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sassy
I didn't mention it because I am scared they'll say something bad. But probably, she would just tell me that it's not safe and I should use antibiotics instead. I don't know. I just don't want to get lectured.
pianogirl

Hello Everyone,

I brought size 00 vegetarian capsules from a health food store and got some boric acid from CVS, my boric acid didnt have anything to roach killer but it had a huge skull and bones on the front. I will have to admit I was scared so with a pair of gloves I inserted the capsule but not too far up. I wore a pad and went to sleep when I woke up I had some of the acid mixed with discharge. I didnt smell anything at all ( I had sex last night before the boric acid and I could smell the BV). All seems to be okay I will continue to insert the capsules till my period comes (maybe tommorow). I noticed when I was inserting the acid into the capsules one of my gloves had a slight tear and some acid got on my hands, the acid made my finger very very dry.

I was wondering if you girls prepare a couple of capsules and keep them in an amber bottle or ziplock bag or something. I think I will prepare a few because it can get messy preparing these capsules in the bathroom. Also I inserted the capsules while laying down with my knees to my chest. BTW last time I saw my gyno was in May and shes treated me numerous times for BV including my partner. I don't get why doctors like to tell us that we are making a big deal out of nothing. THis is a serious condition especiallly emotionally. Many of us do not even like to have sex because we dont want to offend our partner.


Thanks for the info. and great advice.
D double U
Hey Ladies,

Haven't been here in a while. Well my BV as gone and come back again. I haven't been having sex but it always comes after my period. I wonder wuts that all about...

Didn't someone say that if you use this acidophillus stuff after the boric acid that it will help keep it away? Has anyone tried using the RepHresh after the boric acid treatment??
Cashmeregirl
HI everyone , Newbie to the board! Happy to find you guys! Anyway, been fighting infections since my Dr. had me on a wide spectrum antibiotic for a sinus infection about 3 years ago. Now I either have a yeast infection or BV. ( on and off of course) Can't take it anymore...I think I just want a new one!! Ughhh!! My Dr. gave me Diflucan for almost 2 months...still didn't work ...then I finally got the Boric Acid which did work...thank God, but my problem is something always always comes back. Went back to the Dr. and got the Boric Acid ...... seemed to help this time again, but now I am having a weird musty smell .....not sure if its still a yeast infection or if it could be BV. Although i tried the new FEM-V test. (anyone try that yet?) It's a pantiliner that can tell you from discharge if you have a bacterial infection......came out negative so now i am just confused ....going to gyno on Wed...just wanted to get anyone 's feedback..... much appreciated.....!!
little_idiot
WOW! That test sounds awesome... Where do you get that? Is it over-the-counter?
jewelscando
Cashmeregirl: Does your Doctor know that you are on Boric?? If not, can you ask him/her about it?? Please be our ginney pig!! We are all to scared to say anything. My smell isn't musty per say, it's more rotten. But not fish smelling either. I too have been on every antibiotic in the world, and Boric has taken the fish away. Also, I've been off boric for a week now, and starting using a Q-tip, once every few days or so, and the funk smell seems to be gone now. So, I don't know. I haven't had sex myself since August 19th. (Yes, I remember the day) wink.gif So, now, I'm just trying to get rid of the funk smell before next weekend. (YEAH, SEX NEXT WEEKEND!!)

Sorry, a Q-Tip of Tea Tree Oil.
Cashmeregirl
Hi All, got the Fem V test at Rite aid by me. You can look it up online and it will tell you where to purchase in your area. Very accurate test, I even called their home office to make sure of it! =) I am so paranoid...hoping that it's just yeast and not anything else still. Acually no mustly smell since I used my last Boric Acid Friday night ( after sex)

Yes, MY dr. is the best, she actually prescribed the Boric Acid herself since my Yeast was so stubborn, I'm hoping that she will give me another refill for it. I will ask her about it for you guys, not a prob. Glad to hear you are feeling better Jewels!!!! smile.gif
summerbabe
I hope I'm posting in the right place!

I'm not sure if I have BV or not -- I haven't really noticed any strong smell, but I'm experiencing a huge change in taste. I used to taste lovely and sweet wink.gif, but for the past few months it's gone to bread-y, almost like pasta (sorry that might sound gross but it's the best way I can describe it!). Does anyone know what might be going on???
Cashmeregirl
Hi Summer sounds like you most likely have a yeast infection. Do you have any discharge?
summerbabe
Hey Cashmeregirl, thanks for replying!

I do have a little bit, but no more than I've always had! I'm not experiencing any discomfort either (I've never had a yeast infection before, but I recall hearing that they make you itch, etc.). Maybe I should try one of those yeast infection remedies and see what happens? Anyone know which one is best?
sassy
Summerbabe...if you've never had a yeast infection, I would go to your doctor first. If you use a yeast medication and you don't have yeast, it will only be making things worse down there and throwing off the natural PH and balance of things. Besides, if you go to your doctor and you do have yeast, you can just get a diflucan pill which is one pill and no mess.
Cashmeregirl
Yes, Summer- if it's your first yeast/ infection def. go to the Dr. like Sassy says. You def. want to make sure. Good Luck!
jewelscando
Ok... So I told you all the fish smell was gone. And here's the newest scoop. This may seem a bit graphic, and I apologize ahead of time, in case someone is offended, however, I feel it's really important to state all the facts, just to determine if anyone else has experienced the same. So... I went to my boyfriends today, (Couldn't wait until this weekend), and everything started fine. I started out on top, and there was no smell what so ever. After about 10 minutes, My boyfriend rolled me over and got on top of me. At the first thrust, it was like he had gone in pretty deep and I felt almost like a popping feeling, way deep inside. THEN... all of a sudden, a HUGE horrible smell of raw dead fish was all around us. I had had no smell at all, up until that almost popping sounding noise. Therefore, I'm back on the idea (Sorry Sassy) that this problem is way "Deeper" then what the boric is able to clear up. I had made the decision not to go back on antibiotics, but, I'm not sure now that I have much of a choice. The smell was really bad. Almost like it was just waiting to "Explode". Probably the worst I've had to date. Anyways, any thoughts?
summerbabe
Thanks guys, I went to the doctor today and she did some swabs, but said everything looked perfectly fine. I'm just waiting for test results, doc doesn't think it's a yeast infection but i'm sort of hoping it is cause that's easy to take care of!
Eralc Alegna
Hello All-

New to the forum because I too have suffered for too damn long with chronic BV. I'm interested in the boric acid treatments as I have never tried them and my regimine of vitamin C tablets and hydrogen peroxide douching hasn't seemed to help in the month or so I've been trying it.

What pharmacies have you picked up the capsules/acid at?
Do I ask at the perscription counter or are they on the shelves?
How much acid do I use and how often?
What sized capsules do I need?

I'm sure most of this has been covered in previous posts but forgive my laziness and un-willingness to sift through 27 some odd pages of horror stories.

Any replies are MUCH appreciated by myself and I'm sure my long neglected boyfriend...
THANKS!
neverending
What pharmacies have you picked up the capsules/acid at?
You can go to any herbal /health food store and find the empty veg. capsules.I buy my Boric Acid from Wal-mart.

Do I ask at the perscription counter or are they on the shelves?
Depends on where you live.I get the Boric acid off the shelf at my local Wal-mart.

How much acid do I use and how often?
I use 1 cap during the day and at night I only use half a capsule

What sized capsules do I need?
I use the regular size capsule.Some ladies here use the 00 size.
Welcome to the board!
Eralc Alegna
Bless You neverending... Anyone else care to weigh in??

And a P.S., since all of you are still discussing remedies and actively researching this, have any of you had long term results with the boric acid (seemingly most popular) or something else? Or is it just an effective means untill it inevitably rears it's nasty head again? I'd at least like a month or two between rotten stages...
neverending
Could this be our problem.Very interesting!

Before menopause, the tissues lining your vagina remain thick and moist in the presence of estrogen. That’s because estrogen helps maintain blood flow to vaginal tissue, keeps vaginal walls supple and elastic, promotes production of natural lubricants, and helps protect against bacterial infections. As estrogen levels decline, the outer genital areas can become dry, itchy, and irritated. In the vagina, harmful bacteria, which would not normally be able to flourish, may grow. Bacteria from the vagina may also reach the urethra and cause bladder infections. Even if you are taking oral hormones, they may not produce levels adequate to treat vaginal atrophy.
ANY THOUGHTS?
Eralc Alegna
I sure as hell hope not!

At 22 I'm nowhere near menopause and I think would be a freak of nature if my estrogen was declining.
Then again at 22 you'd think I'd be able to sustain an active, happy and uninterrupted sex life now wouldn't you?
Emma22
so we need more estrogen? :S
I think what neverending means eralc, is generally before the menopause like anytime before it, not the direct time before... or am i wrong? if i am im 17! (Ive had this problem for at least 2 years now!) and i can assure u its totally unsex related!
neverending
I'm not saying anyone is going through menopause but I was thinking that this may be due to some kind of hormonal imbalance or something of that nature.I suspect my problem is due to hormones because I never had any problems whatsoever until I started /stopped birth control.Before I had my miscarriage in July,I did not have any symptoms of BV for a couple of months.After the miscarriage the BV came back.What changed during pregnancy?Hormones right?

Oh, I have an Doctors appointment next week and I'm going to let him know that I want him to check my hormones.I don't mind being the guinea pig if it's going to make this stop! I will let you ladies know what happens.
neverending
Found something else:
Birth control pills also raise the pH of the vagina so that it is inhospitable to sperm.

Vaginal pH. The normal vaginal pH is 3.8 to 4.5. Bacterial vaginosis often causes the vaginal pH to be greater than 4.5.
jewelscando
Neverending. I've been wondering the same thing for months, but nobody ever seemed to reply. I had a Hysterectomy about 5yrs ago or so, and this is when my problem started. I didn't have a full Hysterectomy, which means I still have my ovaries. I'm thinking, mine has something to do with that as well.
mfc10
QUOTE(Eralc Alegna @ Sep 27 2006, 08:07 PM) *



And a P.S., since all of you are still discussing remedies and actively researching this, have any of you had long term results with the boric acid (seemingly most popular) or something else? Or is it just an effective means untill it inevitably rears it's nasty head again? I'd at least like a month or two between rotten stages...


Hi--new to this forum...I am perimenopausal, and started having recurring bouts of BV, then yeast from the Metrogel I was prescribed to get rid of he BV, then the cycle continued over about 6 months. Nothing helped until my gyno agreed that I should try boric acid capsules vaginally. He wrote me a prescription for them, which a local COMPOUNDING pharmacy filled: They combine 300 mg. boric acid powder with an equal amount of acidophilus powder & put it in capsules. (The standard used in the US is 600-mg. of boric acid per capsule, but in Europe, they use only half as much with great results.) The theory behind using the acidophilus powder is that boric acid can kill off some of the good lactobacilli in the vagina; this helps to replace it. (One could also purchase vaginal acidophilus capsules online to use a day or two after using tyhe boric acid vaginally, or buy powdered acidophilus at a health food store & add it to homemade boric acid capsules.)

At any rate, I was able to taper down to using one at night once every week, then once every 10 days, then once every 14 days, then not at all. No BV or yeast infections since December '05 (it's nearly October '06 now, so 10 months!) When I do get a period or have spotting, I stick a blob of SYLK vaginal lubricant inside to help keep the pH inhospitable to bacteria & yeast (available online--it has a pH of 4.7, not bad considering most lubricants are about 5.5-6---SYLK is closer to the natural acidity of the vagina.) Sometimes I use a piece of a tea tree oil suppository (available online or in some health food stores) if I think anything is brewing down there. So far so good.

However--I might be a special case, since I haven't had intercourse in ages, due to vulvodynia I ended up with as a result of an inflammatory reaction to the Metrogel & to the azole-type yeast creams!

At any rate, several of the gyns in my doctor's practice laud the value of boric acid.
All the best,
maggie
Eralc Alegna
QUOTE(Emma22 @ Sep 28 2006, 01:25 PM) *

so we need more estrogen? :S
I think what neverending means eralc, is generally before the menopause like anytime before it, not the direct time before... or am i wrong? if i am im 17! (Ive had this problem for at least 2 years now!) and i can assure u its totally unsex related!


She was referring to declining estrogen levels. That is the cause of menopause. It would be unusual for someone as young as we are to have this happen. Imbalances, sure but I think the point of the article was to point out signs and inconveinences of meopause beginning. I wasn't sure whether or not menopause might be a concern for anyone on the board even though it's not a concern of mine.
And trust me, I know that it's not caused by sex, but we all know it's aggrivated by it. I'm no novice, I've had my bouts when celebate too.


Thanks mfc10! I'll try picking up the acidophilus somewhere and mixing that in. I'm starting the boric acid tonight, hope I'm as successful as you were

pympmama1
I have been using yeast arrest by vitanica for about 8 days and the smell was gone after the first day. There is no smell at all.... I am hoping this is the answer to my prayers. biggrin.gif
http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.a...8&catid=139
Eralc Alegna
let us know how it works. I read through some of the FAQ and such and it sound pretty legit, they've done their homework...

Anyone got any advice on filling my own boric acid capsules? I picked some up yesterday and it was a disaster. I can't get it on my bare skin, right?
neverending
jewelscando:I am almost certain this is my problem but how do I talk to the doctor about this.Do I just ask for the Hormones or should I ask for the blood tests then have him prescribe the meds?Most Doctors prescribe meds without blood tests but I was wondering if that is safe because estrogen can be dangerous if given too much.If this does not work I give up.Oh, Take a look at this and tell me what you think! I found this on a research website.

Changes in the vagina occur in response to a woman's hormonal cycle. Estrogen causes the vagina to thicken, then blood vessels bring nutrients and oxygen to the vagina. These maintain vaginal flexibility and health.

Estrogen and pregnancy
The pregnant woman at term produces more estrogen in one day, than a nonpregnant woman produces in 3 years! Estrogen is responsible for enormous changes during pregnancy. During pregnancy, there is a large increase in the amount of estriol in relationship to estrone and estradiol. Increased levels of estrogen that occur during pregnancy may be associated with improvement in psoriasis.
neverending
Sorry to keep posting but I found some more info that some of us might be able to use.You know me; always researching! As much time as I spend on this you would think I would find the cure to our problems!

Reduced estrogen levels are the main cause of vaginal dryness. Estrogen, a female hormone, helps keep vaginal tissue healthy by maintaining a normal vaginal acidity level. Acidity creates a natural defense against vaginal and urinary tract infections. But when your estrogen levels decrease, so does this natural defense and the amount of vaginal lubrication. Decreased estrogen amounts can lead to a thinner, less elastic and more fragile vaginal lining.
http://www.minniepauz.com/menopause-symptom-dry-vagina.html
jewelscando
I get the Boric on my hand all the time, I just wash it off quickly. Some people suggest using a piece of paper, buy pooring it on the paper, then folding it and allowing it to slide into the capsule. I just put some in the cap and scoop it. It's never bothered my fingers, but I wash my hand immediatley, then again after I insert it.

Neverending. Yeah, I agree with you. I'm going on 40, had a partial hysterectomy, starting to get the heat flashes, and fish in the kitty. Sounds like old age if you ask me!! wink.gif just kidding all you young girls!! Anyways, I would ask the Doctor for blood work. I mean really, why go on something, if you don't really need it.
jewelscando
Hey, question. Has anyone developed a rash from the Boric? I developed a really bad rash on my forehead, and a small rash on my arms. I went to a skin specialists, and she said I was having an alergic reaction to something. She instructed me to test my different hair products, lotions etc. She also gave me a prescription of Cortizone and said use this for 10 days and it will be gone. Well, here I am on day 11, and the rash is no where near gone, and 10 times worse on my arms. I've limited my usage on Boric, I've only used it 2 times in the last 10 days. So, I'm still not sure if it's from that. Anyways, anybody??
neverending
Nope! Just pelvic pain sometimes but it goes away.
Eralc Alegna

Thank you so much jewejscando, the scooping worked well enough so tonight is the first night. I'm going a full 00 capsule morning and night for a week or two or until the symptoms *hopefully* stop.

So do you think theres something to the hormone thing? Should we all go get blood work and see? It would make sense for those of us close to menopause or with hysterectomy related issues and maybe the younger of us are just imballanced. I wouldn't be surprised if it was common with all the nutritional and environmental slack we have going on in our society.
I was also wondering if anyone had considered going to see someone who practices "alternative" medicine. I read an article in a local paper about a girl who got inexplicably sick and was having chronic yeast infections. she was diagnosed with like a yeast overgrowth or something and perscribed a diet and suppliment plan of some sorts and it worked. I was thinking I'm just too damn full of bacteria. I'm not exactly the epitome of health and care. It seems everytime the BV goes away acne flares up. The two must be related..
neverending
I've thought of acupuncture but when I found out how much it was I changed my mind.I think it was $100 each session and thats not including the herbs you have to buy in order to get better.You have to have 2 sessions a week and it might take months in order to get the full benefit.I'm back in college and right now I just can't afford it.
Cashmeregirl
Hi everyone. Well I found out I don't have a Bacterial infection. Just yeast still. My Dr. Prescribed 14 Boric Acid caps. Hopefully that will work finally ....seems to always come back. =( just wondering if anyone used Boric and had oral sex about 5 days or so after it? LOL Sorry for the question but My husband and I are finally going to be alone Friday nite and I'm not sure if I should just wait on using the Boric just in case you know =) Also my Dr. said all good things about using Boric so you guys could all breath a sigh of relief. Thanks!
Emma22
has anyone tried Prebio 7? Its supposed to help treat yeast infections?
Eralc Alegna
Why are doctors giving us or people recomending yeast products? What does that have to do with or why would it help BV?
pepper
neverending, a student clinic for acupuncture, acupressure, tcm etc is so much less money. they need patients to treat and they are fully supervised by a very experienced instructor. it takes longer but it's so worth it. check out the schools in your area, give them a call.

eralc alegna, what? i don't think i understood that entirely, say again.
neverending
Pepper:Thanks! I never thought about that before. I will definitely keep that in mind.I have a doctors appointment thursday and I'm looking forward to trying an estrogen based cream but if that does'nt work i'm going to hunt down an acupuncture student smile.gif.
dylan44
I have had the worst problems down yonder lately. The new thing is a slight onion smell when I shower. I just started taking my acidophilus today but was wondering if this will help. I have been to the doctors almost every month this whole year and every culture, test, etc. is negative. I did think that I had a yeast infection last week because I had itching, etc. and did the whole 3 day treatment and I still don't feel 100%. So, needless to say I would love to take the homeopathic remedy road. Last night I took a sitz bath in water and vinegar and this morning I took an acidophilus. What is going on with me?

How long should I take the acidophilus? Does anyone recommend douching in a vinegar solution?
neverending
What you eat also determines how it will smell. I use to eat a lot of garlic and it would have a garlic smell also.So it might be what you are eating.Also, I would'nt recommend douching when you don't have an infection.That might upset the kitty then you'll really have an infection and trust me when I say you don't want one!
Eralc Alegna
QUOTE(pepper @ Oct 2 2006, 11:46 PM) *

eralc alegna, what? i don't think i understood that entirely, say again.


Sorry, worded it all ramble-y.

What the hell are yeast treatments going to do for those of us dealing with chronic BV?
little_idiot
This is kind of a weird subject, but...
I know I don't always taste/smell the same and I'm kind of neurotic/paranoid about it (as I'm sure you all are too), especially when Mr. Idiot wants to go down on me. When I know we're going to get frisky I *always* shower shortly before, which takes away a lot of the fun of spontaneity. I asked him once how I tasted and he said "sometimes better than other times, sometimes salty, sometimes like nothing." Argh! This drives me nuts! Sometimes after he's done his breath smells like onions and that really makes me paranoid and very self-conscious. Other times his mouth doesn't smell or taste like anything at all afterwards. I mean, he never complains, and a lot of times he wants to keep going after I'm good to go--but I can never shake the paranoia and obsession about how I smell and taste! I've had BV a couple of times in the past but haven't had chronic problems--I've had chronic problems with yeasties but it's gotten better with vigilance. Anyway I just wanted to share my thoughts about this I guess, I'm sure some of you can relate... rolleyes.gif
fedup
I am a newbie to the board and named myself "fedup" because I truly am fed up with all the doctors, failed medications (antibiotics, metrogel, etc....). I have been living with this awful discharge and odor for about 12 years now and it's really driving me nuts. I can relate to everything you ladies are saying, especially "little_idiot" when she talks about getting frisky! I do the same thing with my boyfriend, I rush off and wash up really quick or take a shower because I know he will want to go down there and do his thing. I've been to 6, yes I said 6 doctors and none of them can make this thing go away. I've been told it's a yeast infection and BV by several of them. I'm so tired of the wet underwear feeling and wiping them out everytime I go to the bathroom. This is really horrible and putting a strain on my relationship. My boyfriend knows nothing about this, I am currently hiding it very well from him, because it's really embarrising.








QUOTE(little_idiot @ Oct 3 2006, 08:42 PM) *

This is kind of a weird subject, but...
I know I don't always taste/smell the same and I'm kind of neurotic/paranoid about it (as I'm sure you all are too), especially when Mr. Idiot wants to go down on me. When I know we're going to get frisky I *always* shower shortly before, which takes away a lot of the fun of spontaneity. I asked him once how I tasted and he said "sometimes better than other times, sometimes salty, sometimes like nothing." Argh! This drives me nuts! Sometimes after he's done his breath smells like onions and that really makes me paranoid and very self-conscious. Other times his mouth doesn't smell or taste like anything at all afterwards. I mean, he never complains, and a lot of times he wants to keep going after I'm good to go--but I can never shake the paranoia and obsession about how I smell and taste! I've had BV a couple of times in the past but haven't had chronic problems--I've had chronic problems with yeasties but it's gotten better with vigilance. Anyway I just wanted to share my thoughts about this I guess, I'm sure some of you can relate... rolleyes.gif



Oh one more thing... can you guys please share what your discharge looks like? Mine is SLIMY and yellowish and has an awful odor. Does anyone else's look this way?? HELP!!
little_idiot
(((((Fedup))))) I think everyone here can relate.

Umm, I think I jinxed myself with my post last night... Shortly after that, Mr. was going down on me and after that, I noticed the kitty smelling pretty foul. Not fishy, but more like musty. Ugh, and his breath was terrible and I felt just awful. I didn't think anything was up until then... But that smell is not normal. Since then, I've had some pinkish-orange discharge, no itching or irritation or anything but ugh, still. I used a vinegar and water douche this morning and I got some boric acid (after running ALL OVER town, only one pharmacy carries it) and 00 capsules, so I'll try that tonight. I'm not sure why boric acid is said to work for yeasties and BV... seems it should be one or the other but it's worth a try. The boric acid looks like scary stuff, I wonder who the hell thought of putting that up her coochie?!? I got the powder, hope that's right...
neverending
I have a doctors appointment tomorrow and I can't believe my period is trying to come on.Ugh, If it's not one thing it's another.Now what am I going to do?This makes me so F@#$ing sick!
sassy
Fedup--My discharge is always sort of yellowish and slimy too. Ugh...that sounds so gross!!
girlievongirlie
hello- newbie here! Thank you all for the information! It is nice to know that I am not the only person in the world who goes through this! the first time I had an issue with the "smell" was 3 years ago- I gave up sex because I thought for sure something was really wrong with me....then after awhile, finally I met a nice guy and decided to go for it with him....well sure enough- the second time we have sex- all the signs come back again. I guess it is my phbalance being thrown off......can I fix that?

neverending
little_idiot:Did this musty smell start when you started/stopped or while you were on birth control?(I think that came out right) smile.gif
fedup
QUOTE(sassy @ Oct 4 2006, 09:08 PM) *

Fedup--My discharge is always sort of yellowish and slimy too. Ugh...that sounds so gross!!


Sassy, what have you tried, or done about your problem? I ordered some yeast arrest boric acid pills that you insert into the vagina. I contacted another doctor yesterday about informed him of my 12 year problem and this is what he had to say:

"I will be happy to see you but if this problem has been most of your adult life it is not likely that I will be able to do any better than your previous care providers."

What the hell is wrong with these doctors??? They dont think this is a big deal, they are always brushing us off. The bigger question is, can you pass this mess to your partner?
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