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swt simplicity
QUOTE(melis19750 @ Oct 8 2010, 07:30 PM) *
just wanted to add
I think telling someone-
some women get BV than it comes back often worse, is really NOT something someone should say. Especially to someone who is new to this imbalance and its a first time thing.

I really believe most women who get BV returning is because A) too many anti biotics in the past... cool.gif no use of pro-biotics

leaves a body imbalanced

therefor, by the time someone who is imbalanced, maybe not eating completely well...etc; tries to re-treat its harder to treat.

a good example of someone getting it and going away, the lady at the health food store, she had to treat the BV twice, got yeast after, eventually after getting on a good pro biotic and taking care of herself- she got back on balance and she no longer has BV

so- just some advice, i think its better to not set a not so positive tone, you want people to stay positive, as it helps with the healing process
=)

Yeah, I know it's important to stay positive. However reoccurring infections are just something some women have to come to terms with, which is the case for most women on here including myself. It happens, and it helps to know what you'll do in case it does. If your doing all of the right things then you shouldn't have much to worry about.

The imbalance from taking antibiotics is one thing, but if someone keeps taking antibiotics over and over again, it can open a gateway to resistant infections (strains of bacteria and yeast) that aren't responding to any antibiotics. You've heard of the MRSA infection right? Well that is a super bug that is resistant to any antibiotics that are out right now. It is said to be "highly resistant to some antibiotics." It's basically the same deal with bacterial vaginosis or yeast that has been over treated with antibiotics.
melinda7
I wanted to warn people about inserting capsules of anything. I did it with the BA, but I used capsules from the pharmacist, which are just regular capsules and everything was fine. I then got capsules at the health food store that are vegetarian and I used the BA and it didn't dissolve at all! It came out intact the next morning. I thought it was just not up far enough, which could be.

Then, I inserted my probiotic capsule and that came out -- half of it yesterday. Something felt weird and today the other half came out (I thought it had dissolved). So, I am letting you know. It may be the vegetarian and probiotic capsules don't dissolve easily. I don't know....?


I tried Balance Activ and then I got a yeast infection. No burns like Melis, but maybe my PH isn't off, so it made it too low. I am also on flagyl, so it could just be that too. I will try again when I am done my period or I really feel my PH is off.
swt simplicity
QUOTE(melinda7 @ Oct 9 2010, 02:54 PM) *
I wanted to warn people about inserting capsules of anything. I did it with the BA, but I used capsules from the pharmacist, which are just regular capsules and everything was fine. I then got capsules at the health food store that are vegetarian and I used the BA and it didn't dissolve at all! It came out intact the next morning. I thought it was just not up far enough, which could be.

Then, I inserted my probiotic capsule and that came out -- half of it yesterday. Something felt weird and today the other half came out (I thought it had dissolved). So, I am letting you know. It may be the vegetarian and probiotic capsules don't dissolve easily. I don't know....?
I tried Balance Activ and then I got a yeast infection. No burns like Melis, but maybe my PH isn't off, so it made it too low. I am also on flagyl, so it could just be that too. I will try again when I am done my period or I really feel my PH is off.

Were you doing all of these treatments at the same time? It sounds like a lot. Did you use the '00' size gelatin capsules? About the BalancActiv: Sometimes vaginal gels cause a thick tissue like discharge because the gel mixes in with your vaginal secretions. Some women mistake this discharge for a yeast infection. Yeast can thrive in both high and low pH's, so even if the gel lowered your pH too much, it's not likely it increased the level of yeast present or induced a yeast infection.

Probiotics are formulated for oral use, so inserting one vaginally probably won't be so effective, since they usually have an enteric coating that should survive the stomach acids therefor it wouldn't break down properly in the vagina.

Good luck smile.gif

P.S. Boric acid does a good job of knocking out microorganisms. It basically wipes out both good and bad bacteria as well, so try not to over do it. A user on here said that she got her boric acid capsules formulated by a Pharmacist or Chemist with acidophilus and that helped replenish the lost bacteria. The capsule was formulated with 50% boric acid and 50% acidophilus. I think it was Mfc10, I'm not too sure. Maybe you can ask your local Chemist if that can be done. You'd be killing two birds with one stone.
mfc10
A user on here said that she got her boric acid capsules formulated by a Pharmacist or Chemist with acidophilus and that helped replenish the lost bacteria. The capsule was formulated with 50% boric acid and 50% acidophilus. I think it was Mfc10, I'm not too sure. Maybe you can ask your local Chemist if that can be done. You'd be killing two birds with one stone. [/quote]


Yes, that was me...my gynecologist prescribed the 50:50 boric acid: powdered acidophilus capsules. He also had the compounding pharmacist use 300 mg. of boric acid instead of 600 mg. I wanted to try that amount after reading that it was effective in Europe at that dosage level. I also used FemDophilus orally & vaginally while using the boric acid.
I've taken the FemDophilus daily for 4 years now for maintenance, and pop one up in there a couple of times per month for good measure.
Cheers,
Maggie
melis19750
does boric acid work for bv? i thought it was only for yeast? At least thats what my OBGYN told me, she said boric acid generally doesnt work well for BV. But she did suggest vitamin D, pro biotics, and rephresh
swt simplicity
QUOTE(melis19750 @ Oct 12 2010, 11:54 AM) *
does boric acid work for bv? i thought it was only for yeast? At least thats what my OBGYN told me, she said boric acid generally doesnt work well for BV. But she did suggest vitamin D, pro biotics, and rephresh


Yeah, from what I heard, boric acid isn't widely accepted as a treatment for bacterial vaginosis. Dr. Stewart said in her book,

QUOTE
"Boric acid has a strong antibacterial action that can wipe out the hallmark over growth of BV. Unfortunately, for now this treatment involves sticking in a vaginal capsule (600mg) two to three times a week. If you stop, the BV may come back (pg 227, Chapter 11 - BV The Leading Cause of Vaginal Complaints)."


She goes on to say that her patients with "persistent" BV find the over the counter product Replens helpful since it is a vaginal acidifier that contains lactic acid ... lactic acid is naturally found in the vagina while acetic acid is not (pg 228 Chapter 11 - BV The Leading Cause of Vaginal Complaints)."

Boric acid is usually prescribed for yeast. I think it's not a treatment for bacterial vaginosis because it isn't proven to be that effective for treating bacterial vaginosis compared to the other treatments out there for bacterial vaginosis. Mfc10 luckily had it work for her.

How are you doing?
melis19750
Hi again
is it replens or rephresh that works for BV?
Im so confused...lol
my doctor wants me using RepHresh for a month.... once every 3 days
and than once a week

I think Im doing better
the smell is gone, discharge is gone

however- im still irritated down there
although my OBGYN said everything looks good

but the way it feels is the way it used to feel when GBS would over grow
hopefully not

however, the use of flagyll and metrogel in the past is what caused my GBS over growth
so Im hoping the tindamax didnt do that.


I just got a check up, and a culture/sensitivity, pap so Ill keep you posted

but yes the weird discharge and smell is gone

=)

BTW- i showed my OBGYN the balance activ (being this time i saw my GYn and not the nurse pract.) and she said... "you know what, this stuff is strong enough to do a chemical peel with, I would not suggest using that inside the vagina- use repHresh instead!"

so is replense better than repHresh???
melis19750
i dont see lactic acid listed under ingredients for replense

REPLENS is estrogen-free and non-irrating.
Ingredients: Purified water, glycerin, mineral oil, polycarbophil, carbomer 934P, hydrogenated palm oil glyceride, & sorbic acid.


here are the ingredients for RepHresh. I don't see lactic acid in any of these
Ingredients
purified water USP, glycerin, polycarbophil, carbomer 934P, ethylparaben, methylparaben, propylparaben, sodium salt.
swt simplicity
QUOTE(melis19750 @ Oct 12 2010, 03:49 PM) *
Hi again
is it replens or rephresh that works for BV?
Im so confused...lol
my doctor wants me using RepHresh for a month.... once every 3 days
and than once a week

I think Im doing better
the smell is gone, discharge is gone

however- im still irritated down there
although my OBGYN said everything looks good

but the way it feels is the way it used to feel when GBS would over grow
hopefully not

however, the use of flagyll and metrogel in the past is what caused my GBS over growth
so Im hoping the tindamax didnt do that.
I just got a check up, and a culture/sensitivity, pap so Ill keep you posted

but yes the weird discharge and smell is gone

=)

BTW- i showed my OBGYN the balance activ (being this time i saw my GYn and not the nurse pract.) and she said... "you know what, this stuff is strong enough to do a chemical peel with, I would not suggest using that inside the vagina- use repHresh instead!"

so is replense better than repHresh???


Well, according to Dr. Stewart, she said Replens works for bacterial vaginosis (source). If your gynecologist recommends that you use the RepHresh, then you should use that. Replens also has a lower pH of 2.8 rather than 4.5 for the RepHresh, but they both do the same job of maintaining the vaginal pH. There's a study that says vaginal gels improved signs of BV but not vaginal pH (here). I guess that translates to vaginal gels (specifically Replens) offer temporary relief for symptoms associated with an infection. I've only tried RepHresh and it didn't work for me. I didn't try the Replens so I wouldn't know how well it works.

Yeah, I noticed lactic acid isn't listed on the ingredients on the Replens too. I plan on asking about this.

I was actually browsing through the archives, back when a lot of women would talk about their vaginal health routines, having everything down to a schedule, and using a laundry list of products, and a lot of them incorporated a product called Renew Life Ultimate Flora Vaginal Formula (with a guaranteed 50 Billion live active cultures before expiration). Most of them took it along with their Fem-Dophilus and it worked for them. Yhey say this combination cured them. I've been reading reviews on it from various websites and it seems legit, but it's expensive. I like the fact that it has strains that are naturally found in the body. Have you tried it before?
melis19750
well
I went looking for boric acid, just to have in the house in case I ever get a YI and wanna treat it without anti fungal...
nobody sells it
so i bought it at amazon.com and the 00 gelatin capsules

i also got a pH balanced cleanser

and ordered the V-Book

I read what you quoted- great info

BTW- Im not so sure I like repHresh
its leaving me with white clumps in the discharge about 2-3 days after I used it
I know it will clear up- as its happened before with this
but ewwwww

and not only that, not so sure I like it... it doesnt seem to be helping

I know douching is not good
but I read that douching with H2o2 and purified water for 3 days and insterting fem-d is one of the fastest ways to help get rid of BV

Not sure if that works, but found a message board where tons of women are swearing by it.

anyhow who knows whats going on with me now. I think the BV is gone
but I may have something else... or the tindamax may not have worked- as i did use probiotics 3 hours before and after each dose... doctor said i may have lessened the effects (lets hope not)- but she did state it stays in my body for about 1 extra week.
or my vagina just may be irritated and need to be left alone

who knows im confused, but staying positive
=)
swt simplicity
Yeah, RepHresh didn't work for me when I used it. I'd like to think it made a difference when I used it but it didn't. Even if it did work, I personally feel like it would be a waste of time and money because of the fact that it only lasts for three days and the effects are short lived. And I think the gel is somewhat expensive for such a short term relief. I strive to look for a long term treatment or remedy that provides lasting effects, which is also one of the reasons why I don't bother with douching and such. Douching is so short lived and usually makes the situation worse. Most of the women that douche have to continously douche to maintain their "bv-free" status. I did douche at one point out of curiosity to see if it would help and it actually temporarily made things worse. The odor just got more intense, but it did get rid of the discharge as it was rinsing out the secretions. The discharge wasn't anything major though. Just yellowish and somewhat musty/sour milk smelling (which is apparently normal).

I'm kind of glad I douched because now I know that it doesn't help me and I won't ever try it again. Hydrogen peroxide kills all of the bacteria in it's path so the good bacteria will also perish. Douching should be a last resort (just like other short term remedies) if nothing works. Thankfully there are different ways someone can manage their symptoms. Just have to be creative. The best thing I did was avoid sugar like the plague. Even when I wasn't taking Fem-Dophilus or other probiotics, when ever I avoided sugar, my symtoms weren't as bad. But when I ate anything with sugar in it, especially anything high in sugar, it was like a chain reaction. I'm still trying to get answers about that. Avoiding sugar all the time is no fun. Sugar is in a lot of foods. Even when I eat too many bananas it has the same effect.

*I think those women that douche with hydrogen peroxide would be better off doing boric acid suppositories. Much safer, and less consequences.

I'm interested in Gillian McKeith's (she does a show on nutrition in the UK) approach to treating bacterial imbalances. I'm really into holistic approaches to treating problems like that. She says,

"Doctors generally prescribe antibiotics. However, there are many herbs with antibacterial properties, such as oregano, cloves, garlic, berberine, grapefruit seed extract, pau d'arco, cats claw and neem. These can be used to reduce the bad bacteria alongside probiotics to repopulate the gut with good bacteria."

I'd rather not pay to get inside details about her approach though. I'll try and look to see if anyone leaked the info.

I used to take a garlic supplement and it did help, but I stopped taking it out of convenience mellow.gif I know, that's a lame excuse.
melis19750
so when you had the "sour milk" smell and yellow discharge sweet-was it bv or yeast??
swt simplicity
I was diagnosed with non-albican yeast. She actually goes into detail about vaginal odors in her book. She says that women that are low acid producers tend to have more of a sour milk smelling discharge, while high acid producers tend to have a cheesy smelling discharge. The yellow discharge she said was normal depending on what day I'm on of my cycle. During one of my exam's she finally noticed the source of the odor was because of slight vaginal inflammation. Inflammation can upset the bacterial imbalance. That explained why the odor would vary from time to time. The inflammation could have been caused by the non-albican yeast being present, since vaginal inflammation is usually set off by an infection.
melis19750
good news/ bad news
sooo my vaginal cultures from my re-exam this Monday came in today- NEG for anything- no BV no YEAST- no GBS- no other abnormal bacteria (I thank tindamax and fem-d for that)

However- were still waiting on the culture/sensitivity test which also includes a pap smear-this one also tests for non albican yeast and the best treatment for it..hopefully its not there as my discharge seems clear
so if there is anything that the regular genital culture didn't pick up it will show there

the WEIRD thing is
Im still slightly irritated and a little itchy. discharge seems clearer...

Im wondering if the remaining irritation is from the balance activ that gave me a chemical burn almost 2 weeks ago

maybe i need to up my vitamin C a little to help with healing?

it doesnt LOOK inflamed or irritated as my GYn told me, but it feels it.... not too bad- but noticeable.
swt simplicity
I'm so happy for you! biggrin.gif

The whole time I was going in for pelvic exams, my vulvovaginal specialist didn't pick up on the inflammation until much much later. There are some natural anti-inflammatory things you can take that could help with the irritation and potential inflammation your experiencing. Essential fatty acids (EFA's) like omega's 3, 6, and 9 are good anti-inflammatories that helped me with my eczema (atopic dermatitis). It prevented my eczema flare ups by a lot. It's good to take a supplement that has all three since they all compliment each other. I took a cod liver oil supplement. I took it in liquid form and it made such a mess. The bottle got so greasy and sticky and it picked up lint, and it tasted like oil and smelled like cherries and sort of fishy. But other than that it got the job done. Next time I'll just purchase capsules. You can also try flaxseed oil too. Some debate whether fish oil or plant oils are better, they both have something the other doesn't but most say the fish oil is better.

You can take vitamin C to see if it helps. According to most research I've read, vitamin C has to be taken consistently for it to increase healing properties. And even still it only helps a little bit ... it decreases the duration of a common cold by like one day (if a cold lasts three days, you would only have it for two).
swt simplicity
*I also forgot to add, if you do consider buying any fish oil supplements, try your best to purchase the pharmaceutical grade fish oil. It's the highest quality for fish oil supplements.
melis19750
so guess what i think I figured it out
I read the V -book.. not all just some
I think I was "itchy" from KY jelly. there is an ingredient in it some women are allergic too. I was using KY sensitive to moisturize the area of the vulva after using balance activ

I also think my skin is still healing from the balance activ, I noticed it was sorta peeling in the area

all and all im feeling much better

-My naturopath tested my yeast/fungi leveles, and I have a significant amount intestinally, so Im doing a yeast free diet- taking enzymes, as well as a herbal tincture to help get my yeast balanced, and pro biotics/ fiber of course

im on track to a better me =)
swt simplicity
You must be really irritated to still be feeling symptoms weeks after you stopped the garlic suppositories and BalancActiv. How exactly would your Naturopath know if you have a yeast "overgrowth"? I know we all have yeast in our bodies but I'm curious to know what testing was done for this diagnosis. I'm on the yeast-free diet and it works for me. The diet suggests taking Nystatin, which I don't do and a bunch of other things ... I don't follow everything in the book but I'm on it for the most part.
melis19750
he tests levels via blood/ urine
quite hard to explain

But hes good... he has been treating me naturally for years for things and everything he does works

as for itching
it wasnt from garlic
it was from the balance activ
as I mentioned- it gave me a checmical burn, my skin was healing
I was usuaing KY jelly to moisturize- and after reading the V book
she mentions KY jelly actually has an ingredient many people are allergic too and cause irritation and itching

Im goof now
no discharge, no more itching- or irritation
if anything its mild and almost un-noticable now
melis19750
sweet- curious when you were diagnosed with non albican yeast did you have cultures done? did the cultures show anything??

I still have this mild but stringy white discharge (looks kinda like when you blow your nose)
and my cultures keep coming back negative
swt simplicity
I was swabbed and my vulvovaginal specialist cultured the samples in a special broth called sabouraud's broth. My cultures tested positive for a non-albican yeast called c.parapsilosis. I was constantly cultured with each appointment but my tests were positive for non-albican yeast only on two occasions. The discharge your experiencing could possibly be because your ovulating. You should mention that to your gynecologist if you haven't already.

I always thought intestinal diagnosis' usually required a stool sample ...
melis19750
yes intestinal Dx do require a stool sample- that is from traditional medicine

Its a bit different with homeopathic/ naturopathic medicine

well good news is all my cultures are now in
my pap is normal
both cultures- the routine genital culture
and the special culture/ sensitivity test are normal


so..it prob just is ovulation =)

i only noticed it when i did a "finger swab"
the discharge comes out clear otherwise, or stains my panties a slight yellow color
so its prob just normal

guess its hard to not be paranoid sometimes -especially when dealing with irritation that just resolved or comes and goes
=)
swt simplicity
Melis, what kind of herbal tincture and enzymes are you using? And how is the tincture being used? Does your Naturopath prescribe these supplements to you or do you buy them yourself? Sorry for asking so many nosy questions, but I've always been curious about natural medicine.
melis19750
=)
ask away
well I was using Candi gone
http://www.naturalchoicecenter.ca/userfile...e/CandiGone.pdf

it's a candida cleanse. But apparently it was taking too long
so my naturopath whos also a chemist/ herbalist makes a lot of his own suppliments-etc....
he made a stronger version of the Candi Gone

Candi Gone works great but its mild, so most people need to use it 2-3 times (2-3 months)

and than Im also using Candex -which is an enzyme that breaks down the cell wall of fungi
=)

its def working
the white coating on my tongue is disappearing
swt simplicity
I've also experienced a white coating on my tongue too and I've been told it's not yeast. I had a culture done on it and my general practitioner told me it was because of inflammation. But maybe the inflammation is a result of a yeast over growth in my body. I know it gets worse when I eat certain things. I've read the Yeast Connection and that is a very typical reaction of someone that does have yeast overgrowth. Most doctors these days just stick to what they know and that kind of leaves a lot of patients in the dark. So the whole "yeast theory" isn't something that's widely excepted as something that is a real problem for what ever reason. And it kind of leaves me feeling confused wondering what's causing the tongue coating. It doesn't look like thrush, but just a white coating on my tongue. Even though I brush my teeth and my tongue twice a day, it comes back sometimes.

When I use probiotics it seems to help the coating. I still eat white bread on a regular basis which I probably shouldn't since it contains yeast. And once a week I like to indulge in a nice cup of hot coffee with cream and sugar, no more than a teaspoon full though which really isn't much. Other than that, my daily diet is pretty "clean." I don't want to get way into that yeast diet because I'll probably go crazy having to eat wicked healthy all the time. I'm going to try taking digestive enzymes since it's mentioned in the yeast connection as a good may to get rid of yeast.

I always wonder if it's yeast overgrowth that is causing the inflammation in my body (eczema, tongue coating, allergies) or if it's just something that just happens, something that is just a part of me. But then I try things that work and it's like hmmm ... maybe there is something that's flying under the radar after all. Something that is going unchecked by doctors or just being brushed off as something we all have to live with.
jularee
Hi everyone! I just wanted to share a bit of hopeful news about the probiotics I've been taking. I had been taking Fem-D religiously for several months with good results buuuut lo and behold I ran out and iherb.com was sold out. They are the only ones I trust with shipping because they send them with ice packs.

Somehow I managed to stumble upon Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. Since I had some tummy issues going on as well, I figured it wouldn't hurt to give them a try. After a bit of research, I found out that these probiotics are supposedly made by an award winning microbiologist and are made over a 5 year fermentation process and do not need to be refrigerated. I figured I would give them a try...even though they are a bit expensive.

I've been taking them for a little over a week now.. One pill on an empty stomach twice a day. I can honestly say that they are working very well! As far as my vag issues, everything seems great! No abnormal discharge, no foul smell. I'm so happy! My digestion has been a lot better also.

I'll keep you ladies updated on my progress! biggrin.gif
melis19750
hey everyone!

so I was still having "discharge" and some irritation
I sought out a vulvar vaginal specialist in my area, I think I found a good one... Although I LOVE my reg OBGYN- she now added procedures like botox in her office, which makes it impossible to get in to see her.

anyhow here is what he said found/

did a few swabs
checked ph- ph is NORMAL- at a 4

looked under microscope- everything is NORMAL, no clue cells... nothing abnormal except for a LACK OF LACTOBACILLI


also did whiff/ koh test and all neg

no yeast buds

so he is having me use a vaginal estrogen cream (although Im only 34) a few times a week for a week or 2 to help ease my vaginal tissue, and hopes to help promote the lactobacillis growth to return

my question is
what do you think?
would'nt it be better to just maybe use fem-dophilus vaginally for a week or so??

its pretty confusing to me

I asked him his thoughts on using fem-d vaginally and orally and he said- it cant hurt but things the estrogen cream would be better

HELP- your thoughts please

thanks

swt simplicity
QUOTE(melis19750 @ Nov 3 2010, 04:34 PM) *
hey everyone!

so I was still having "discharge" and some irritation
I sought out a vulvar vaginal specialist in my area, I think I found a good one... Although I LOVE my reg OBGYN- she now added procedures like botox in her office, which makes it impossible to get in to see her.

anyhow here is what he said found/

did a few swabs
checked ph- ph is NORMAL- at a 4

looked under microscope- everything is NORMAL, no clue cells... nothing abnormal except for a LACK OF LACTOBACILLI
also did whiff/ koh test and all neg

no yeast buds

so he is having me use a vaginal estrogen cream (although Im only 34) a few times a week for a week or 2 to help ease my vaginal tissue, and hopes to help promote the lactobacillis growth to return

my question is
what do you think?
would'nt it be better to just maybe use fem-dophilus vaginally for a week or so??

its pretty confusing to me

I asked him his thoughts on using fem-d vaginally and orally and he said- it cant hurt but things the estrogen cream would be better

HELP- your thoughts please

thanks

Personally, I'd rather not use the estrogen cream because from what I know estrogen creams aren't typically used for your circumstance. It's normally used for vaginal dryness and women that are going through menopause that really do need the estrogen to help the vagina maintain the lubrication that it needs and provide more comfort. I'm concerned that you might not need the extra estrogen and you can suffer side effects. Keep in mind yeast feeds off of estrogen which is why little girls don't suffer from yeast infections. So that extra estrogen could possibly cause somewhat of an imbalance. You want to carefully think about this before you go forward with it. Maybe he will have you on a mild estrogen cream?

Using the Fem-Dophilus vaginally can be tricky since the capsules (I don't think) are formulated for vaginal use. You would have to figure out how you would be inserting them and with what. I wonder if it's the antibiotic use that caused the lack of lactobacillius. Have you considered possibly giving your body time to adjust and maybe if your results are the same then you can go forward with another treatment? You don't want to jump into something too soon and have it backfire.
clarity95
Hi everyone,

So I went to the doc after feeling very uncomfortable after my last few periods and was diagnosed with BV. I took 5 days of metrogel and now a month later I have full blown BV: grey discharge, fishy odor, this REALLY sucks it is nothing like what I had before... I'm going in again Friday but Im worried more antibiotics will not help.

What should I do?!!?
swt simplicity
QUOTE(clarity95 @ Nov 10 2010, 04:11 AM) *
Hi everyone,

So I went to the doc after feeling very uncomfortable after my last few periods and was diagnosed with BV. I took 5 days of metrogel and now a month later I have full blown BV: grey discharge, fishy odor, this REALLY sucks it is nothing like what I had before... I'm going in again Friday but Im worried more antibiotics will not help.

What should I do?!!?


Clarity95, I suggest you take probiotics with your antibiotics. More specifically Fem-Dophilus a couple of hours after you take your antibiotic. It would be great if you would start taking it sooner rather than later so the probiotic has time to colonize and take effect before your course of antibiotics begins. Clinical trials show antibiotics taken with probiotics specifically for bacterial vaginosis results in a higher success rate with fewer recurrences of bacterial vaginosis afterwards. You should continue taking the Fem-Dophilus for a couple of months after your round of antibiotics. Some women just keep taking it everyday for maintenance.

I also personally advise that you eat little to no sugar and refined carbohydrates and more prebiotic foods like kefir, plain yogurt (with no added sugar), fresh fruits and vegetables and less meat since the Western (American) Diet is what's causing so many people to become more prone to a lot of degenerative diseases and infections. Studies show women are more likely to develop infections, yeast infections in particular if their not eating a balanced diet. Diets high in sugar actually decrease your white blood cell count temporarily resulting in a temporarily impaired immune system thus giving way to infections and potentially something more serious like cancer. It's just basically important to eat a healthy diet to protect your health and wellbeing, and also to prevent the infection from "flaring up" again as it does for some women.

I also suggest you read Dr. Stewarts book on vaginal health. She has a wealth of knowledge about every vaginal disease and infection out there since she is a vulvovaginal specialist with decades of experience. That is kind of like a bible for vaginal health for most women.

Links:
1. Oral use of Lactobacillus rhamnosus GR-1 and L. fermentum RC-14 significantly alters vaginal flora: randomized, placebo-controlled trial in 64 healthy women.
2. Healthy Habits: Cut Back on Refined Sugars

Good luck at your next appointment, I keeping my fingers crossed for you!
swt simplicity
QUOTE(clarity95 @ Nov 10 2010, 04:11 AM) *
Hi everyone,

So I went to the doc after feeling very uncomfortable after my last few periods and was diagnosed with BV. I took 5 days of metrogel and now a month later I have full blown BV: grey discharge, fishy odor, this REALLY sucks it is nothing like what I had before... I'm going in again Friday but Im worried more antibiotics will not help.

What should I do?!!?


Clarity95, I suggest you take probiotics with your antibiotics. More specifically Fem-Dophilus a couple of hours after you take your antibiotic. It would be great if you would start taking it sooner rather than later so the probiotic has time to colonize and take effect before your course of antibiotics begins. Clinical trials show antibiotics taken with probiotics specifically for bacterial vaginosis results in a higher success rate with fewer recurrences of bacterial vaginosis afterwards. You should continue taking the Fem-Dophilus for a couple of months after your round of antibiotics. Some women just keep taking it everyday for maintenance.

I also personally advise that you eat little to no sugar and refined carbohydrates and more prebiotic foods like kefir, plain yogurt (with no added sugar), fresh fruits and vegetables and less meat since the Western (American) Diet is what's causing so many people to become more prone to a lot of degenerative diseases and infections. Studies show women are more likely to develop infections, yeast infections in particular if their not eating a balanced diet. Diets high in sugar actually decrease your white blood cell count temporarily resulting in a temporarily impaired immune system thus giving way to infections and potentially something more serious like cancer. It's just basically important to eat a healthy diet to protect your health and wellbeing, and also to prevent the infection from "flaring up" again as it does for some women.

I also suggest you read Dr. Stewarts book on vaginal health. She has a wealth of knowledge about every vaginal disease and infection out there since she is a vulvovaginal specialist with decades of experience. That is kind of like a bible for vaginal health for most women.

Links:
1. Oral use of Lactobacillus rhamnosus GR-1 and L. fermentum RC-14 significantly alters vaginal flora: randomized, placebo-controlled trial in 64 healthy women.
2. Healthy Habits: Cut Back on Refined Sugars

Good luck at your next appointment, I keeping my fingers crossed for you!
pomegranate
The boric acid I bought from Amazon arrived this morning and I have spent the afternoon making capsules. I'm really excited to see if it knocks out my BV, but since it's poisonous if taken internally...how long do I have to wait before my BF can go down on me?
clarity95
Thanks for the reply, I saw the doc yesterday and she confirmed bv is back. She perscribed tindamax and also boric acid inserts. Obviously no sex during or a week after treatment. I couldn't even imagine getting oral sex while having this infection...

I am drinking kefir and eating yogurt, and taking vitamins, still no improvement after one day of tindamax but I havent gottent he boric acid so well see if that helps.



QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Nov 11 2010, 08:53 AM) *
Clarity95, I suggest you take probiotics with your antibiotics. More specifically Fem-Dophilus a couple of hours after you take your antibiotic. It would be great if you would start taking it sooner rather than later so the probiotic has time to colonize and take effect before your course of antibiotics begins. Clinical trials show antibiotics taken with probiotics specifically for bacterial vaginosis results in a higher success rate with fewer recurrences of bacterial vaginosis afterwards. You should continue taking the Fem-Dophilus for a couple of months after your round of antibiotics. Some women just keep taking it everyday for maintenance.

I also personally advise that you eat little to no sugar and refined carbohydrates and more prebiotic foods like kefir, plain yogurt (with no added sugar), fresh fruits and vegetables and less meat since the Western (American) Diet is what's causing so many people to become more prone to a lot of degenerative diseases and infections. Studies show women are more likely to develop infections, yeast infections in particular if their not eating a balanced diet. Diets high in sugar actually decrease your white blood cell count temporarily resulting in a temporarily impaired immune system thus giving way to infections and potentially something more serious like cancer. It's just basically important to eat a healthy diet to protect your health and wellbeing, and also to prevent the infection from "flaring up" again as it does for some women.

I also suggest you read Dr. Stewarts book on vaginal health. She has a wealth of knowledge about every vaginal disease and infection out there since she is a vulvovaginal specialist with decades of experience. That is kind of like a bible for vaginal health for most women.

Links:
1. Oral use of Lactobacillus rhamnosus GR-1 and L. fermentum RC-14 significantly alters vaginal flora: randomized, placebo-controlled trial in 64 healthy women.
2. Healthy Habits: Cut Back on Refined Sugars

Good luck at your next appointment, I keeping my fingers crossed for you!

pomegranate
QUOTE(clarity95 @ Nov 13 2010, 05:53 PM) *
Obviously no sex during or a week after treatment. I couldn't even imagine getting oral sex while having this infection...


Hahaha, thanks. I realized after I replied to the thread that I'd sounded a bit trollish (hell of a first post!), but the thing is I can't imagine any kind of sex while the BV controls my vagina like Vichy France or something. It's just been weeks since I first noticed the infection, was able to get in to see my gyno, used metrogel, had the briefest of reprieves until my period started and the BV returned, went back to the gyno to discuss the boric acid I learned about via Google, had to buy it on Amazon because the local pharmacies couldn't even order it for me, and spent yesterday afternoon Martha Stewarting a remedy for my infected vagina.

There have been a lot of blow jobs, I'm just very eager to start getting mine again smile.gif
swt simplicity
Pomegranate & Clarity: How are your partners handling your bacterial vaginosis diagnosis'?
pomegranate
I have to admit I wasn't entirely honest about it with my BF. I told him it was a yeast infection since that sounded less gross :/

The boric acid was a huge success, though. It was very effective and worked so quickly -- the symptoms were gone within days but I kept using the suppositories just to be sure.
swt simplicity
QUOTE(pomegranate @ Nov 23 2010, 09:59 PM) *
I have to admit I wasn't entirely honest about it with my BF. I told him it was a yeast infection since that sounded less gross :/

The boric acid was a huge success, though. It was very effective and worked so quickly -- the symptoms were gone within days but I kept using the suppositories just to be sure.


I can understand why your embarrassed and ashamed to tell your boyfriend that you have bacterial vaginosis. But you shouldn't feel ashamed since millions of women are in the same situation every year even though no one talks about it. Talking about it will dispel embarrassment. And a lot of men are so misinformed about vaginal issues and think it's because a women isn't "clean" or has an STD of some kind that she would have a vaginal infection, discharge, itching, or odor.

The thing about the boric acid is, for bacterial vaginosis, it doesn't cure the infection, it just clears up the major symptoms for the time being which is why you'll notice that you need to keep doing the suppositories for you to get some relief. Once you stop the suppositories, the bacterial vaginosis comes back. Mfc10 got her boric acid capsules formulated with acidophilus, 50% acidophilus and 50% boric acid and that worked for her. So, if the straight boric acid doesn't work, at least you can try something else.

How long have you been doing the suppositories?
kelebek
Hello Everyone,

I'm new here... well I've been reading posts for a while, but just haven't written myself. Since I don't have any friends who share my pain, it's nice to have someplace to communicate problems.

I actually live in Turkey, so there are a few things that are not available to me and a lot of things that are - like antibiotics. We don't need prescriptions here, but also can't get things like Tindamax orally, just vaginally.

I have had BV twice in the past and it has never been this out of control. It started when I started dating my current boyfriend. I was diagnosed with a bladder infection, given cypro because I thought that was the problem, although I knew better. I was also diagnosed with a yeast infection but it turns out, it wasn't. They send results to a lab where it generally takes three days to get the results and so the doctor just says what it looks like. After reading the V book, I've realized that this is an issue.

I went home for the summer, started taking probiotics and everything was fine until I came back and had sex with my boyfriend. I was treated with flagyl - a one day dose - and then clydamycin cream for 7 days, but then maybe I didn't wait long enough to have sex and it came back. What is the recommendation for that? I asked my doctor, but they never really give me an exact time and sometimes there is also a language barrier. Anyway, it came back. I tried flagyl again and it didn't work. Then I went back to the doctor and she tested me for mycoplasma hominis and ureaplasma urealyticum (I think that was the other one) and I tested positive, so I took azithro and so did my boyfriend. I think at the time I also have BV, but she just treated me with the azithro. I'm not reallly sure if that's possible, but after doing some research it seems like the one can cause the other. I'm not sure. I used tea tree suppositories, which I think are the worst and I wouldn't recommend them. I woke up one morning after using them for five days with a bladder infection and what my doctor said was a yeast infection, although I think it was BV. So I was treated for another yeast infection and a bladder infection, but the pain was still present. She said the other bacteria had cleared up, but then only tested for a bladder infection and the tea tree oil made it difficult to read the results.

I hadn't been sexually active for about a month, which is okay because my boyfriend just wants me to be healthy. I took probiotics for a week and the pain went away, but knew something was still there, so I told my doctor that I thought I still have BV. She prescribed Biteral vaginal suppositories that I think you can only get here. It's a three day treatment and it sort of worked, but then I did have sex with my boyfriend and I can feel it coming back. I've recently given him probiotics to take. Does anyone know if that will help? We also usually use condoms, but sometimes I feel that they might also be the problem.

Giving up coffee has seemed to help a little and sugar definitely makes a difference, especially wine. I'm not very convinced about natural treatments because they seem to do more damage than good; however, I did order two bottles of yin care and I'm curious about it, but I'm also nervous to try it. Does anyone have any experience? I just really hate taking oral antibiotics. I've never had to take this many in such a short period of time and I think that's one of the causes of this problem.

The other question is, doctors here seem to be more keen about vaginal creams than oral drugs. Does that make a difference? In the past I took flagyl and it cleared up until I started dating someone else, now it's crazy, so I don't really want to take anymore oral antibiotics, but is there really an alternative. I try to do only what she recommends, but since it seems to be an endless cycle, I'm wondering what is the best method. Is flagyl taken orally the best cure if taken with probiotics? Also, is there any recommendation to prevent yeast infections or how long to wait until becoming sexually active again?


My doctor is really sweet, but I don't think she really understands what I'm dealing with. In some ways they're more thorough, but in other ways it seems like they're not as current. I've realized that BV is becoming more prevalent and therefore a lot more products are now available, which is interesting, so I'm hoping they find a better solution soon. The downfall is some products I can't get here, like the Vh essentials, but who knows if they really work.

Sorry for ranting, but it's just nice to express what I'm dealing with when no one else really understands. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

swt simplicity
Kelebek,

Is there a Vulvo-vaginal specialist or Pelvic Specialist you can contact in Turkey? I'd like to think there would be one in your area since you'll probably need to see one at some point if things don't work out. Most doctors prescribe vaginal suppositories because they're a lot less harmful than oral antibiotics, but if the suppositories aren't effective then an oral antibiotic would be used. Ever since there was a scare about antibiotics building resistance, most doctors have now been told to only prescribe them on a "need-to" basis, not "willy-nilly." I don't know if the same protocol is being used in Turkey. It helps to know if the antibiotics you've been on are broad-spectrum or narrow-spectrum too. Broad spectrum antibiotics tend to be more harmful since they kill a broader spectrum of bacteria, not just the bad bacteria, but some good bacteria as well. If you want to have a good idea about the effectiveness of antibiotics compared to others, reading clinical trials helps. Yes, do take a probiotic two hours after taking an antibiotic. Do you have access to Fem-Dophilus or RepHresh Pro-B? I think it's sold in Asia, maybe you can have it shipped? RepHresh Pro-B is freeze dried and you won't have to worry about it perishing. Maybe you can purchase it online. I'm not sure what to recommend to you since you live in Turkey. Flagyl with a probiotic, specifically Fem-Dophilus has been pretty effective in the clinical trials, including for the women that have taken a combination of those on this forum. What probiotic have you been taking?

Even if you don't have access to the same products that people in the U.S. have access to, there are still some products that are sold in other parts of the world that outperform the products we have here in the U.S. It's just a matter of finding them.

The Yin Care ... an herbal wash. Personally, I've tried washes in the past. They've left me feeling really clean and fresh throughout the day and that's about it. I don't know if that herbal wash will do much for you. I hope the herbs in it are safe. I hope the formula is pH balanced. Some herbs can be potentially dangerous actually. And, some companies try to market their products to a wider audience so it can sell better. It doesn't seem like there is any reassurance on the website that it will work and do what it says. It actually says that it helps with S.T.D's in the description, that sounds kinda shady. Your better off just using a plain mild pH balanced soap, it's gentle, gets the job done, and is a lot more accessible.

If your boyfriend takes probiotics, it will be good for him in the long run. I don't think I've ever heard of probiotics working on men in the urethra though. It might work. Do the condoms you use contain spermicide? Sometimes that is the problem. Spermicide effects the feminine pH and micro flora big time, so do some lubricants, jellies, inserted devices and so on. An idea of mine is that cranberry juice will work better for him since cranberry juice prevents U.T.I's and the male penis isn't the same as the female vaginal tract ... just an idea.

Normally, it's recommended that you wait that the infection clears up before you become sexually active again, or until your course of treatment is over and you've been cleared of the infection by your gynecologist. This also prevents the infection from spreading from person to person. Keep in mind, the male sexual organs are anatomically different, the female vagina can kind of serve as an incubator for bacteria, which it does, but if the flora isn't balanced then it will be obvious in time. Some doctors believe that men don't carry the bacteria that causes bacterial vaginosis, but Dr. Stewart does mention in her book that some men have "killer sperm" while others don't and using a condom easily solves the problem.

swt simplicity
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kelebek
Thanks Swt Simplicity. That was nice of you to reply and I think your blog is also pretty interesting.

I've taken several different kinds of antibiotics. I actually bought a large supply of femdophilus before I came back from the summer, but didn't realize that it needed to be kept cold. I still use it though, and it seems to work okay for now. I'm going to try Rephresh proB if it's similar. I've also tried Dr. Murray's formula for women and the 12/12 product. I thought those worked well and actually, when I first went home for the summer, I used the 12/12 formula and felt fine after a few days, but now realize the bacteria was still present.

My doctor usually tells me to wait until the symptoms come back to make another appointment. When I have a chance this weekend, I'm going to look for another gynecologist at another hospital and then maybe ask about a pelvic specialist. I was thinking of trying the Biteral again after I read this:

http://www.biomedsearch.com/nih/Treatment-...al/9722127.html

I'm not sure, though. I seems that this report stated that using both the vaginal formula and oral formula had a greater success rate. I'm also taking Dr. Ohhira's essential formal, cranberry and vitamin C and then multi-vitamins that my doctor recommended. My doctor recommended Vagi-C, but every pharmacy I visit does not have it.

It's very interesting here. I email my doctor and tell her I think I have BV and then she gives me some options that I could try. If this doesn't work, I'm going to look for someone else.

The Yin Care was a waste of money and I agree with you about that, so I've still cut out coffee, sugar and foods that are high in saturated fat - olive oil is sort of unavoidable here - until I feel better or find a different doctor. I'm also going to look for rephresh prob.

I try to just stay positive because that's really the only option. Thanks again for the advice and please keep updating your blog. It's really helpful.

Kelebek
kelebek
Well. Here's the information about Vagi-C. I hope I can find it at a pharmacy here in Turkey.

http://www.polichem.com/jahia/Jahia/home/s...0/cache/offonce
kelebek
I also just found this article and wondered if anyone had any thoughts:

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/famil...-vaginosis.html
swt simplicity
The Vagi-C is a ascorbic acid (vitamin C) suppository? Is the Vagi-C an over the counter option in Turkey or more of a homeopathic remedy?

Yes, the RepHresh Pro-B contains the exact same strains of bacteria as Fem-Dophilus. People seem to prefer the Fem-Dophilus since it's not freeze-dried. I personally don't like refrigerated probiotics though since I worry if any of the bacteria have died, if my refrigerator is cold enough, if my refrigerator is too cold ... etc. With freeze-dried probiotics just as long as you keep it in a cool dry place, it's A-OK. It's the only probiotic besides Fem-Dophilus that has the same patented strains created by the man (Dr. Gregor Reid) that isolated the strains of bacteria that are beneficial for vaginal health. Fem-Dophilus and RepHresh Pro-B probably go by other names in Europe since the maker is from Denmark I'm pretty sure there are other versions of this product distributed throughout Europe, I'm not sure about Asia though.

As a result of the fact that I have a number of different health issues going on such as, eczema, allergies, food sensitivites, vaginal issues, inflammation I've made my diet mostly plant based, and cut out meat and diary products entirely. Meat isn't very healthy, or not as healthy as I thought it was. There were just so many factors that play into the quality of meat I just didn't find it to be worth eating anymore. I've read some really disturbing information about meat, and how it putifies in the intestines especially if it hasn't digested properly and the health problems it can cause ...

About the birth control article, I've actually heard of women saying after they got off of birth control they developed bacterial vaginosis, and then there were still women that were on birth control and still had reoccuring infections. There are so many elements as to why a woman can develop bacterial vaginosis and have reoccurances. So I kind of take the research in that article with a grain of salt and brush it off. I feel too much is at stake taking birth control since it carries (too) many side effects. Women will complain of contantly developing yeast infections on the birth control pill since sometimes it causes hormone fluctuations (like estrogen which feeds yeast) and fighting the yeast can lead to developing bacterial vaginosis. Like that article said, don't take birth control pills mainly for the sake of trying to treat or prevent bacterial vaginosis. It seems like either way, you'll develop bacterial vaginosis regardless because of something else.

It's great that your encouraging me to update my blog, it kind of feels like I'm blogging for myself sometimes and no one else since I don't get that many responses blink.gif

Kelebek, if you don't mind me asking, what are you doing in Turkey?
kelebek
QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Dec 2 2010, 02:17 PM) *
The Vagi-C is a ascorbic acid (vitamin C) suppository? Is the Vagi-C an over the counter option in Turkey or more of a homeopathic remedy?

Yes, the RepHresh Pro-B contains the exact same strains of bacteria as Fem-Dophilus. People seem to prefer the Fem-Dophilus since it's not freeze-dried. I personally don't like refrigerated probiotics though since I worry if any of the bacteria have died, if my refrigerator is cold enough, if my refrigerator is too cold ... etc. With freeze-dried probiotics just as long as you keep it in a cool dry place, it's A-OK. It's the only probiotic besides Fem-Dophilus that has the same patented strains created by the man (Dr. Gregor Reid) that isolated the strains of bacteria that are beneficial for vaginal health. Fem-Dophilus and RepHresh Pro-B probably go by other names in Europe since the maker is from Denmark I'm pretty sure there are other versions of this product distributed throughout Europe, I'm not sure about Asia though.

As a result of the fact that I have a number of different health issues going on such as, eczema, allergies, food sensitivites, vaginal issues, inflammation I've made my diet mostly plant based, and cut out meat and diary products entirely. Meat isn't very healthy, or not as healthy as I thought it was. There were just so many factors that play into the quality of meat I just didn't find it to be worth eating anymore. I've read some really disturbing information about meat, and how it putifies in the intestines especially if it hasn't digested properly and the health problems it can cause ...

About the birth control article, I've actually heard of women saying after they got off of birth control they developed bacterial vaginosis, and then there were still women that were on birth control and still had reoccuring infections. There are so many elements as to why a woman can develop bacterial vaginosis and have reoccurances. So I kind of take the research in that article with a grain of salt and brush it off. I feel too much is at stake taking birth control since it carries (too) many side effects. Women will complain of contantly developing yeast infections on the birth control pill since sometimes it causes hormone fluctuations (like estrogen which feeds yeast) and fighting the yeast can lead to developing bacterial vaginosis. Like that article said, don't take birth control pills mainly for the sake of trying to treat or prevent bacterial vaginosis. It seems like either way, you'll develop bacterial vaginosis regardless because of something else.

It's great that your encouraging me to update my blog, it kind of feels like I'm blogging for myself sometimes and no one else since I don't get that many responses blink.gif

Kelebek, if you don't mind me asking, what are you doing in Turkey?

kelebek
My doctor recommended it to me when I went at the beginning of the year. She said that I could use it after my period for six days and get it at a pharmacy. I wasn't really sure what she was talking about at first because she said she wanted me to use it instead of the probiotics, but I had sort of stocked up at home on Fem-D - not knowing that it needed to be kept cold - and so I wanted to use what I had bought. I also tried to find it as several pharmacies and was unsuccessful, so I just sort of gave up. Well, I found it and I tried it last night. I just ended my period. I felt a little bit better this morning, so we'll see how it goes. I'm not really sure. I've decided to stay away from natural products , especially tea tree oil, because that made it worst.

They also have something called gynoflor here that is supposed to be good to use after a treatment to prevent it from coming back. I've also had it recommended by my first gynecologist after she thought I had a yeast infection, but I didn't really understand why I had to use two different vaginal products (yeast medication and gynoflor) and a flucan pill to get rid of a yeast infection and she didn't really speak English that well. I'm still searching for a new doctor, so I'm going to find out more information about it. It's hard to find someone who is a specialist and who speaks English, but I'm determined to find someone who can answer all of my questions and help resolve this situation.

I ordered Rephresh Pro-b from the states. I'm not sure how long it will take to get here. I'm hoping soon. I wish I had found this blog when I went home for the summer because the health food store didn't tell me that FEm-D had to be kept cold. I'm looking forward to it arriving.

I also decided to stay off of Birth control because I've always hated it and I don't mind using condoms. I have melasma that I think was caused by the birth control. Maybe it's all related. I don't know.

I wish, though, that they could send this message board and others that exist to researchers so that they could figure out why this happens in some women. When it gets bad, it's very miserable.

I teach at a Turkish private school here. I teach high school English literature and language, so when the pain is bad, it's pretty hard to function in the classroom, but I'm sure it's hard for everyone to function in their daily lives.


Well, I'll keep posting. It is very nice to have this board and it's really amazing how many women are completely unaware of this problem until it becomes a daily nightmare. Maybe along with scaring us about STDs in schools they should also scare us about BV.
Pianofreak531
Hey everyone,
I'm not entirely sure if this is the best place for me to post this but I figure I'll give it a shot anyway (it seems most of you understand that desperate, "I'll do just about anything" feeling).
I'm 18 years old, and I've been struggling with BV for as long as I've been sexually active--about 3 years. This was over three sexual partners who were clean, we used condoms every time, with me peeing before and after sex, wearing cotton underwear, and wiping things down afterward (what a pain!). When I didn't have sex it would go away, but as soon as I had sex again, especially oral sex, it would pop right back up with intense vaginal burning, watery discharge, lower abdominal pain and back stiffness (no fishy odor--I seemed to get lucky there). The tell-tale sign for me was the smell of my pee, which would get a very strange infected smell. Sometimes this would precede all the other symptoms. Usually it would clear with an OTC yeast infection treatment and drinking excessive amounts of water for a few days, but lo, as soon as I had sex it would return.
At first, I never went to the doctor because I was young and embarrassed (telling my mother meant spilling the beans that I was sexually active at 15...not usually an easy topic). However, each incidence of this "mystery infection" seemed increasingly more painful than the last, and by the time I turned 18 I was in too much pain to keep quiet; meanwhile, the OTC yeast treatments were no longer working. I went to an urgent care doctor and she did a vaginal exam, as well as a urinalysis and found I had a bladder infection and BV, and, what do you know? No yeast. I began a 3-day round of Ciprofloxacin for the bladder and Metro gel for the BV. I also began taking Rephresh Pro-B supplements and Cranberry Vit C supplements.
It seems like it would be a happy ending, but not quite so. As soon as I finished the Cipro, the burning returned at intervals--this time, with a yellow discharge. I have an appointment the gyno set up, but it's so difficult to get in to see her so it's a month away.

My question for you lovely ladies is, do you have any suggestions to keep the burning at bay until I am able to see the gyno?

My poor, sweet boyfriend has been so understanding, but I'd like to be able to have sex without fear of becoming ill afterward, especially with something as miserable as BV. I really feel like I should give him an award for being so kind about it. Ha ha.
lapis
Hi piano,
Just curious--are you using spermicidal and or latex condoms? Have you tried switching them out? Sometimes spermicide or latex can irritate. Also, maybe you should go somewhere like planned parenthood, which can get you in quickly and is really suited to teens' needs? Bladder infections can ascend into kidney infections, and I don't think you should wait if you suspect you have one (kidney infections are terrible).
Pianofreak531
QUOTE(lapis @ Dec 9 2010, 08:48 PM) *
Hi piano,
Just curious--are you using spermicidal and or latex condoms? Have you tried switching them out? Sometimes spermicide or latex can irritate. Also, maybe you should go somewhere like planned parenthood, which can get you in quickly and is really suited to teens' needs? Bladder infections can ascend into kidney infections, and I don't think you should wait if you suspect you have one (kidney infections are terrible).


Yes, for all three partners I used latex condoms--all types, some with fancy tingly lubricant (= irritation), others with basic lubricant, some with no lubricant at all (= massive irritation)--all types. I haven't tried the lambskin ones. I'll have to try that once I'm feeling well enough and see if that makes a difference.
On another note, I did phone the doctor that originally saw me at the urgent care clinic, and I'm probably going to see her again if it doesn't entirely clear up in the next few days. The bladder symptoms seem to have gone with the round of Cipro--it's mainly the BV burning that is my concern at this point, as it comes and goes and is unpleasant.
lapis
Well, lambskin might not be the next to try--maybe polyurethane or Skyn condoms.
swt simplicity
QUOTE(kelebek @ Dec 5 2010, 02:24 PM) *
My doctor recommended it to me when I went at the beginning of the year. She said that I could use it after my period for six days and get it at a pharmacy. I wasn't really sure what she was talking about at first because she said she wanted me to use it instead of the probiotics, but I had sort of stocked up at home on Fem-D - not knowing that it needed to be kept cold - and so I wanted to use what I had bought. I also tried to find it as several pharmacies and was unsuccessful, so I just sort of gave up. Well, I found it and I tried it last night. I just ended my period. I felt a little bit better this morning, so we'll see how it goes. I'm not really sure. I've decided to stay away from natural products , especially tea tree oil, because that made it worst.

They also have something called gynoflor here that is supposed to be good to use after a treatment to prevent it from coming back. I've also had it recommended by my first gynecologist after she thought I had a yeast infection, but I didn't really understand why I had to use two different vaginal products (yeast medication and gynoflor) and a flucan pill to get rid of a yeast infection and she didn't really speak English that well. I'm still searching for a new doctor, so I'm going to find out more information about it. It's hard to find someone who is a specialist and who speaks English, but I'm determined to find someone who can answer all of my questions and help resolve this situation.

I ordered Rephresh Pro-b from the states. I'm not sure how long it will take to get here. I'm hoping soon. I wish I had found this blog when I went home for the summer because the health food store didn't tell me that FEm-D had to be kept cold. I'm looking forward to it arriving.

I also decided to stay off of Birth control because I've always hated it and I don't mind using condoms. I have melasma that I think was caused by the birth control. Maybe it's all related. I don't know.

I wish, though, that they could send this message board and others that exist to researchers so that they could figure out why this happens in some women. When it gets bad, it's very miserable.

I teach at a Turkish private school here. I teach high school English literature and language, so when the pain is bad, it's pretty hard to function in the classroom, but I'm sure it's hard for everyone to function in their daily lives.


Well, I'll keep posting. It is very nice to have this board and it's really amazing how many women are completely unaware of this problem until it becomes a daily nightmare. Maybe along with scaring us about STDs in schools they should also scare us about BV.


It's odd that your gynecologist suggested that you do the Vagi-C tablets instead of the probiotics rather than suggesting that you just do the suppository along with the probiotics. Considering all of the research done on probiotics and how beneficial they are, it leaves me wondering what the idea was behind that decision. Probiotics, even if it's something as small as two cups of plain yogurt containing l.acidophilus helps a lot in the long run biggrin.gif . It sure beats not taking any probiotics at all.

When you say that your going to "stay away from natural products" does that include natural supplements too? Some supplements that contain natural ingredients do help. A lot of studies have been conducted on natural supplements like garlic and grapeseed extract evaluating their effectiveness. Most of the studies so conclude grape seed extract and garlic contain anti-microbial properties. I also recommended the cranberry for the urinary tract, which also counts as a natural product. Of course the overall quality varies and so does the potency but for the most part those natural things do help. I can't recommend certain things since not much research has been done on some of these products treating vaginal infections, if I did, I would sound like any old fool recommending something that probably won't work ohmy.gif I like sticking to the facts. It's reassuring to know your trying something that is clinically proven to work based on scientific studies. But sometimes it's okay to try something new just to see if it helps just as long as it's safe. I tried a echinacea (ek-in-a-sha) product once simply because I wanted to try something new and it did help with reducing my symptoms. However, my symptoms came back after I stopped taking it which I expected but ... sometimes you just need a break regardless of how short the break is.

Dr. Stewart said something along the lines of "your private parts shouldn't be private to you" in her book. It's funny how you mention the sexual education bit; I hear now that most schools these days actually don't even have a sexual education course. I took a child care course my sophmore year in high school and I also took a health/physical education course that same year, but I already knew about STD's anyway since I was already so interested in healthcare ever since I was a kid. I think sexual education should be taught in junior high or middle school. That's when kids really need to know about it. I actually think a little sooner than that wouldn't be a bad idea. Apparently it's better to educate a child about sex prior to the onset of puberty. And I feel pediatricians should also talk to little girls about their bodies and vaginal health in a clinical way of course. Using nicknames kind of makes the female 'V" area seem taboo. It's always bothered me how parents would teach their children to call their genitals silly names like "pee-pee" or "wee-wee". That kind of parenting sets the tone for taboos regarding the private area.

Is the pain your experiencing from the bacterial vaginosis?
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