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Vendetta
What's the difference between wishing breast implants or wishing some "natural" method, besides risks? I know some women that never had problems with their implants, were said that they last forever these days unless some problem happens and have them for years and say it was the best thing they have done to themselves, cause these days, they don't think about their breasts anymore. In terms of "societal" stuff, to go bigger with "natural tissue" would be just the same as " I am wrong the way I am so I wish I was bigger" as it is in breast implants. We all wish we were bigger. Not having breast implants is an ideal we all have but ladies, the problem is to wish we were bigger. Not the breast implants itself. People do what they can do to feel better about themselves and at the time breast implants are the solution. The problem is why do we all wish we were bigger. Of course breast implanted girls wished they could be injected with natural breast tissue... as you do. Then being "implanted with natural breast tissue" would be as wrong as it is to be implanted with silicone, they would still be fake. We want natural solutions to our "problem" but there are never going to be any, they'll always be fake, never yours truly. Are you against "wanting to be bigger" or against " breast implants"?
crinoline
I don't think it's that people are against "wanting to be bigger", I think it's that people are against a society that MAKES us feel that way. A society in which it is normal and accepted for women with perfectly healthy breasts to undergo major surgery just to fit into some ridiculous ideal. I've discovered that that particular ideal is just not for me. No more than the ideals of being tall, tan, and thin are.
I don't think it's really the same to become bigger through some hypothetical natural means as it is to get implants (and even if that was available, I'm not sure I'd do it- what would I say to my likely small-breasted daughters?). My father is a physician and he has told me that all breast implants require lifetime maintenance and repeat surgeries, no matter how advanced or if they're saline/silicone. It is still a foreign body implanted in your chest.

I don't even want big breasts, I just want to be allowed to accept my body as I am, without being (subliminally) told that I'm somehow incomplete.
karategrrl
QUOTE(crinoline @ Jul 11 2008, 02:44 AM) *
I don't think it's that people are against "wanting to be bigger", I think it's that people are against a society that MAKES us feel that way. A society in which it is normal and accepted for women with perfectly healthy breasts to undergo major surgery just to fit into some ridiculous ideal. I've discovered that that particular ideal is just not for me. No more than the ideals of being tall, tan, and thin are.


Thanks for backing me up, crinoline. wink.gif

Yes, I know, the problem is all of us wishing we were bigger. But I don't even want to be "big," just enough to make bra shopping easier. I also wish I had narrower feet--it would open up my shoe possibilities in a huge way.

And I do see a difference between major surgery and something noninvasive--as we've discussed before, it's a matter of "how far are you willing to go?' there's a huge difference between dying one's hair, painting one's nails, exercising to lose weight, wearing certain clothes, wearing makeup....and MAJOR SURGERY.

I'm the first to admit I may sound hypocritical at times. Yes, I love myself the way I am, yes, I wish society were more accepting of all body types, including those with small breasts...yet, I am a product of my environment to some extent and, yes, I have my moods where I just wish I were bigger--just the same as some men might wish they were taller, some women might wish they had different color eyes, some people with disabilities might sometimes wish they did not. I'm, um, human. rolleyes.gif
neurotic.nelly
Sometimes, I have contradictory feelings. Once in a blue moon, I wish I were a little bigger. For the most part I am glad that I have small ones. I am soooo glad that when I wear a low cut shirt, I have no cleavage bc I do not like the attention that comes with it. I get enough attention for my sexy back and ass, but I do not have to see it as much because usually my back is turned.

crin, you made some excellent points. Main point, the messages that we all receive about being incomplete or not good enough. I say enough already. Unplug your mind and think for yourselves.

karategrrl, i love this..."I'm, um, human". smile.gif
Vendetta
That's what I was saying yep
knorl05
i think it has a lot to do with how we are told, as women, we are supposed to be "perfect", with perfect meaning this very specific ideal. sure, it may be primarily force fed to us in the mainstream, but because most people choose to swim in those waters, we've got to deal with their predictable response to our unique form. again, i dont want to be bigger for any other reason than to balance out my body. not to be more "normal" but just so that i wont be less than "normal". i can honestly say, with my friends, the people i choose to associate, they could give two shits how big my tits are.. the less perfect i am, the better - because i'm a real live human person, like karategrrl said. and i could care less how big my friends' tits are, because they truly are more beautiful the more unique they choose to look. so part of the reason i've not been in this thread is because my beliefs about boobies have pretty much been established already. i love others' perspectives and experiences with this issue, but i personally dont feel like putting any unnecessary attention to something that is not changing about myself. the only thing i can do now is simply accept myself as i am. small boobs, thick legs, unusual form and all. i've found that, for myself, less emphasis on the things i dont like about myself, and more emphasis on the things i do.. is the healthiest way to go.

much love and respect to my fellow busties.
neurotic.nelly
mr nelly says, that boobs are boobs, so it's important that boobs are different cos' if all boobs were the same size that'd be boring. boobs are attached to bodies. the body is the substance or the vehicle for our consciousness or the spirit. so, if they are going to judge you based on your boobs than that main stream is polluted. do you wanna go fishing in toxic waters. your gonna get some six eyed fish or a pervy assed guys.

eta: we both support all small busties finding their way, whichever path they choose. i wanted to give you gals my guys perspective.

i recently totally crushed out on a girl at wholefoods, she was tall, and very small breasted, and the nips were at full salute. she was wearing sweet high heeled mary janes and dressed like a sexy secretary. small breasted and oh. so. hott.
purplestain
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jul 11 2008, 06:10 AM) *
Yes, I know, the problem is all of us wishing we were bigger. But I don't even want to be "big," just enough to make bra shopping easier.


This, as I'm sure all of you can attest to, is a major problem. Media stereotypes, the porn industry, advertising - they all try to dictate to us what looks Good and Normal, and they profit off it. But bra companies? When they ONLY offer products that conform to the popular image (e.g. super-padded small bras) and/or completely ignore the demographic of consumers that need products that actually FIT THEM... that's just bad business sense. There are enough of us out there to warrant our own special line of bras, our own unique marketing scheme. There are very few circumstances under which I would consider buying a $55 bra, but supporting a company like Itty Bitty Bra (and getting a cute bra that fits!!) is one of them.

It's so frustrating to go bra shopping in vain and wish that you could change to fit the bra; but in reality, designers should be changing the bra to fit you.
starship
I've become a little bored of dwelling on my boobs

I think there is a difference between wishing for breast implants and wishing for naturally bigger boobs Vendetta. We all do things every day to push ourselves closer to our own ideals of beauty. Whether it be painting our faces, chopping off various bits of hair or eating certain foods. Most women do it as we all have an idea of what we'd like to look like. However the line has to be drawn when we start to feel the need to let someone cut open our chest and stuff in foreign objects- not to mention having to fork out our life savings for the pleasure. I don't see anything wrong with wishing your breasts were naturally bigger though. Its the same as wishing you had curly or straight hair and should be taken to similar levels of extreme and no more. For example, if you want straight hair- you straighten it.What you don't so is get a bloody scalp implant. I don't think I'm making my point very well but at least I know what I mean:/

I wouldn't want to be a girl with fake boobs. I see someone with implants and I can't help but imediately associate them with various stereotypes. I see a women proudly showing off her small breasts (not literally) and I can't help but assume she is a strong, interesting and intelligent women who I want to know more about. And before anyone jumps in- I'm not saying that women with big boobs look stupid/unrespectable/any other foolish assumption.
karategrrl
QUOTE(neurotic.nelly @ Jul 12 2008, 05:25 AM) *
i recently totally crushed out on a girl at wholefoods, she was tall, and very small breasted, and the nips were at full salute. she was wearing sweet high heeled mary janes and dressed like a sexy secretary. small breasted and oh. so. hott.


HOT. Thanks for sharing! One of the sexiest women I ever saw (also in Whole Foods!) was a woman with her head shaved. (Which so totally flies in the face of people who think women are only sexy w/long hair.)

I've been feeling much better about me and the whole breast issue, no small thanks due in part to all of you. It's been awesome to talk and think through all the thoughts I have on the issue. I agree with what knorl said about putting emphasis on your best features--this is what my focus has been lately. It's probably what consistently makes me feel better when I feel down about this (which has been less often).

BTW, I thought of a great comeback to anyone who suggests I get breast implants. Feel free to use it, ladies:
"Yes, ten grand will buy me a pair of fake boobs, but all the money in the world can't change the fact that you're a genuine asshole."
starship
QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jul 14 2008, 06:23 PM) *
"Yes, ten grand will buy me a pair of fake boobs, but all the money in the world can't change the fact that you're a genuine asshole."


haha, love it
Glad you're feeling better about all this. I think I am too..or at least I've been thinking about it less, which can only be a good thing.


QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jul 10 2008, 03:26 PM) *
Note: This is where I find myself saying, "C'mon, scientists, we have iPods, pocket computers, vaccines against disease and pills that make men hard...where is the daily "add-a-cup size" pill? Or monthly injection to stimulate mammary gland growth?


Im pretty sure it's possible after seeing this in the news boobs... although preferably minus the "increased cancer rates, partial facial paralysis, miscarriages, ear infections as well as depression, asthma, migraines and dizziness". Even so I'm sure they could come up with something if they tried hard enough
karategrrl
QUOTE(starship @ Jul 15 2008, 12:13 AM) *
haha, love it
Im pretty sure it's possible after seeing this in the news boobs... although preferably minus the "increased cancer rates, partial facial paralysis, miscarriages, ear infections as well as depression, asthma, migraines and dizziness". Even so I'm sure they could come up with something if they tried hard enough


Let's all lay out in a crop field and get sprayed, ha. "Look, Farmer Brown, you planted corn but I grew boobs!"
karategrrl
I saw this unbelievably gorgeous teen girl in a bikini at the beach last night. The best was, she had tiny boobies and no padding in her top (while I had my mucho padding suit on!). I also noticed another good looking woman in a halter top--no bra--who was small as well. It was a proud moment! And I was so tempted to throw out my padded top!!
strongirl
Woohoo!!!! Yay!!!

Do it, Karategrrl, put away the padded top and flaunt your sexy little titties in a skimpy, revealing one that amps up the sex vibe in the air around you and inspires other small-breasted hotties to do likewise! It'll make the world a better place.

neurotic.nelly
Yeah! I say do it! Throw that padding to the sky! Oh boy, that would've been a sight... if you'd actually done it right then and there. laugh.gif
karategrrl
laugh.gif laugh.gif You grrls rule!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

You are right, of course!!!

"Oh boy, that would've been a sight... if you'd actually done it right then and there"

Actually, I put my sweatshirt on over it and complaining that the top felt clammy. Hubby was untying the neck knot to get me to ditch the top. wink.gif


Heh, is this like bra burning?
i see eleven
Hey girls, i'm new to the thread, i've lurked the last day or two and love what i've read. you girls really do rule!
you are very inspiring for me. yesterday i was walking into the store and as i always am i'm looking at all the larger beautiful breast on women wishing i had them, but then i remembered what i had read on this thread and i immediately felt better about myself and not wanting to hide or feel invisable. i kinda felt like i was part of an elite club that only (seemed) like few members could join. i loved my small chest, even if it was for an instant. all thanks to you girls. i haven't loved my chest for quite a while, but i really want to. i don't want to want bigger natural breast, i want to want what i have. i also want you girls to want and love what you have. i'm not a very positive person but when i read the comments that are negative or sad about small chests it makes me feel bad that yall feel bad about yourselves. i watched the youtube clippit "flatly stacked and i looked at those girls and thought they were so beautiful. it made me feel beautiful. because a part of me looked like them.
i used to wear padded bras but after a while i decided i didn't want to fake it anymore. like i wasnt' being true to myself so i went out and found a "nearly A" size and it felt wonderful. i've been looking for other bras and realized after some weight loss that i never actually graduated from the little girls department. i have yet to try on one from that department though. i just thought they didn't make my size. but i realized that they've been making it all the time, it's called the training bra. never in my wildest dreams did i think a 29 year old would not be able to fill an A cup. wow. but i'm so glad i'm not alone.
God bless you girls!
starship
I see eleven- welcome:) & it's called a AA-cup. although Im not suprised you've never heard of it because theyre so damn hard to find.

I think the padded-bra buring should remain a hypothetical liberation. purely for the sake of the ozone layer.

I found a dress that fits great and actually wore it braless (big step for me). Ive seen the photos from the day I wore it and you cant even tell any difference from when im wearing a padded bra:/. all that clammy discomfort has been for nothing.
I also shopped with an E-cup friend last week which made me pretty grateful. I have to hunt around a bit for a bikini that's flattering but that's nothing compared to what she goes through. First she had to find one that actually covered her breasts (harder than it sounds), it also had to be mix&match type because if it came as a set the bottoms that came with the top would be far too big, any that actually came in her size where usually very expensive and after all that she was left with very little choice regarding style/colour/etc. I felt a bit guilty about being able to take my pick from more or less any style/price/shape

I keep reading about young girls getting boob jobs as 18th birthday presents (sometimes younger). grr
karategrrl
Welcome, i see eleven!

SO glad that our little corner of cyberspace has made an impact on you. I, too was floored to find this forum, and honestly, it has made a huge difference in my life. Corny but true.

Yes, implants as presents for 18-yr-olds. Grrr is right! ohmy.gif huh.gif mad.gif blink.gif sad.gif

I truly think breast implants are a quite unfortunate invention. Their existence has made--and will continue to make--a profound (negative, I believe) impact on our society. I know a couple of you may shoot me down, but this is what I believe and I'm entitled to my opinion.
strongirl
Good stuff and thanks for sharing, Karategrrl.

I love the bits by guys who love small breasts, either as a preference or with no size preference, they just love titties. Makes me want to flash 'em all to show my appreciation of their appreciation! smile.gif
i see eleven
a couple interesting things, about those articles, which i liked very much, thank you karategrrl....

...that the sponser of the second article is a macy's bra ad with a woman with large breasts and the second is the 3'rd site of the "support group type thread"...the users have pictures by their names of large breasted women...???? is it just me?

thanks for the sites.
karategrrl
i see eleven, it's not just you. I, too, did notice the large-breasted avatar pics, and thought it was just me being sensitive.

After hitting "refresh" a couple times on the 2nd article, I noticed the Macy's ad cycling with a bra enhancer product as well. Yes, very interesting.

Maybe there's just a shortage of nice pictures of small-breasted beauty to choose from in comparison to large-breasted? I dunno, just a thought.

DJ biz-monkey, Where are youuuuu? We miss you!
bob4both
Let me lend my support (no pun intended!) to the small-breasted woman. I find them incredibly sexy, especially when they display an air of confidence in themselves. I think you'd be surprised to know how many men feel the same way. I may be stirring the pot here, but I disagree with the comments in the articles about "media & men" creating the big boob craze. I think a lot of the image problems are created by other women. Just my opinion, though...
i see eleven
i havent spent to much time doing this but i'm wanting to find the actresses and models that have small chests. gwen stefani always comes to mind. the first time i saw her on a music video i couldn't believe what i was seeing, not seeing...cleavage! and she was beautiful and sexy and confident and showing her body without excuse or reservation. at first i wasn't sure what it was i liked so much about her but as i saw her more i realized that it was her confidence in her body that looked similar to mine. she was so different than the "norm". she's giving me hope...however i think i noticed that she had a bigger chest in one of her camera commercials. i was so scared that she got a boob job. i really don't know. but i was google imaging her and found some fantastic, no reservations pics of her and some that look like she's almost flat. i think i'm still in unbelief that a woman can be that absolutely beautiful and famous and not have big boobs. she's my hero!

debra messing,
goldie hawn,
kate hudson,
a lot of the fashion models,
sandra bullock
kate moss
keira knightley
paris hilton
just to name a few i'm sure...
lets add some more.......??????
rachael ray?? indirectly motioned that she uses/ed the cutlets.
michelle pfiefer

keep adding if you think of any
.................................................
i came across this link and liked it, again, most of the views have already been voiced here... or it may have already been posted...

www.gurltalk.org/index.php/archives/9
neurotic.nelly
Hey big welcome to you i see eleven, we had some drama around this thread, and it seems to have slowed down a bit. But, it is sure to pick up again soon, glad you've joined us! And I love the list you've started, I think I will start one too:

Joan Jett
Sienna Miller
Alicia Silverstone
Lucy Lui!!!!
Evangeline Lilly from Lost, yeah baby tough and sexy! Whoooo!
Bai Ling
Claire Danes
Sandra Oh
Dido
Charlize Theron
Rihanna
Selma Blair
Shakira
Jennifer Lopez
Zhang Ziyi
Sarah Michelle Gellar
Thandie Newton

Oh hell, f-it, here's the list
Please note that what this website finds small boobed is just hilarious in this super sized culture. Big ups to small boobs!!!


bob4both,
thank you for your opinion. i happen to agree with you. i have friends who are lesbian, and some of them are worse than men when critiquing women's bodies. in fact, one of my friends always said that she can get undressed faster in front of men than in front of women because she is fat and women are quicker to judge her than men. the only way to end sexism, is if women quite complying to the B.S.

i see eleven, we cute small breasted women are so crazy, sexy, beautiful in our own way. never let anyone tell you different. dismiss those comments, because they are of ignorance. Peace.
starship
That link to the list was brilliant nelly:)
Although quite a few shouldnt really be there (dodgy angle rather than tiny boobs) it was still nice to see all those people on one page. I hadnt even noticed that a lot of them have smaller breasts until now- the whole confidence thing is obviously true! A lot are padded out/airbrushed for film roles etc so we dont always see their true shape (Im thinking keira knightly in the Pirate of the Carribean posters). I'm bookmarking that page for future pick-me-ups
Hope youre all well & happy x

: on further inspection..not a big fan of the captions
karategrrl
Random unrelated thoughts:

Good gurltalk article, though the "flat chested" joke got old real fast. the positive self-talk, I can attest, DOES help a lot.

bob4both, I for one do appreciate your comments.

I know I'd never get breast implants, but a scenario that amuses me is for one to get implants and then meet the partner of your dreams, only to find out they prefer smaller and natural! laugh.gif

GREAT lists, ladies. I think I will have to wallpaper an entire wall with magazine photos of these women. wink.gif (And one of me, too!)
anarch
Speaking of positive affirmations, someone passed this along to me recently: "Research shows that others see you as 20 per cent more attractive than you think you are." (Not assholes of either sex, obviously.)


I meant to post this a while back: I'd left my desk for a while with the browser open to this thread. My husband needed to use the computer & close down some of the windows I'd left open, so he sat down, glanced at the monitor, and asked, "Are you done with the...Beautiful Breast Support Group page?"

dj-bizmonkey
here i am! sorry ladies i have been completely out of the loop for the last few weeks. i've been slaving away on a presentation for an upcoming monkey-people conference across the pond and i haven't had time to get in here. now i'm in a coffee shop, on family vacation, hunched over my computer because i'm just slightly embarassed about the forums i'm reading. ah well......

there is SO much positivity going on in here, i love it!

welcome to i-see eleven, please stick around!

i agree that women certainly contribute to the body image problem through our obsession, denigration and competition with one another. HOWEVER, i think men that sit by complacently and take part in the criticism and deconstruction of the body of every woman passing by are part of the problem too. i get the whole 'boys club' thing, but i think a lot of women would feel more secure if they didn't have to hear the men in their lives criticize celebrities, e.g. 'keira knightley would be so hot if she had boobs,' or 'beyonce is getting fat and she isn't hot anymore.' even though we're the ones with breasts, i don't think this is a 'gendered' issue. luckily, so many of the women in this forum, myself included, have men in our lives who love and appreciate our bodies. NOT only because they are beautiful, but because they are part of us. it feels good to be seen as a whole and not reduced to the sum of our parts.

anarch, i'm sure that research is accurate. we never see ourselves as others see us. anyway, i have to run now but i promise to right more tomorrow!

((busties))
karategrrl
QUOTE(anarch @ Jul 24 2008, 08:33 PM) *
My husband needed to use the computer & close down some of the windows I'd left open, so he sat down, glanced at the monitor, and asked, "Are you done with the...Beautiful Breast Support Group page?"


Hugs to your hubby!!!
i see eleven
hey girls!

i just had to relate what happened yesterday, a real break thru for me. i was invited to join my (large breasted) sister in law to the little "water park/splash pad" thing for our kids to get wet and cool off. i didn't hesitate to put on my barely padded swim top(just enough to not see nips) on and join her, along with all the other moms of different shapes and sizes not mention dads. i decided it wasn't going to be an issue- breast size/shape etc. it was fantastic. i felt good about myself and i didn't wish i or anyone else was different. it was such a relief. to not have that worry about what i might look like, what others might be thinking about my small chest. i used to put a strappless padded bra underneath this top but i said no to that long ago.
my sister in law made a comment about a girl there walking around and said that "ok, wow, she's perfect" and my first thought was ... not to me......anymore! she was moderately slender, dark, long blonde hair and big chested. i refused to compare myself, others or her to someone and it felt great. so liberating.
i didnt try to hide myself or pump up what i usually would. i was self accepting, even if for a while.
and i've been experimenting around the house...just wearing a tank top with no bra so it's form fitting. and it's nice to not fake who i am. and i do it with my husband around. cuz i've decided i'm not going to rely on him to make me feel ok with myself. i'm even been lying on my back while watching tv with him in bed with no covers over me (the worst position right girls!?) i'm flat chested and i accept it now. it sure takes/took a lot of valuable energy to hide that part of my body that my God created for me.
can i also say that i hate it when boobs are refered to being connected to the said person. like there connected with wire or bolts or nailed in place. i'm not my boobs and my boobs don't make up who i am. my boobs are as connected to me as my arms legs toes hair etc. now to "breast health"...who says "arm health?" "toe health" "knee health" "breast health" sounds rediculous to me. if my "boobs are not healthy" then i am not healthy. why have we decided that a part of our body makes us who we are? big or little. i could make a lot of comments here but i'll spare you.
i've never really had a voice before about this thing that's why i'm writing so much. if i'm not doing this for anyone else, it's for myself. thanks for letting me share my thoughts and feelings even if they change from day to day. smile.gif
i know i couldn't have had such a great few days if it wasn't for your girls' support, thoughts and contributions to this thread. thank you so much. i really hope we can stick together and be good examples to everyone, not just our fortunate group of small busty girls/women but those future small busties and the children we have, girls and boys, big busty girls/women and men alike. that we have a choice to love ourselves no matter what anyone says or what the world says.
i have no idea if i've made any sense here but thanks again and thanks for the warm welcome.

and Anarch- that was a nice, tender thing for your husband to say.
karategrrl
i see eleven, what an awesome post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is inspiring to hear all about your positive inner changes. (I had to laugh because I, too, am well aware of the laying on back=smooshed flat thing!!! I usually cover up.)

QUOTE(i see eleven @ Jul 25 2008, 08:57 PM) *
i've never really had a voice before about this thing that's why i'm writing so much. if i'm not doing this for anyone else, it's for myself. thanks for letting me share my thoughts and feelings even if they change from day to day. smile.gif
i know i couldn't have had such a great few days if it wasn't for your girls' support, thoughts and contributions to this thread. thank you so much. i really hope we can stick together and be good examples to everyone, not just our fortunate group of small busty girls/women but those future small busties and the children we have, girls and boys, big busty girls/women and men alike. that we have a choice to love ourselves no matter what anyone says or what the world says.


I couldn't have said it better myself. I am so grateful for this little corner of cyberspace. Once in a great while, I come across another so-called small-breast support sub-site, but this is, by far, the best!!
edie52
I'm echoing your "yay." Yay! Keira looks breathtaking in that first pic, too.

And it made me think of this, by Leonard Cohen (it's just the first 4 lines of a longer poem):

Beneath my hands
your small breasts
are the upturned bellies
of breathing fallen sparrows.
starship
keira really is fab'.

A quote on some article about implants that for some reason I really liked- "As a 100% red blooded male they are repulsive, give me Keira knightley any time"

(the article- http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/femail/artic...largements.html which I didnt really read properly after being educated on the crapiness of The Mail by some other busties. I'm always interested to read the comments on such articles though...)

I think lately I've finally become 100% set against not having a boob job. previously there was still a tinyy part of me(no pun intended) which was toying with the idea. but the small ones are here to stay. woo

I_see_eleven- i love love loved your last post:)

I've been getting told I look young a lot recently. Words such as 'preteen' have been used. I'm pretty sure my boobies have had some part to play in the whole fiasco
neurotic.nelly
another one I'd add to my list is M.I.A.. Heeheeha! I heart this.
karategrrl
http://men.style.com/details/blogs/details...ready.html#more

Even more interesting than this article are all the comments. And this is in a men's magazine! One of the most interesting comments is, "In our culture, men desire women while women desire being desired." WOW. I never thought of it that way, but how true. That viewpoint certainly explains a LOT.
karategrrl
Interesting site! (But sad!)

http://www.myimplantstory.com/
oceangirl
I so want to design my own bra line. very much so.
oceangirl
has anyone ever ordered bras from lulalu.com? what was your experience? good? bad?
edie52
Karategirl, I saw that site before. I think anyone thinking about implants should read it. Did you see the impants that were full of black mold (in the "other people's stories" section)? Or the breast that had a hole in the flesh!?? Sexy, right?
karategrrl
QUOTE(edie52 @ Aug 6 2008, 12:28 PM) *
Karategirl, I saw that site before. I think anyone thinking about implants should read it. Did you see the impants that were full of black mold (in the "other people's stories" section)? Or the breast that had a hole in the flesh!?? Sexy, right?


OMG, yes. Horrible, just horrible. I think most people just don't know--or don't want to know--of what can happen. I'm not saying it's like this with every set of implants, as I'm sure many, many procedures go as well as possible, BUT (as I've said before), even the best, complication-free implants don't last forever. The new set--and every replacement set thereafter--means surgery, anesthesia, recovery, cost (not covered by insurance), and another set of scars. Ew, no thanks.
strongirl
Ugh, yeah, gross and scary. And sad.

Have you all noticed the trend toward "downsizing" among celebs with big breast implants? Jenna Jameson, now that British glamour model Katie Price.... I personally think that there's a trend starting, right now in the early phases, but I predict an anti-implant, pro-small breast trend coming up. Which sorta sucks for all those women who paid the price, physically and financially, to get implants. But I do think that cultural preferences wax and wane - it's hard to see sometimes when you are younger, but you can see it as you get older. And this uber-boob craze...the pendulum is starting to swing back.

I saw in an article on Katie Price that her husband, who met her after she was an implanted 32E glamour model, loves to look at old pictures of her when she was a natural B cup and prefers them to her current look. So for all of you who stress about your male partners preferring or fantasizing about big boobs, you could be Katie Price - famous Page 3 model with 32E's and your hubby jerking off to your old pre-implant pictures. LOL

Copeless
I think it might even be a matter of money, as usual.

First, big breasts were hyped to sell implants & big bras. Now they've got those girls locked in, because they have to go back repeatedly for re-do's.

An alternative to waiting for them to get re-do's (for money to be made on them) is to shift the style to small, so that they'll spend money taking their implants out & reconstructing their breasts (lifts, etc.) back into small ones. Also, there is money to be made on women who are naturally large, if they can be convinced that smaller is better.

The big breasts thing may have hit it's uppermost pendulous...I mean pendulum... swing when soccer moms started getting boob jobs. Maybe they feel they've gotten as many people as they could to buy into that whole thing, so now they need to sell something else to make more money.

(I don't know who "they" is...the surgeons I guess??? Bra and clothing manufacturers???)

Maybe it's all just economics & marketing: they'll promote what they need to in order to make the most money.
Copeless
(reply to a post in which someone asked if anyone had ordered from Lulalu)

I've ordered several bras from Lulalu. No problems. Great experience. Love the bras.

aaalingerie.com is another good one.

knowknockers.co.uk is good for aa, a, and b sized bras, but I have to say that both times I've ordered from there, the bras have arrived REEKING of cigarette smoke, so I had to wash them before I could wear them. rolleyes.gif They were definitely new, in package, but whoever packs up their shipments there seems to have an out-of-control tobacco addiction. wink.gif
karategrrl
Copeless, that's an astute observation about the moneymaking thing. I think you are dead-on. "They" try and show us ladies how we "need" face creams, silky-smooth bikini lines, etc. etc. If they can convince us we all need bigger boobies or other surgery to look "right," it's all part of the same consumerism. Of course, surgery--especially surgery which inserts a foreign object into the body--is a much bigger deal than face cream! That's where I draw the line.

Why were breast implants invented in the first place? To make money, of course. The saddest thing is that in the process, the self-esteem of tons of women is getting targeted. A couple hundred years ago, women might have felt like they "needed" a tighter corset or something, but technology has brought us breast implants...wow, what progress! wink.gif


I saw one of those soccer moms at Home Depot Saturday--she was walking past us with her husband, two kids under ten, and her breasts. I noticed immediately since they were just too large for her frame and they really bobbing up and down, and she had some really dark veins on her chest (which, along with stretch marks, seem to be common on many implanted women). Apparently, implants have become quite common among women in this group, who are dealing with post-pregancy and nursing sagginess, and who also feel like they have given so much to their families and marriages and they want to do something for themselves. I am not against breast lifts, but since implants are known to cause so many health and financial problems, I do find that disturbing. Ah, but everything has the choice of whether or not they possibly endanger their lives, wipe out thousands of dollars that could be put toward kids' college educations, and seek to "fix" their bodies rather than their self-image. <Ahem.>

On to the bra topic, I ordered several bras from aalingerie.com and none of them fit right--cups too big, even "AA" ones. I had to send them back and go back to my Target teen bras. Too bad, since the aalingerie bras are really very pretty! But that's just me--since everyone's proportions are different, they may fit you well, so don't let me discourage you.
karategrrl
www.marygreen.com has some nice bras, too--and reasonably priced. I've bought from them. Their customer service wasn't great, but the bras were.
strongirl
Karategrrl, the comparison of implants to corsets, and Copeless, the comment about it relating to profits, are very astute observations. While I'd be happy to see a cultural shift from uber-boobs and implants to small natural breasts, the whole concept of our breasts as fashion accessories is disturbing to me, no matter which "style" of breasts is considered "in". I don't think there's an organized "they" plotting the whole thing out, but I do think exploiting and manipulating womens' insecurities about their bodies is a very real dynamic in plastic surgery, fashion, and personal care products industries.

The only remedy is for individual women to just say no to it - to love our bodies in all their beautiful diversity, to care for them by doing everything we can to enhance our overall health, and to enjoy them and take pleasure in them.

My take, anyway.
karategrrl
I agree totally, stronggirl. I don't think there's any organized "they" either--just being tongue-in-cheek.

Feel the love, ladies--especially for ourselves! wink.gif
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