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Allison-Shine
QUOTE(just_a_guy @ Sep 28 2010, 02:16 AM) *
The article I referred to earlier was in the NY Times (two of my best friends moved there recently):

FASHION & STYLE | September 02, 2010
For the A-Cup Crowd, Minimal Assets Are a Plus
By CATHERINE SAINT LOUIS
Many women these days want to showcase their small chests, not pad them out. Retailers are listening.


It is great to see a niche be filled (no pun intended please!) and new labels catering to women who are embracing what nature gave them. They must have more confidence than I do and are more comfortable with what they have.

Interesting to see that some of these items are available in my size (34B) so I guess I haven't gotten too big for my britches (or these bras) after all! I guess I am in boobie "purgatory", not entirely small but still smaller in build to many of my peers.

I think if I was a winner of "natures lottery", it would be either the daily number or a scratch-off ticket LOL. At least its something. But some of my closest friends and my younger sister each hit the lotto !
KeraBear
QUOTE(auralpoison @ Sep 27 2010, 11:58 PM) *
I remeber that one article & well because it pissed me the fuck off. It was on the Frisky webpage. They didn't talk to anybody here, they just put it out there & they even quoted Kerabear.


OMG! Geeeeeeeez, thanks for reminding me!! Yeah that sort of made me angry. I mean i know that i am anonymous and pretty much anyone could have read that being on the Internet and all, but still i did not like my story being published elsewhere. i mean, c'mon! ohmy.gif

Allison-Shine
QUOTE(KeraBear @ Sep 29 2010, 09:55 AM) *
OMG! Geeeeeeeez, thanks for reminding me!! Yeah that sort of made me angry. I mean i know that i am anonymous and pretty much anyone could have read that being on the Internet and all, but still i did not like my story being published elsewhere. i mean, c'mon! ohmy.gif



Kera,

You're "famous" now. I know its probably fifteen minutes more than you wanted but yeah, one wants attention from time to time but not that kind !
nbdx0645
Hey all, I found a response to that article on Feministe.
Why a trend piece on small breasts is problematic

I'm not on-board with the article, but I'm really intrigued by the discourse in the comments section. I'm still chugging through the comments left by users. There is a lot of clutter of "who has the worst body type" which doesn't seem to be the best way to discuss the situation. I need to promise myself that I'm no longer going to compare my breasts to someone else's. I can't insert myself into their narrative. I have no idea what it's like to carry a different set of breasts than my own.

Many commenters are suffering with their breasts for a multitude of individual reasons. They can't figure out the disconnect that causes them to feel so ashamed. We'll work through it.
girltrouble
oh, comedy!
karategrrl
QUOTE(nbdx0645 @ Sep 29 2010, 10:59 PM) *
Hey all, I found a response to that article on Feministe.
Why a trend piece on small breasts is problematic

Interesting piece. I, too, stumbled over that ditty about small breasts=small body. Huh? Like one of the commenters, my butt used to be pretty dang big (hence I had the pear shape) but my breasts were always small.

Another person commented on there being cute bras in A, B, and C cups but no larger. As we all know here, that's just not true. Just as hard to find cute shit that fits right in AA and A sizes as it is in DD, K or whatever. It seems like most clothing is just designed for "average" sizes and screw the rest of us. wink.gif

I can't say it's just small busties that have the clothing issues--hubby and I talk about this all the time with clothes--neither one of us is "average"--he wears 2XL and 3XL clothes from the "big guy" store and I'm in the teen stores trying to find "grownup" clothes in S and XS that aren't embellished with spouting whales, rhinestones, "Twilight" characters or other such cutesy shit. wink.gif
auralpoison
* wanders off to find giant shirt embellished with glittery Twilight vamps riding rhinestone spouting whales *

They're gonna be the three wolf moon of 2011!



KeraBear
QUOTE(nbdx0645 @ Sep 29 2010, 06:59 PM) *
Hey all, I found a response to that article on Feministe.
Why a trend piece on small breasts is problematic

I'm not on-board with the article, but I'm really intrigued by the discourse in the comments section. I'm still chugging through the comments left by users. There is a lot of clutter of "who has the worst body type" which doesn't seem to be the best way to discuss the situation. I need to promise myself that I'm no longer going to compare my breasts to someone else's. I can't insert myself into their narrative. I have no idea what it's like to carry a different set of breasts than my own.

Many commenters are suffering with their breasts for a multitude of individual reasons. They can't figure out the disconnect that causes them to feel so ashamed. We'll work through it.


I was also struck by all the different body issues most women were dealing with - of all sizes! Iti s hard to say whether anyone else really has it easier than anyone else because it is true that i guess we can't really understand unless we've walked in someone else's bra so to speak huh?

Even for Allison who is in B cup "boobie purgatory" Such a funny term! LOL! But i see where you are coming from. smile.gif
KeraBear
QUOTE(nbdx0645 @ Sep 29 2010, 06:59 PM) *
Hey all, I found a response to that article on Feministe.
Why a trend piece on small breasts is problematic

I'm not on-board with the article, but I'm really intrigued by the discourse in the comments section. I'm still chugging through the comments left by users. There is a lot of clutter of "who has the worst body type" which doesn't seem to be the best way to discuss the situation. I need to promise myself that I'm no longer going to compare my breasts to someone else's. I can't insert myself into their narrative. I have no idea what it's like to carry a different set of breasts than my own.

Many commenters are suffering with their breasts for a multitude of individual reasons. They can't figure out the disconnect that causes them to feel so ashamed. We'll work through it.


I was also struck by all the different body issues most women were dealing with - of all sizes! Iti s hard to say whether anyone else really has it easier than anyone else because it is true that i guess we can't really understand unless we've walked in someone else's bra so to speak huh?

Even for Allison who is in B cup "boobie purgatory" Such a funny term! LOL! Poor Allison is homeless. She doesn't fit in the small breast thread or the large breasts thread. We should petition BUST to start a "Boobie Purgatory" thread. smile.gif Hang in there, girlfriend.
karategrrl
1.
I'd give a hell of a lot to be in "B cup 'boobie purgatory'" rather than the shopping hell of A-cup land.

2.
"* wanders off to find giant shirt embellished with glittery Twilight vamps riding rhinestone spouting whales *"

LOL! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

3.
Got mighty quiet around here lately. I can almost hear crickets.
KeraBear
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Oct 1 2010, 09:18 AM) *
1.
I'd give a hell of a lot to be in "B cup 'boobie purgatory'" rather than the shopping hell of A-cup land.

2.
"* wanders off to find giant shirt embellished with glittery Twilight vamps riding rhinestone spouting whales *"

LOL! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

3.
Got mighty quiet around here lately. I can almost hear crickets.


Yeah, I hear ya there. It has been pretty quiet all of a sudden. Maybe another guy should pop in! Yeah that would solve that! wink.gif
limousine
Hi all,

Went back and introduced myself in the newbies thread (bad forum etiquette on my part, thank you for not calling me on it). I wanted to say a few things about the past posts. I agree with buttercups feelings towards JAG's post, especially for the length. Also, the comment about his having the smallest chest is not tongue in cheek in this context; its demeaning. With regards to the Feministe article, I was really touched by the "fat and flat" comments in the responses.

Am I the only one who has done this? : last week, I was wearing a long sleeve v-neck shirt. I found myself kinda more flat looking then usual so I decided to stuff my bra to the max to see what I would like with bigger boobs. I think I made it up to a big C since I used hand towels. With that shirt, I really didn't find that I looked so different. I then tried my contraption with a thick and I was blown away by how different my body looked. Anyways, it provided some relief because I figured that surgery would only be useful sometimes with my clothing. I don't own any padding, so I was thinking of buying some 30$ big silicone breast shape insert for those nights I wanna sex it up at the bar. Worth it?

Take care - limousine
nbdx0645
QUOTE(limousine @ Oct 3 2010, 11:27 AM) *
I don't own any padding, so I was thinking of buying some 30$ big silicone breast shape insert for those nights I wanna sex it up at the bar. Worth it?


Hi limo, I've got some breast forms from VS. I don't wear them because, for me, it's way too much vavoom! I'd say the inserts will give you a 1 to 1 1/2 cup size difference, so you might need to buy a larger bra. I wore the inserts once, to a karaoke bar, and I didn't like the size.

I'm not sure if this should go in a PM, or if the Lounge has a marketplace, so I apologize if it's in the wrong area. Perhaps this post can help out others who are thinking about purchasing inserts.

The inserts are gel-filled with two different types of gel. There is a firmer gel that touches the breast, and then a more pliable gel that makes up the rest of the insert. (See pics below) It's sealed seamlessly. The inserts warm up to your body temperature, but if you sweat, they get slippery.

I quickly took some quick pics of the inserts:
Insert in hand, my glove size is S
Insert being squished
Inserts in 34A bra (S.O. Junior's bra, light/moderate lined, runs smaller-than-average) The forms fill up the entire cup.
Insert pair

They retailed for $59 when I bought them, but I'd be fine selling them for $35. Do some poking around online, there's a ton of other insert styles available, and let me know if you'd be interested. Again, many apologies if this is not in the correct thread.
discowombat
QUOTE(nbdx0645 @ Oct 3 2010, 04:08 PM) *
Again, many apologies if this is not in the correct thread.


Personally I am fine with it being in this thread. I find it useful as I'm still trying to find a more petite sized pair of them myself. I had bought a one size fits all pair, and I found that they stuck out of my bra cups (I tried them with a few 32A bras I had at the time). I know it says to use them with full coverage bras for best results but when you are as limited by size as I am that was an impossible task. If you do try them out be sure you are wearing a snug band size otherwise there's a bigger risk of them moving around and falling out. I'm sure they be great if you could meet those requirements, but if not you'll probably be a bit disappointed like I was.
strongirl
Holy cow, I had no idea my post on evo psych would be so inflammatory! Apologies...but in a way I think it was productive, sort of.

There was much written and while I could respond to many things there was one main thing that I'd like to say about it: if anything or anyone in here makes Buttercups (or any small-breasted Bustie, but she really articulated it) feel less safe and welcome, then that is contrary to the purpose of this place. Period.

One other thing - Angie, welcome back! Your posts were as insightful and fabulous as always, what a joy to read your clear-headed, logical, well-informed stuff again. Yay!

Small-breasted hottie alert: Just got the current Outside magazine at the grocery today. Yum and yay! Profiles of several cutting-edge female athletes, and their bodies are strong, lean, muscled, and gorgeous! Check it out! Looking at chicks like them is so inspirational to me because I can look like that and I want to look like that. Unlike the Kim Kardashians and Christina Hendricks of the world, who came from a different planet than I did, maybe even a different solar system!
karategrrl
Hey ladies,

Just shopping online and found a bra that looks suitable for us small busties in the U.S.:

bra

I haven't tried it; just thought I'd share! And it's reasonably priced.
karategrrl
QUOTE(strongirl @ Oct 5 2010, 02:36 AM) *
Small-breasted hottie alert: Just got the current Outside magazine at the grocery today. Yum and yay! Profiles of several cutting-edge female athletes, and their bodies are strong, lean, muscled, and gorgeous! Check it out! Looking at chicks like them is so inspirational to me because I can look like that and I want to look like that.

I hear ya totally. That's why I have a girl crush on Dara Torres. wink.gif

...5 minutes later...

Okay, I just Googled Christina Hendricks images feeling inadequate and found one of her naked in a shower. From the neck up, she is beautiful. But shit, I like my breasts soooo much better! No offense to anyone, but that gave my day a lift (no pun intended). Think I'll go to the bathroom and admire my A-cups now...
karategrrl
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Oct 5 2010, 11:57 AM) *
I hear ya totally. That's why I have a girl crush on Dara Torres. wink.gif

...5 minutes later...

Okay, I just Googled Christina Hendricks images feeling inadequate and found one of her naked in a shower. From the neck up, she is beautiful. But shit, I like my breasts soooo much better! No offense to anyone, but that gave my day a lift (no pun intended). Think I'll go to the bathroom and admire my A-cups now...


I have to add that, however, I do like that Hendricks gets press and gets noticed, as she represents the fuller-figured, curvy gals. I'm all for body diversity.
starship
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Oct 5 2010, 12:57 PM) *
Okay, I just Googled Christina Hendricks images feeling inadequate and found one of her naked in a shower. From the neck up, she is beautiful. But shit, I like my breasts soooo much better! No offense to anyone, but that gave my day a lift (no pun intended). Think I'll go to the bathroom and admire my A-cups now...


If it's the same picture I found then it's a photoshop fake. I don't think she's ever done topless. The only thing I don't like about her is the fact that any online article I've read about her is always smothered with comments about 'real women' and how men don't want women looking like little boys blah blah
starship
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Oct 5 2010, 12:57 PM) *
Okay, I just Googled Christina Hendricks images feeling inadequate and found one of her naked in a shower. From the neck up, she is beautiful. But shit, I like my breasts soooo much better! No offense to anyone, but that gave my day a lift (no pun intended). Think I'll go to the bathroom and admire my A-cups now...


If it's the same picture I found then it's a photoshop fake. I don't think she's ever done topless. The only thing I don't like about her is the fact that any online article I've read about her is always smothered with comments about 'real women' and how men don't want women looking like little boys blah blah
buttercups
ugh starship things like that annoy me to no end! Hate when people say small-breasted gals represent little boys in any way or when magazines refer to body types like ours as "boy-shaped" or "boyish" or whatnot. It makes me want to go up to these people and whip off my pants and ask them how boy-shaped they think i am now! Wish we didn't have to promote other body types at another one's expense.
limousine
I completely agree with both of you starship and buttercups!

Although I've been feeling much better about my chest in the past weeks, those boyish comments make me want to wear a white t-shirt and no bra since I apparently have "no breasts". Gee, why bother with a bra? Let me say that no one has reacted like I was a boy when I've tried this tactic. Au contraire! Makes me wonder, which one is it?

I think that is one of my concerns, about the confirmation of having a "chest" which is apparently code for being a "real woman" in this society (ref: buttercups comments on pulling down her pants lol). My insecurities, and this is what they are, are pushing me to find confirmation that my breasts are ok, which they are. Those boyish comments don't confirm it, hence the frustration with them; the braless tactic does, hence my "let me show you" attitude. I only speak for myself on this one, as perhaps it is only a stretch on my experiences.
karategrrl
QUOTE(limousine @ Oct 6 2010, 01:36 AM) *
I think that is one of my concerns, about the confirmation of having a "chest" which is apparently code for being a "real woman" in this society (ref: buttercups comments on pulling down her pants lol). My insecurities, and this is what they are, are pushing me to find confirmation that my breasts are ok, which they are. Those boyish comments don't confirm it, hence the frustration with them; the braless tactic does, hence my "let me show you" attitude. I only speak for myself on this one, as perhaps it is only a stretch on my experiences.

Ugh, I SOOOOO hear ya, ladies, on the "boyish" bullshit. I have a butt, twat, girl voice and face and a billion other things that clearly make me NOT boyish. Why must people zone in on the breast size as the one and only indicator of femininity? Reminds me of a documentary I saw once--and pardon me if I am repeating myself--but they followed teen girls through the breast augmentation process, and one of them (upon regaining consciousness after the surgery) said, "I've got boobs! I'm a woman!" Like she wasn't before. Bleargh.

Wow, if that Christina Hendricks pic is a fake, it's a good one! She is pretty but I do find myself staring at her chest.
nbdx0645
It's always frustrating to see that small boobs, somehow, reflect that our personalities and mannerisms are more masculine. It's such crap. Our bodies do not determine our disposition. And if anyone wants to see a "12-year-old boy" get arrested for being topless on the street, they can watch me flash a cop. (As long as they pay for my ticket and a steak dinner.)

It is good for our sanity to remember that every breast form has been sneered at by someone, because many shallow individuals can't grasp that 1.) what they like isn't universal and 2.) natural breasts are not chosen by the wearer; it is determined by a multitude of factors that women can't control.

This also applies to comments that say you need to "make up for" your breasts. I've seen well-meaning comments turn into cutting statements. "I have a nice ass and a cute face so it makes up for my breasts." "My man is a leg man so breasts doesn't matter" "At least someone isn't dating you because of your breasts." I used to say these things until I realized how much they hurt. We don't have to try harder or be better because of something that really isn't better or worse. This last month has been so rough for me. Blah, it's hard when your small breasts become a huge issue.
buttercups
Absolutely ladies, totally agree with everything!

nbdx you just made me realize how much we do make excuses for our breasts and how much everyone else does too. Like guys saying girls with small boobs will be better in bed because they have to compensate. What the f**k is that?! And then anytime I'm great in bed I'm perpetuating that myth I guess, better start being terrible!

Or what about my favorite one: "least you don't get all that unwanted attention from guys" as though I am completely invisible to the heterosexual male. Like I could walk around stark naked and no one would blink an eye because I have small boobs so I won't be getting any attention. Well I hate to break it to you people but getting negative attention from guys is unfortunately part of the female experience in this world. Not saying I'm some hot supermodel having guys hit on me inappropriately all the time, but I have had guys "catcall" me from time to time. May be rarer than if I was stacked, but it has happened believe it or not. And being told I am essentially invisible, be it from bad or good attention, doesn't exactly make me feel great about myself. Not that I want to have gross men drooling over me, but I don't want to hear that my smalll boobs are some kind of on-the-streets man repellent either!
karategrrl
OMG nbdx and buttercups, I was smiling and laughing all the way through reading your posts. I SO agree on everything. And you know you're right about the "compensation" crap. I now realize how absurd those comments are. One (male) asshat I used to know said that, in his experience, small-breasted women were usually better in bed b/c they didn't just lay there and let their large tits be the allure. Doesn't really say much for large-breasted women, now does it? (...Then again, I just remembered a couple of stories guys told me about women totally using their breasts to try and lure them...I guess we use what we've got...)

And I myself am guilty of saying, in the past, that my small breasts have served me well since they filter out the asshole guys. I realize that's a dumbass thing to say, since it infers that: 1) only asshole men like large breasts; 2) if man finds me attractive, he's interested in something "deeper" than appearances (which may not even be the case); and 3) I could not attract someone with my breasts alone, just as they are.

...and I feel bad about my previous post about Christina Hendricks (the naked shower photo--wheter it is really her body or not). I hope it did not come off as derogatory. I think all kind of bodies and breasts are in their own way lovely and one of the wonderful things about humanity and physcial attraction is that there is always someone out there who will totally be turned on by your body and whatever it is you have. I guess it is my trying to "think positive"... when I see large, pendulous breasts there's a part of me in total awe, wondering it would feel to carry them around, how it would be to dress them up in hot bras and sexy clothes. Then there's the part of me that goes "Well, I'm streamlined," and "Hey, at least I can go braless if I want," Mine will never sag," and all those other positive, look-on-the-bright-side things.

"I used to say these things until I realized how much they hurt. We don't have to try harder or be better because of something that really isn't better or worse. This last month has been so rough for me. Blah, it's hard when your small breasts become a huge issue."

Well said!!! And I'd pay good money to watch you get arrested. And I'd buy you dessert to go with that steak. tongue.gif
Persiflager
*delurks*

With all this talk of 'making up' and 'compensating' and whatnot.... where do we get this idea from that we owe anyone anything when it comes to our bodies?

I've always been a guilty fan of Trinny and Susannah, but you've just made me realise how f'ed up the basic concept is.

"Hi! I apologise for my -2 legs, but I think you'll find yourself more than happy with my +3 bum and +1 hair!"

*relurks to continue rant in large-booby thread.....*
KeraBear
Oh yea I soooooooo know what you all mean. I hate the boyish comments too for sure! My lil sis in particular likes to tease me by suggesting that she is more woman than i am just because she is rocking the Cs. I just punch her in the boob. It makes me feel better. LMAO! No. Being a woman is all about attitude. Maturity - something she seems to seriously lack sometimes.

It also bothered me for the longest time when people would use the phrase "you are a woman now" when it comes to girls getting their first period. How is that supposed to make lil Kera feel when she was 15 and the only one of her friends (and her grade it seems) who has not experienced that? Does that mean that the 11 year old down the street who had just gotten hit with it is more a woman than i am? I think not!!!!!!! Ha ha... i figured since everybody else was ranting, i should too.

I know what you mean Karategrrl. I am pretty much in utter complete awe of my sister's rack and sometimes daydream about what it would be like to carry those around for a day (real cleavage... without trying, yay!). And i fight back by making comments to make me feel better - " At least mine won't sag when i am older." "I can go braless, can YOU?" "I can run with no bounceage. So THERE." But really how would that help things in the long run? Not so much. Plus i should not drop to her level of bratiness. smile.gif

Persiflager... LOL! SO true though.
karategrrl
Kera, it sucks to have the big-boobed challenger in your life be your SISTER. I mean, I can at least walk away from these girls when I see them, but it's hard to escape family.

If you ever get tired of your comebacks or feel they've list their impact, you might also try just agreeing with her with great enthusiasm. It feels weird at first but I have to say I've tried this approach to those never-ending exchanges and it really disarms folks. Like, they can't argue. They know you're not really in agreement but you take all the excitement out of the exchange for them. --just a thought on how you might "deflate" her...heh.

It DOES seem like her maturity hasn't kept up with her breast development. wink.gif
KeraBear
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Oct 8 2010, 01:43 PM) *
It DOES seem like her maturity hasn't kept up with her breast development. wink.gif


LOL! yea no doubt. I will have to remind her of that the next time she gives me crap about it. laugh.gif

Hmm... enthusiastic agreeal... never thought of that... you really think that might work? I'll give it a try. smile.gif
strongirl
Buttercups, I'm pretty sure you were just being facetious but I did want to say that your behaviour during sex should be about your desires and pleasure and those of your partner(s) and have nothing to do with representing the small-breasted community in any way.

While I do try to celebrate the beauty in all body types, I have to confess to preferences and I think it is OK to have them. As a bi woman, I prefer guys with six-pack abs over guys with big bellies, and I prefer girls with small perky tits and supersensitive nipples over girls with big pillowy bosoms. Which is not to say I would not be attracted to someone who doesn't fit that - I have and could. But I think it's OK to have preferences and I think it's OK to appreciate certain specific qualities of different body types, be it perkiness or jiggliness or whatever.

I think it's fine to look in the mirror and go "Yay, no sagging or stretchmarks!" - I don't think that has to take anything away from big-breasted chicks and I don't think it has to take anything away from us when they look in the mirror and give the big girls an affectionate shake.

On the buxom girls who can't shut up about it, though, I recently was at a bar with that friend I've mentioned in here before and sure enough, she maintains her record of being 100% consistent in having to have her boobs be a topic of conversation. While I find it tiresome, I feel sorry for her - she's gotta be even more obsessive about it than we are, LOL. And adding to my feeling bad for her - somehow the topic of birth control came up and I mentioned that I'd only been off it for 2 weeks of my entire 30+ years of reproductive life, during which I became (intentionally) pregnant. Turns out she's been off of it for 5 years now and trying to conceive with no luck. I felt bad about flapping my trap, since she's obviously sad about being infertile. But it also puts the lie to the whole evo psych concept that big-boobed women are attractive because of their obvious fertility. Ironic, eh?

koffeewitch
I hope I'm not derailing an on-going topic with this thought...but here goes. I watch a lot, a LOT of foreign films. And just like with imported magazines one of the first things I notice is that the women are often much more natural-looking. There is no need for every little mole to be covered or to bring a body double in because the leading actress has a little cellulite. So, I see many more A/B cups out there...in fact a majority. I remember reading that the "average" cup size in the U.S. used to be B before the nation started getting fatter. Anyway, the women who are labeled "small breasted" in these films have such beautiful, sensual bodies. They look gorgeous running on the beach naked; they look comfortable in their own skin and so free to enjoy their bodies. Then I remember how in many cultures breasts aren't given the same sexualized status as they are in Western cultures. It's like a woman's entire body is beautiful and feminine...there's none of this hacking our bodies into little segments ( like Persi said about having -2 legs, but a +3 bum).

That said; I wanted to tell you guys...I used to work in a nursing home so I've seen every type of body naked. The smaller breasted women used to amaze me; they were 80 and STILL had perky little breasts sans bra. Many of them had even had had several children, but their bodies still looked youthful and beautiful.

starship
Wow, some really interesting stuff here lately. I'm always surprised at all the new and innovative ways you ladies come up with to look at the situation. You give perspectives I could never have dreamed of and really make me think about things differently:)


(& JAG please don't PM me, I don't care about your 'breasts')
auralpoison
QUOTE(starship @ Oct 10 2010, 09:21 AM) *
(& JAG please don't PM me, I don't care about your 'breasts')


Oh, but his PMs are heartbreakingly brilliant screeds of passive aggressive white male privilege! Mine made me laugh so hard I almost tinkled!

That's all I'm gonna say about that though because I feel like we are in Bloody Mary territory here. Say his name in the mirror three times & he'll pop out & getcha!

I actually came in to post this tidbit on the Secret of Beauty. Surveys like this come along with an alarming frequency, I often wonder just how much money is wasted on them. You'll note on the right hand side all of the weird related articles on human attractiveness. "Ugly Truth About One Night Stands: Men Less Choosy Than Women". REALLY? Like, REALLY? Who hasn't seen *that* guy at the bar fifteen minutes to last call trying to use that final half hour to score with whatever gal will take him?

And durr! Starship, I forgot to add that one can control who can send them PMs. Go to My Controls, left hand side under Menu & Messenger, tick PM Block List & you can add anybody that annoys you to it.
just_a_guy
boo tongue.gif And to answer your question: Anyone who isn't at a bar fifteen minutes before last call! laugh.gif

QUOTE(auralpoison @ Oct 11 2010, 12:24 AM) *
Oh, but his PMs are heartbreakingly brilliant screeds of passive aggressive white male privilege! Mine made me laugh so hard I almost tinkled!

That's all I'm gonna say about that though because I feel like we are in Bloody Mary territory here. Say his name in the mirror three times & he'll pop out & getcha!

I actually came in to post this tidbit on the Secret of Beauty. Surveys like this come along with an alarming frequency, I often wonder just how much money is wasted on them. You'll note on the right hand side all of the weird related articles on human attractiveness. "Ugly Truth About One Night Stands: Men Less Choosy Than Women". REALLY? Like, REALLY? Who hasn't seen *that* guy at the bar fifteen minutes to last call trying to use that final half hour to score with whatever gal will take him?

koffeewitch
I would seriously like to know how the "beauty" study avoided cultural bias...when they used cultures that all had access to American movies, advertisements, television shows, etc. and are heavily influenced by western culture.


P.S. I think I would like to start a small penis thread. I'm certain any man who would want to discuss his discomfiture at the hands of insensitive lovers would have a penis much larger than mine.
just_a_guy
Now that's a completely rational argument.

What I hear you saying is that whether or not one has the anatomy (as men do with breasts, and women do not with penises) is irrelevant. The important issue is the subjective psychological experience that the individual associates with that body part.

QUOTE(koffeewitch @ Oct 11 2010, 11:02 AM) *
I would seriously like to know how the "beauty" study avoided cultural bias...when they used cultures that all had access to American movies, advertisements, television shows, etc. and are heavily influenced by western culture.
P.S. I think I would like to start a small penis thread. I'm certain any man who would want to discuss his discomfiture at the hands of insensitive lovers would have a penis much larger than mine.

Allison-Shine
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Oct 8 2010, 01:43 PM) *
Kera, it sucks to have the big-boobed challenger in your life be your SISTER. I mean, I can at least walk away from these girls when I see them, but it's hard to escape family.

If you ever get tired of your comebacks or feel they've list their impact, you might also try just agreeing with her with great enthusiasm. It feels weird at first but I have to say I've tried this approach to those never-ending exchanges and it really disarms folks. Like, they can't argue. They know you're not really in agreement but you take all the excitement out of the exchange for them. --just a thought on how you might "deflate" her...heh.

It DOES seem like her maturity hasn't kept up with her breast development. wink.gif



Exactly, especially your younger sister. I am not talking about one that is just 1-3 years younger but one that is seven years younger like mine.

In a span of four years, when she was 13-17 (me 20-24) she went from an A cup to a D, shot up to be 4" taller than me and 30 pounds heavier (but not at all overweight), I still can't get over it completely.

My sister's maturity is finally starting to catch up to her breast development. Fortunately she feels less of a need to state the obvious about our disparity, but she still carries herself where she makes it clear that she has got more the goods between the two of us. She has changed from a giddy brat to a more poised young woman but still is very aware of what she has physically and would not hesitate to remind me of that if need be. She is good with not making such statements and comparisons around relatives but will still do so among her freinds or other acquaintences.

Either because that was so obvious where I missed it or I could not bring myself to it, but agreeing with enthusiam never really occured to me. I don't know if I could do that yet, despite that being good advice.
Allison-Shine
QUOTE(buttercups @ Oct 7 2010, 07:13 AM) *
Absolutely ladies, totally agree with everything!

nbdx you just made me realize how much we do make excuses for our breasts and how much everyone else does too. Like guys saying girls with small boobs will be better in bed because they have to compensate. What the f**k is that?! And then anytime I'm great in bed I'm perpetuating that myth I guess, better start being terrible!

Or what about my favorite one: "least you don't get all that unwanted attention from guys" as though I am completely invisible to the heterosexual male. Like I could walk around stark naked and no one would blink an eye because I have small boobs so I won't be getting any attention. Well I hate to break it to you people but getting negative attention from guys is unfortunately part of the female experience in this world. Not saying I'm some hot supermodel having guys hit on me inappropriately all the time, but I have had guys "catcall" me from time to time. May be rarer than if I was stacked, but it has happened believe it or not. And being told I am essentially invisible, be it from bad or good attention, doesn't exactly make me feel great about myself. Not that I want to have gross men drooling over me, but I don't want to hear that my smalll boobs are some kind of on-the-streets man repellent either!



I would have loved to be given that benefit of the doubt. I used to be told (and still am told to a limited extent) the opposite that bustier, more built women are better in bed. Some would say it in jest, others with a certain amount of conviction. Well, lets all have an effin' contest then !

We all get unwanted attention, some more than others and its not always in perfect correlation to the size of our breasts. But I always wanted to at least fit in more with the "competiton", not just in breast size, but in height and overall figure too, just the overall package. Sometimes I still feel like that 14-15 year old and get mistaken for it occasionally.
koffeewitch
QUOTE(just_a_guy @ Oct 11 2010, 02:24 PM) *
Now that's a completely rational argument.

What I hear you saying is that whether or not one has the anatomy (as men do with breasts, and women do not with penises) is irrelevant. The important issue is the subjective psychological experience that the individual associates with that body part.



Yep, I think you got it. I think this thread is mainly a place where woman can share the effects of living in a society that perpetually reinforces the idea that their bodies are somehow wrong, unfeminine, and inadequate. I champion your stepping in to share your personal opinion and preference for smaller busted women. But to imply that this is the best thread for you because you also have small boobs....well, not so much.

I certainly welcome menfolk in the lounge, as do most of the others. But we have lots of other threads that are not so much "women's safe space" as this thead is. You might even really dig A Gender Agenda. I for one would love to get a man's perspective on some of the issues brought up in there...
auralpoison
QUOTE(Allison-Shine @ Oct 11 2010, 02:47 PM) *
I would have loved to be given that benefit of the doubt. I used to be told (and still am told to a limited extent) the opposite that bustier, more built women are better in bed. Some would say it in jest, others with a certain amount of conviction. Well, lets all have an effin' contest then !

We all get unwanted attention, some more than others and its not always in perfect correlation to the size of our breasts. But I always wanted to at least fit in more with the "competiton", not just in breast size, but in height and overall figure too, just the overall package. Sometimes I still feel like that 14-15 year old and get mistaken for it occasionally.



I don't wanna gum up this thread's purpose, so I am beginning to think that we need a body issue thread or some such to discuss these weird myths/ideas. Especially in light of the way we've been talking about comparison & compensation back & forth between the two threads. It's something we're all obviously interested in & might want to consider further. I looked around to see if we could re-purpose an old thread, but I'm not seeing any likely candidates. Shall I suggest this to the Community Forum?

This place may be a fuckin' ghost town, but I still live by & respect the rules.

Allison-Shine
QUOTE(auralpoison @ Oct 11 2010, 04:43 PM) *

I don't wanna gum up this thread's purpose, so I am beginning to think that we need a body issue thread or some such to discuss these weird myths/ideas. Especially in light of the way we've been talking about comparison & compensation back & forth between the two threads. It's something we're all obviously interested in & might want to consider further. I looked around to see if we could re-purpose an old thread, but I'm not seeing any likely candidates. Shall I suggest this to the Community Forum?

This place may be a fuckin' ghost town, but I still live by & respect the rules.


Was this to imply that I was not?

But a thread on these types topic could work, given that the interest level is what you predict and that some of us hope it could be.
auralpoison
QUOTE(Allison-Shine @ Oct 11 2010, 05:58 PM) *
Was this to imply that I was not?

But a thread on these types topic could work, given that the interest level is what you predict and that some of us hope it could be.


Oh, goodness, no, I wasn't implying that you weren't playing by the rules. Huhn-uh. No way, no how. You were just the last person that made mention of some of the weirdness we've all been talking about in regards to competition & such, so I linked from you.

You touched on some salient points; I've always wondered about the whole, "big tit girls are sluts", "fat chicks work harder to please you", etc, etc, etc talk. Only once in my life have I ever heard another woman say, "Well, he really gives good head because he knows his dick is short & unsatisfying."

Of course, popular culture would lead us to believe that women's needs are purely monetary, "Anna Nicole's hubby may have been firing dust out of his shriveled, ancient dick, but his cheque book was fucking huge!" IE: Men don't need to compensate for their physical imperfections as long as they are fiscally flush.

I just think it's interesting & I thought I'd see what ya'll thought about it before making a move.
Allison-Shine
QUOTE(auralpoison @ Oct 11 2010, 06:23 PM) *
Oh, goodness, no, I wasn't implying that you weren't playing by the rules. Huhn-uh. No way, no how. You were just the last person that made mention of some of the weirdness we've all been talking about in regards to competition & such, so I linked from you.

You touched on some salient points; I've always wondered about the whole, "big tit girls are sluts", "fat chicks work harder to please you", etc, etc, etc talk. Only once in my life have I ever heard another woman say, "Well, he really gives good head because he knows his dick is short & unsatisfying."

Of course, popular culture would lead us to believe that women's needs are purely monetary, "Anna Nicole's hubby may have been firing dust out of his shriveled, ancient dick, but his cheque book was fucking huge!" IE: Men don't need to compensate for their physical imperfections as long as they are fiscally flush.

I just think it's interesting & I thought I'd see what ya'll thought about it before making a move.



Oh no worries, just wanted to make sure. I know what you mean by the "weirdness" being brought up by most of us. A fellow Bustie that I correspond with frequently in private message coined the term "random weirdness" that we use when one of us brings up something so weird and out of the blue regarding topics like this.

Weird or not, the competition is there and real as many of us know, it's not like I seek it out but it seeks me out even more so. I get the comments, the gloating and even the non-verbal instances and gestures as well that are sometimes hard to put into words. I know many would give anything to have my 34B's but there are instances that my size pales in comparison to others as well. And its not just the boobies either. It's the whole package that can get scrutinized or compared.
nbdx0645
QUOTE(Allison-Shine @ Oct 11 2010, 04:58 PM) *
But a thread on these types topic could work, given that the interest level is what you predict and that some of us hope it could be.


I second that.
Persiflager
Thirded!
auralpoison
Okay. I did some rooting around & remembered the Constructing/Deconstructing thread which might be a good place to take the convo. Any thoughts?
Persiflager
Looks good to me.
auralpoison
I done has killed the thread?

I went ahead & bumped the Constructing/Deconstructing thread.
buttercups
Been feeling blah about these little boobies lately, not sure why.

Thanks for bumping the thread AP!
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