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anarch
QUOTE(lightchested @ Jan 2 2009, 02:42 PM) *

some men have not done it even after I begged them to.



What assholes. WTF. If you're not making sure your partner gets as much pleasure out of sex as you do, you're doing it wrong.

loonydaray
have to agree with you lightchested
stupid boobs
karategrrl
HELLOOOOOO LADIES!!!

I missed you all! Egads, I was away for awhile and I missed so much!!!! Thank you ladies for lighting up my morning. I'm home sick and was literally crying with laughter reading the last three pages or so of posts. Auralpoison, lightchested and lala, you are my freaking heroes.

Strongirl, that was about the nicest description of breastfeeding I've ever read. As someone who hasn't had kids (and won't), I can only learn about this vicariously, so it was really great of you to share it. I just spent several days with my brother's family. My sis-in-law is breastfeeding my new nephew, like, every couple of hours, and all I could think of was how that would drive me insane. Your view helped me see the other side of it. Thanks!

I apologize for chiming in late on this topic, but strongirl, I very much enjoyed your skydiving story, and starship, yep, go for the workouts! I definetely DO receommend working out, especially the chest. You can't "spot-reduce" and therefore won't lose fat/size in the chest area alone from working it out. What you WILL do, however, is build a nice layer of muscle, which will make the bony areas look less so, and you'll define and shape the chest and torso. (Re-read my post about the guy in the gym commenting on my pecs if you need inspiration!!) Not to mention it feels empowering to be strong and able to lift heavy things!

I'm going to go shave my p---y and do my Kegels now. Then I will eat chocolate and masturbate while fantasizing about Smoove-B. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
neurotic.nelly
This post is going to be all over the place.

1. I have never felt that feeling like a woman comes from the size of my breasts. For me, it comes from my back, butt, and hips, swagger, and attitude.


2. Myth: your breasts will never change or grow.

Reality: your breasts may grow. i read a blog by a long time bustie and she said at 30 or so years old, her breasts grew (prolly from a b cup) to a full c cup and she wrote about how uncomfortable it felt and strange and how she hated all the new found attention. I was talking to a 72 year old woman, and she said as a full grown woman she once was a b cup and now she is a D cup. And some women after breast feeding shrink. I swear mines are still changing and growing slightly and I am in my late 20's. I never thought my left one would fill out and surpass the right one in prettiness, but it has. It was the ugly duckling of the two for sooo long and it has continued slowly to blossom. It is as full and the nipple is perfect and it is so damn perky. Just gorgeous I tells ya!




lightchested
That is awesome news about boobs still being able to grow at any time! I always felt that in my heart. I just know my boobs are going to come back to me one day. I had a semi-okay pair, but they ran away from home when I lost weight a while back. Even they, though, nice as they were, were not at my "full boob potential", which is something that's been hazily defined in my mind's eye since I was 8 or 9 years old.

I almost bought two Energizing Crystals (this is a link to click on) today at Whole Foods.

The packaging said they will bring "unexpected miracles". I asked my husband if he thought they might bring me boobs. He said he didn't know, but he thought it was worth a shot to buy them, hang one from each nipple, and see what happens.

rolleyes.gif
mumblestutter
wow! never stopped in here before i like hearing everyone's experiences with small boobies! but wish there was more love in here! mine are smallerish- b cup- and i love em. i think they fit my body and aren't big & droopy.

Super weird, but when i was younger & pretty skinny they were double D. I swear. then they just went away. i wasn't on birth control & my weight didn't really change. not sure where they went but i've gained weight & they've never come back. Which I'm fine with. I sorda liked havin big boobs, but i had back pain & was very mistrusting of male attention. I think i'm more confident now i have smaller boobs b/c i feel like it's one less thing to distract people from who i am and what i'm saying. i don't second guess guys motives as much now.

there IS a ton of talk in the media & total idealization of women with huge, fake breasts. i LIKE that i'm the opposite of that. that i'm a real person and don't look like those women do. i feel sexy and beautiful & happy with how i look.

any man who makes negative comments about my body will not see me naked. maybe i've been fortunate, but the guys i've been with have just been really happy to be able to touch a beautiful woman. boob-size has not been an issue. but some guys are just more into touching boobs than others.

be happy with your body! you just get one. enjoy it, make the most of it smile.gif !
karategrrl
"The packaging said they will bring "unexpected miracles". I asked my husband if he thought they might bring me boobs. He said he didn't know, but he thought it was worth a shot to buy them, hang one from each nipple, and see what happens."


At the very least they'd make great tittie tassles. wink.gif
honeybunch
I hope mine change and just stay bigger. I was a D cup for a bit...That was a bit too much for me. I'd be happy a full B or C. That's not too big.
P Lover Ray
Although I meant well, apparently my previous posts were inappropriate. I have voluntarily pulled them off the site. If I can figure out how to do it, I will remove my membership.

I suppose the entire dialogue was a testimony of how difficult it is for men and women to communicate with each other. In real life, I have more difficulties even than this, yet when face to face I have found it possible to work through the difficulties and in the long run have found it worth the effort.

Ray
auralpoison
Dingdingding! Round three people.

Y'know, I find it hysterical PLR that you seem to think it was the *language* that you used & not the content that was offensive. You seem to think you were too "explicit" with the "ladies". We aren't blushing virgins, y'know. Our delicate ears didn't burn. It was the actual CONTENT of your post that was offensive, not your verbiage. You chose to view women merely as objects for male pleasure, not human beings. Boxes without feelings, needs, or wants. Just moist, preferably hairless places for you to put your peestick. That's WAY more offensive than your over-usage of the word pussy. Explicit language wasn't the problem, but your attitude towards women was.

By & large, I communicate well with both women & men. A lot of that has to do with the fact that I have respect for them & don't just view them as things I could possibly fuck.
P Lover Ray
Ah, Aurelpoison. While surfing trying to figure out how to remove my membership, I saw your post.

I do not think you communicate as well as you complain.

My message, clearly repeated several times, was that one of the most essential components of a good relationship is that of people simply liking to be with each other. Things like going shopping at the grocery store together. My message was that this is even more important than physical features.

Yet, you claim that I think of a woman as nothing but a sex object. Not only is it not true, I do not know how to make it any more clear that I do not view it that way. On the other hand, I do appreciate good sex with a woman and do not apologize for that. Perhaps I do not communicate as well as I might, but you do not listen very well either.

Ray
auralpoison
A thousand pardons, PLR. I got this thing, see? It's that I don't suffer fools. And even your apology was obnoxious. MWET.

Don't worry about deleting your profile. Just leave & never come back.
lightchested
PL Ray,

If you don't think of women as sex objects, why did you assume that what bothers women about having small breasts is men's reaction to small breasts and our ability to give men sexual pleasure??? Why did you tell us that we can make up for our two perky "shortcomings" if only we increase the grip of our inner girly muscles?

To assume that our main (or sole) source of angst is our ability to please men is very odd, given that our breasts are on our bodies 24/7, and sex comprises only a small fraction of our time spent on this planet. And some women don't have sex with men anyway. (Oh, to be one of them! rolleyes.gif )


auralpoison
Lightchested, thanx.

On with beating the dead horse.

You deleted all your posts except for the one that disparages me. Weenie. Chickenshit. Weakass. Lily-livered COWARD. AND you didn't even spell my name right. Der.

Um, I just have to ask. Was I being evil on the PLR? He *briefly* mentioned personality being important (Albeit in a heinous way with ugly chicks & normal guys at the market.) in his first post, the rest was about pussy & pleasing men. His other posts were equally obnoxious in that pious MWET way, in that *we* didn't understand what he was trying to say. I think we did. He was talking out his ass & we called him on it. Yeah, yeah, he started eventually expressing that communication/personality was important but only after he got the business. But when he apologized, it felt condescending. It wasn't, 'Hey you gave me new perspective' it was, 'I was just in a men's forum & they talk raw & one should talk to the ladies different'. I have no delicate sensibilities unless you treat me like I'm gonna break because I have a vajajay. I just found him overall to be a MWET. So was I wrong? Was I reading too much into it?

ETA, I noticed nobody said thanks for the apology. I figger it's because it sounded the same to me as to others.
mindy82
Does anyone else here have problems breaking off a relationship?

I don't see a real future with my current boyfriend, but after a breakup it usually takes months before I find someone new.
auralpoison
Mindy, I see that you are new here. There is a forum called the Mating Game that is better suited to answering your question here Moving On. Do stop by the newbies thread & introduce yourself, chica.

And if I may say so, time alone is good. You don't always need to have a partner to feel good about you.
mindy82
I had chosen this forum because my small breasts are the likely reason that it takes months to find a new boyfriend after a breakup.
Vendetta
Are you serious?
strongirl
Wow, so much going on in here it's impossible to comment on all of it. But since I sort of started the breastfeeding thing...

To address Lightchested's questions, yes, all the reasons Bottleblack listed were why I opted to breastfeed. To be honest, I was reluctant because my identity was more "hottie" than "mommie" and I didn't want that to change too much, so it started as a bit of a sacrifice I made for the health of my son. But once we got going, I loved it for the joy of the experience itself. Breastfeeding a baby provides much of the pleasant physical sensations of having one's breasts stimulated by a lover but with a completely different set of emotions. Looking down at my baby nursing evoked feelings of tenderness, protectiveness, and serenity, while looking down at a man at my breast evokes feelings of excitement, arousal, and desire. Some of the happiest moments of my life were breastfeeding while sitting in a big comfy chair, my dog snoring at my feet and my cat purring on the arm of the chair and my baby making contented little nursing sounds. I felt so powerful and complete.

On the laziness thing, I got WAY more sleep and rest than other new moms I knew who used formula. We did family bed, so all I had to do for night feedings was roll over - sometimes I didn't even really wake up. And I loved not having to pack anything extra for outings or trips (boobs travel much easier than bottles/formula). Definitely easier to breastfeed.

To this day, when I hear a baby cry that particular "feed me!" cry - in stores or restaurants or wherever - it makes my breasts ache like I need to nurse! My boyfriend finds this very funny and thinks it's sweet.

Another funny story - the first time I was away from my son overnight was partly for a sexual tryst with said bf. I thought we had weaned enough that I would not get engorged, but sure enough, they got too full and started leaking! I was so embarrassed...but bf was totally turned on by it and more than happy to give me some relief! We still fantasize about that once in a while and it was over 10 years ago.
strongirl
Karategrrl - "I'm going to go shave my p---y and do my Kegels now. Then I will eat chocolate and masturbate while fantasizing about Smoove-B."

I laughed my ass off over that! LOL biggrin.gif




lightchested
auralpoison,

You are dead on. And it does suck that he erased his first couple of messages so that anyone who didn't read them won't necessarily know what you and I are on about.

My head kind of spun around on my neck when I read something he wrote in his most recent post, in defense of his viewing/ not viewing women as sex objects, that he'd "previously mentioned" how he values the time couples spend together, like in a grocery store.

No, that was not what he wrote the first two times he referenced a grocery store! He had basically written that we should be assuaged by the fact that if we look around a grocery store, we will see physically deficient women (presumably like us, though maybe with different "deformities" than ours) who nonetheless have found some sucker who nonetheless spends times with and appears to love these women so sadly lacking in aesthetic prowess. I had wondered if we were also supposed to be impressed that a guy would be willing to be seen in public with a less-than-Playboyesque partner, or if we were just supposed to take solace in the fact some that men have displayed willingness to treat such a Quasimodo as he would any decent looking woman with whom he might (otherwise) have had a relationship.

No, you are not overreacting...his apology was not one. I too was waiting for a "thanks for the enlightenment" message, and was disappointed at the lack of one. But even without that, I'd like to think we may have altered, if only a little bit, his view that women measure their breast satisfaction level on their perceived ability to pleasure men. But that would refute any belief he might have about women as sex objects, so maybe I'm just being optimistic, as I have a tendency to be.
ailurophile
Mindy82: Sweetie...so you are in the right place. If it takes you sooo long to find a new bf because your breasts are too small, then good for you. You are going to be with someone who likes you for who you are, not because you may have large breasts. If you think you would find someone sooner if you had bigger boobs, why would you even want that guy???

Auralpoison...and Ray: Ray did not get a thank you for the apology from me b/c he is still totally missing the point. It's not about sex and kegels and p*ssy or his swearing or vulgarity. It's about the problems that come with small boobs like buying bras that fit, clothes that look good, feeling feminine, etc. Was he really not paying attention to anything anyone said??? Maybe he meant well at the beginning but he still doesn't get it after all the explanations and yet he won't go away.
Vendetta
Don't you think it's wrong to believe it's hard to find a boyfriend due to small breasts? Do you chose your men based on some physical preference? I don't know, maybe it can be the truth after all but it's sad.
ailurophile
....And yes Mindy82, I have had a hard time breaking off relationships due my small size. I stayed with the same idiot for 9 years and one of the reasons was b/c of how he viewed my breasts. He grew up with small breasted sisters and didn't even flinch at the sight of tits unless they were mine. God knows what he did while with his friends or while I wasn't around but in my presence, he looked at no others, he loved mine and got mad at me when I dissed them. My new guy now is sooo different. He is a much better man in so many ways (ie: character, honor, hard worker, etc.) except he likes big tits. He said he loves mine and pays alot of attention to them but his head turns at any significant bumps he may see popping through clothing whether on TV or at the mall --and he does not check out chicks like Gwen Stefani ...or chicks like me. Please don't think you will not a get a new man just b/c your boobs are small. And like I said-- If you think you would find someone sooner if you had bigger boobs, why would you even want that guy??? And what I meant by "good for you" is that at least you know a man likes you for you and not b/c you have big boobs.
karategrrl
QUOTE(strongirl @ Jan 5 2009, 02:38 PM) *
To this day, when I hear a baby cry that particular "feed me!" cry - in stores or restaurants or wherever - it makes my breasts ache like I need to nurse! My boyfriend finds this very funny and thinks it's sweet.


I had to laugh. I saw my family over the holidays. My sis-in-law is breastfeeding my nephew and said her breasts actually tingle when he cries for them!!! So anyway, she and I went out shopping (without him) and at one point she said, "Wow, my boobs feel funny!" and I said, "Maybe's John's crying for them!" Hahaha, psychic boobies.

Funny how our male poster returned to post 2 more times after saying he was outta here. No, it's obvious he did not READ any of our posts to get a feel for the board before totally putting his foot (or both?!) into his mouth.

Leave, already, PL Ray. I for one will ignore you if you come back. <crickets chirping in the background>
auralpoison
I have such a girl crush on Vendetta.

Thanks. For about a half a second, I was worried that my ire was misplaced. I mean, that was the WORST apology ever. It was basically, "I'm sorry I talked to you like a real person, y'know, one with a penis." Candy-ass fuckstick. Looks like he's gone finally.
starship
I'm sure he'll pop up again in a few days to tell us how wrong we all are. le sigh

i was kind of erm testing the waters with this guy today by mentioning how I'd thought about getting a boob job in the past- "why? small ones are the hottest" eee. chichis a-go-go.
i find it kind of sad that i still feel the need to ease my boobs in to a sexual scenario rather than just chucking them right in there

many things cross my mind when deciding to end a relationship, but my boobs arent one of them mindy. i like having at least a few months break between bfs anyway. especially if it's been a long/difficult relationship. gives me time to find myself again and enjoy all the perks of being single. but if you do want a new man then dont let small breasts hold you back. any difficulties are more likely to be because of your attitude towards them and lack of confidence rather than the boobs themselves. and like the other ladies have said- a decent guy who isn't hung up on cup-size if worth waiting for if you ask me;)

yeah, it's wrong vendetta but if you look back most of us here have been guilty of breast-related irrationality at some point. yourself included?
neurotic.nelly
QUOTE(starship @ Jan 5 2009, 12:50 PM) *
yeah, it's wrong vendetta but if you look back most of us here have been guilty of breast-related irrationality at some point. yourself included?


I know, it's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Vendetta
Sure, and that's the reason I came here in the first place. Because before someone mentioned that breasts were that important, I simply had never bothered about that. But two years after that, shit, I still have my insecurities but I'm a rational person and I know how to separate insecurities from reality. I wore myself in such a positive way that no man (before "him") has ever said anything about it and I believe my lack of boobs was never a problem to any of them. And when I suffered from the guy loving big boobs I avoided thinking every man feels the same. I just tell myself "let's be rational". Men are pigs but not THAT much. I don't know, maybe I'm just thinking this way to feel better about myself?

I'm saying this and I still want to have boobs. I simply believe me wanting to have boobs has nothing to do with men, those basic creatures.
mynameislala
Oh God... so much to talk about!

I hope PLR doesn't come back. I also thought he was "apologizing" like:
"Yeah, yeah you girls, you will NEVER understand because I'm a man, oh, girls, can't you read?".

Well, can't YOU read! Sure there are posts about men, yes, mostly about men putting down small breasts, but it's NOT ABOUT MEN. What is so hard to understand that breasts aren't really sexual, and that they are part of women's anatomy. I think he should read a post that lightchested left about how shw struggles with her small breasts daily. It's not funny. There are cancer worries, bra worries... not just "oh-wonder-if-he'll-ignore-my-small-breasts-if-i-have-a-tight-vagina" worries! Breasts are so complicated and need such care, and are so tied to women's view of themselves, to their emotional health. why do you think women who've had mastectomies suffer so much? Because it's a part of their femininity that's GONE... Christ...

Anyway, moving on...

Starship - that's great! It must've felt great to hear that.

Vendetta, Nelly (all of us really) - I have also suffered breast related irrationality. In my mind they are breasts, parts of my anatomy and femininity, but I've had crazy thoughts about them. For example today, i was watching TV with my boyfriend. This comedy show. It started as a very, very funny stand up show. Then they moved on to stand up and sketches. Now it's the same, but as we're in summer right now, the hired a woman, ONLY to be shown as eye candy. She never has lines, and she's just there wearing almost non existant clothes, with huge fake implants. I got so pissed off. Of course there were breasts close ups. And he sensed this. At first he was supportive and told me "Oh, but I love you, you're so gorgeous, why do you get upset? It's meaningless". But to me that felt like lies. So I told him "Oh, but you don't get it do you? You're a man, of course it doesn't bother you like me, because you enjoy it and also because men are never shown like pieces of meat!". He got upset and...

1) Accused me of being vain, insecure and shallow. He said that I'm a fool for spending so much energy worrying about other girls who're paid to look like that. That I'm foolish and childish for thinking that my physique is so important.

2) Judged me on my past. In the past (before I met him) I was, um, promiscuous? He seems to think so, but I don't. I did make out with strangers and had a friend with benefits (no sex, though, I was young). But who doesn't? Well he hasn't. So he thinks I have double standars because in the past I made out, no strings attached, with older guys I had just met, yet I complain that women are shown like pieces of mean in the media. Well, i'm sorry but it's not the same, and I don't think I have double standars. For one, those guys chased me, asked me for my number and I refused/gave them fake numbers. If anything, I used them, and no, I'm not proud, but it's done already. But on TV, women are shown like lifeless T n' A dolls, only for male pleasure, and guys are ugly, but they are the "cool ones".

So yeah... I still feel awful sometimes watching TV even though I know I shouldn't because it's meaningless and I can't do anything other than complain about it, and that won't change anything.

Mindy - I can understand why you feel like that. But please, try not to. If this relationship isn't making you happy, then it should end. Is it ending because of your breasts? If it is, then maybe he's not worth it. If it isn't, and there are deeper issues, then do what's best for you. But let me tell you something, while it's going to be hard to be on your own, you will have a chance to get to know yourself better. Plus, I'm sure there will be a guy who will totally be into you, because he'll think you're hot, he'll think your boobs are hot. There are such guys, hard to find, but great guys are hard to find. Have fun, spend quality time with your girl friends. Being single can be a lot of fun. It's cliché, but when you least expect it, he'll come. I've met a lot of small breasted girls with lots of guys chasing after them, and some bigger girls with very tough luck in love.

Anyway, chin up! We're all beautiful.
treehugger
Y'know,

I think I've come to terms with my boobs, for the most part. The only time I really get infuriated is when I try to go bra shopping.

Just in case some of you don't know what I do for a living, I work in a male-dominated, physical trade. I repair refrigeration systems, of all kinds. Yesterday I was working with a guy on a really large centrifugal chiller and we had to change some belts on the motor. I was bent in a really awkward angle trying to reach into this cavity and stretch the belts over the pulley, and...

my. boobs. got. in. the way.

I never, ever in my life thought I'd have that problem. Heh. Good thing they AREN'T "average" sized...I'd never be able to do my job!
karategrrl
QUOTE(starship @ Jan 5 2009, 08:50 PM) *
i was kind of erm testing the waters with this guy today by mentioning how I'd thought about getting a boob job in the past- "why? small ones are the hottest" eee. chichis a-go-go.



MARRY THAT MAN IMMEDIATELY!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Okay, a few random replies/thoughts:

treehugger: I salute you for working in a male-dominated trade. I know I'd get so infuriated on a daily (or minute-ly) basis with all that male posturing bullshit I wouldn't last a week. I bow to you, O Amazing Woman. (Side story: I know someone who is a female electrician. I swear, she LOOVES her job not so much for the work itself, but for the fact that she looooves being the only woman, and all the attention that she gets from it. When I asked about her work, I expected her to talk about...er...electrical work! But no, I got a 30-minute monologue about how great it is to have men staring at her all day. Complete attention ho.)

But I digress...I've had those "so glad I don't have big knockers" thoughts in similar situations: working on my house, doing martial arts, etc.

mynameislala, I really feel your pain. Men really DO NOT understand what it's like to be an intelligent, small-breasted woman and see women portrayed in the media that way. It is an argument I've had my the hubby many, many times and I get similar reactions. "It's no big deal," he insists. YET.....we were watching the Sex And The City movie and there's that scene with the hot naked guy taking a shower outside, with all the close-ups, and my hubby was like, "Oh, puhleeese....!!!" Too funny. I LOVE that they showed a man like that--and not even for the eye candy, though he had a nice body--just for some fucking EQUALITY, finally!!!! Oooh, I could go on and on with this topic for hours, but I won't. mad.gif It's not fair, it IS a big deal, and they can't understand unless they're walked a mile in our moccasins and been personally, repeatedly treated like pieces of meat. End of fucking story.


For everyone, just a thought...

Ya know, men or whoever will criticize us for making such a "big deal" out of a comparitively small (no pun intended) area of our body, YET....aren't men famous for making a huge fucking deal (again, no pun intended) about their dick size???!! I mean, really, it's a major part of what they think/talk/obsess about: "Does she think it's too small?" "Is it too small?" "Is his bigger?" "Will a man with a bigger cock steal her away?" "Can I last long enough?" "Will I be able to get it up?" etc. etc. ad nauseum..... So any man has no right whatsoever to criticize our preoccupation with breast size. Really, think about it.
lightchested
Mindy82-

I know where you're coming from, but try to be strong and push through the fear. You can leave this guy and find another, and don't worry that the next guy "might be worse" (as I often do) because if he is...he will become part of your past faster than this guy did. Each guy only gets more suited to you than the last, because I think a person does a kind of "natural selection" in which she doesn't let herself go backwards in terms of what she will accept. Your mind just won't allow it- it will weed out dickweeds much quicker than it did the first time it ran into similar specimens of dickweed. So that fear (if you have it, as I always have) can be put to rest: the next one will not be "worse".

Now for the issue you brought up: that you perceive a competitive disadvantage for a smallie to catch a mate with all of our boingy-boobed counterparts habitating our same earth. Yes, I'll admit, that is very annoying. Those Boingy Boobs not only seem to collect men like loose change at the bottom of a purse, but they have the nerve to complain about "unwanted male attention". My sister is one, in fact, and while she gets tons of "unwanted male attention", I "enjoy" the gift of being invisible. If only I could turn it into a superpower somehow and save the earth with my powers of invisibility amongst mankind. But I stray.

I will admit, I do think we are seen (or not seen!) differently because of our "light of chest" situation. My Boingy Boobed sister and cousin told me over Christmas that they have NEVER been written a ticket (e.g. for traffic violations), though they've been pulled over plenty of times. Hmmm. I spent December 18 in a Detroit court fighting for my right to text while driving (I lost. There goes $160 worth of bra money. At the La Senza sale in Canada right now, that could have bought me 16 bras!)

I could not complete this entry earlier because a coworker was eating stinky food so I went to Canada to pass the time. I got detained by customs on the way back and wondered if my sister would have been waved on through??? I couldn't help laughing at the "Welcome to the United States" sign on the wall, with instructions on how to be fingerprinted on that same sign (instructions in English, French, and two languages I didn't recognize that don't use our same alphabet). Yeah, I felt real welcome, sitting on a hard plastic chair while bomb sniffing dogs searched my car and customs officials went through all the photos in my phone to see if I had taken any shots that were a threat to national security.

But to your point, from which I continue to deviate, I do suspect that we don't have the same vast selection of male sex partners that the "boing of boob" have, but maybe our smaller selection contains a higher combined average of niceness? And since small ones are used in art, we may get the more artistic guys. How many implanted women have you seen in artisitic nude photographs? (I'm not talking about the porn websites that call themselves "art nudes"...I'm talking about in an art gallery, or in photography books)

A particularly honest friend of mine recently told me that he would not feel comfortable with a girl with large breasts because he'd be overwhelmed by her "womanity" (womanliness). So maybe for men who aren't the smash-the-beer can-on-the-head types, "too much woman" may not be a good thing. This particularly honest man said that he wants a girl that lets him feel like a man, and big knockers would be a confrontation to his manhood. This may sound ghastly to the more feminista of readers, but this guy is NOT overly "manly" in the stereotypical way. He is manly because he expresses his feelings (tears and all) often, without fear, and with scant apology. I appreciate that kind of manhood. He doesn't let himself get boxed into the stereotype of a "real man". As such, I think he doesn't want a woman who is the stereotypical "uber-woman".

I thought his observation was interesting...perhaps remotely ( rolleyes.gif ) insulting if one reads into it, but interesting.

neurotic.nelly
Hey karategrrl - There is a bigger issue for guys, and it isn't necessarily the size of their dick, because they aren't the first thing we see nor are they the first thing that attracts us. Guys don't go around getting women by flashing their huge peckers. The bigger issue, for men, it would seem, is balding. Oh nothing smells of insecurity more than a balding man, especially when it's premature. It's heads above the rest (pun intended, i am horrible with jokes).
Vendetta
Yes... when I get pissed off at some "boingy boobs" (lightchested!) walking around some crap on tv, I'm accused of being a men-hater, feminist, etc... and generally we end up pissed off at each other. The problem is that I know that when that happens, it's almost always breast-related. He knows that too and it pisses me off even more. But the other day we were watching the movie "Blindness" and there's this part where the dominant group claims that women from the other groups have to offer themselves in exchange for food and well.. we get to see them going to their room and being taken advantage from all these pigs (one of them even gets killed) and my heart was like trying to pop out of my mouth and I started calling men pigs and such... "there you go with that men-talk!" he claims. I'm sorry but... would women ever think or do the same?...

Who are the rapists?
Who are the sexual offenders?
Who are the pedophiles?

Men.

Men-hater? Perhaps.
lightchested
Vendetta,

Heavy.

I know where you're coming from, and there's no more I can say than what you already did.

And I hate when men try to silence us for speaking our minds, spitting out the word "feminist" as though it's a synonym for "bitch".

Karma. It's all we've got. Maybe they'll be women in their next lives. Maybe then they'll see why we say these things, because they'll be saying them too. (Not that it does us any good now.)
RandyBrador
OK, my first entry on my first day here. I don't know where all the generalizations have come from. Not everyone likes pizza, not everyone likes the beach, and not everyone likes big breasts. I'm one of those guys that was never quite amused by enowed women. (Sort of like the women that may not be so engrossed in an endowed man.) Then when I became of drinking age (30 years ago) I went to a strip club and noticed that "hands down" the smaller breasted women made a lot more money. I realized that I wasn't a freak at that time and we just all have preferences. In closing, I guess I believe that we are all different for a reason and I think we all search for the things we prefer. But what we are not the right fit for one, we will be the perfect fit for another.
mynameislala
QUOTE(lightchested @ Jan 6 2009, 01:37 PM) *


Now for the issue you brought up: that you perceive a competitive disadvantage for a smallie to catch a mate with all of our boingy-boobed counterparts habitating our same earth. Yes, I'll admit, that is very annoying. Those Boingy Boobs not only seem to collect men like loose change at the bottom of a purse, but they have the nerve to complain about "unwanted male attention". My sister is one, in fact, and while she gets tons of "unwanted male attention", I "enjoy" the gift of being invisible. If only I could turn it into a superpower somehow and save the earth with my powers of invisibility amongst mankind. But I stray.

I will admit, I do think we are seen (or not seen!) differently because of our "light of chest" situation. My Boingy Boobed sister and cousin told me over Christmas that they have NEVER been written a ticket (e.g. for traffic violations), though they've been pulled over plenty of times. Hmmm. I spent December 18 in a Detroit court fighting for my right to text while driving (I lost. There goes $160 worth of bra money. At the La Senza sale in Canada right now, that could have bought me 16 bras!)



Yes! I thought I was the only one who though that the "Oh, honey, I get so much UNWANTED ATTENTION! You don't want that!" was annoying.

How do they know what we want? At the very least, while I wouldn't like unwanted attention all the time, I'd like to have big breasts sometimes only to feel a bit more secure if my guy would ever take a peek at one of those who don't want the attention, yet wear low cut or very tight tops. How pathetic is that? that sometimes I'd like to have big ones only to feel I'm not competing?

In my opinion these women (ok, some of these women...) do want the attention but say they don't only to not end up seen like whores. Because really "I don't want the ATTENTION! Oh, poor me!" but there she is wearing HUGE cleavage. I'm not saying all big breasted women are like this, but a lot of them are. Gee, enjoy the advantages you have. Like the speeding ticket thing. It can't be just a coincidence. And if you don't want the attention then be a woman and go to the pervert, look up to him and tell him something like "Stop looking at me you sick pervert! I'm not a piece of meat!".

I'm sorry if any big breasted woman thinks I'm bitter, because I am. I'm sorry if I offended you, but these days I've felt pretty bad about my breasts (which aren't that small - a small B). If I lost weight to be as acceptable as Hollywood girls, then I'd be flat! You know, these women are stick thin with big B or C cups. Which is unattainable for most of us anyway. So I'm not gonna go and lose weight. Because big breasted women always say "Oh, but look at sitcoms, most actresses don't have big breasts". Yeah, right. They may not be Ds or DDs, but they usually are like Cs which is BIG compared to what most of us are. Sure, I may be a B, which is a bit more popular on TV. But women with small breasts who complain about not being represented are right. How many AAs or As do you see on TV? How many of them are portrayed as sexy characters with a lot of luck in their love lives? Now, how many flat chested jokes do you hear when such a woman is in a show?

I'm starting to believe that nowadays, even Cs or Ds are small... because people have grown so accustomed to seeing DDs or above. Trust me, some people (men especially) are starting to think that Ds are average or medium sized... and some people claim that Cs are SMALL. Since WHEN?

And Jesus Christ, some men talk the same bullshit. Like "oh, but women in shows aren't really big breasted!". Yeah right. And also, it's not only about shows. What about Axe ads? What about shows like Two and a Half men? What about stupid movies like Bachelor Party 2? Or shows like Girls Next Door? What about Maxim? God, what about those magazines in the UK or Australia (can't remember) where they had a contest to win a free breast augmentation for your girlfriend? What about this stupid website, AskMen.com, where they had an article on how to convince your girlfriend to get a boob job, and another "brilliant" piece where a man said that in reality (and God forbid he was actually admitting it) breast size doesn't matter, especially when your "cat whipped" but that when you're single, of course it's all about big breasts? And of course their galleries...

And you have the nerve to say that most media portrays small chested women. Give me a break!

Yeah, being invisible is great! Because trust me, nowadays, even a B cup is invisible. Again, i'm sorry if I'm angry, bitter and offensive. But these are my feelings. Just as I have to "accept" and "deal with" the media's depictions of beauty and sexiness, and men's like for it, men and big breasted women will have to accept my feelings of inadequacy and hostility to their stupid crap.

Done, this feels much better...

(BTW, I sense there might be a new MWET around...)
pollystyrene
Is there a link to this thread written on a wall in a men's bathroom somewhere? blink.gif
auralpoison
Le sigh. *head meet desk* Repeat as needed.
Vendetta
Is there a link to this thread written on a wall in a men's bathroom somewhere?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Vendetta
They must think they are doing us a favour!
culturehandy
He's in the oral sex thread, too.

*snorts at polly's comment*
auralpoison
Of course he is, 97.8% of the time those are the only two forums MWETS frequent to give us silly little wimmins the benefit of their vast knowledge of all. The so-called "help" in the depression thread was an anomaly.
Persiflager
*sneaks across from boingy boobed central...*

Lightchested is right (below) - more attention from men? Definitely. More attention from men you'd want paying attention to you? Not so much.

I haven't come over to be all 'poor me', just to say that the opinions of idiots shouldn't be allowed to count. If we lined up a selection of smart, hot, non-chauvinist men I suspect the lascivious glances would be much more evenly spread around. Actually, that's quite tempting...

I also totally agree with all the media bollocks, they're all about the cleavage. But River Tam is hot and kicks ass.

*swings boobs over left shoulder, checks left and right, and crosses the road back to home*
karategrrl
QUOTE(RandyBrador @ Jan 6 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Then when I became of drinking age (30 years ago) I went to a strip club and noticed that "hands down" the smaller breasted women made a lot more money.


I know I may regret responding to this, but I can't help myself...

This guy doesn't sound like he's been to a strip club since then. Even if that were true, it sure ain't the way it is now. That's why implants are pretty much a requirement if you want to make $$ stripping.

Pollystyrene:
Yes, at this very moment, men (many with large afros, European accents, and that smell of cheap cologne and breath spray) must be writing down this web addy from a lonely bathroom stall somewhere...

Ugh.
strongirl
Persiflager, I could see where you could have totally taken offense to some of what has been written in here recently. Thanks for being sweet, insightful, and funny instead.
starship
all the recent posts have made my day. granted, my day has consisted of nowt but essay writing, but still. ..
esp' this-

QUOTE(Persiflager @ Jan 7 2009, 02:07 PM) *
*swings boobs over left shoulder, checks left and right, and crosses the road back to home*


ahahhaa

i actually heart you all
ailurophile
I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt, as he may not realize our real issues here are not only about being jealous of the big girls, but at least he is not telling us that we should strengthen our p*ssy muscles b/c breasts are insignificant. Ya think our p*ssy-lover Ray referred him to us??
auralpoison
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jan 7 2009, 08:21 AM) *
This guy doesn't sound like he's been to a strip club since then. Even if that were true, it sure ain't the way it is now. That's why implants are pretty much a requirement if you want to make $$ stripping.


Word. At my local there's a new dayshift bartender. She's smart, she's cute, she's blonde, she's petite & she has big implant gazongas. I sat & watched & listened to two of the regular guys chat with her & buy shots. She made a joke about over that weekend (because of the Obama rally) she already had the payments for her car & her tits that month. These two guys' jaws dropped. "Like, you can buy them on a downpayment?! Like installments?!" Yup. Implants are just like Chryslers, pal & some strippers write them off as a business expense on their tax returns. They were agog. Before they left, they made sure to get her schedule so they could arrange their drinking around her boobs. She & I both being prodigiously lunged gals, albeit mine are real, just exchanged rolling eyes & head shakes at their expense.

As a well, busty Bustie, I used to not come in here at all because some of you guys said really mean things about us. I went on a rant in the large breast thread about body love, stepped in here for a peek & was really disappointed by some of the attitudes expressed. "Whore" & "slut" were being bandied about. I expect that from men, but when it's your sisters? Oochiewoochie time. (Somebody in here even called out a warning not to go into the big bust thread because I was preaching the body love, *all* body love.) When I mentioned the attitude, I was basically called a liar & told how supportive it was in here. I do think it's a generally supportive forum, I just sometimes think it can get a little ugly towards chesty women. Genetics dealt us all different cards, so I just don't let the ugly bits get to me anymore.

I sometimes wonder if the breast obsession comes from infancy. Y'know, the first visual you identify with "source of nourishment" is that thing that keeps sticking the nipple in your mouth & cooing at you. It's comfort, it's warmth, it's safety.
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