehugger @ Sep 1 2006, 07:18 PM) *

I still get BV with unscented/undyed detergents. Also unscented shower soaps too. For me it seems to be related to semen. If I have sex with condoms I don't get it; if I have unprotected sex where there's internal ejaculation, I get it every time. It also seems to be related to the time of the month. Seems like, within about three days before my period starts, I always get it really bad!

I wonder...

Do you eat more sweets when you get those cravings like most of us do right before your period? If so, that could be why it's worse three days before you start.

hummmm... just a thought smile.gif
treehugger
Hmm. Interesting. But I think the boric acid is controlling mine well enough that there's no odor before or during unprotected sex...but the day AFTER said unprotected sex, I will always notice odor again. Starting to think my tubal ligation was a bad idea! At least I had an excuse to wear condoms before. Because the boy certainly doesn't think his sperm could POSSIBLY be a bad thing. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE
Do you eat more sweets when you get those cravings like most of us do right before your period? If so, that could be why it's worse three days before you start.


Mmm, no, not really. I'm not a sweets fan, much, at all. Because I'm a heavy beer drinker...(bad I know; it just seems so ingrained in me and my friends and just the area where I live, etc).

Anyway, it precludes sweets eating. My diet is pretty consistent through the month. For me, a sweets binge is one square of chocolate out of a 70% cocoa bar. Like, a one inch square piece. And dark choc. doesn't have that much sugar anyway...

So anyway, the boric acid has been a godsend for me. I'm more reactive than proactive about using it...I just use it if I notice an odor. It's gone the next day normally.


neverending
OK, another dumb question! I'm going to buy unscented detergent today.Can I use the unscented detergent with just my underware or should I use it in all of my clothes.(shirts,pants,etc)I love having scented detergent but If using unscented detergent will help this problem
then I will have to make an adjustment.Also how do you know if you smell bad because I have no clue what normal is anymore?When I'm at home I don't notice a smell but sometimes if i'm walking around in a store I notice a faint smell and sometimes I think it's my perfume but then again who knows.I'm so paranoid!
pepper
i'd use it with the bedding, towels, anything that touches your bottom, etc. might as well just switch and pick a nice perfume. remember unscented drier sheets if you use those too.
jewelscando
Just a quick update ladies. I went off Boric for a week, just to see what would happen, and the B.V. came back so bad, it's unreal. The absolute worst air bubbles, and lower stomach pains. So I went back on it Friday night, used two capsules, then 1 Sat. night, and it's gone again. Haven't had sex for over 2 weeks, so I know it's not from that. So, I guess Boric will be for life.
D double U
Damn Ladies,

Boric Acid for life huh? Well I guess until they find a permanent cure, this is what we have to do. Maybe the real question is, does Boric Acid really get rid of BV? or does it just mask the symptoms?????
cajungirl
I haven't done further research on the Boric Acid and I haven't started using it yet either, but I was wondering if there could be any effects that would harm pregnancy in the future. Has anyone looked this up?
cajungirl
so, I'm not sure if you ladies have already talked about what our vaginas' pH levels shoud be, but I thought that would be good to know, since ours is obviously off. I found this: http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,5888,00.html & http://www.webmd.com/hw/womens_conditions/hw6026.asp

So, between 3.8 and 4.5 is where our pH levels should be. It seems like we have more higher pH level similar to what children have. This would explain why the Borid Acid works--by bringing down your vagina's pH level to a more acidic level. http://www.evitamins.com/healthnotes.asp?ContentID=2812003

But I'm still wondering, is it safe? My biggest fear is to screw something up to where I can't have children later.

Has anyone tried Aci-Gel? I'm assuming it's similar to Metro-Gel and RePhresh? These also seem like they would cost a lot over-time...
sassy
I've found studies online that say that aci-gerl doesn't really help against BV. But I think someone on here may have had some positive results. Boric acid really does get rid of BV (and yeast too) but the problem is that our bodies, for some reason, do not know how to keep the ph regulated for the boric acid or antibiotics' effects to last very long. I still want to order the acidocophilis suppositories online but they are expensive! They are supposed to restore PH after using boric acid. >>>> https://www.rockwellnutrition.net/product.a...5&catid=101
klee
Has anyone been recommended gentian violet for BV? It seems quite bizarre but apparently you can have your doctor paint your cervix and vagina walls w/a gentian violet solution. It also treats yeast infections, which is always a bonus. It might be something I'd ask about if I continue to get it every month in my next relationship.

See this doctor's blog here: http://blogs.chron.com/herhealth/2006/07/r...shy_odor_1.html
pepper
gentian violet, sounds so lovely doesn't it? but i wouldn't be putting that stuff anywhere near my anything. not so natural. not that the rest of the crap they use to treat bv isn't ghastly toxic either. gah.
dani837
huh.gif
My dog's vet puts that on dogs' wounds!
I agree with pepper, I wouldn't put that anywhere near my hoohah tongue.gif
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