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olivarria
(Double-posted in feminist outrage and Texas threads)

Exciting opportunity for all pro-choice Texas ladies:

Lobby Day 2009!

Join hundreds of Planned Parenthood supporters from across the state for Lobby Day on Thursday, March 12th.

This is your chance to meet with legislators to let them know how important preventive health care and education are for Texas women and their families. You will also have the opportunity to meet Cecile Richards, President and CEO of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Cecile will be spending the day with us!
Transportation, lunch and training will be provided for FREE!

Lobby Day Training in Austin, Texas
Thursday, March 5th, 10:00 a.m. - 11:30 a.m. OR 6:00 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. OR
Saturday, March 7th, 11:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m.
Planned Parenthood Administrative Office, 201 E. Ben White Blvd., Austin, TX

Do you plan to attend Lobby Day with hundreds of other Planned Parenthood supporters and Planned Parenthood national president, Cecile Richards? Then be sure to sign up for one of the mandatory trainings at the time that is most convenient for you. We will cover all you need to know to be prepared to talk to your elected officials about why preventative health care and education are important to you. Refreshments will be provided. Please RSVP to simone.nichols@ppaustin.org

For anyone interested in the San Antonio area please contact karina.gil@pptrust.org or by calling (210) 736-2244 ext. 320 for mandatory training information.

Lobby Day Training in Austin, Texas
Wednesday March 4th 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 a.m.
OR
Tuesday, March 10th, 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 a.m.
Planned Parenthood Administrative Office, 104 Babcock Rd., San Antonio, TX

More information can be found here: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppaustin/lobby-day-2009-21607.htm.

This is an incredible opportunity to make your voice heard! Hope to see you all there!
anarch
(x-posted in Tell Me About Your Abortion, in OBOH forum)

Feministe has an interesting discussion about "Why are even smart liberal men freaked out about abortion?"
anarch
Great piece up at Shakesville:

Adoption fucked up my head far worse than abortion. I've googled over the years about the psychological aftereffects of giving up a baby, and what little I found is astonishing. Depression and suicide rates ridiculously high, comparable to PTSD - and beyond a shadow of a doubt, there is no way you can cook any post-abortion trauma study to come anywhere near post-adoption trauma levels.

via
culturehandy
James Kopp appeal denied.
anarch
RIP Dr. Tiller, who was murdered this morning for the following:

"Dr. George R. Tiller specializes in terminating late-term pregnancies after the fetus has been diagnosed with a birth defect: a deformed heart, missing kidneys, Down's syndrome, anencephaly.

He calls his work a "reproductive ministry," and he offers his patients many of the same services as the hospice. Tiller encourages parents to hold, dress and photograph their aborted children, whom he delivers stillborn but intact. His staff takes ink-prints of tiny feet and hands; he brings in a chaplain for baptisms. Letters from grateful patients line the clinic's walls."




hellotampon
That's so sad. I feel like crying even though I've never met the guy. He was someone's husband, father, grandfather.
anarch
Me too.


From the same place I got the previous link, memories of Dr Tiller from someone who he helped:

"my wife and I spent a week in Dr. Tiller's care after we learned our 21 week fetus had a severe defect incompatible with life. The laws in our state prevented us from ending the pregnancy there, and Dr. Tiller was one of maybe three choices in the whole nation at that gestational age. . . . "

angie_21
That really blows. There is a photo of him on wikipedia and he looks like a really sweet, gentle person. What an amazing thing to have done with his life. That isn't even about feminism, it's about valuing human life in reality instead of just in principle. You would have to be such a strong person to help people with such a difficult, painful decision, and to share their grief every time. I hope the clinic doesn't close.
anarch
A Heartbreaking Choice is a website for parents who have made the decision to end a much-wanted pregnancy due to severe or lethal birth defects.

Yeah, Limbaugh and his ideological zombies are celebrating the murder of a man who saved women's lives and helped reduce both their suffering and that of their very much wanted fetuses.

Democracy Now this morning played clips of Tiller speaking (so compassionate it blew me away), interviews with his colleagues and attorney. I could have done without the clips of Limbaugh spewing his poison but the rest of it was good.
tommynomad
One of the things that amazes me about the gulf between pro-choice and pro-life is that people cannot see the obvious compassion expressed by people on the pro-choice side. They often seem to turn a blind eye to the vitriol spat by those on the pro-life side. It's not 100%, of course: I've seen some pretty caring pro-lifers. But I've never seen an angry, hateful pro-choice activist, and I think that says something.
auralpoison
Y'know, were it not for Dr. George Tiller, I'd have never volunteered my time & put my life in danger by being a PP escort, which was a harrowing, but POSITIVE experience for me. Yeah, I voted pro-choice & donated here & there, but it just felt so much more real on a street level trying to help some poor women ignore the taunts & threats of vitriolic strangers.

Growing up, my family went to Wichita frequently & we passed by his clinic all the time & saw the protesters with their posters. I didn't understand what an abortion was until I was twelve or thirteen or so, I was just horrified by what I saw. Once I knew & understood, my heart went out to the people that were in positions where they had to get one, but I was sensitive to the fact that it was *their* choice.

I'm not too terribly proud to admit it now, but in hs we used to drive past with watercannons loaded with . . . shall we say *dubious* contents & spray the protesters. But we NEVER FUCKING KILLED ANYBODY with watered down pickle brine or spoilt milk.
Mermeg
I actually cried when I heard about Dr. Tiller. It's just so...distressing. It makes me have scary hateful thoughts about not only the murderer but pro-life zealots in general. And the things some of them are saying in the media? It just...ugh, I have no words. I actually try not to read most of it, especially when it elevates to the point of being sensationalistic (which doesn't take long these days).

I got an e-mail about a PP of CT vigil tomorrow night but I have to work and I have a job where there's no one to fill in and I can't leave early and leave the other person alone. Frustration.

I've had 2 abortions and been fiercely pro-choice/feminist ever since (I considered myself those things prior to my first abortion but it wasn't until that relief set in that I realized just how strongly I felt, hence the fierceness). However I'm more of an activist in theory than in practice which I'm not proud of. I know it's time to step up and actually do something. AP, I like what you said about your experience as a clinic escort. I know I could do that, hard as it may be. Really, the harder it is for women the more it makes me want to help.
grrrlyouwant
man, i've just been in shock since i read about it on jezebel sunday night. i have vague late 80's/early 90's recollections of clinic bombings and an abortion doctor hit list, but dammit, i thought we were past all that, that the forced birth advocates had moved on to politically making it harder for women to have access to abortions. i've been following along in the newspaper, and i've noticed that in all the stories, they mention that dr. tiller aborted fetus' that were past the viable point, and that he was sued for performing "illegal" abortions. none of them mention that her was acquitted of the charges (ie, they weren't illegal) or that the abortions were done on fetus' that wouldn't have a chance of life outside the womb, except for maybe a few short hours filled with pain and suffering. none of them mention that he helped women, that he and his staff were caring and compassionate, and the women and their families were grateful to him. just "hey, look at this guy who performed controversial procedures and the pro-life movement hated, and some nutball finally got him". viablility was the main issue they focused on, no mention that the pregnancy was wanted, and the woman chose to abort to save her baby from a short life of agony. as if a woman wakes up one morning in her fifth month of pregnancy and says "you know, swimsuit season's coming up, and a baby belly just wouldn't look right in that cute bikini i saw on sale at the mall." it makes me positively ill. if it were possible to just be trained in women's health and providing abortions, i'd sign up right now. dr. tiller was a goddamn hero, and an advocate for women and their right to decide for themselves what was best for themselves and their families.

and has anyone else heard the news yesterday that the guy who murdered tiller won't be getting the death penalty? i'm positively fuming. the guy gunned down a man, in a fucking church of all places. i'm not particularly religious, but even i recognize that some things are sacrosant, and there are things you just. don't. do. the da says there are "circumstances" that prevent them from seeking the death penalty, but i can't imagine in this case what those circumstances could be.
devotchka
alluna, I had to fight tears when I read that blog post. It's disgusting and wholly wrong. It's a wonder people can live with themselves after talking such upsetting and effective bullshit.
lowredmoon
NY Times op-ed piece about Dr. Tiller:

http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/george-tiller/
anarch
QUOTE(grrrlyouwant @ Jun 4 2009, 10:46 AM) *
man, i've just been in shock since i read about it on jezebel sunday night. i have vague late 80's/early 90's recollections of clinic bombings and an abortion doctor hit list, but dammit, i thought we were past all that, that the forced birth advocates had moved on to politically making it harder for women to have access to abortions. i've been following along in the newspaper, and i've noticed that in all the stories, they mention that dr. tiller aborted fetus' that were past the viable point, and that he was sued for performing "illegal" abortions. none of them mention that her was acquitted of the charges (ie, they weren't illegal) or that the abortions were done on fetus' that wouldn't have a chance of life outside the womb, except for maybe a few short hours filled with pain and suffering.

that's a great op-ed, lowredmoon, thank you.


Yes, that context that his late-term abortions were of anencephalic or faceless or whatever other agonizingly malformed babies, is completely missing from most reports and discussions. The forced birthers are pushing their usual "whimsical late-term abortion" crap and how Kansas's unborn can "breathe a little easier now," as if Tiller was in the habit of hunting down the unborn by seducing the women into the idea of coming to his clinic. From what I've read, they can do it because the medical records of his patients are sealed for privacy reasons, so in the absence of his patients self-disclosing their stories, forced birthers are free to make up whatever shit they want to about "unnecessary" abortions. And even now that many patients are self-disclosing their heartbreaking stories, some forced birthers are saying, "Well so what, those cases are such a small fraction of abortions performed, what about the rest?" and "Just because those late-term stories are true, doesn't mean that all that late-term abortions were for equally justifiable reasons, where's the proof that Tiller didn't do some late-term abortions because a few women just decided they didn't want the babies after all?"

One commenter (can't remember where I read it) pointed out that they start from this presumption of guilt that demands forensic analysis of every case, to come up with proof that ok, these women's abortions were justified (according to the subjective criteria of whichever busybody thinks their standards should be imposed on everybody else in society), but A-HA! A-HA! these other women's abortions were done for mere lack of financial ability to care for them / mere resistance to the idea of bearing the child of an abuser / mere "mental health" (a la McCain) risks!

I'm pissed about the first degree murder thing too.

This pandagon post had me laughing my ass off though. Contraceptin' and abortin'! and the comment from Renmiri and 2:21 pm is good too: "The first thing I always ask to someone who supports a pro-life fund is what day care facility does that pro-life fund has. I get a cluelles surprised look and I say “Surely if you want those mothers to have the babies you are making it easier for them to work after the baby is born ?”. A person with real good faith immediately sees the contradiction: The “pro-life” place has no care for new mothers, i.e. they couldn’t care less about mothers and babies. Lie unmasked."

over an Obsidian Wings, an ex(!) "pro-lifer" has been politely but pointedly arguing that the private discussions and public rhetoric of mainstream "pro-lifers" makes them entirely complicit in Tiller's murder. Insider's perspective, heh. I highly recommend scanning the thread for all his comments. (for some stupid reason, it's not letting me link to specific comments, but the first ones are at June 3, 1:07 pm, 1:33, 6:38...)
anarch
huh, I somehow stuck my response to lowredmoon in the quote tags for grrrlyouwant.
pollystyrene
Tiller's clinic is closing. mad.gif sad.gif unsure.gif
girltrouble
that sucks, poly. you know the people on the right will see it as a victory.

i am just astounded that there has been this constant killing of abortion doctors, yet it is still left to local law enforcement to protect these doctors, with the fed, from my understanding, having only an advisory role. i think this gets to the heart of the problem, too: police chiefs tend to be republican, they are unwilling or uninterested in using their resources for something they see as immoral. but it goes to the president, this terrorism-- and make no mistake this is nothing but terrorism-- happened on obama's watch. if he decided that the fbi should protect these doctors instead of local yokels, this would have never happened, but he is too interested in building bridges. there is a time and a place for moderation, but these people whose goal isn't simply to eliminate late term abortions, or abortions in general, they want to deprive women of any control of their bodies, these people should not be negotiated. they should be given no quarter.
angie_21
That seriously sucks. I agree that this, and most anti-abortion "protesting," is a form of terrorism, because it is using death and voilence to make women aftraid of doing something that is completely legal and accepted by much more of society than pro-lifers realize. These people are complete wingnuts. Just the image of these zealots standing outside of a medical clinic yelling "mommy, momy, save me" and taking photographs of the people going in, it's terrifying. When people protest environmental destruction or war overseas, they are surorunded by police with tasers and pepper spray, where are the cops here? Why is there no supervision of protests that are known to be connected to bombings and shootings?

I know that Obama is not the saviour and messiah everyone makes him out to be, but just because it happened while he is in power, can you really say this happened "on his watch?" Everything that has led up to the increasing religious zealotism and violence in the USA seems to me to be a direct result of 8 years of policies and programs laid out by Bush. He cut scientific research and secular education, increased funding to religious groups, and constantly spoke publicly about God, connecting religion and politics, even using religion to jusify voilence, such as for the war in Iraq. Obama has a lot of work to do just to stop these attitudes from getting worse, never mind making things better, and it's only been half a year!
girltrouble
somethings i will gladly attribute to bush, like the economy, or the war. those are things that it takes a while to change. the president isn't a godhead, there are a lot of things he needs congress to do, but there are some things (read scrapping don't ask/don't tell) that he can do with a stroke of a pen. but pro-choice organizations have been warning of an attack on clinics and doctors since the election. the problem is that the doctors and clinics security has essentially been left to locals, which is absurd. attacking clinics/doctors is a federal crime, but the feds are hands off on these sort of affairs, not for some logical reason, but tradition. obama being a moderate, is more interested in not making waves when it comes to abortion (see his campaign conversations about abortion and his speech at norte dame). if you look at the history of attacks on clinics/doctors it has been consistant, and the one glaring thing, why doctors keep getting killed is the hands off attitude of the local enforcers, and the feds. his administration was warned of the potential attacks, it happened during his time in office. this is no less his fault than 9/11 was bush's.

ETA: i understand (and agree with) some of your points, angie, particularlly about this being atmospheric, but when the rubber hits the road, this to me is a law enforcement problem. these people need to be seriously protected, they are not.
lowredmoon
Operation Rescue says they're considering buying Tiller's clinic.

I didn't think I could get angrier. They've proven me wrong.
crazyoldcatlady
if they bought the clinic, then a bunch of pro-choicers should picket their establishment with pictures of octomom and other multiparous monstrosities
angie_21
QUOTE(girltrouble @ Jun 9 2009, 02:31 PM) *
ETA: i understand (and agree with) some of your points, angie, particularlly about this being atmospheric, but when the rubber hits the road, this to me is a law enforcement problem. these people need to be seriously protected, they are not.

That's really good point, and I also didn't know there had been recent threats against clinics. Also, if this case isn't handled properly now, it will set a big precedent and continue to lead public opinion in entirely the wrong direction.

Not to get into a completely off-topic, rambling, political discussion, but at the time I don't think anyone blamed GWB for 9/11, and I still wouldn't. I mean, the conflict between Western and Muslim cultures is a huge, multi-national, ideological problem that has been going on for decades, and was becoming worse thanks to a lot of economic factors. His administration was warned ahead of time too, and didn't take proper measures tp protect people, and that's sad and pathetic, even worse because then they used it as an excuse to take extreme (and in my opinion, unjustified and unconstitutional) security measures after the damage had already been done. But the problem with terrorist attacks of any kind is that they are very hard to defend against without taking away a lot of people's rights, freedom, and privacy, so until the underlying political, ideological, or economic conflict that leads to these attacks is resolved (good luck, and a big job!) good people are put into danger.

That being said, would it really have been that hard to beef up security around the few abortion clinics that exist in America, when they clearly are, and have always been, threatened with violence?
anarch
RH Reality Check has an interesting "big picture" piece on patterns of violence against clinics:

"During the entire Bush administration, from 2000-2008 there were no murders.

During the Clinton era, between 1994-2000 there were six abortion providers and clinic staff murdered, and 17 attempted murders of abortion providers (one of these attempts was on Dr. Tiller who was shot in both arms.) There were 12 bombings or arsons during the Clinton years.

During the Bush administration, not only were there no murders, there were no attempted murders. There was one clinic bombing during the Bush years. . . .

In the last year of the Bush administration there were 396 harassing calls to abortion clinics. In just the first four months of the Obama administration that number has jumped to 1401. . . .

Battered women are at greatest danger of being killed by their abusers when they are most strong--that is, when they muster the courage to leave. The same phenomenon may be true in the abusive political abortion debate. The pro-choice movement, specifically our abortion providers, are in the greatest danger of violence when we take power. When the anti-abortion movement loses power, their most extreme elements appear to move to the fore and take control. The murder of Dr. Tiller suggests that violence against abortion providers may be far more linked to the power, or lack thereof, anti-abortion groups have politically than to laws designed to increase penalties against such acts."

However the article glosses over the excellent point that lax law enforcement enables and emboldens these criminals. Too many people in positions of authority (law enforcement and politics) privately think Tiller got what he deserved. And I recognize the argument that it's impractical, too, in an environment where people in positions of power just don't think it matters much compared to other crimes that spill blood more often. In MA a year or two ago, there was a proposal to extend the buffer zone around clinic entrances to 35 feet. Well it got reported in the media that the existing law already had a buffer zone of 18 feet. True, but within that 18 feet, the law also said that protestors couldn't come within 6 feet of people entering the clinic, without permission. Yeah, that's what the law said, but in reality, to catch protestors breaking that law? Would require 1. posting a cop there for all the hours there were protestors, watching, and 2. people entering the clinic to announce "You don't have my permission to come near me / touch me" assuming that there was a cop there to hear, which there wouldn't be, because they're busy with already-happening murders, drug busts, etc. So of course the buffer zone didn't mean much except that the clinic escorts around the door only had to rub elbows with protestors on one side, not all sides.
angie_21
QUOTE(anarch @ Jun 16 2009, 03:11 PM) *
Battered women are at greatest danger of being killed by their abusers when they are most strong--that is, when they muster the courage to leave. The same phenomenon may be true in the abusive political abortion debate. The pro-choice movement, specifically our abortion providers, are in the greatest danger of violence when we take power.


Word. I had already been assuming that the publicity over Obama's support of stem cell research has been a bit of a factor.
Mermeg
Did anyone catch the Daily Show interview with Huckabee? I just made the mistake of watching the full version online and I am seething. The bullshit this man spews is not only hypocritical, but illogical. I can't decide if my favorite part is when he refers to the women he used to counsel (scary) and posits they were basically forced to have abortions and they must look back now in horror, or when he says to Jon "[the unborn child] should have the same rights and protections that are afforded to you and to me", at which point I yelled "but what about to the women??? $?!!#*&@!!" Or perhaps it's when he stated that it's scientifically proven that life begins at conception. Oh really? Gah!

Jon did okay at refuting him, but even he admits he's moderate on this issue and goes too easy on Huckabee, IMHO. I've been hearing the term "common ground" tossed around a lot lately, and honestly, fuck common ground. It may sound immature or stubborn but hello, my body, my choice. I really wish these creeps would just move on already and worry about things that actually affect them.

pollystyrene
Yeah, I watched the interview yesterday. Huckabee just doesn't get it. They [pro-lifers] only believe in science when it favors their position. They have no understanding that it comes down to the woman's personal decision. Like when Huckabee talked about whether or not a person has the right to own another person, which Jon Stewart was sort of taken aback at, and Jon replied, "well, does the government have the right to own the woman?"

And then the point that Stewart made about how research for IVF requires using dead embryos, and he says something like "to be consistent in the pro-life argument, that's murder." And Huckabee somehow argues that it's not because the intentions aren't to murder.

His whole argument is just so wishy-washy- he never really answers any of Stewart's questions, like when Stewart points out that we, pro-choicers and pro-lifers, could find common ground if we agreed that education and resources to prevent unplanned pregnancies from happening in the first place would reduce the occurrence of abourtion, but that pro-lifers would have to sacrifice some of their "core principles", like abstinence and no birth control to do that. And there's not really a clear yes or no answer- he just says that he'd be in favor of anything that honors human life (yeah, that's vague!)....argh!

And the example he gives of a generation of people who have been raised in a legal abortion world and how he's afraid that when he's old, his kids will be okay with telling him that he's an inconvenience and costs too much money, so they're going to have to end his life......what a load of crap.

Does anyone know anything about that statistic he throws out, that 93% of abortions are elective and don't have anything to do with saving the life of the mother or a baby who'd be born with a birth defect? Sounds skewed to me.
angie_21
Glad I didn't watch that. He's news on the Canadian side of it:

Two arrested in BC clinic protests

angie_21
And also, I love The Onion

The Onion: I'm Totally Psyched About This Abortion!
candycane_girl
Arghhh, I was just on Facebook and I noticed that over at the "suggestions" area one of my "friends" (actually just some random girl i went to high school with) was a fan of "Say no to abortion!!" I don't think it's even a group. I guess I shouldn't be surprised because people can make pages for just about anything on Facebook but it bugged me even more when I searched "pro choice" and the first result was an anti-abortion group.

Also, while I know I shouldn't judge other people, the girl who is a fan of this page is the same age as me (almost 25) and is now pregnant with baby #3. Apparently she had the first one at 18 and still doesn't understand the concept of contraception.
crazyoldcatlady
i suppose this is as good as any place to post this.

born too soon

it's about extreme prematurity and the right to continue or discontinue care. it got me thinking today: if elderly/otherwise terminally ill or health compromised individuals can make themselves Do Not Resuscitate or Comfort Measures Only* why can't parents of extremely premature children choose DNR or CMO for their, essentially, terminal neonates?



*even their health proxies, like Durable Powers of Attorney, or Next-of-Kin can make these decisions for them if they're otherwise incapacitated
anarch
Thanks for posting that, COCL. Of course it should be up to the parents. Being in that situation would be...god. Wanting to save them from suffering but being overridden by doctors.

I came in here to post this RH Reality Check about mainstream and right wing spin on abortion in the health care bills, but one of the comments gets at something I've never thought of: 95% of patients paid for abortion care in cash, even if their insurance would have covered it. . . . especially if the patient worked in health care or for an insurance company, she would be sure to pay in cash so that her medical record would never reflect the fact that she'd had an abortion. I work hard every day to decrease the stigma of abortion, and even I would think to the few patients who handed me their cards - WHY are you using your insurance?? Do you know how many people could get access to your insurance information? This record will follow you FOREVER??

Now that she points it out, I can totally understand why people would do this, but is the stigma more symbolic or are there really concrete, probable effects from having "abortion" in one's medical records?
xexyz
QUOTE(anarch @ Jul 29 2009, 12:39 AM) *
but one of the comments gets at something I've never thought of: 95% of patients paid for abortion care in cash, even if their insurance would have covered it. . . . especially if the patient worked in health care or for an insurance company, she would be sure to pay in cash so that her medical record would never reflect the fact that she'd had an abortion. I work hard every day to decrease the stigma of abortion, and even I would think to the few patients who handed me their cards - WHY are you using your insurance?? Do you know how many people could get access to your insurance information? This record will follow you FOREVER??

Now that she points it out, I can totally understand why people would do this, but is the stigma more symbolic or are there really concrete, probable effects from having "abortion" in one's medical records?


I don't know what kind of clinics that person works at but for an abortion not to go into a person's medical record just because they paid cash does not seem right at all. I'm not a clinician and we don't perform abortions at our clinic but everything our providers do in terms of medical care goes into the patient's medical record. I find it inconceivable that a major medical procedure would not be documented in a person's health record, regardless of any exteraneous factors.

angie_21
Wow, I never thought of that either. I just know that I would sure use my insurance, because either way, some crazy Christian has probably taken your picture walking into the clinic, your name must be in the clinic records somewhere, why not at least get your coverage?

Xexyz, I think maybe the clinic itself keeps records, but people pay cash so it doesn't go on their bank or credit card info, and doesn't get on the insurance system. Their record ends at the clinic, not lord knows where in digital informaiton land. My doctors office sure doesn't just give my medical info away to anyone who asks, it stays there unless I ask it to be faxed to another office or lab, and I don't even get access to the damn paperwork myself in the process! If I went to 3 different clinics for the same problem, no one would know unless I told them. I mean, I don't even know my own immunization history because I lost my immunization card, and have been vaccinated at too many different clinics to keep track of. I asked a clinic where I was getting vacinnated at once, and they said they couldn't get that information unless I knew it myself. All that is hopefully changing with the invention of the internets, which seem to be very slowly being introduced to Alberta health care.
nickclick
QUOTE(crazyoldcatlady @ Oct 19 2009, 05:01 AM) *

luckily, A lawsuit alleges that the measure violates the Oklahoma Constitution and hopefully it's sucessful. definitely worth following.
crazyoldcatlady
i had a dim but measurable hope that someone would see the ridiculousness and take their ass to court.

i'm never sure how close roe v wade is from being overturned. my conservative sister and mom think it's not going anywhere; my punk rock first wave activist friend keeps her 1960's backroom abortion supplies "just in case".

i tend to think they're just going to chip away at it until it doesn't even matter.
nickclick
cocl, i love your example! and i agree; history doesn't show social progress reversing so far that laws change back, but i don't see this ebb and flow moving in our direction so quickly either.
xexyz

Good article on abortion in the US
koffeewitch
Thanks for the great article, x. Sisters we need to start paying attention because we are in some SERIOUS shit, here. Stupak's amendment could be interpreted to mean that an abortion can not even take place in any hospital or clinic because these facilities receive govt. funding. It also means that the women lucky enough to have health care (private) will no longer be covered without purchasing a separate rider for abortion. Those of you still in your twenties were born in the era of choice, and may take Roe v Wade for granted, but most Americans remember when abortion was not legal in the U.S. I am disturbed that women collectively made NO overt protest over Stupak's sneaky attack on our rights. I also sincerely believe that if Clinton were president he would have vetoed the bill. I have a lot of anger at Clinton, but he did do a better job at protecting our abortion rights.

If you want a real horror show, google Bart Stupak. He is a supporter of the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality acts and wants homosexual acts to be punished BY DEATH (in Uganda). ALso, anyone in Uganda who did not turn in known homosexuals would be subject to inprisonment up to 3 years. Stupak is a member of "the Family" some weird fundie club that he stays with when in Washington. Michigan Busties could probably tell us more goodies about him; this is one crazy fundie motherfucker.
gluelita
he sounds charming. i have heard tell of weird fundie club in washington and it is Teh Creeps.
they timed this well because i think everyone is more freaked out about the war/economy than repro. rights at the moment.
nickclick
surely this story will be used by the crazies to rally against medical abortion.
anarch
via feministe, an excellent breakdown of what the real intent of "parental notification laws" is
jsmith
Scott Roeder convicted of murder. Only took 37 minutes for the jury to bring the verdict, that's pretty awesome. Let that be a message to other murderous anti-choicers.
stargazer
jsmith, I was relieved with the verdict for Dr. Tiller's family. Not sure it will send a message to other pro-lifers though. Not to sound pessimistic.
auralpoison
Honestly, I think the people of Kansas are just getting tired of this shit. Yes, it is overwhelmingly conservative here. But we are not all doctor murdering pricks nor are we all religious wackos. But that's who gets in the news & are then a part of the collective consciousness of the world. It embarrasses me to be a native Kansan most of the time because of this. Nobody ever asks me about the World's Largest Ball of Twine, but they sure want to know what I think of the Wichita Horror or BTK or Fred Phelps or poor Dr. Tiller & his family.
jsmith
That's how I feel being from Texas.
auralpoison
Why I'm getting an abortion. I've been following this & I think it's a really good thing that Angie stepped up to do this.
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