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Allison-Shine
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Sep 24 2009, 02:42 PM) *
Allison-shine, thanks for the laughs! LOL!

-Yup, the middle-aged guy looks like he's reaching into his pocket for that Viagra, and he'll use Edith His Wife as a receptacle while he fantasizes
-The small-breasted blonde looks suddenly bi-curious
-You're right about the dog--I hadn't even noticed that until you pointed it out! He, of course, wants to hump her leg.
-Yes, sailors are gay for sure--not that there's anything wrong with that--and it looks like they're whooping it up more like, "yeah, girl, Go girl!"

Right back at ya for the laughs, your insight made me chuckle too. But I am still convinced the dog was looking at a steak or a doggy treat laugh.gif
angie_21
Hi koffewitch, don't worry, this thread is all about butting in with any topic to do with small boobs, or boobs at all, or body image in general. We're almost always talking about 2 or 3 topics at once anyways. Hope you stick around. It's so true, love what you got while you have it!

I don't know if I should bother explaining my harsh reaction to that ad (which I didn't end up watching because youtube wanted me to sign in because of the "adult theme" and I refuse to sign up for those websites) since I didn't offend anyone. But I don't want to come across as being too uptight to see that the ad was pretending to take a more lighthearted approach to breast cancer awareness. But I already feel like the whole breast cancer fundraising stuff is an industry in itself, the money goes to a lot of things that have nothing to do with medical research, and what research is being done is narrowly focused towards "cures" that will help pharmaceutical companies make money, not those that are necessarily in women's best interests. But I can't help but feel it's offensive to men and women to a) assume men won't care about cancer that might kill their mothers or wives or sisters, but they will care about something that will cause women to look "less sexy." and b ) use young busty women in an ad for a disease that more often strikes women after menopause, and strikes no matter what size your breasts are. Spreading misinformation in an ad that's supposed to promote awareness is irresponsible, and doing it in a way that also objectifies the women they're supposedly helping just pisses me off.

OK, I'm done. I do want to watch the ad to see the sailors though lol
buttercups
Ugh my bf had a party last night with all of his most asshole guy friends. I don't get why he hangs around with such douches but I guess its bc he's been friends with them since childhood. Anyways, I was sitting around with the tool academy listening to them spew their BS when they started talking about this professor at their school. They said they weren't physically attracted to her bc she was "thin with no curves whatsoever". My bf looked over and told me not to listen, but I can't shut off my damn ears! They continued to say how her curveless body was so unattractive but that maybe she could attract them intellectually on some small level, but that wouldn't make up for her lack of curves. At this point, my blood was boiling and I also began to feel so bad about myself. Why why why do I let guys that I KNOW are assholes bring me down?? I guess it just sort of reinforced the mood I've been in lately. When I got home I was fuming ( there was a bunch of other asshole things that were said) and I told my bf that next time he plans on hanging out with them to count me out. I don't need anymore toxic people in my life fucking up my head. Now I'm just trying to get their dumbass opinions out of my mind..
Aithinne
QUOTE(buttercups @ Sep 27 2009, 02:50 PM) *
Ugh my bf had a party last night with all of his most asshole guy friends. I don't get why he hangs around with such douches but I guess its bc he's been friends with them since childhood. Anyways, I was sitting around with the tool academy listening to them spew their BS when they started talking about this professor at their school. They said they weren't physically attracted to her bc she was "thin with no curves whatsoever". My bf looked over and told me not to listen, but I can't shut off my damn ears! They continued to say how her curveless body was so unattractive but that maybe she could attract them intellectually on some small level, but that wouldn't make up for her lack of curves. At this point, my blood was boiling and I also began to feel so bad about myself. Why why why do I let guys that I KNOW are assholes bring me down?? I guess it just sort of reinforced the mood I've been in lately. When I got home I was fuming ( there was a bunch of other asshole things that were said) and I told my bf that next time he plans on hanging out with them to count me out. I don't need anymore toxic people in my life fucking up my head. Now I'm just trying to get their dumbass opinions out of my mind..


And those guys think they're great catches? WOW. And people wonder why women have support groups for these things? For anyone who believes being a curveless woman is all that and a bag of chips... exhibit A: Asshole men from buttercups' story.

Now I'm sad too....
angie_21
Buttercups, when he goes out with these guys, why is it that you end up going with them too? I mean, where are their girlfriends during these outings? Do you go because you want to, because your boyfriend invites you, or just because its a regular part of your week? It seems strange to me that it sounds like you're the only girl in this group, and you're there even though you hate them. I don't really understand why you go in the first place. But yeah, I don't blame you for being pissed. I don't give a rat's fat ass what kind of body type they're into, if the only thing they care about is a girl's body, they haven't progressed since high school and that's very sad and stupid. That's dumb macho guy, locker-room talk is what you're hearing, it has zero basis in reality and the good guys outgrow that kind of thing. While these assholes are saying one thing (and honestly I think they harp on the same body type over and over because they know it bugs you) a million other guys in the world are saying equally horrible things about "fat chicks."

If you don't stop hanging out with these kinds of people, you're always going to be unhappy. You need to find a way to get more intelligent, interesting people in your life, ASAP.
karategrrl
angie, you are right on about breast cancer fundraising almost become an industry. I am conflicted on this--on one hand, I am very glad to see it become SO visible that people shout it loud and clear. On the other hand, I am so fucking tired of all the pink shit for sale. A few years ago, I knew a real-life scientist who went on a rant about how, even with breast cancer visibility, the research dollars are really being spent on developing things like Viagra. Her words: "Flaccid penises are more important than women dying!" It really opened my eyes. I have to say that although we still supposedly have not found a cure for cancer, there are lots more treatment options available now than ever before, and even chemo isn't necessarily the horrendous thing it once was.

buttercups, you totally did the right thing with telling the BF that next time, you aren't going. This is SO what you need to do. I think sooner or later, with that approach, it will become obvious where his loyalties lie. YOU CANNOT LOSE--if he's got only so much free time and he chooses to spend most of it with you, you win--you get his company and you don't have to see the asshat factory. If he chooses them, you are set free to enjoy the company of yourself or another guy who doesn't have dicks for friends. And if he goes out occasionally with the douches without you, be sure you go out and do something fun yourself--see a movie, go shopping with a friend, go to a club, have girl time, etc.--just don't sit home, as it sends a message to him that you have a right to a good time as well, and if you can't have one with him, you will find it elsewhere. Actions speak volumes, and you spoke loud and clear when you stated your boundaries like you did. You go, girl.
buttercups
Thanks Karategrrl, I was definitely fed up ( "asshat factory" hahahahah I love it!). And you are so right that if he goes out with them i need to do something fun too. I usually like to keep some boundaries between my friends and my bf and make adequate time to see them, so it often does end up that ill go out and he'll go do something else.

To answer your questions Angie, none of these guys have gfs- surprise, surprise right? I only went to this party bc it was my bfs family birthday party so I was pretty much obligated to be there. Usually though I do try to avoid them as much as I can and I'll be out with the friends he has that i do like and then unexpectedly some of the asshat factory- as Karategrrl so wonderfully put it- will show up. But I am def going to cut down on going out with them. My best friend goes out with them a lot so I usually try to go to maintain her sanity too, but I am just going to stop doing even that bc their comments affect me so negatively. I've managed to cut out so many other toxic people from life that these people should be no different. It's just too bad that my bf is such good friends with all of them that there are plenty of occasions for us to run into each other... ugh
starship
I'm not really bothered about the breast cancer fundraising industry some of you are talking about, but I just don't see the point of that advert at all. I can't imagine it having any benefit whatsoever. It's clearly aimed at men, and I'm pretty sure the type of man who's the prime target is not the sort of guy who'd suddenly decide to donate to a breast cancer charity. It will make them think of sex not cancer:S. It doesn't inform or educate or even have some kind of emotional impact. Useless advert.

Why do no young girls seem to wear training bras anymore- everywhere i go girls as young as 13 are wearing moulded push-up bras. Even the ones that don't have boobs yet. Childhood just keeps getting shorter

I'm not suprised none of those guys have gfs Buttercups! Despite all the talk I bet most of them would jump at the chance to be with a girl like you- hell, your bf seems to be more than happy:). They were probably just bitching on the girl cos they knew they stood no chance.

Kindof reminded me of how I was talking about how gorgeous audrey hepburn is with a guy I like and he said that its always girls that admire her looks and men arent usually interested, and suggested that it was to do with her being 'boyish'. Im pretty sure he was talking about her boobs. Bummer. He also said she'd probably be stunning in the flesh- which I took to mean that men dont wanna look at pictures of women with small boobs, even if theyd fancy her IRL. Buuut I'm gonna ignore it, cos I still think she's smokin'.
karategrrl
QUOTE(starship @ Sep 29 2009, 12:02 AM) *
Kindof reminded me of how I was talking about how gorgeous audrey hepburn is with a guy I like and he said that its always girls that admire her looks and men arent usually interested, and suggested that it was to do with her being 'boyish'. Im pretty sure he was talking about her boobs. Bummer. He also said she'd probably be stunning in the flesh- which I took to mean that men dont wanna look at pictures of women with small boobs, even if theyd fancy her IRL. Buuut I'm gonna ignore it, cos I still think she's smokin'.

I HAD to comment. Even all these years after her death, Audrey Hepburn is still remembered, loved, idolized. She is known for her talent, charm, intelligence, and presence as a lady of class. That's a hell of a lot more than countless other female entertainers--who capitalize only on their bodies and sexuality--can say.

Let's hear it for depth and character. Hepburn was all that and a bag 'o chips, and all while being "boyish," to boot.
Aithinne
I know! Women like Hepburn are rare gems! I mean, how could a man think this woman looked male or ugly? Makes no sense...

Pics:

Doesn't look like a male figure to me..

Boy? NO!

How about this website? Has a whole bunch of pics.. and I don't see anything masculine about this woman.

I think it's about damn time that our culture change and include women with her figure as women. Every time I hear a male talk about how women who aren't naturally curvy are 'little boys', I want to scream, rip my hair out, and attack their penises until THEY look like LITTLE GIRLS. Then THEY can see how it fucking feels!!! Maybe then people can stop being so fucking insensitive and hurtful. mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

GRRRRRRRR. Sorry all.. This topic is so sensitive to me. It makes me incredibly angry. It makes my blood absolutely boil.



starship
Exactly! and this guy is a fan of Paris Hilton (and says other guys are too). Nothing against the girl (shes kinda small boobed herself) but loook at this!!! :
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0crTBBM3gAc/R1Mw...rey-hepburn.jpg

She's been airbrushed to smitherines and still doesntcome close to the original imo. wtf. I'm pretty sure someone like Paris Hilton couldnt take a photo as simple yet breathtaking as most of the ones of hepburn. It's compensated with makeup, skimpy clothes, airbrushing and unatural suggestive poses. If guys prefer this to audrey hepburn then its no wonder so many of us girls today are ending up with major body issues. I'm not saying I look anything like hepburn etc, but I'd much rather have women like her to aspire to rather than the trashy sexualised celebs of today.

Sometimes I just avoid asking men certain questions because I know their answers will be ones that bug me for ages afterwards.
buttercups
Omg I hate hate HATE when women with figures like audrey hepburn ( or me for that matter!) are referred to as little boys! Or boyish! I have gotten that many times in my life and have also heard it all around me. Its also in magazines where they do features on how to dress for your body type and the woman with small breasts is always included in the body type label "boy figure". There's curvy, petite, full-figured,tall, and what do we get, boy figure! I don't know how they can possibly print that and not think its insulting. Do they seriously think I want to be referred to as a little boy at any point in my life, much less as a grown woman??
Allison-Shine
QUOTE(Aithinne @ Sep 29 2009, 12:43 PM) *
I think it's about damn time that our culture change and include women with her figure as women. Every time I hear a male talk about how women who aren't naturally curvy are 'little boys', I want to scream, rip my hair out, and attack their penises until THEY look like LITTLE GIRLS. Then THEY can see how it fucking feels!!! Maybe then people can stop being so fucking insensitive and hurtful. mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

GRRRRRRRR. Sorry all.. This topic is so sensitive to me. It makes me incredibly angry. It makes my blood absolutely boil.



I used to think the labels that were attached to my slighter figure as being "girlish" or outright being called "a little girl" was bad enough. But "little boys" is indeed the lowest. Fortunately my body changed just enough to not worry about being called a little boy (well maybe when I was 13) and I hardly hear the "little girl" label from those tactless individuals as well. Of course I used to feel like a "little girl" until a few years ago, if affected me to the point where I would not shave my pubic area (but I would trim) since that's how I thought that I would look anyway.

anarch
QUOTE(buttercups @ Sep 27 2009, 04:50 PM) *
listening to them spew their BS when they started talking about this professor at their school. They said they weren't physically attracted to her bc she was "thin with no curves whatsoever". My bf looked over and told me not to listen, but I can't shut off my damn ears! They continued to say how her curveless body was so unattractive but that maybe she could attract them intellectually on some small level, but that wouldn't make up for her lack of curves.


He told you to not listen, but it doesn't occur to him to ask them to not talk like that around you? Or around him, for that matter, I mean, you're his gf so he finds you sexy, so why not call out their trash talking? But particularly since you were right there and he already knows this issue affects your self-esteem. Do you think he'd ever come around to seeing himself say to them, "Guys, I don't agree, and I don't want to hear it. Especially when buttercups is around. It lacks respect. So please cut that shit out around us. Thanks."

I don't mean to diss your boyfriend, I mean I've gotten the impression IIRC that he's a sweetheart in many ways, it just bothers me. WTF are bfs for if they're not going to stick up for the women they love? I know I know, they're his friends. Yeccchhh.

On a different note, the fact that they're objectifying their female professor reminds me of this post from bitch phd, about male students who hate their prof because they're attracted to her.
buttercups
Anarch that is exactly what I want- you nailed it right on the head! We've had so many fights before about him not sticking up for me in front of his tool academy friends. My bf is extremely non-confrontational, esp with his friends- to the point where I had to point out all the things theyve said to me right in front of him bc he didn't know what i was talking about whenever I would mention how mean they were to me. He also admitted to times when he knew he should stick up for me and he just didn't. Some of these boys are racist and they like to talk about jewish people even though they know im half jewish, for ex, and my bf has heard that shit too and also not said much of anything. Sick right? He says he wants to learn how to stick up for me but that it puts him in a hard place. And i'm trying not to be the bitchy girl that makes him choose me over his friends (even though i secretly feel like he should inside..). The point is that you're right, he does know that that kind of talk about "curves" affects me and he might be the only one in the room who knows i have small breasts bc i pad, but thats all the more reason for him to say something before i had to hear the rest of their asshole comments. it does make me angry, im just not sure what to do about it since i dont want to influence him and make him hate his friends, i guess i want him to come to the conclusion that theyre assholes all on his own..but idk if he ever will.
buttercups
Oh one more thing i forgot to add about the attractive female professor thing you mentioned, my sister is a young, attractive professor and she has had sooo many problems with students due to this issue, esp male students. They have made lewd comments and disrespected her authority on many occasions. One time last year a male student even tried to hug her when she was in her office and she was really taken aback and couldnt believe that a student would try to breach a boundary that way, bc it would never have happened with any of the male professors or older, more well-respected female professors. shit like that really pisses me off.
karategrrl
QUOTE(anarch @ Sep 30 2009, 05:12 AM) *
He told you to not listen, but it doesn't occur to him to ask them to not talk like that around you? Or around him, for that matter, I mean, you're his gf so he finds you sexy, so why not call out their trash talking? But particularly since you were right there and he already knows this issue affects your self-esteem. Do you think he'd ever come around to seeing himself say to them, "Guys, I don't agree, and I don't want to hear it. Especially when buttercups is around. It lacks respect. So please cut that shit out around us. Thanks."

OMG, that's a dream guy you describe.

On the topic of the female professor, that's really disgusting and disappointing. Yeppers, for sure, many men are so fucking insecure that an attractive woman (or really ANY woman) in a place of authority drives them nuts to where they have to lower her (at least in their sicko little minds or in talk amongst themselves) to a 'bitch' or someone "who'd look cuter with something in her mouth." Typical, so sadly typical.

In the Sex and the City movie, remember the scene where the two women are looking for Halloween costumes in the drugstore, and the only ones available are "witches or sexy kittens?" What a profound bit a dialogue.
anarch
QUOTE(buttercups @ Sep 30 2009, 06:16 AM) *
Some of these boys are racist and they like to talk about jewish people even though they know im half jewish, for ex, and my bf has heard that shit too and also not said much of anything.


(((buttercups)))

Pukeworthy asswipes, these guys.

QUOTE(buttercups @ Sep 30 2009, 06:16 AM) *
He says he wants to learn how to stick up for me but that it puts him in a hard place. And i'm trying not to be the bitchy girl that makes him choose me over his friends (even though i secretly feel like he should inside..). . . . it does make me angry, im just not sure what to do about it since i dont want to influence him and make him hate his friends, i guess i want him to come to the conclusion that theyre assholes all on his own..but idk if he ever will.


Yep, doing what's right and rising above the lowest common denominator is usually hard. Much easier to keep your head down, not make waves, not say anything that might make the bullies turn their ridicule and contempt on you instead of the target they're already used to using as a punching bag. And so the shitty behaviour goes on and on. This is making me so glad that dating never really happened for me during my teens and 20s. There were long stretches of loneliness, but in retrospect it was much easier for me to get my self-esteem together in the absence of this kind of juvenile dumping on my body image and looks (and then when I turned 30 and had decided to hell with 'em, all of a sudden all these men came out of the woodwork and they were nice and thought about the things I think about, and I could have great conversations with them...it was amazing). It was hard enough to move through those insecurities with just my own inner voice telling me I wasn't good enough. I wouldn't have been able to deal with it coming from the people I hung out with too. Left, right and centre, sheesh.

I hope he comes to that conclusion on his own too, buttercups. So often, people just won't, until somebody they care about makes the consequences very clear: "I'm not living like this. Things have to change." Easier to lay those ground rules before a relationship gets going than after it's already settled into routine, but not impossible, after. I'm so glad you told him you wouldn't hang out with the asswipes. If we don't protect ourselves, who will?

karategrrl, "dream guy" is right. That's the world I want to see, where even 50% of men listen and think about gender stereotypes, the damage they do, and how their own behaviour feeds them. And they don't just quietly go along with the shitty behaviour of men who think that being "men" means putting down women and criticizing their looks and making as many women within earshot as possible feel as shitty as possible. They speak up and tell them their ignorant, macho, carelessly or deliberately destructive words and actions are fucked up, not funny, smart, or impressive, and so "please don't do that here, thanks." Nothing is going to change until more men tell, and show, boys and other men that it's fucked up to think that "being a real man" just means fucking (over) as many women as possible.
starship
argh, my mum was talking about a photo of someone we know wearing a really revealing dress (cutout bits down the side all the way up, not revealing i the breast area or anything) on holiday and I said 'well i guess its no different to wearing a bikini on holiday really' to which she replied 'yeah, and shes had her boobs done too so...' umm, I asked what that had to do with wearing a bikini or a dress which wasnt even showing her boobs off (her arm was infront of them in the pic so i dont see why theyd come into the convo anyway) Her answer- "well ya look better when youve got boobs dont you". Thanks mum. So I have an ugly body that should be hidden away. She always says crap like this. Like the time she 'didnt understand why keira knightly hadnt had a boob job when shes got all that money' as if its compulsory. Dumb bitch. And she always remarks about what a great body the girl in the pic has- shes got stupid plastic fucking tits for gods sake. Its even more annoying that I still cant bring myself to speak out when she says stuff like that- it makes me feel embarassed in the first place and the last thing i want to do is make a big deal out of it and seem over-defensive or get upset infront of her over it. She'd probably go and tell everybody else in the family and i don't want attention drawn to it like its some huge problem i have- embarassing. Its not like she doesnt know I have small boobs and could be offended by it- she points them out enough. Why is she so fucking breast obsessed.
Anyway, this just happened and I came straight on here to have a rant
angie_21
yes to everything anarch said! You're doing the right thing buttercups, I'm so glad you're being strong and taking care of yourself first! If he won't stand up for you, make it clear you're never being in situations like that with him, ever, because it HURTS you and he's too afraid to stop that from happening. If he spends time with them, it's time without you, end of story. Those guys are, sorry to sound judgemental, BAD people. Not all men are like that, not even close. I know so many wonderful, loving, intelligent men who value women as people, not as bodies. I guess it helps that most of the men I know are in their 30s, but even the guys I know in their 20s are at least respectful, even if they're a little less mature about sex.

I've always believed that if you want something, you have to ask for it, and that includes respect from men (and other women too, for that matter). Most people, if you let them walk all over you, they will. If I don't get the respect I demand, I'm outta there.

That really sucks to have to hear that kind of talk from your own family, startship. I don't know what her problem is either! All I can guess is she's taking out her own insecurities on you. Sometimes people have a hard time understanding why others are confident and happy with their bodies, especially when they aren't happy with their own. Sometimes the gut reaction is to try to bring happy people down a notch. It's not nice, but people don't always do it on purpose, and it's not to hurt you, but sadly to make themselves feel better.
Aithinne
Keira Knightly's untouched natural boobies make me proud to be a small breasted woman. Take that culture!
nbdx0645
Hey all, I've been a lurker for quite a while now. I was reading Starship's last post -- and it really resonated with my story about my mom and myself. I activated an account because I'd like to discuss what has been bothering me. I'm very small breasted (I used to be a 34A, but now I am a 34AA. I'm 25 years old.) I've really, really hated them, and the negative attention/comments they received. My mom also gave me a bunch of grief about my breasts. When I was younger, I'd get upset about being 'so different.' She would roll her eyes and tell me that I can get an augmentation at 18. She also told me not to wear low-cut tops or bikinis in public, because it would make it hard for me to find friends/boyfriend. She'd also wear my clothing when I was growing up. Tops would look far better on her than me. She'd walk around the house topless and be so proud of her 34C's. Frankly, it's really uncomfortable to see your mom's boobs. All the time. I knew she didn't like the way I looked, but loved the way she looked. It was like she didn't care about my issues. Or worse, my size offended her. I'd get some jokes from her, and she took me to doctors to 'check and see if I was developing normally' (super embarrassing at 16.) I played volleyball, and the volleyball moms would comment about our size gap. My mom would sell me out and say "she looks almost like me, tee hee!" I'd get really upset all the time. I'd cry a lot. I don't think I've gone a day without thinking about my chest and how others perceive it. I used to be a very confident kid, but it waned when I realized I was done developing. Sometimes I try to convince myself that I'm not done growing.

Fast forward to about 4 months ago. I found out that my mom's breasts are fake. It was the most betraying feeling in the world. I was mad, upset, angry, hurt. She had liposuction, implants, a tummy tuck, and micro-dermabrasion (along with numerous other 'non-invasive' procedures) throughout my life and never told me. I try not to be mad at her. I just can't get over the fact that she made me feel so abnormal and defective. When I asked her if she was sorry for leading me on, or if she was sorry for lying about her surgeries, she said "It was the best thing I ever did, and I am so mad at your dad for telling you. We were going to take this to the grave." They always looked really stiff, but I thought that's what women's breasts looked like when they were really thin.

I thought about seeing a counselor to help me get over my body issues, but my insurance does not have affordable counseling options. Sometimes, I feel like a counselor wouldn't understand. I feel like this thread has helped me out so much, and maybe talking about my story would help someone else, too. My mom did some really, really bad stuff. She isn't sorry for it. I try not to be mad at her because she was doing what everybody else wanted her to do. I brought it up to my boyfriend, and he's always been very supportive, and he suggested that I post on here. Please try to be an advocate for girls (and women) to talk to. I'm going to try to feel better about my body, and I hope we all can do that, too. I know it feels good to hate, sometimes.
Aithinne
QUOTE(nbdx0645 @ Oct 3 2009, 05:31 PM) *
Hey all, I've been a lurker for quite a while now. I was reading Starship's last post -- and it really resonated with my story about my mom and myself. I activated an account because I'd like to discuss what has been bothering me. I'm very small breasted (I used to be a 34A, but now I am a 34AA. I'm 25 years old.) I've really, really hated them, and the negative attention/comments they received. My mom also gave me a bunch of grief about my breasts. When I was younger, I'd get upset about being 'so different.' She would roll her eyes and tell me that I can get an augmentation at 18. She also told me not to wear low-cut tops or bikinis in public, because it would make it hard for me to find friends/boyfriend. She'd also wear my clothing when I was growing up. Tops would look far better on her than me. She'd walk around the house topless and be so proud of her 34C's. Frankly, it's really uncomfortable to see your mom's boobs. All the time. I knew she didn't like the way I looked, but loved the way she looked. It was like she didn't care about my issues. Or worse, my size offended her. I'd get some jokes from her, and she took me to doctors to 'check and see if I was developing normally' (super embarrassing at 16.) I played volleyball, and the volleyball moms would comment about our size gap. My mom would sell me out and say "she looks almost like me, tee hee!" I'd get really upset all the time. I'd cry a lot. I don't think I've gone a day without thinking about my chest and how others perceive it. I used to be a very confident kid, but it waned when I realized I was done developing. Sometimes I try to convince myself that I'm not done growing.

Fast forward to about 4 months ago. I found out that my mom's breasts are fake. It was the most betraying feeling in the world. I was mad, upset, angry, hurt. She had liposuction, implants, a tummy tuck, and micro-dermabrasion (along with numerous other 'non-invasive' procedures) throughout my life and never told me. I try not to be mad at her. I just can't get over the fact that she made me feel so abnormal and defective. When I asked her if she was sorry for leading me on, or if she was sorry for lying about her surgeries, she said "It was the best thing I ever did, and I am so mad at your dad for telling you. We were going to take this to the grave." They always looked really stiff, but I thought that's what women's breasts looked like when they were really thin.

I thought about seeing a counselor to help me get over my body issues, but my insurance does not have affordable counseling options. Sometimes, I feel like a counselor wouldn't understand. I feel like this thread has helped me out so much, and maybe talking about my story would help someone else, too. My mom did some really, really bad stuff. She isn't sorry for it. I try not to be mad at her because she was doing what everybody else wanted her to do. I brought it up to my boyfriend, and he's always been very supportive, and he suggested that I post on here. Please try to be an advocate for girls (and women) to talk to. I'm going to try to feel better about my body, and I hope we all can do that, too. I know it feels good to hate, sometimes.


All I can say is that your situation with your mom sounds so incredibly unloving, selfish, and wrong that I almost have a hard time believing that a mother could behave in such a way.

Your body is perfect the way it is. Your mom, sad to say, is a complete bitch with zero motherly instincts at all. As I see it, it seems almost easy to disregard the ramblings of someone so uncompromisingly mean. Someone with more humanity would be more credible if they said there was something wrong with you. But, a person with humanity wouldn't say there is anything wrong with you because there isn't. A person with so little compassion as your mom is clearly wrong and hypocritical in stating that there is anything wrong with you. Sounds like she has a mountain's worth of problems and likes others to wallow in as much misery as herself. The best thing you can do is not take the bait (which she seems to be doing very clearly.. baiting you into being just as miserable with your body as she is with hers).

Your mom sounds like a worthless hag. You are far better than her on the scale of humanity. I wish you the best of luck and hope you stick around.

Perhaps I can actually come up with some advice when I can finally wrap my head around how inconceivably insensitive your mother is.
nbdx0645
As time goes on, I pity her. She has numerous health complications that may be linked to her implants, but she puts the blame on the rheumatic fever she had as a kid. Her hair is falling out, and she can't exercise without severe pain. My dad left her because she slept with his best friend and had greed issues (namely with money). She says she 'means well' and sometimes she does, but she lies too much to be trusted.

The strange thing was that I thought we were best friends for most of my life. I thought she was trying to help me with my body. It was comforting to know that I could get implants to change the way I looked, and the quick fix could get people to love me. My mom also dealt with anorexia and bulimia for most of her life, as well. She was a 'good mom' when other people were watching. When she couldn't receive praise from someone, she'd be selfish and cold. I went in the opposite path she did. I want to help others feel better about their bodies. I want to stop listening to what other people think. It's just so hard to shut those people out when you don't really like what you're standing up for.

To follow the latter portion of the recent posts: I really, really hate the 'implanted' look and how people think that it's a requirement if you fall between the AAA--B range. I believe that more and more people are able to spot this look and reject it. It's similar to the web 2.0 design aesthetic when it made its debut. Everybody started to copy it, and now it became trite and cliche. I felt like implants were the answer until I did more research and found images of necrosis, symmastia, and capsular contracture. I feel so bad for those women.
Aithinne
QUOTE(nbdx0645 @ Oct 4 2009, 09:04 AM) *
To follow the latter portion of the recent posts: I really, really hate the 'implanted' look and how people think that it's a requirement if you fall between the AAA--B range. I believe that more and more people are able to spot this look and reject it.


Yes, I do think in a strange way the whole breast implant thing has had a roundabout positive affect in those women who choose not to get them. It's made people start to realize that women will ultimately be happier, healthier, and more lovely as they naturally are. I definitely have more appreciation for the vast variety of body shapes as people have been moving toward looking all the same in recent years. I think breast implants will always be around, but I do also think that this breast implant fad will taper off soon in the next few years.
strongirl
Wow, if I hadn't read these posts myself I would have said that calling someone's mother a "worthless hag" and a "complete bitch" is a line that should never be crossed...but in this case I really can't help but agree. Reading your posts, nbdx0645, was truly heartbreaking. I can't tell you how much I admire and respect you for achieving the healthier and more balanced perspective that you have when you not only had zero support from your mother but in my opinion, extreme emotional abuse. You are an amazing person to come out of that with any semblence of self-esteem. Good for you! Your boyfriend sounds like a keeper too.

I've said in here before that I think the implant craze is going to fade within the next few years. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.



Aithinne
QUOTE(strongirl @ Oct 4 2009, 12:38 PM) *
Wow, if I hadn't read these posts myself I would have said that calling someone's mother a "worthless hag" and a "complete bitch" is a line that should never be crossed...but in this case I really can't help but agree. Reading your posts, nbdx0645, was truly heartbreaking. I can't tell you how much I admire and respect you for achieving the healthier and more balanced perspective that you have when you not only had zero support from your mother but in my opinion, extreme emotional abuse. You are an amazing person to come out of that with any semblence of self-esteem. Good for you! Your boyfriend sounds like a keeper too.

I've said in here before that I think the implant craze is going to fade within the next few years. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.


I wouldn't normally ever say that about someone's mother either, but dang... that woman is a piece of work. It's such outrageous behavior that it almost doesn't seem true. I agree that it is extreme emotional abuse.
nbdx0645
I feel very relieved that I could talk about my issue to other women. I don't have many women in my life. My female coworkers are great but it's something I couldn't talk to them about. It's a very personal matter. I always talk positively about my body or other people's bodies because I want to promote good body image. I asked my boyfriend how I can get over this and he told me, as a start, to never say anything bad about your breasts out loud. It's really hard, because I do have a sharp wit. Another thing I need to do is to stop trying to 'find my breasts' on other women. It's rare to see a natural AA in public.

As for my mom, I don't think she ever purposefully went out of her way to make me hate my body. I believe she was trying to bury her horrible emotional experiences. She wanted to make her daughter skip the part where she agonized about it for years. I think that she got carried away in her own idea of 'the perfect body' and projected it on to me. It doesn't make it right, by any means, and I don't think I'll ever be able to forgive her for it. Insecurity breeds insecurity.

I believe she may have thought that her advice was like motivating a junkie for a healthier lifestyle. Her life was temporarily "So much better." My dad said it was like she finally overcame severe depression. It didn't last for her, though. She was very self-conscious because she didn't want anybody to know that they were fake. She probably did not tell me about the implants because I would have blabbed it to my friends in high school (which I would have done.) She got them done when I was 3, so it wasn't a change that I noticed. Still, it would have been great to know that I was normal, like her. :/

Her issue was coming from the inside. She never developed her mind or spirit, just her body. It's so surreal to think of it as emotional abuse. I can definitely see it, and I've felt it, but I believed that she was really trying to look out for me in some crazy way. That's what makes it all so very messed up. I can see both things, and sometimes I want to be mad, and other times I want to call her up and try to work through it. I wonder what my mom would have been like if she reached escape velocity from the media.

Just because she couldn't enjoy her form -- doesn't mean I can't. We're related, of course...but we're two entirely different people.
buttercups
Wow nbdx0645, I don't even know what to say. You truly are so strong, stronger than I could be. I have had problems with my family making comments, but nothing like what you've gone through. You are very brave to have come so far without giving in to all that pressure. I really don't know what I would have done. I also wanted to say that we are the same age and the same size, so I can def relate to so much of what you said. It is rare to see a AA in public, but if you saw me in public I wouldn't look like a AA either bc I pad. So maybe there are more of us out there than we think.

I'll be back to post more about this bc I just can't believe what you've gone through, but thanks so much for sharing your story with us. It really means a lot. *hugs*
angie_21
oh wow, nbdx. Your mom sounds like my boyfriend's ex-wife's mother., and that would indeed make her a super-hag. You can't believe how glad it makes me to hear that you overcame her craziness and we smart enough to do the research before getting implants! Thank you for sharing your story with us. Its only by people sharing these kinds of stories that people can understand why it is that small breasts can cause the emotional issues that we sometimes see on this board.

I don't know if I can say anything else... I can't believe you escaped this situation without being completely crazy, you are very strong, and I am so happy to hear that you are wanting to talk here and that we've been able to help you. You are probably right about your mom, what she did wasn't intentionally abusive, she was too busy being wrapped up in her own little world to understand or care how it affected you. It IS very sad that her life is so consumed by her own body, and I wonder what her relationship with her mother might have been like? You do have the right to be angry, but I hope that realising that she had her reasons, however crazy they are, can help you experience the anger but then let go of it, too.. if that doesn't sound too hippy-ish for you!

I'm a 36 A or AA as well (depends on the brand, and really also on how much water I'm retaining at the time) and you'd only see me really looking like an A-cup in public about half of the time. I'm working on doing it more often, but I always struggle with the fact that I can't by the clothes I want without padding to make them fit right. BUT my new fave swimsuit is completely un-padded, so I do "represent" at the beach lol
starship
I concur with everyone else on the 'wow' ndbx. It was great to read about someone else with an unsupportive mother but who still has such a positive outlook, really inspiring:). Hope you stick around and don't go back to lurking. My mum tells me not to wear certain things too. Like a few days ago we went shopping and i tried on a top i really liked that was quite low but not insanely. She told me it looked awful because it made me 'look really flat'. I had a push up bra on and didnt look half as flat as im capable of! Didnt buy it because i knew she'd make little comments every time i wore it. She also sells some stuff online sometimes and always asks me to 'model' the clothes for the pictures. But whenever she asks me she always says things like 'go and get your bra on then (as in a padded one) before i take the pictures' Or if im feeling crappy (because of her comments) and dont want to she'll try and convince me with so-called encouragement like 'dont be silly, put some chicken fillets in and itll look great'. as though nothing could look good on me the way i am and everythings better with boobs. And worse, if something doesnt suit/fit me she'll say how its a shame we couldnt get *insert name of one of my far bustier cousins here* to wear it because 'their figure wouldve looked great in it' or more bluntly 'she's got big boobs'. I'm so glad that she never had the money to buy breast implants like your mother because I seriously would have found it unbearable. Even when she was slim and younger she had bigger boobs than me (full A/small B whereas Im a AA) but I think she mustve had issues with them, especially as her 2younger sisters were more well-endowed. But I just cant get my head round why mothers who've been through this themselves arent more supportive or understanding of their daughters. I can't imagine saying any of these things if I ever have a daughter of my own, infact i'd go out of my way to enforce the kind of messages I've gotten from this board and make sure she doesnt feel this way. I just don't get it. She can't get her head around the idea that even if I had all the money in the world I would not have a boobjob and that I don't look up to women with fake boobs as having some amazing body that i should aspire to.
I'm actually starting to think that way more people have A or smaller breasts than I thought. If you look at amature porn-type sites then theres always way more smaller ladies than if you look at the professional stuff/general advertising etc. And the fact that so many people are having breast enlargement/buying A-cup padded bras shows that its not just some tiny minority out there. I think theres just a lot of well hidden A-cups walking around. I know a lot more people have bigger cup sizes nowadays, but they also have the bigger band sizes to match. Surely Skinny women with more than a C-cup are the minority- not ones with AA/A/Bs :S
karategrrl
OMG, I don't check the board for a few days, and all hell breaks loose! laugh.gif

Holy crap, ladies, the mean-mom shit is really horrible. nbdx0645, I agree with what someone else here said (sorry, I forget who) about how you have to consider the inner hell your mom must live with and consider that in order to release your own hurt feelings. Don't get me wrong--the things she'd said are HORRIBLE, and what you and buttercups have had to deal with from your own moms is just shameful--emotional abusive for sure. Your moms obviously have a lot of inner demons and they somehow feel that unleashing some of those little fuckers on you will somehow lessen their own pain/insecurities. I don't condone their behavior but I do feel sorry for anyone who feels so bad about themselves they're willing to chip away at their own child to "gain" nothing more than a fleeting feeling of superiority. What shines though to me, though, is how amazing you two are to rise above that mindset, fight it, work hard to love yourselves "as-is," and also have the courage to reach out and find support (like our little online community) when you need it. I have come to the conclusion that some of the best things we learn from our parents is how NOT to be.

QUOTE(starship @ Oct 5 2009, 02:05 PM) *
I'm actually starting to think that way more people have A or smaller breasts than I thought...I think theres just a lot of well hidden A-cups walking around.


I think so, too, starship. I think our representation just on this board is probably a microcosm of what's really out there.
koffeewitch
I wanted to jump in on the "more A cups out there than is realized" conversation. I'm probably older than a lot of you guys...I've been wearing a bra for about 25+ years. I feel like now it is extremely difficult to find un-padded bras other than sport bras. I really feel it didn't used to be this drastic...that practically ALL the "fashion" bras are padded or push-ups.
Aithinne
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Oct 5 2009, 10:32 AM) *
Holy crap, ladies, the mean-mom shit is really horrible. nbdx0645, I agree with what someone else here said (sorry, I forget who) about how you have to consider the inner hell your mom must live with and consider that in order to release your own hurt feelings. Don't get me wrong--the things she'd said are HORRIBLE, and what you and buttercups have had to deal with from your own moms is just shameful--emotional abusive for sure. Your moms obviously have a lot of inner demons and they somehow feel that unleashing some of those little fuckers on you will somehow lessen their own pain/insecurities. I don't condone their behavior but I do feel sorry for anyone who feels so bad about themselves they're willing to chip away at their own child to "gain" nothing more than a fleeting feeling of superiority. What shines though to me, though, is how amazing you two are to rise above that mindset, fight it, work hard to love yourselves "as-is," and also have the courage to reach out and find support (like our little online community) when you need it. I have come to the conclusion that some of the best things we learn from our parents is how NOT to be.


Amen sister. Couldn't have said it more perfectly.
Allison-Shine
Discussing or dealing with your body issues among family members can be difficult, even if you have a mother who is caring and supportive like mine was.

I got the "short end of the stick" in the height, curves and breast area among my mom, younger sister and other relatives. It was not easy thing to experience, witness or talk about. But when it is your own blood cutting you open and putting salt in your wounds, that's not just low, its downright wrong like in nbdx0645's case.

Fortunately my mom has been great with me but its not always easy to talk about or share such experiences with her, even though I am a woman now in my 20s and have experienced some recent changes to my body (all good mind you).

My 16 year old sister up until now had been the opposite. She was the one who would point out my shortcomings and tease. But I learned to understand that she was simply doing that due to immaturity and competition (sibling rivalry). She is a hell of a lot better now because she had done some mentally growing up, her mental maturity is finally catching up with her body, she is acting more like a grown woman instead of just physically being one. She sincerley compliments me on how I look now and is less looking at me as an older inferior version on our Mother's daughter as much as she used to. But the competition between us still surfaces from time to time.
Aithinne
My mom is kind of the opposite of buttercups and nbdx... She's very supportive and open, but I didn't feel comfortable talking to her even with her being so great. Idk, I felt ashamed that I didn't have perfect self esteem and that I was agonizing over something so trivial in the grand scheme of the world. I felt stupid to feel down on myself, it seemed like going to my mom and/or dad and telling them how I was insecure about my boobs/lack of curves was so dumb that I just didn't say anything. I never felt comfortable with telling them my deeper feelings or being vulnerable because there was much more at stake if my family rejected me than some joe schmo off the street. Still though, hearing about stories of unsupportive mothers and family members makes me grateful for the family I have, even if I have a hard time connecting with them.
strongirl
Yeah, I have to say my mom and I have had our ups and downs but I am feeling pretty grateful right now for the way she responded when I was a teenager bemoaning my lack of breast development. She laughed and said "Males like breasts, period, regardless of size. You'll see!" with a wink. I think that set me up to expect positive experiences and that indeed was what I got.

She herself is very busty, as were her mom and sisters, but during the sixties and seventies while I was growing up that body type was not in style - big breasts, hips and thighs - so they were always sighing over how beautiful and perfect they thought I was, since I was slender and petite. It made me sad that they were made to feel bad about being fat. But I am feeling so much gratitude right now for all the kind and complimentary things they said about my body. I realize after reading this forum how different and awful it can be.

angie_21
My mom was also naturally curvy, and I always assumed I would grow up to look like her. Her approach wasn't necessarily supportive, but it did the job. If I ever complained about how I looked, she got almost angry and would snap, "If you don't realize how lucky you are to look the way you do, you're just being silly. So many women want to have a figure like that, and when you're 40 you'll wish you still did, too." lol I'm only 25 and already her words are coming true.
karategrrl
QUOTE(strongirl @ Oct 5 2009, 11:52 PM) *
Yeah, I have to say my mom and I have had our ups and downs but I am feeling pretty grateful right now for the way she responded when I was a teenager bemoaning my lack of breast development. She laughed and said "Males like breasts, period, regardless of size. You'll see!" with a wink.


That is wicked cool.
buttercups
Ok not to get off topic, but can I just say one thing that really reallyyyyyy gets to me is the Tanner stages. Every semester in one of my medical classes they pull out these damn Tanner stages and say "this is the development of a mature woman" blah blah. Umm...I'm in my mid-twenties and I'm at like a Tanner stage 2- what the hell does that say about me? That I didn't develop normally bc my breasts didn't follow this exact prototype? I mean this is the shit they're teaching physicians, and not once do the professors ever mention that maybe, just maybe, someones breasts may not get to be this huge and they are still fully developed and mature. It just also triggers me and makes me feel so bad like I must be an infantile child bc I didn't reach tanner stage 5. Who the hell came up with this crap and does this mean I'm not normal bc my breasts aren't this big and they don't overlap the skin on my chest at all! I have no fold under my tiny breasts, there never has been one and i doubt there ever will be one, but apparently thats what my breast is supposed to look like if i am fully developed. can someone explain this to me please? i just dont get why we use tanner stages- am i really supposed to classify grown women who might come into my office looking like me as not fully developed??
treehugger
I am SO late to this conversation-but I don't have computer access at work.

nbdx0645, OMG! I feel nothing but disgust for the fact that your mother encouraged such body shame in you!

*just shaking my head.....*

buttercups, the Tanner stages used to get to me too. I used to wonder when I'd get to stage three. More so when I was in high school, I have to admit.

I was born in a strange position-my mom was in her middle forties when I was born (I was TOTALLY an oops child) and so, when I was a teenqager, mom was the age of most of my friend's grandparents, so I felt too distant from her to even talk to her about body-image stuff. She had "old lady boobs" when I was a teenager. (sorry)

***I just realized I probably have not said anything that helps anybody....***

Just commiserating, I guess. ((((small busties))))

In other news, I may soon reach the bra size 40 A! I'm a 38 B now but the band size is getting tight. It's weird, but I don't feel like there's that much extra padding. It's like my rib cage is expanding or something. Anyway, every time I go up a band size I go down a cup size. Yay me.... rolleyes.gif
angie_21
buttercups, I've never heard of the tanner stages before, but after looking them up just now I can tell you that you are being taught some pretty out-dated material. Jebus.

Women's breasts do go through stages of development, but the types described in the tanner stages are kind of irrelevant, it's less about outward appearance and more about the tissue below. Women's breasts go through a secondary stage of development during pregnancy (old-fashioned dumbasses call this reaching full maturity, btw.. because if you don't have kids, you never fully mature. kiss my ass), and they change again after menopause. Hormonal BC and menopause treatments all affect your breast tissue too, obviously. Some people's breasts will go through many of the variations from the tanner stages (at least the ones I read just now) all in a single menstrual cycle!

But anyways, ignore the Tanner stages thing. Its a huge overgeneralization, first of all, secondly, it assumes that your breasts stop changing after puberty, and thirdly, I imagine its modelled (just like everything in a bad biology textbook) on a small population of causian patients, with the results being simplified and idealized to look scientific and clean. nuff said.
nbdx0645
Buttercups, I'd say my left breast is a 2 and my right is a 3. The bottoms of my breasts are slightly fuller than the top, but I don't have a fold at all. It's a very smooth, gradual transition from ribcage, breast tissue, nipple, to collarbone. I think that it would be better to teach the Tanner stages as guidelines. Women who are very small can still produce milk and complete all stages of breast development, even if they don't have nipples or breasts that resemble the Tanner Stage 5.

I used to hope that there was something wrong with me, and the doctors could say, "Oh! You need more of X, Y, Z" and I'd be "fixed" to have full breasts. I try to imagine what my life would be like if I had larger breasts (let's say, a B or a C.) Would I become a superhero? Would I finally be able to do all the things I feel like I can't do? How would I be perceived, then? And how would the women who have very small breasts...view me?
strongirl
I'm not an expert but the Tanner stage info I've read has made a point of saying that the stages have nothing to do with how much fat tissue surrounds the nipple. It's the changes in the nipple and aereola that indicate the Tanner stage, which makes sense since it is the body preparing to be able to nurse a baby which has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of surrounding fat. I think I've said in here before that my little 34A's produced enough milk to nurse an empire! I wonder if these teachers are misusing the whole concept for some perverted reason.

While I was typing this I just saw Angie's post on the topic. That too! So much for Tanner.

Unrelated - Crinoline, I hope you still check in here - I may have already done this but I need to thank you for turning me on to FreePeople clothing. I've scored some hot stuff and now I've gotten 2 catalogs in the mail - they're works of art, I must say. One arrived today and I'm drooling over it - page after page of way cool clothes and gorgeous girls...and every single model looks to be an A or AA cup! Hot hot hot! Also "best use of a cute guy as an accessory"!
karategrrl
Um, yeah, the Tanner stages are a huge generalization. I remember when I was a teen there was a bra manufacturer (Bali, I think) that for awhile had this "revolutionary" sizing thing, where cup sizes were indicated by a picture. Reminds me of the "Tanner stages" pics. I remember looking in the mirror, perplexed b/c I couldn't "match up" to any of their sizes. Ah, the confusion of adolescence. (BTW, does anyone else find the term "breast buds" offensive? Makes me go "Ick.")

I have no under-fold, either. I've said this before but will repeat for the newer sistahs--remember that thing about the "pencil test?" Like, supposedly, you need a bra if you put a pencil under your breast and it stays there. When I did that as a teen, it fell right down. I thought it was supposed to stay there by some power of magic, not the weight of the boob hanging down. Years later I had an "aha" moment and got the joke.

BTW, when I shared the above over lunch with co-workers, my large-breasted co-worker said her college friends in her dorm would challenge her to see how many pencils, pens, books, wallets, etc. she could hold under her breasts. Too funny!!! Ah, fun with your breasts....
edie52
Karategrrl, also on the pencil test- we've talked about it here before but I think it's worth repeating- remember when we were all reminiscing about how we had woefully failed the pencil test, and then some of the large-breasted busties said that they also thought they had failed it, because the pencil stayed in place (they thought it was a test for sagginess, rather than just needing a bra)? I thought it was revealing that most of us, regardless of size, assumed we had failed because we were feeling insecure or unsure about our developing bodies.

I really need new bras, and I'm dreading going shopping. I always wear the same 2 bras, and they've lost a lot of elasticity and are thisclose to falling apart. The Urban Outfitters in my city doesn't sell bras anymore (where I got those 2). I used to wear CK but I haven't found any by them that fit properly in the past few years (remember the ones that came in a box? those were the greatest). And last time I went to a big department store asking if they carried AA, the lady smirked and told me to go to the girls' section. Also, I don't want to order online. Gah.
edie52
Also, I've been enjoying Lily Allen's frequent nudity of late. She has small-ish breasts (definitely bigger than mine) on a figure that's not as waifish as some of the other small celebs (like Keira). I don't have anything against waifs, but I like diversity. She looks cute and natural.

Lily
Allen

Google will turn up many more results for anyone who wants to see more of Lily's boobs. FYI.
strongirl
Edie, your insight about the pencil test is so dead-on. It's like this perfect reflection of how pretty much everyone has self-doubt and insecurity about their body. Pencil falls? You flunk. Pencil stays? You flunk. Stupid pencil.

I agree re. Lily Allen! Love her, her cute tits, and her bad-ass 'tude.

And yes, Karategrrl, that term "breast buds" has a bit of a squirm factor for me, too.
koffeewitch
Wow. I 'm an average cup size and I fail both ways. I'm not big enough to hold the pencil securely nor am I firm enough to keep the pencil from sticking some.

Recently I was watching a Japanese historical film about two women, a mother-in-law and her 20 year old daughter-in-law. There is a scene in the film where both women are positioned next to one another, both with their robes open and bare breasts displayed because of the heat. After the film ended, I rewatched while listening to the director's comments. In that scene he was making a statement using the actresses breasts. The younger woman still had rounder breasts (representing her voracious sexuality) and the older woman (whose breasts were beginning to sag) of course represented a waning sexuality. All these descriptions of breasts and sexual voracity are the directors, not mine.
Up until watching the commentated version, the only thing I had noticed was the beauty in the different shapes of the two women's breasts. I had thought the older woman lovely, like a sycamore tree in autumn. It took a man's perspective to suddenly shift my point of view and even apply it to my own (now increasingly flawed) body.
culturehandy
*delurks*

(((((nbdx0645))))), wow. That's astonishing that your mom would do that.

Just to add to the pencil test, I'd fail. I'd fit in to the bigger boobie thread, but I'd fail.

All you busties just rock!!! It's too bad more people don't think in the way that boobies are just great. I mean, not in an icky way, but breasts are just so neat. I like them regardless of size, shape or anything. I think they're beautiful regardless. I'm just nattering now. I'll go now.

*relurks*
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