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KeraBear
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Aug 31 2011, 02:32 PM) *
Strongirl, that was such a totally awesome post. I dont' have young'uns but I really loved reading of that powerful feeling of giving and sustaining life, even with your "boy's" body!! So "HAH!" I say to anyone who gave you shit about your awesome bod!!!


*KeraBear raises up a tall glass of milk in the air* HEAR, HEAR!!! lol Thanks for helping to answer my question, strongirl, you fine thang. wink.gif Here's another question for ya. Did your breasts get bigger when the milk came in? I hear about women with A cups going all the way up to C or D cups, but then their breasts going back down to normal size later. Just wonderin'
skindeep1991
Hello ladies =D YAY I'm back ^-^ I missed you guys!!!

QUOTE(strongirl @ Aug 31 2011, 05:31 PM) *
One other piece of advice re. boobs and aging: use sunscreen. I've seen a lot of women who are in the habit of showing off their "assets" but at this age what they're showing is saggy bags smushed together and up by an industrial strength brassiere covered in wrinkly crinkly leathery skin with some spots that make me think "get thee to a dermatologist - time for a skin cancer check!". My parents live in FL, so believe me, I've seen a lot of this look and it looks scary, not to mention unhealthy.


You know what i've never really though about sunscreen on the breasties.. i'm gonna have to take that into consideration from now on...thanks =D lols...not that we get much sun in the uk anyways haha

KeraBear
Welcome back, SD!!! We missed you too! smile.gif

Oh yeah, and karategrrl, it's time to delete some messages in your inbox. I just tried to sent you a PM, but it wouldn't go through because it said your inbox is full. All right! Proving that you don't have to have big breasts to be popular!!! smile.gif Either that or you are just a message hoarder like me. smile.gif
nbdx0645
Howdy folks, I felt like popping in to share a great article that I found recently. It's not directly about breasts, but it has to do with body image. I hope you dig it. smile.gif

Why don't I look like a fitness model

I hope everyone is doing well. smile.gif
waterstreet
QUOTE(nbdx0645 @ Sep 3 2011, 06:23 PM) *
Howdy folks, I felt like popping in to share a great article that I found recently. It's not directly about breasts, but it has to do with body image. I hope you dig it. smile.gif

Why don't I look like a fitness model

I hope everyone is doing well. smile.gif


Great article. Society really does put undue pressure on women to look a certain way- and the "poster" women don't even look that way in real life anyway.

This is my first time posting- I was so excited to find this group. I actually googled "small breast support group" because I was down after reading a comment the guy I am seeing made to his dad in a message with a pic of me: "kinda flat chested but makes up for it with personality and a pretty face". His fathers response was great, "slender and beautiful what more could a man want? big breasts are overrated" but I was still angry that my guy even felt the need to write the disclaimer.

I want to be super-confident in my cup size like so many of you on here. Sometimes I am, and it feels great, but it's so hard not to let the banter of meat-headed guys get to you. How did you all get to a place of loving your body ALL the time? I am jealous!
DeeRayy
QUOTE(waterstreet @ Sep 3 2011, 05:31 PM) *
This is my first time posting- I was so excited to find this group. I actually googled "small breast support group" because I was down after reading a comment the guy I am seeing made to his dad in a message with a pic of me: "kinda flat chested but makes up for it with personality and a pretty face". His fathers response was great, "slender and beautiful what more could a man want? big breasts are overrated" but I was still angry that my guy even felt the need to write the disclaimer.

I want to be super-confident in my cup size like so many of you on here. Sometimes I am, and it feels great, but it's so hard not to let the banter of meat-headed guys get to you. How did you all get to a place of loving your body ALL the time? I am jealous!


hello waterstreet! first of all let me just say that that comment your guy made even irks me. i hate hate haaaaate when someone says that you can "make up" for having small breasts. as if it's some kind of liability! i can see why this upset you, i'd be upset too. hope you don't mind me saying this but i already don't like your boyfriend, and i haven't even met him.

however, even the older and more confident ladies on this thread will tell you that even they still have their moments when their not completely in love with their body. i don't think anyone is in love with their body all the time. and from what i've seen, the younger you are the less accepting you are of your appearance. believe me, i'm only 19 and probably one of the members on this thread that is struggling the most. but i digress. if you're looking for advice on loving your body you should definitely read through the past pages of this thread. lots and lots of good stuff on here!
skindeep1991
QUOTE(waterstreet @ Sep 4 2011, 01:31 AM) *
This is my first time posting- I was so excited to find this group. I actually googled "small breast support group" because I was down after reading a comment the guy I am seeing made to his dad in a message with a pic of me: "kinda flat chested but makes up for it with personality and a pretty face". His fathers response was great, "slender and beautiful what more could a man want? big breasts are overrated" but I was still angry that my guy even felt the need to write the disclaimer.

I want to be super-confident in my cup size like so many of you on here. Sometimes I am, and it feels great, but it's so hard not to let the banter of meat-headed guys get to you. How did you all get to a place of loving your body ALL the time? I am jealous!


Welcome!! also i must agree with DeeRayy on this, I really don't like the sound of your boyfriend... we all have 'bad days' here i'm sure and not everyone is 100% confident I don't think but one thing that has helped me is the support of people like my boyfriend. Because when i'm having a bad day he'll be the first person to tell me how wonderful my breasts are and he loves them... I'm not stating that you need a man to feel good about your breasts and I obviously have no right to judge your relationship as I do not know what goes on but personally if it were me... I don't think your boyfriend is doing much good to your confidence there... his dad on the other hand...good on him for putting his son right.

This place really works wonders for self confidence and hopefully you'll start feeling the benefits of it too ^-^...

On another note... Ladies my nipples have healed up great and sensitivity still feels around about the same, A little bit hightend during arousal but I think that's the norm anyways. I friggen love them and i've been going bra-less a hell of a lot more at least twice a week =D and I can happily inform you guys that it has been over a month now and i've only wore my super padded bra (which doesn't really look good anymore anyway because although it pushes my boobies up it also pushes my nipples up and you can see the piercings at the top of the bra which is not a good look, especially when you're getting a burger at mc donalds and bend over to get your purse out of your bag and the guys at the counter are smirking and talking about your nipple piercings like you can't hear them >.<) twice and that's cause all my others were in the wash! =D YAY x

karategrrl
Welcome, welcome waterstreet! <<<<<big small busty welcome hug>>>>>

Um yeah, your BF's comment...it is NOT, I repeat, not, okay to view small-bustedness as something to "make up for" but is there a possibility that he was trying to do that male-bonding stuff with his dad, or that he might have thought his dad would have issue with your bust size and was trying to beat him to the punch? My hubby does that male bonding "ooh ah look at that chick" crapola with his sons--one of them in particular. I discussed with him more than once how piggish this comes across and his reply was that it's one of few ways he can bond with this particular son (who was definitely absent on the day they were handing out brains and character...hubby will fairly often call him an "asshole" himself...) Mind you, this is not an excuse, but an explanation. The important thing is that those comments are NOT about you--they are about him, really. (Oh, and can you just date his dad? Ha.)

nbdx, I really loved the pics in that article link. OMG, those ladies are all so stupendous, and I'm bowled over at how diverse their bodies are!! Love it!!! Totally proves that hotness and beauty and STRENGTH comes in all shapes, heights, sizes and colors!! Hooray!!

Kera my dear, emptying my mailbox now...I'm a hoarder... but yes, I am popular too!

And let me add, as one of the older ladies here (42), that I still have bad days and moments of doubt. but this little corner of cyberspace has tremendously helped me! Herein, find some of the most intelligent conversation and booblet buddy bonding anywhere! Love to your wonderful, beautiful boobies!! laugh.gif Yeah, we talk this way around here!!!
waterstreet
"Um yeah, your BF's comment...it is NOT, I repeat, not, okay to view small-bustedness as something to "make up for" but is there a possibility that he was trying to do that male-bonding stuff with his dad, or that he might have thought his dad would have issue with your bust size and was trying to beat him to the punch? "

Ladies- thank you for the warm welcomes and supportive comments. Love this group already! And I actually ended up bringing up the fact that I saw the message to my BF, and it made me feel soooo much better after talking about it. You are pretty much right Karategrrl. He said he made the comment because he feels exactly the way his dad does, but he wanted to hear his dad say it instead of just agree with him. I thought this might be the case because he has NEVER made a negative comment to me about my breast size, all positive comments about my body and the way I look which is great.

Since that conversation, joining the group and one other conversation (I'll tell in a minute)- I have been back in *loving my body* mode- and it feels so great. This is the way it is supposed to be.

The other recent happening that was helpful was one of my guy friends recently slept with a girl with implants and he just mentioned how he much prefers small natural breasts to fake boobs. Just always good to hear, you know.

Bitty boobies are sexy! Cheers.
strongirl
Karategrrl, that's so funny, I had the EXACT same thought - that she should just date his dad! smile.gif

And welcome, Waterstreet - sounds like you're gonna be a nice addition to this space. Loving your body IS indeed "how it is supposed to be". Good for you!

On your friend with the implant date, I have a coworker/friend who became single and when he did, was immediately hit on by two of the women in his main social group. He liked them both, both were nice people and attractive but his main reason for choosing one over the other? He prefers small natural breasts and one of them had implants. In his words "a fake top end", lol. He debated telling her why and decided against it. (good call, no point in making someone regret their $6k investment)

Kera, circling back a bit here - yes, my breasts got ginormous when I first started breastfeeding but I have no idea how big they were, it just was such a minor thing compared to the joy and stress of a new baby and some of the real health issues I was dealing with at the time. I'd bought nursing bra's months ahead just based on my normal size and they had expandy cups so I didn't need to buy bra's after the fact and just really didn't think much about how big they were, that I can recall. I know that sounds kinda lame but there ya have it. smile.gif

aerobear
Small is beautiful too.

I've just watched a program about women who feel very bad about having small breasts. Some were using suction cups to make them larger, while others wanted operations have bags full of silicone shoved inside their chests. I felt so sad watching them suffering because of how they see their own bodies that I felt moved to post on this forum.

I'm a bloke and my girlfriend has got small breasts. I find small breasts very sexy - but that is not why I'm with her. It is the way I feel when I hold her that counts. I've been out with women of all shapes and sizes. The main thing that attracts me to a woman is the look in her eyes. Fake boobs usually look ridiculous and feel horrible. It's like cuddling a car tire. I once had sex with a woman who looked absolutely drop dead gorgeous. It was the most un-erotic sex I have ever had.

Please ladies, don't worry about what your boobs look like. If a bloke is so concerned about the size of your boobs, he is probably so shallow that he is not worth bothering with. Bigger boobs are unlikely to make you happier or more confident in yourself. A woman I knew was absolutely huge in every direction, but carried herself with poise. She looked attractive because of this - her size did not matter. Neither does yours.
DeeRayy
QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 6 2011, 02:42 PM) *
On your friend with the implant date, I have a coworker/friend who became single and when he did, was immediately hit on by two of the women in his main social group. He liked them both, both were nice people and attractive but his main reason for choosing one over the other? He prefers small natural breasts and one of them had implants. In his words "a fake top end", lol. He debated telling her why and decided against it. (good call, no point in making someone regret their $6k investment)


i wanna elaborate on this quote a little bit. no man should be using breast type as a deciding factor between two women in the first place. well, maybe if he were interested in purely sex then whatever. some women have legitimate reasons for getting breast implants. no, i'm not advocating plastic surgery. but you can never really know a woman's reasons for getting implants unless you flat out ask her. what about women that struggle with severe asymmetry, or tubular breasts? what about women who have lost breasts due to breast cancer? are we going to call their enhanced breasts gross as well because they're not "real"? i might be sounding a little defensive here but i feel that if we try not to put down large breasted women in here we should also try to be a little more sensitive to the issue of implants, because not every woman gets them for attention or for pure vanity. some women get them just to feel normal, and there's no shame in that. i would never call my breasts "better" than anyone else's, and that includes ladies with implants.

sorry to rant, but i just feel like we do a lot of implant bashing on here. i think all breasts have their pros and cons, even implants. and btw, i'm not including the huge bolt on kind that are bought by young women seeking to look like porn stars. i won't defend those, but i will defend the others. and as far as the whole guys not liking implants thing goes, well, isn't a recurring theme on here that a man should be more interested in you as a person than what's underneath your bra anyway? and shouldn't the quality of sex be determined by the enthusiasm, passion, and chemistry between the two people in bed, not what kind of breasts the woman has?? just my two cents.

anyway, back to the small boobie love. there's been some good stuff on here this week. btw aerobear, i really liked some of the things you had to say smile.gif
coffeebean
Here, here, DeeRayy - well said! The comments you made encapsulate the reasons why I think spot-on felt compelled to leave this tread after she decided to get implants. Thanks for speaking up!
strongirl
Sincere apologies if my comments came across as "implant bashing". I've strongly defended people's rights to do whatever kinds of body modifications they want, if it makes them feel good and enjoy their body more, whether that's piercings, tats, implants, or botox. Individual choice rules. And certainly there are implanted women who are lovely, decent, smart, ethical, and sexy people...even if they chose implants for purely cosmetic reasons. I won't judge someone based on what s/he does to their own body, no matter what the reason, but rather on how s/he treats others.

That being said, I personally find the SOCIETAL pressure to have large implanted breasts to be almost overwhelming at times. Women with implants do not need to come to this feminist small breast support group forum to find validation for their choice...all they have to do is look at the magazines at the grocery store checkout, or turn on the TV, or go to the gym, or surf internet porn. So if we can't voice resistance to that pressure in here, where can we voice it?

When I share anecdotes like the one from my coworker, or share my bf's or other guys' preferences for small natural breasts, I'm not de facto slamming women with large breasts or implants. I'm just being a teensy tinesy little voice in the wind saying "Hey! Not all guys prefer big 'uns or fake 'uns! Honest!". I think it's very easy for small-breasted women to lose sight of that, and very helpful for us to keep it in mind.

"some women get them just to feel normal"...yep. It's seen as "normal" to have surgically placed silicone bags in your body...but not to have small breasts. That's what I want to resist. Exactly that.

But I do apologize if my resistance makes anyone feel bad. Not my intention.




karategrrl
strongirl, you wrote my thoughts. I, too, try to remind myself that not all women who get implants do so b/c they are small and they think there's something wrong with that. BUT I would venture to guess that that's exactly why most women do--no, not all, but most. And, yeah, THAT I do have issue with. I've said it here before, I'll say it again; if small breasts were portrayed as "desired," women would be getting reduction surgery as commonly as augmentation surgery. Remember the flapper era of the 1920's? Large-breasted women were binding their breasts down, and I bet many would have had reduction surgery if it existed.

I support a woman who has augmentation to REPLACE what existed pre-mastectomy, or if she has breasts very different in size and just wants to be able to buy bras with two same-size cups fer god's sake, or a woman who has reduction b/c the weight of her breasts is giving her health issues, for example. But I think most of us fall within a "normal" (wide!) range, whether we're "large" or "small," and women who get either surgery to feel "normal" b/c they feel like they're not when they already ARE makes me sad.
coffeebean
Hi Strongirl, I know that I am one of the least active posters on here but probably a pretty active reader smile.gif I can't speak for Deerayy but I don't think that you need to apologize for your comments/opinions at all and I know that my agreement with Deerayy's comment was not specifically targeted at you. My agreement was really to acknowledge the 'momentum' that can sometimes build up in a thread like this. I know that I am constantly struggling to find a balance between supporting each other without making anyone else the 'other' if that makes sense.


DeeRayy
QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 7 2011, 11:11 AM) *
That being said, I personally find the SOCIETAL pressure to have large implanted breasts to be almost overwhelming at times. Women with implants do not need to come to this feminist small breast support group forum to find validation for their choice...all they have to do is look at the magazines at the grocery store checkout, or turn on the TV, or go to the gym, or surf internet porn. So if we can't voice resistance to that pressure in here, where can we voice it?


Strongirl, i apologize if you felt i was targeting you in my comment. i only quoted your particular anecdote about implants because it was the most recent one. i do agree that we're bombarded with images of large breasts, but then again we're also bombarded with photoshopped images that make actresses appear thinner than they already are, which i can bet frustrates women who naturally are a little softer and fleshier and will never (healthily) be that thin. i totally agree with you that the pressure that is put on women by society is unfair and that we shouldn't have to defend ourselves for not getting implants. i just didn't like that lately there were posts about how bad it is to sleep with a woman with implants. it seemed very similar to the way the plus size population states that "real women have curves". that was simply my personal opinion.


QUOTE(karategrrl @ Sep 8 2011, 10:31 AM) *
I support a woman who has augmentation to REPLACE what existed pre-mastectomy, or if she has breasts very different in size and just wants to be able to buy bras with two same-size cups fer god's sake, or a woman who has reduction b/c the weight of her breasts is giving her health issues, for example. But I think most of us fall within a "normal" (wide!) range, whether we're "large" or "small," and women who get either surgery to feel "normal" b/c they feel like they're not when they already ARE makes me sad.


this is my view as well, and this is what i meant when i said that some women get them just to feel normal. i wasn't stating that implants were normal, i just meant that a lot of women actually do have these problems. and that's why i didn't like the comments that had been recently made because when we put down implants, we are also putting down these women.

i hope my opinion didn't offend anyone in here. i do agree that any story that showcases how not all men exclusively like large breasts or implants is beneficial here. i just don't like putting down other women in order to do that. while i don't agree that women should get implants simply to be bigger, i totally support their right to do whatever they please with their bodies.
skindeep1991
QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Sep 8 2011, 07:53 PM) *
i hope my opinion didn't offend anyone in here. i do agree that any story that showcases how not all men exclusively like large breasts or implants is beneficial here. i just don't like putting down other women in order to do that. while i don't agree that women should get implants simply to be bigger, i totally support their right to do whatever they please with their bodies.


I don't think you offended anyone really, I think we're all guilty of putting down other women to feel better even if it's not intentional or directed at anyone...It just happens when a group of people with similar opinions on things or thoughts get together.

Personally I think there are worse things in the world than breast size, there are women out there that would kill to have our sized breasts because there breasts are too large and cause pain, Then there are women like some of us that don't feel 'womanly' or 'normal' because we don't have larger breasts... and then there are the women who have 'average' sized breasts that want them to be larger because they believe it will enhance their appearances, not to forget all the others in between...basically everyone has issues with breasts *shrugs* too big, too small, too pointy, too flat, too round, too long, two different sizes... end of the day, we are all very very lucky... we all have loved ones who love us and support us, even if they are on here =D we are able to lead normal day to day lives, we're all beautiful and successful and breast size isn't a handicap or a deformity, it's just a little number... and if you aren't happy then do what makes you happy even if it means implants, piercings, tattoos...whatever.

I think sometimes we've got to stop and think about how lucky we actually are for even the little things...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wSGz6WKOUfo/SGA4...cEvoy-thumb.jpg

Sorry if that has upset anyone but i'm having one of those 'be greatful' days

KeraBear
Yay! It seems that we have reached an understanding! Good discussion.

QUOTE
I know that I am constantly struggling to find a balance between supporting each other without making anyone else the 'other' if that makes sense.


Oh totally. When it comes to body image, I don't think there is really any such thing as an "other", because as Skindeep helpfully pointed out, most women likely have issues with their breasts in one way or another and that alone should bind us together. But since this group is so specific, I can see how it can easily spin into an "us and them" mentality.

Feel free to disagree with me, but I feel like we handled Spot-on's decision to get implants fairly well, all things considered. I can totally understand why she ultimately didn't feel comfortable here anymore though.

SD - It's good to have a "be grateful day." That should be every day, shouldn't it? smile.gif And yes, i was disturbed by that link. Deeply.
waterstreet
QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Sep 7 2011, 01:00 AM) *
i might be sounding a little defensive here but i feel that if we try not to put down large breasted women in here we should also try to be a little more sensitive to the issue of implants, because not every woman gets them for attention or for pure vanity(.....)i would never call my breasts "better" than anyone else's, and that includes ladies with implants.

....isn't a recurring theme on here that a man should be more interested in you as a person than what's underneath your bra anyway?


SO well put DeeRayy. when my friend said that about the girl with implants I did take it as good encouragment not to get them because mine were to small but I did also feel a pang of ..."oh man, how would she feel if she knew he was saying this right now?" no matter what the reason, it just sucks to put down a part of a womans body.
skindeep1991
QUOTE(waterstreet @ Sep 9 2011, 03:53 AM) *
SO well put DeeRayy. when my friend said that about the girl with implants I did take it as good encouragment not to get them because mine were to small but I did also feel a pang of ..."oh man, how would she feel if she knew he was saying this right now?" no matter what the reason, it just sucks to put down a part of a womans body.


I can honestly tell you I have never in my life met an 'Ugly' person, everything is a matter of opinion like waterstreet stated with the implants. But honestly everyone I look at has a beautiful quality about them, because everyone is beautiful... They may have things about there appearance that you might not necessarily like but there will definitely be people in the world that will like it. Like our little breasticles, there will always be someone that doesn't like them, but then there will always be people that love them... I don't think people should get disheartened about things like this...it's just like some women prefer men with beards and hairy chests and others hate chest hair, I know the way my boyfriend feels about being topless because he thinks his hairy chest is disgusting and people will say horrible things to him is silly, but everyone has insecurities...even the people that put us down.

As for small breasts, the original comment you posted waterstreet would indicate to me that you want to learn to accept your body the way it is and not have to change it.
Before I got on here I was playing with the idea of getting implants but I thought to myself that I really am not one of the worst out there for self confidence and although I have bad days I also have a lot of good days... which is why I came here.
But maybe it was different for these girls maybe everyday was a bad day and they were seriously depressed about it, It does really affect some women especially if people comment about it a lot and if they're constantly thinking about it. If they felt like they needed implants to be happy then that's all that really matters...

Personally if I'd gotten implants, I wouldn't have come back here either... Not because you'd all post horrible comments and what not but because I'd see this as somewhere women go to make themselves feel better about what 'god gave them' and I wouldn't feel like I'd fit in that category tbh, Also I'd have found it hard to give advice to women on how to feel better about themselves naturally when I'd have implants. I'm not saying that implants are wrong and I think it would be good to see the other side of the small boobie outlook on here and I think it would be nice to hear how these women actually feel since and what not, but I know I wouldn't have wanted to stay...not because of any of you or the comments, just cause I wouldn't feel right telling women to love themselves how they are.

I realize I am not really 'how god made me' with piercings and what not and I understand that piercings and tattoos are also a form of altering your body to make yourself feel better about your appearance, so please don't shout at me for being a hypocrite. I was just saying how I would feel if that was me and maybe trying to shed some light on why these people did leave and why they did get implants?...

xXx
karategrrl
QUOTE(coffeebean @ Sep 8 2011, 05:34 PM) *
I know that I am constantly struggling to find a balance between supporting each other without making anyone else the 'other' if that makes sense.

I totally feel this way too. It seriously is a fine line, and I have to say that with all the fricking issues that breasts really do touch on, directly, and indirectly, I admire all of you ladies so much for treading these delicate waters so tactfully. We really do well.

And yes, we should all feel grateful. So easy to forget that!
strongirl
Wow, what a great forum to challenge ourselves and each other to be kind, compassionate, and clear-headed about tough, tricky issues. I wish all of y'all would run for public office (I can't - too many photos out there of me naked, LOL).

I agree, Karategrrl and Kera, we really do well. I am grateful to have a place where I know I will be supported when I feel hurt and called out when I say things that might be hurtful to others. It's like family, only way less dysfunctional. smile.gif

Coffeebean, you really nailed it with your comment about trying to find that balance and support each other without making anyone else the "other". It makes total sense. And while you and Deeray said that I don't owe anyone an apology, let me at least thank you all for holding me and each other to such a pure, high standard. I WANT to be called on it when I say something that might be destructive rather than constructive. Even if I just didn't word things well, I want to know the impact I'm having and be encouraged to make sure it's positive. Thanks and keep it up!

One thing that didn't get really addressed in all this (though we have addressed it in the past) is that there is a legitimate issue of "preference" that can be difficult and even painful but shouldn't be ignored. My friend who didn't want to date the woman with implants really is a good person - he simply has a strong sexual preference for small, natural breasts. The woman he ended up marrying is gorgeous in my opinion but wouldn't be picked by Playboy - she is quite small-breasted and at the same time cutely chubby and full through the hips and thighs. They're totally happy together. He never said anything bad about the friend with the implants, he genuinely liked and respected her, but in a move that I think was wise given his preferences, he opted not to date her. Like those of you who have wished guys who prefer big breasts wouldn't date you in the first place, he made a similar choice not to get in deeper.

Of course we all want to be valued for who we are within and that is what ultimately matters the most in a relationship. And truly, based on my life experience, physical preferences are malleable and can change with time or recede in importance. But that doesn't mean they don't exist or matter at all...and I don't think having them or basing dating decisions on them means a person is bad or wrong. They can be part of the magical mix that is romantic attraction...like my dad's "thing" for redheads resulting in a happy 50 year long marriage with my mom. Even though her hair is silver now, he still sings this old song to her about wanting a redhaired woman, and she still giggles and blushes and loves every minute of it. Nothing against blondes or brunettes...he just loves red hair, and she loves that he loves it. Just like she loves dark-haired, exotic men, and he is that for her.

Rather than ignore or feel bad about our specific preferences, I think we should be encouraged to embrace and honor them. The thing that scares me is the opposite - when media or social pressure forces people to lose sight of their own personal preferences and go with the herd in liking what everyone else likes or what they think they're supposed to like. That's part of how I think we got into this whole big-breast obsession and implant craze to begin with - thanks a heap, Hugh Hefner. Not all guys actually prefer busty blondes like Hugh does...but after a few decades of Playboy and porn, it's difficult for guys to admit it if they're not attracted to Pamela Anderson or Holly Madison. That's what I meant when I decried the "societal pressure" to get implants as opposed to an individual decision. And I'll stand firm on saying that I really think that's unhealthy, for all of us.
85testing58
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DeeRayy
QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 12 2011, 07:38 PM) *
Rather than ignore or feel bad about our specific preferences, I think we should be encouraged to embrace and honor them. The thing that scares me is the opposite - when media or social pressure forces people to lose sight of their own personal preferences and go with the herd in liking what everyone else likes or what they think they're supposed to like. That's part of how I think we got into this whole big-breast obsession and implant craze to begin with - thanks a heap, Hugh Hefner. Not all guys actually prefer busty blondes like Hugh does...but after a few decades of Playboy and porn, it's difficult for guys to admit it if they're not attracted to Pamela Anderson or Holly Madison. That's what I meant when I decried the "societal pressure" to get implants as opposed to an individual decision. And I'll stand firm on saying that I really think that's unhealthy, for all of us.


Strongirl, you make a very good point. I don't think it's wrong to have preferences or specific things that you find attractive in the opposite sex. I also don't think that there's anything wrong with dating anyone who doesn't fit those preferences. I, for example, love curly hair yet my first boyfriend had stick-straight hair. I also love colored eyes yet he was brown all over, just like me. I feel that if you are attracted to the person as a whole then the other parts of them that you weren't so crazy about before should become more attractive to you. and if you really can't find someone attractive because of one body part that doesn't fit your preferences then you probably didn't really like that person as much as you thought you did.

I admit i'm very sensitive to the issue of "preferences" given my experiences. Due to the circumstances you've just listed, it's very hard to imagine that a man could actually have a preference for small breasts. so i really do appreciate any story of such guys and would love the girls on here to keep posting such encouraging stories- because i really don't think i could ever date another "boob guy" again.

I'm probably gonna be posting on here a little more often than before, i just moved out for the school year and out of all of my roomates, i'm sporting the smallest boobies so that'll probably get to me from time to time. wish me luck you guys!
KeraBear
QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 12 2011, 10:38 PM) *
Of course we all want to be valued for who we are within and that is what ultimately matters the most in a relationship. And truly, based on my life experience, physical preferences are malleable and can change with time or recede in importance. But that doesn't mean they don't exist or matter at all...and I don't think having them or basing dating decisions on them means a person is bad or wrong. They can be part of the magical mix that is romantic attraction...like my dad's "thing" for redheads resulting in a happy 50 year long marriage with my mom. Even though her hair is silver now, he still sings this old song to her about wanting a redhaired woman, and she still giggles and blushes and loves every minute of it. Nothing against blondes or brunettes...he just loves red hair, and she loves that he loves it. Just like she loves dark-haired, exotic men, and he is that for her.


That was beautiful, Strongirl. Thank you for sharing that story.

QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Sep 13 2011, 06:56 PM) *
I'm probably gonna be posting on here a little more often than before, i just moved out for the school year and out of all of my roomates, i'm sporting the smallest boobies so that'll probably get to me from time to time. wish me luck you guys!


Good luck!! Hopefully they are not the type that flaunts their big boobies around the house...
karategrrl
Strongirl, I also loved that story about your dad. So cute.

I just googled Holly Madison and I'm SO not impressed. <yawn.>
DeeRayy
QUOTE(KeraBear @ Sep 13 2011, 07:23 PM) *
Good luck!! Hopefully they are not the type that flaunts their big boobies around the house...


lol, well none of them exactly have "big" boobies. they're all around a b cup or small c cup, which is bigger than me but not particularly busty-thank goodness! i only noticed because i seem to be the most petite one there, so i look the youngest out of all of us. sigh, it's pretty tough being petite sometimes! you feel (physically) so small and childish compared to other girls.
KeraBear
QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Sep 15 2011, 04:18 PM) *
lol, well none of them exactly have "big" boobies. they're all around a b cup or small c cup, which is bigger than me but not particularly busty-thank goodness! i only noticed because i seem to be the most petite one there, so i look the youngest out of all of us. sigh, it's pretty tough being petite sometimes! you feel (physically) so small and childish compared to other girls.


ahhh, okay. That's manageable. smile.gif

And, I so know what you mean. For the longest time, I was absolutely convinced that I was single because no guy wanted to date a girl who looked like his little sister.

Have you thought that maybe your roommates might actually envy you because you are the most petite one there? The grass is always greener...
ptolemyZ
Any preferences I have probably control the order I notice people in a new environment. I'm likely to notice those who match some of my preferences first. In practice I'll check out everyone else too.

My opinion ends up being academic; I very quickly start guessing whether anyone would be at all interested in talking to me!
secretsights88
I'm having a bit of a problem accepting my breast size lately. I think we've all dealt with morons when it comes to this, be them other women or men. But what's really sad is when you have to deal with yourself, because it's your friends and family who're (unknowingly) making you feel bad, and you have to find a way on your own to make the hurt go away.

My sister and I have always been very close. When I broke up with my ex, she was there to help me pick myself up, dust off, and move on. She introduced me to many great girls, who're now my friends and who were also very supportive, in a time in which after a long, tough relationship. I'd isolated myself from other people. I love my sister, and my friends.

But the "problem" is that my sister is quite busty. A new girl who's been hanging out with us, is also very busty. They like going to clubs and stuff, and they make a point of always wearing low cut tops. ALWAYS. They make jokes about it. They comment how men react to that, and well, they like it, they like having that "power" over men and stuff. We have a gay male friend. He's as gay as gay can be. But he's also obsessed with breasts, and he likes to joke around breasts/cleavage when we're all together. It's like he boosts this whole "having cleavage is so COOL" thing. I feel uncomfortable and bad, because they talk about this crap so much!

I mean yesterday we were hanging out, and my sister and our friend were talking about how funny it is when men talk to their cleavage instead of their eyes, because it makes them look so dumb and stupid or something like that, and that they can get away with things with certain men in such situations. I just rolled my eyes or something, and our gay pal said something like "Yeah, if I were in the need I could use you two to get my way with some men". Then he said something about me having the smallest breasts of the bunch, to which I replied with "Oh come on, cleavage is so overrated, it's not that great", to which my sister and friend kinda disagreed, and our gay friend said "Well, you look like you're ten, what did you expect?". He likes to joke around with me like that, 'cause he knows I have little tolerance for juvenile jokes, but he doesn't do it with the intention of making me feel bad. I don't think anyone (save my ex) knows just how insecure I feel about my breasts.

I don't know why this gets to me so much. I mean, of course it annoys me that my sister and friend make such stupid comments and assumptions that big breasts/cleavage is what men prefer. It's also that they share this "bond" over having big breasts that I just can't share, and it makes me feel excluded and unfeminine. And when we go to clubs, they always show off their cleavage and get more attention and that gets to me too, because not only do I have to make a huge effort to try to ignore the media as bullshit, seeing it in real life just makes it harder to ignore, especially coming from people who I love so much and who are so close to me.

They don't know I feel like this, and I can't imagine telling them. When I've said stuff like "oh come on girls, stop boasting, some of us don't have that much" they just make the typical "feel good" comments like "but your face is very pretty" or "you could wear a push up" or "yours aren't that small" (which is a lie). I know this is my insecurity and that I shouldn't let this get to me, but it's so hard.

At least you can dump stupid boyfriends, but you can't dump family or friends, especially the ones you love so much (because despite making my friends/sister sound like tit obsessed morons here, they're great with me in other areas).
DeeRayy
QUOTE(secretsights88 @ Sep 24 2011, 11:12 AM) *
They don't know I feel like this, and I can't imagine telling them. When I've said stuff like "oh come on girls, stop boasting, some of us don't have that much" they just make the typical "feel good" comments like "but your face is very pretty" or "you could wear a push up" or "yours aren't that small" (which is a lie). I know this is my insecurity and that I shouldn't let this get to me, but it's so hard.


secretsights, have you tried talking to your sister in private about this? you say that they don't know how insecure you are about your breasts, so maybe if your sister knows then she can help out and steer the conversation away from breasts when the others start talking about it. i'm dealing with similar feelings right now. my roommate has lovely breasts that, while not extremely large, do make me feel bad about myself. however, she's catholic and very conservative so i do not have to deal with the conversations that you have to deal with.



i also have a question for the group. have any of you ever used sex as a way of feeling better about your booblets? i know this might sound really bad, but lately i've been having bad boobie days because of my roommate situation. and just recently one of my male friends in my housing facility has been, ahem, inviting me over late at night when all his roomates are gone (booty call). now, i don't see myself dating this guy but i do find him attractive. i haven't took him up on any of his offers, but on my days when i feel especially bad about my boobies the thought of sex is very tempting because it would be nice to feel wanted by a guy again. i know i'm very young and probably not ready for casual sex but it is still tempting nonetheless. i'm just curious about your thoughts on this matter.
karategrrl
God, I fucking LOVE this place. Thank you, thank you, all of you, for helping to keep me sane. Seriously. That said...

"At least you can dump stupid boyfriends, but you can't dump family or friends, especially the ones you love so much (because despite making my friends/sister sound like tit obsessed morons here, they're great with me in other areas)."
Secretsight88, we must be synching up (are you having premenstrual cramps too?) b/c it was kind of a tough weekend for me too. No one was making comments about my breasts, but I wear the T-shirt bras that have a little shaping (light padding, I guess, though not a push up or the add-a-cup type) and as I was driving or sitting and eating or whatever, I was just really aware of the fact that when I get into certain positions, I can feel how I'm just not filling up the cup--I can press on it and it goes in, empty. No social pressure, just an self-induced annoyance. And I'm all muscular and ripped and shit (my upper body, anyway), but I caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror Sat night with this little nighttime top on that I thought might look all sexy and all I could see was muscles in my chest and where my chest and shoulder muscles meet. Mind you, that is cool but it would be nice to have that AND some more breast tissue. On most days I strongly feel that I could never do implants b/c I would like REAL breast tissue; yesterday I actually thought for half a second that I'd even settle for silicone gel just to experience the feeling of having SOMETHING to put in a bra. But even as I type this, I'm thinking of all the people in the world without arms or legs who'd give anything to experience the sensation of a limb, or women who identify as men who'd give anything to experience the feeling of having a penis. I don't have anything intelligent to add. Just random thoughts I'm sharing!

Secretsight, can you show your sis your post or email it to her? I mean, you really did spell out your feelings very well. Have you considered not going out with this particular group to clubs, where there's a more-likely-than-usual change they'll be doing/saying all the things that are upsetting? Or invite another non-busty friend along who understands? Also, I have to say that what you speak of disgusts me a little. I feel that it's good for everyone to feel confident about whatever it is about themselves that they like, but the idea of using it to consciously manipulate another just sounds like a selfish, immature power trip to me, and the men who respond to it sound like morons. As a woman, the only counterpart to the "busty women flaunting it" bit is when men are muscular and built nicely and they wear tank tops or skintight muscle shirts when it's freezing out. Puh-leese. You can still tell when someone's built nicely when they're wearing more appropriate clothing. To me, it's more attractive when there's still a sense of a little mystery and modesty. But that's just me!

"the thought of sex is very tempting because it would be nice to feel wanted by a guy again. i know i'm very young and probably not ready for casual sex but it is still tempting nonetheless. i'm just curious about your thoughts on this matter."
OMG I can so relate. Well, I'm not a casual sex girl either but I once slept with a friend whom I trusted for the exact same reason--just to feel desired; I hadn't had intercourse in 5 years (!). The sex was OK but the aftermath was a distaster b/c he ended up telling someone whom I did not want to know. It was even worse b/c I also worked with the guy and the one he told. (Mind you, this was someone I TRUSTED totally and really had thought this through carefully and still thought it was safe to go ahead.) Only you can judge this situation, but I'd say tread carefully if you think he might be one to blab about you being "easy" or about how you were in bed, etc. Men do that shit. And consider this: you obviously already ARE wanted by a guy; feel good about that fact and sleep with him--or not (and practice safe sex if you do)! <hug>
waterstreet
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Sep 26 2011, 07:03 AM) *
No one was making comments about my breasts, but I wear the T-shirt bras that have a little shaping (light padding, I guess, though not a push up or the add-a-cup type) and as I was driving or sitting and eating or whatever, I was just really aware of the fact that when I get into certain positions, I can feel how I'm just not filling up the cup--I can press on it and it goes in, empty. No social pressure, just an self-induced annoyance.


I hear you on this one karategrrl. I coach swimming and some of the girls on my team are "growing up" and now there are a few 12 year olds who have bigger breasts than their coach : ( sigh. Just like you said, no one making comments, no social pressure, just me being annoyed by it.

And secretsights88- that is no fun having your gay friend make jokes about your body. Things said in jest can be shaken off but it still might get to you after awhile. I bet he would understand if you explained to him that these things were legitimately hurtful (gay men go through a lot as well, hopefully he can see that these types of jokes are not welcome).

Other than my annoyance that the 12 year old girls on my team have bigger breasts than me, personally I have been doing really well with accepting my body and loving my boobs lately. I think it has something to do with my overall self esteem. It's not a matter of big vs small breasts, but a matter of loving myself as a whole person and loving the small breasts BECAUSE they are connected to that person. It makes me me, it makes me unique and special. Also, when I wear the crazy padded victoria secret bras I DONT liike the way it looks on me, I am just not comfortable with big boobs- I quite enjoy having men look me in the face instead of making me feel objectified by staring at my breasts. So secretsights88, YOU actually have an advantage over your sister and her friend in that it is probably easier for you to get taken seriously and you can wear certain clothing without looking slutty. Some of my bigger breasted friends comment on how they are jealous that I can wear low cut shirts and make it look classy because if they wear anything like that they just look like a whore. Small breasts definitely are sexy in their own right (especially if you own them and love them) and have serious advantages!

Yay for loving little boobies. And again, I think it all starts with security about who we are and then security about what we happen to look like will follow.
karategrrl
QUOTE(waterstreet @ Sep 26 2011, 03:14 PM) *
my bigger breasted friends comment on how they are jealous that I can wear low cut shirts and make it look classy because if they wear anything like that they just look like a whore. Small breasts definitely are sexy in their own right (especially if you own them and love them) and have serious advantages!

Thank you for this reminder. People have told me this too. I can actually get away with wearing v-necks almost down to my bra (where the cups connect in the middle) at work! Hey, I will take any and every bit of encouragement I can!
KeraBear
Secretsights88 - So much good advice on here that I don't feel like i have anything add. Except I concur! ha ha I can offer empathy though since my little sister has is two cup sizes bigger than i am (it's no secret though because i am always bitching about it on here. LOL!!!). I think a lot of it depends on your sister's maturity level. I agree with karategrrl that you should tell her everything that you have written here. If you don't feel like you can talk to her, maybe write her a letter? I've tried talking to my sis about my issues with her teasing me many times, and for a while it gets better but she inevitably goes back to her old ways. But lately as she has gotten older, it has gotten better. I believe her maturity is finally catching up to her cup size.

DeeRayy - Yeah, karategrrl is right. Regardless of whether you decide to accept the booty-call or not, you should feel good that this guy totally wants you - booblets and all! wink.gif It is, after all, Hispanic Heritage Month. He is just showing his appreciation of sexy Hispanics. wink.gif

The world needs a small boobie appreciation month. Am I right?!?
karategrrl
QUOTE(KeraBear @ Sep 28 2011, 02:28 AM) *
I believe her maturity is finally catching up to her cup size.

LOL!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE(KeraBear @ Sep 28 2011, 02:28 AM) *
The world needs a small boobie appreciation month. Am I right?!?

YES!
skindeep1991
QUOTE(KeraBear @ Sep 28 2011, 03:28 AM) *
The world needs a small boobie appreciation month. Am I right?!?


or small boobie appreciation year! =D
KeraBear
QUOTE(skindeep1991 @ Sep 28 2011, 07:50 AM) *
or small boobie appreciation year! =D


I know, right??? Baby steps, SD, baby steps. Keep the dream of equality alive!!! smile.gif
strongirl
"And consider this: you obviously already ARE wanted by a guy; feel good about that fact and sleep with him--or not (and practice safe sex if you do)! <hug> "

That is a like a whole book's worth of great sex advice in one concise sentence! Karategrrl, you rule! smile.gif

Tons of great stuff on here and I don't have much more to add but did want to touch a bit more on the sex issue.

I don't recommend having sex SOLELY to feel better about your body based on someone desiring you, although I don't think that's actually what anyone on here was thinking/intending. But people do it, and to me it seems a bit 1) exploitive of the person you're having sex with and 2) negatively reinforcing the idea that your value comes from being desired by others.

And I completely agree with Karategrrl's points about there being other considerations in the decision, too.

That said, I think that good sex has many diverse benefits beyond the main ones of experiencing sexual pleasure and connecting intimately with another person. One of them is that it promotes feeling positive about your body and less hung up about it's "imperfections". After all, if your body can experience sexual pleasure and give it to another person, isn't that something to revel in and celebrate? And shouldn't we feel gratitude and appreciation for our bodies when they do that? Yes! We should! And appreciation for one's body is the opposite of the negative, critical thinking that we try to help each other overcome in this forum.

So with that in mind...I encourage you all to "get busy"! wink.gif
karategrrl
I saw this on a bumper sticker today and thought of all of you:

"Change how you see, not how you look."

Aw yeah.
karategrrl
QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 29 2011, 01:23 PM) *
That is a like a whole book's worth of great sex advice in one concise sentence! Karategrrl, you rule! smile.gif


Aw shucks!

Tons of great stuff on here and I don't have much more to add but did want to touch a bit more on the sex issue.

QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 29 2011, 01:23 PM) *
After all, if your body can experience sexual pleasure and give it to another person, isn't that something to revel in and celebrate? And shouldn't we feel gratitude and appreciation for our bodies when they do that? Yes! We should! ...
So with that in mind...I encourage you all to "get busy"! wink.gif

OMG this is SO wonderful. Thank you for this reminder, strongirl! Seriously, I had forgotten this idea for like 10 years. Certainly something to "actively" celebrate!

And PS: Can we have penis appreciation day/month too? I do appreciate penises. Very much. And breasticles, too, of course.
KeraBear
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Sep 29 2011, 12:20 PM) *
I saw this on a bumper sticker today and thought of all of you:

"Change how you see, not how you look."

Aw yeah.


I love this! smile.gif

QUOTE(karategrrl @ Sep 29 2011, 12:26 PM) *
And PS: Can we have penis appreciation day/month too? I do appreciate penises. Very much.


ooooh... i can so get behind this... or should i say this can get behind me! wink.gif It sounds like it will be hard, though... tongue.gif
skindeep1991
QUOTE(KeraBear @ Sep 29 2011, 11:36 PM) *
I love this! smile.gif
ooooh... i can so get behind this... or should i say this can get behind me! wink.gif It sounds like it will be hard, though... tongue.gif


it sure does sound like it will be a tough nut to crack, we're up against stiff competition....hopefully others will have the same views as us, touch wood.

xD
KeraBear
QUOTE(skindeep1991 @ Sep 30 2011, 06:55 AM) *
it sure does sound like it will be a tough nut to crack, we're up against stiff competition....hopefully others will have the same views as us, touch wood.

xD


LOL! I think I understand the thrust of your argument....
DeeRayy
QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 29 2011, 06:23 AM) *
I don't recommend having sex SOLELY to feel better about your body based on someone desiring you, although I don't think that's actually what anyone on here was thinking/intending. But people do it, and to me it seems a bit 1) exploitive of the person you're having sex with and 2) negatively reinforcing the idea that your value comes from being desired by others.


you have a VERY good point strongirl. well i didn't end up ever taking him up on his offer. i just really don't think i'm a casual sex kind of girl at the moment. i did, however, agree to go on a date with him. and while on the date i realized that i just really wasn't into him and so now the thought of having sex with him makes me feel dirty! haha. so at this point i think i might need to invest in a vibrator.

btw, VERY bad boobie day today. you all know that i've been dealing with medical issues lately. and over the summer they seem to have disappeared, which leaves me with mixed feelings. i was recently found to NOT have thyroid disorder after all. so, my doctor then wanted to test my hormone levels to rule out pcos. well, it turns out my hormones are fine and i'm just paranoid. you would think that this would have made me feel better about my body. however, i had been really convinced that i had a hormonal condition and that that was why my body looks the way it does. and i secretly had hopes that maybe i could be treated with hormone therapy and that this could help my body look more filled out. and now that i know that there's nothing to be treated i'm feeling very frustrated. it's like i'm starting all over again. and it's very hard for my doc to truly convince me that i'm perfectly normal when i feel everything but normal. so this weekend has been a rough one for me.
karategrrl
DeeRayy, I hear ya, and I so respect your out-there honesty, which is so brave and gutsy. So, if I get what you are saying, basically you feel you are having to face something you had come to feel was medically explainable and treatable. So now you no longer have that explanation and you feel like you're back at square one? I am sorry the weekend was challenging. If I could offer up something (besides a big 'ol hug), it would be something I came across recently that helped me a LOT-- the idea that even when we feel we're "back at square one," we're not really, b/c just having gone through whatever it was that took us to that place does, by definition, change who we are by the time we're "back at square one." A huge variable--OURSELF--has changed, which makes us NOT truly back in that place. What this might mean for you, if anything, is something only you can answer, but I do hope that gives you somethng to think about and maybe feel hopeful about. smile.gif

And you ladies seriously crack me up with your naughty little innuendos. Getting cocky, huh? wink.gif
strongirl
LOL, I can always count on the "members" of this forum for "penetrating" insights. wink.gif

DeeRayy, <<hug>>!!! I'm sorry you're going through a rough patch. Karategrrl's thought about never being back at "square one" is so true. I always think of it like this: in life, you can't go in a circle, you can only go in an upward spiral. Even if you end up back at the "same" place, you're not really - you've gone forward in time, you're at a higher level than you were before. So when I feel like I've come full circle, I try to look down at where I was when I was here before and figure out what's different, what am I supposed to get out of it this time. Getting pretty metaphysical here and off topic, but hopefully helpful.

The other thing I thought I'd throw out in case it's useful is that if you truly feel that there's something "wrong" with your body, that you are not experiencing vibrant good health, then don't give up trying to improve it. It's possible that even if you don't test as "abnormal" from a medical viewpoint, you're not in optimal balance for YOU. Focus on getting as healthy as possible with nutrition, exercise, sleep. Try meditation! Read up on superfoods and what foods promote the best hormonal health. Do 5 good things for yourself, such as buy incense or essential oils so your space smells great, eat fabulous healthy meals, take a yoga class or follow along with one of the great ones out there on YouTube, go to a spa or hot springs or take long bubble baths at home, get a massage. Promote your own well-being and be kind to your self and let yourself feel good. And yes, do invest in that vibrator!!! Orgasms promote hormonal health, I am sure of it! smile.gif

And if you're truly convinced that there's something medically wrong with you, get a 2nd opinion. No doctor is right 100% of the time and especially with thyroid, there's controversy over what number to call "low".

Again, DeeRayy, <<hug>>!!!


karategrrl
QUOTE(strongirl @ Oct 4 2011, 04:33 PM) *
LOL, I can always count on the "members" of this forum for "penetrating" insights. wink.gif

OMG, just when I thought you ladies could not possibly make me laugh any more!

QUOTE(strongirl @ Oct 4 2011, 04:33 PM) *
It's possible that even if you don't test as "abnormal" from a medical viewpoint, you're not in optimal balance for YOU. ...

Holy crap, you are SOOOOOOO right on!

And let me also suggest YogaToday for streamng free yoga classes. (Thanks, I didn't know about classes on YouTube!) And I LOVE your spiral analogy! Great way to look at it!
KeraBear
I know how it is, DeeRayy... well, not EXACTLY how it is. I've never dealt with thyroid issues, but like four years ago when i was 15, i was sooooo frustrated because i was short, lite-weight, barely any breasts to speak of, no period yet .... yeah, i was absolutely convinced there was something wrong with me and worked up the courage to ask to see a doctor about it. Nope. "You're normal," my doctor exclaimed. Normal! I was actually disappointed! I was certain that they would be able to give me some magic treatment to instantly make me blossom! So i know the feeling anyways. And yeah, it kinda sucks.

But karategrrl and strongirl have certainly done a good job of reframing the situation. Perhaps looking at it in a new light, hopefully you can accentuate the positives??? Eaiser said than done, I know...

*hugs to DeeRayy*

oh yeah, and it sounds like you made the right decision about the "booty call."
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