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jsmith
Holy shit. I didn't know that that happened. And here I thought that women were no longer considered 2nd class in the western world. "Women probably wouldn't consent to have a pelvic exam by a student, but we're going to do it anyway when they're unconscious." That is such bullshit. Whoever allows this to continue needs a good ass-kicking, or to have it tried on them.
angie_21
OK that article freaked me out, but then I reaqd the comments at the bottom and some people said that everyone is given written warnings about this when going in for surgery, and that these exams only happens in relation to pelvic surgeries and not just any old time the doctor walks in. I don't have a clue who is more accurate so now I don't know what to think

I personally would be fine with a med student doing it while I was awake, no problem there, but would never want them to do it while I was asleep! I don't want things going on down there that I have no control over. Also, how are they going to know if they are causing the patient pain, how to deal with the patient "clenching up," how to deal with the awkwardness of it, if they only practice on someone who is unconscious and unresponsive? That is just plain bad medical training.
stargazer
Whoa. I just finally got to this article. When students will be observing the patient, there is usually an introduction of the students with the patient. I wonder if some hospitals are able to get away with this behavior if they are a "teaching" university, i.e. students/interns work there.

I will say that I had a student observe my gyne exam about 2 years ago. They didn't have me sign a consent and, at the same time, I didn't mind. This article has me looking at that situation differently now.
auralpoison
In light of a recent conversation with a friend this irks me even more than I thought it would My New Pink Button. WTF? I thought the whole "anal bleaching" thing was starkers, but now I gotta worry about my puss, too?! Aren't most guys just happy to fucking be there? Is my partner concerned that my thirty-five year old vajayjay isn't eighteen year old porn star pink?

The colour of my box is just fine, thanks. I've looked at it & think it's quite pretty; I can't say that over the years it has lost any of it's "pinkness". So fuck you, My New Pink Button.

x-posted in OBOH
xexyz
No ski jumping in the Olympics for women

I had no clue there was still this kind of discrimination in the Olympics of all things. It's stupid, too, and you know that sexism is the reason behind the discrimination when the IOC gives vague reasons such as "does not reach the necessary technical criteria" and "seems not to be appropriate for ladies from a medical point of view" for not including women's ski jumping.
jsmith
QUOTE(auralpoison @ Feb 12 2010, 03:08 AM) *
In light of a recent conversation with a friend this irks me even more than I thought it would My New Pink Button. WTF? I thought the whole "anal bleaching" thing was starkers, but now I gotta worry about my puss, too?! Aren't most guys just happy to fucking be there? Is my partner concerned that my thirty-five year old vajayjay isn't eighteen year old porn star pink?

The colour of my box is just fine, thanks. I've looked at it & think it's quite pretty; I can't say that over the years it has lost any of it's "pinkness". So fuck you, My New Pink Button.

x-posted in OBOH


I would only buy it if it came in glow-in-the-dark green. But somehow, I don't think it does.
kittenb
I just don't understand how people have time to think of all of that and still have energy/intrest in sex. If I actually worried about every uniquely colored part of my body I don't think I would ever leave the bathroom. At some point I just have to say, "This is how the Goddess made me. Deal."

xexyz - what I know about ski jumping could be written on a pin but, yes, I tend to get annoyed when words like "medically appropriate" are used to limit the actions of totally health women.
angie_21
xexyz, I was floored by Dick Pound's comment at the end of the article

"If in the meantime you're making all kinds of allegations about the IOC and how it's discriminating on the basis of gender," he warned, "the IOC may say, 'Oh yeah, I remember them. They're the ones that embarrassed us and caused us a lot of trouble of trouble in Vancouver, maybe they should wait another four years or eight years.'"

How this man says the things he does and is still in charge of an international event, it just makes my blood boil. this is the same man who said in 2008 that 400 years ago Canada was a land inhabited by "savages." He's a total ass and Canada somehow feels its appropriate to let him represent us to the world.
auralpoison
Hey, you! Yeah, YOU! You do know that rape is partly YOUR FAULT, RIGHT?! WTF?! So rapists aren't responsible for their actions because a woman left her house without wearing a burqa or a man to protect her? Rape can happen to anybody anytime, it doesn't matter what a person is wearing.
kittenb
Oh good lord, AP! I don't even know what I would do if someone handed me that pamphlet but I bet it would count as a sin in someone's book. Not mine, most likely.

Fucking morons.
deschatsrouge
*slaps forhead*

I get it now! To not be raped by some sociopath Christian fundy I have to go around wearing a burqua. I'll remember that next time I go out in public.

*runs out to buy a burqua*
crinoline
wow ap. That pamphlet hurts my heart.
I live deep in the bible belt, and I can tell you that there are plenty of people who really do believe that dribble.
My best friend was sexually assaulted and the rounds of finger-pointing from her family and "friends" was shocking.
There's often just no reasoning with religion.
jsmith
That doesn't surprise me, since religion isn't even based on reason.



This brings out the violent, snarling beast in me. How about you?
auralpoison
Wow. The Hustler people have gone to some great lengths for publicity stunts before, but this really takes the scumbag cake. I doubt they're actually aiming to publish them, they're just trying to get their name out there since paper media is floundering. Who needs to buy Hustler when internet porn is free? Why Fred Rosen is involved, I don't know. The article failed to mention Rosen was also a writer for the NYT & is a fairly successful investigative reporter/true crime writer. I read his book on Grady "Lobsterboy" Stiles.
angie_21
I imagine they are asking for the photos as part of their "research" on what must be a story on sexual predators. They will probably describe the photos in gruesome detail but it won't be anything worse than shit they've published in the past. There is no way a mainstream magazine like that would get away with actually publishing photos of a dead person. Even if they wanted to, they may have the legal right to access the photos, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't give them the right to publish the photos.

I think it's scary that this is being used as a reason to deny open access to information about a crime. The politicians are overemphasizing the "dirtiness" of hustler to get people all emotional and stop them form considering the acutal implications to free & open access to information
auralpoison
See, I can't find anything truly specific on Hustler's intentions. Everything I've read that seems *factual* just says they are seeking access to the images, it doesn't say why. It largely seems that the media is jumping on them wanting to use it as a torture porn centerfold & I'm just not finding anything more than speculation. Frankly, I've seen a LOT of crime scene photos with black bars here & there to hide the gore in more mainstream magazines for years. It's just the Hustler name that's making this into such a big deal.

I don't know how many of you are AVClub readers, but I have a lot of pop cultural obsessions & the AVC serves me well. I'm not a frequent commenter as it's mostly a boys club of clever/more hipper than thou, douchebag internet jockeys (With healthy doses of lazy, institutionalized racism, homophobia, sexism, etc.), but I found the comments on this article about Well-intended Yet Misguided Feminist Anthems to be really interesting.

And for the record, I'm not wild about almost any of the songs on the list as being particularly feminist anthems. Most of them are corny & cliche. The BK song isn't one of my favorites, I'll probably always prefer "Feels Blind" or something else.
crinoline
ap - One of those comments led me to this article Shrodinger's Rapist , which is fantastic.
I don't know if it's been posted before, but it's certainly worth a read.

Sorry for slight derailment, please continue with the usual programming ...
auralpoison
It got posted like, five or six pages back, it's always good to read again.
Persiflager
Late response to the pelvic exam discussion:

I had (female) students observe my last smear test, my last STD check and my coil insertion. In every case I was asked for my (verbal) consent beforehand, and it was made clear that I was under no obligation or pressure to consent. I was very happy to contribute to the medical training of future doctos who might be treating me one day, and would not have objected to male students observing either.

As far as I can tell, it used to happen in the Uk but doesn't any more.
auralpoison
Yemeni girl, thirteen, dies of genital injuries inflicted by husband of a week.
kittenb
What the hell? What is wrong with that man?
angie_21
They can legislate all they want, but it won't change anything until attitudes change. whatever makes a man think he can do that to a young girl for his own attempted pleasure can't be stopped by laws alone. Even if it could, all it would change is that these things would be happening to 19-year-olds instead of 13-year-olds.
angie_21
small victories:

Hate speech conviction for south african man who said woman accusing the president of rape must have had a "nice time."

If you google the story there's a lot of other articles on it, including to issue of freedom of speech, It really made me sick reading people's comments (on other articels) who said that no one should ever be charged with hate speech because it sets a dangerous precident for freedom of expression. As if allowing people in power to make comments that indicate women deserve rape doesn't set a dangerous precident.
deschatsrouge
QUOTE(auralpoison @ Apr 8 2010, 10:35 PM) *
Yemeni girl, thirteen, dies of genital injuries inflicted by husband of a week.



QUOTE(angie_21 @ Apr 11 2010, 08:04 PM) *


*sigh*
auralpoison
Okay. So this is fucked up. After all of the pain & drama of trying to conceive successfully, then practically DYING, this woman's asshat ex-husband wants to keep her children away from her because she is disabled from excessive blood loss during childbirth. He believes it will traumatize the children to see their mother. He claims she's in a vegetative state, but the footage didn't look Terri Schiavo to me: the lights are on & somebody is clearly home in this woman's mind. I imagine if he brought the kids by even once a week it would improve her quality of life ten-fold.
enfermera
that is absolutely outrageous. if the visitations had never been stopped in the first place, then the children would already be accustomed to their mother's condition. there would be nothing traumatic about it, particularly since they're not even old enough to be comparing notes with their peers. he should have had no right to stop the visitations in the first place, and doing so created a huge dramatic situation and could quite likely have contributed to a decline in her status. who the hell does he think he is??
auralpoison
The Chinese are doing even more family planning.

The single mindedness of the Chinese government just amazes me. Yes, they effectively put a stop to their booming population, but at what expense? Oh yeah, an entire generation of something like 25 million men that won't be able to marry because they ABORT or otherwise dispose of female fetuses & babies.
koffeewitch
What does the Chinese government really hope to do with all these virile young men with no family attachments? Historically, young unattached males are trouble for a government. If China doesn't start a war to kill some of these "dangerous expendable young men" off, they will soon have real reason to fear their citizens. They are MORE than Machiavellian enough to do just such a thing as start a war to eliminate their undesirable troublesome young males. Funny how nobody thought this problem out beforehand...
pepper
ACK! They are breeding a generation of soldiers with no adult human love in their lives or family attachments, nothing but their country to live or die for! Effing scary!

koffeewitch
Exactly. And they know these discontented young men just might turn against them so they need to secure their loyalty and give them a purpose. Very effing scary.
auralpoison
Y'know, I try really hard to respect other people's religions even though I think religion is basically a load of horse puckey designed to keep the masses down. But some of this shit is just too much: Cleric claims that promiscuous women cause earthquakes. SERIOUSLY. The fact that men are uncontrollable beasts tempted by the merest glimpse of an ankle makes it women's fault for (pun intended!) faults because they are immodest. Nevermind the fact that Teheran was built upon dozens of fault lines & that they have been warned for years that this could lead to catastrophic consequences for the city & it's denizens. Seismologists are full of shit, it's seeing a woman's shape & a snatch of her hair that's causing all the tectonic shifts.
koffeewitch
Golly Aural, it makes perfect sense to me. See, there is this ANGEL who controls the weather. Really. And if you anger this angel by slighting the one God, the malicious shit unleashes a tsunami on your ass. ( I also strive to be a certain amount of respectful toward others' most cherished belief systems, but I guess I am just gonna have to take a big fat "F" in religious tolerance today.)
pepper
No one else tempted to fly over there and run through the streets naked? I mean, if we're that powerful and all let's show 'em what we can really do.
I can do some earth shaking fucking in the name of, well, what would that be in the name of anyhow?
Persiflager
Who needs a nuclear deterrent when you've got Paris, Britney and LiLo?
auralpoison
Jordan weighs sterilization of disabled women.

I remember a classmate of mine having to run home to soothe his severely mentally disabled sister when she got her first period. She completely freaked out every time she got it & they did eventually sterilize her because it stressed them all out so much.
koffeewitch
Just got word that the Supreme Court struck down a law that would ban the sale of "crush videos". Crush videos are essentially snuff videos of animals; I guess the general theme is of women in high heels torturing and murdering animals for the sexual gratification of animal sadists, etc. The legislature struck back with a new version of the bill (thankfully) HR 5092.
pepper
BOOBQUAKE!!!

a facebook event

"Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) increases earthquakes," Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was quoted as saying by Iranian media. Sedighi is Tehran's acting Friday prayer leader.

I have a modest proposal.

Sedighi claims that not dressing modestly causes earthquakes. If so, we should be able to test this claim scientifically. You all remember the homeopathy overdose?

Time for a Boobqauke.

On Monday, April 26th, I will wear the most cleavage-showing shirt I own. Yes, the one usually reserved for a night on the town. I encourage other female skeptics to join me and embrace the supposed supernatural power of their breasts. Or short shorts, if that's your preferred form of immodesty. With the power of our scandalous bodies combined, we should surely produce an earthquake. If not, I'm sure Sedighi can come up with a rational explanation for why the ground didn't rumble. And if we really get through to him, maybe it'll be one involving plate tectonics.
angie_21
fuck the edmonton police service. Last year a cop was drunk driving and killed a teenage boy, and didn't recieive disiplinary measures because he was off duty. He kept his job and wasn't even properly charged. Now this

Police say attack on lesbian wasn't a hate crime

They are corrupt and based on other reports, it wasn't a mistake that the officer didn't file the case, and we all know he won't be disciplined. If you go to the CTV homepage there's also a video clip. They don't mention anywhere that the woman was hospitalized and will be missing work until she recovers.
strongirl
OK, I've not posted in this thread before and forgive me if I'm breaking into ongoing discussions or in the wrong place, but I'm pissed and want to know if anyone else is picking up on this. So Ben Roethlisberger, the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback, rapes a 20 year old woman in a bar bathroom while 2 of his bodyguards prevent her friends from going in to help her. While the DA elected to drop the case and the victim did not wish to testify, the police reports from that night were released and it seems pretty clear cut. It was rape. The Steelers discipline him by having him sit out some games next season. So here's my beef.

I've read multiple articles about this, all by male writers, and while they all diss Ben for being a bad guy, not one has used the word rape! They all besmirch his character, question his judgment, call him a cad, say his libido needs to be placed in check, he needs to get control of his life, stop drinking, yadda yadda. Excuse me? That's like someone committing murder and everyone saying "Gosh, he ought to watch his temper". The guy is a rapist, a criminal! Are they afraid of the word? To me this seems like a major denial of the seriousness of the issue even while they pretend to take the moral high ground. WTF???!!!!
angie_21
wow. well I guess if he was never convicted or even tried for rape, the papers probably be can be sued for calling him a rapist. It could be they are doing the best they can within their legal limits.

I can't believe they dropped the case. they probably threatened her with completely trying to destroy her character in trial and making her look like she was "asking" for it. But you know what, if they have police reports thay don't need the girl to testify. Except the system is still fucking sexist. What about his bodyguards for stopping her friends, not being charged at all?
auralpoison
QUOTE(strongirl @ Apr 29 2010, 09:23 PM) *
I've read multiple articles about this, all by male writers, and while they all diss Ben for being a bad guy, not one has used the word rape! . . . The guy is a rapist, a criminal! Are they afraid of the word? To me this seems like a major denial of the seriousness of the issue even while they pretend to take the moral high ground. WTF???!!!!


I understand your point, & yes, it's galling, but it's alleged rape. Alleged rapist. Alleged criminal. It's still innocent until proven guilty here in the USA.

QUOTE(angie_21 @ Apr 29 2010, 10:05 PM) *
But you know what, if they have police reports thay don't need the girl to testify. Except the system is still fucking sexist. What about his bodyguards for stopping her friends, not being charged at all?


QUOTE(strongirl @ Apr 29 2010, 09:23 PM) *
While the DA elected to drop the case and the victim did not wish to testify, the police reports from that night were released and it seems pretty clear cut. It was rape.


From the letter to the prosecutor from the woman's lawyer. ""What is obvious in looking forward is that a criminal trial would be a very intrusive personal experience for a complainant in this situation, given the extraordinary media attention that would be inevitable," wrote attorney David Walbert. "The media coverage to date, and the efforts of the media to access our client, have been unnerving, to say the least.""

Since SHE opted to drop it, the prosecutors really had no choice but to follow suit. Despite her statements, despite the statements of her friends, there wasn't much the prosecution could do with no hard evidence. Her head injury could not have been conclusively proven to have been evidence of a sex assault. They had a warrant to collect DNA/hair (both pubic & head) from Ben Roethlisberger, but it was never executed because they were incapable of getting enough male DNA from the rape kit to run tests on. Unfortunately, what seems clear cut on paper is really just so many words/circumstantial evidence in a court of law.

As far as the bodyguards being charged, by law they didn't really do anything wrong. There's really nothing criminal about keeping some women out of a bathroom. I think the strongest charges that could be pressed here would be giving booze to minors & that would more than likely be leveled at the establishment.

Basically this is the classic rape case scenario that keeps so many victims from coming forward: he said, she said. Only Roethlisberger & the woman were in the bathroom, only they know what really happened.

Unfortunately, young Ms. Aural was in a situation similar to this many moons ago. Ladies night at a trendy club, my drunken friend disappeared into a closed section of the establishment with a shady promoter. His people tried to keep me out of the area, I raised a HUGE stink & advised them if my friend wasn't returned to me within five minutes there would be Hell. To. Pay. Because I knew the owner. She was promptly returned to me a wee bit ruffled & we were escorted out of the building & advised not to return.
kittenb
I think it is important to keep in mind that one of the reasons that the woman refused to testify was that the cops & the district attourney were absolute ASSHOLES to her.

As far as the press not calling it rape, they never do. Alleged sexual assault is the most common way to say it because that can cover a variety of sexual offenses and is broader than penetrative rape. And as for the ppl saying that the problem comes down to Rothelsberger needing to controll his libido, well, they are clearly not getting it anyway. mad.gif
auralpoison
Oh, totally, the ball was clearly dropped here in myriad ways, KittenB. I mean, WTF kind of "officers of the law" have fucking PICTURES taken with the accused?! I'm just glad Sgt. Blash had the sense to resign his position & I hope he never gets a shot at a career in LE ever again. Hell, I hope he can't even get a gig as a fry cook!

Even without all the procedural BS though, it still would have more than likely been a clusterfuck of he said/she said.

Y'know, it seems like everybody involved in professional sports has some kind of major flaw in their moral fiber. So much time & energy & money is put into making these young men into money-making sports machines that any bullshit they pull is pooh-poohed & excused. Rape somebody, choke somebody, batter somebody, run whatever kind of illegal enterprise you wish, we don't care as long as you're still making us money. Slap on the wrist. As much money as the players make, the owners make it twenty-fold.

I was just reading today about a case in Australia where the guy got off because the woman's skinny jeans implied consent. Apparently because the jeans required assistance to be removed (Whatwhatwhat?!), she totally wanted his penis in her. Um, I own two pairs of flattering "skinny jeans". No harder to get in/out of than any other pair I own, in fact probably easier because of all the lycra involved. And wasn't this one of the excuses used in the Alex "Preppie Rapist" Kelly's defense? The girls pants were too tight & the Jeep Cherokee too difficult to navigate unless she really wanted it?
kittenb
Wow, the picture connected to that story is TOTALLY unnecessary! About ten years ago I think a rape charge in Italy was aquitted because the judge said a similar thing about jeans. Jeans are getting dangerous.

I agree with so many points you made AP>
auralpoison
Sorry about the picture! Honestly, I didn't even notice it when I posted.

Another charming athlete. What. The. FUCK?! What is wrong with people?!
angie_21
WTF? well you know girls we're just asking for it no matter what we wear. Skirt? clearly asking for it because it's so damn easy for the boys to get into. Pants? clearly asking for it because it's so damn difficult for the boys to get into. suit of armour and a chastity belt? clearly asking for it because now you're giving the boys a challenge they just can't turn down. In what century will the dirty old boys' club get around to admitting that the common factor here is the BOYS committing the crime?

I agree so much about the athlete thing. They're socially engineered to be "heroes" for every young generation of boys, so when they do something wrong it's covered up and made to look unimportant, rather than ever admitting there's a problem. And then they wonder why so many men continue to be violent dinks and rapists.
auralpoison
Y'know, I don't even know who this diseased dick Danny Dyer is, but I do know that he's not funny or clever by a longshot. Lad mags are so unfucking funny.
stargazer
Wow. That advice was so unfunny. blink.gif
bob4both
OK, I'm gonna steer this in a slightly different direction. This possibly could have been listed under the political thread, but it has more to do with a feminist perspective than the politics of it...or does it?

Is anyone offended that Obama never takes credit for the race of his mother, who is white? I mean, all he ever claims is being black, the heritage of his father, and completely dismisses that of his mother who had significantly more involvement in his upbringing than did his dad. It's as if mothers (women) dont matter in the politics of the world...and I don't ever hear ANYONE calling him on this. Are we too infatuated with the installation of a liberal president that we're unwilling to stir up any more controversy by pointing this out? Personally, I'm a bit disappointed in what he hasn't accomplished for bi/gay/transgenered, as well as some of the other crap that was promised (ok, I'm beginning to rant). But I hear no feminist response to the question I originally posed...
auralpoison
"You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown." - Langston Hughes

First of all, Obama is the only president that white America apparently expects to "credit" the race of his parents. I don't recall GWB having to point out that his mother was also white like his father, but that she hails from New York state while GHWB was born in Massachusetts. Seriously. What the fuck? Are the (liberal) white folks feeling left out or something? "But, but, he's HALF white!"

Obama has NEVER dismissed his mother's role in his life. EVER. She was "the dominant figure in my formative years . . . The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics." And her ethnic heritage had NOTHING to do with her being a good mother & she has not been forgotten.

Being that America is still a white majority nation (and one of the few that subscribed to the "one drop" theory), it doesn't really matter to the populace that Obama's mother was white. His father was black, Obama looks black, therefore he is black. And let's be real here: S. Ann Soetoro nee Dunham from Wichita, Kansas does not have a story that is "sexy" enough for the media or the people. Whereas Barack Sr had a foreign (read - scary scary Muslim) name, ran with controversial figures, had ties to Islam, was involved in political movements besides democracy, had allegations of domestic violence, was an alcoholic, etc. His life makes for good muckraking. A white lady from Kansas that was an anthropologist that did a lot of good work in her life isn't too terribly interesting for the scandal mongers.

As far as no follow through goes, the man inherited a thirty-odd year clusterfuck & is doing the best that he can. 95% of working households have gotten a tax break the past two years, we've had talks about nuclear proliferation, we've been talking about the environment, we are actually engaging in a little something called foreign diplomacy. As much as we may not like it, you cannot please all of the people all of the time & campaign promises are just that: campaign promises. All politicians are full of shit. Tell me, would McCain have done a better job?
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