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pollystyrene
I bought one of these Ugodog things for Tana; I figure anything that makes these 30-minute interval peeings easier is a good thing (and in the winter, it takes as much time to put all the layers on as it does to take him outside, so not having to do that is great, too).

It took a while to get him to figure out that he was supposed to pee on it, that we wanted him to pee on it, but he finally got it. I knew he had to go, let him drink some more water just to make sure, then I put it in front of the front door and acted like I was going to take him out, got him all excited to go out, but made him stand on it. After a few moments he started peeing. We gave him lots of treats and "good dog!". Awhile later I took him back to it and he peed again.

Now we just need to keep reinforcing him. After that second time, he peed on the rug in the living room and again in his kennel, even though after the rug incident I made him stand on the Ugodog for a couple of minutes. I put him back in his kennel and he peed again.

Two steps forward, one step back. unsure.gif
rubberdollz
So my husband and I decided to get another pitbull over Xmas. He's about 6 months old right now, just a super cute guy. He's blue, we named him Titan. He cracks me up because when he gets excited about something he starts snorting like a little piglet.

Wednesday he goes in for his neutering and thank god! He keeps humping our other dog all the time and everyone keeps saying it may be a dominance thing but this boy is going for a record. I think he's horny. Poor guy, hehehe....

It's weird though... we got him and about 2 weeks later my favorite kitty became ill and we had to put him to sleep. It's amazing how things end up. I was so sad to lose my kitty but then I'm happy because I've got this adorable piglet dog.
tankgirl
yay for pibbles! I demand pics! My pit is 10ish? months now. Absolute terror of an adolescent, testing EVERY boundary she has ever had, but she is so worth it. I can't wait till it gets warmer so I can take her hiking/swimming at the waterfalls again, she has so much fun, and she will have more muscle/agility to climb over some of the spots I used to have to carry her over.
Oh yah, and my pup humps too, and she's a girl, and it started when she was way too young to have hit sexual maturity.
rubberdollz
You know I would post up pics of the babes but I honestly don't know how on here? I'm a dork.

So really? Your female humpies at a young age as well? Did you get her fixed or is she still doing it even after the fixing?

Oh yeah the little guy has been testing the boundaries with us big time. His previous owner let him on the couch and we broke that habit right away. No one is allowed on the couch (well except me and the husband)! He steps on the feet and really has been trying to disobey us but luckily with our other pit we got him into training so I've been keeping with the new guy on that. I've even been working with him on leash training to get him ready for spring... it's too freaking cold right now! I'm hoping once he gets fixed (tomorrow, yeah!) it will help him a little bit. The humping is just out of control! We were kidding that he is trying to get in his last days of humping since he'll be ball-less tomorrow. Poor guy.
lunia666
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The lady who gave him to me said he is a boxer/lab mix but I think he's a beagle mix. Sorry for the fuzzie pic it's so hard to get him to sit still of more then a min.

hellotampon
My pug has a problem with his anal glands. They need to be expressed manually, or something. I took him to the vet last week and she squeezed them out. This was exactly one week ago, and his butt is already smelly and swollen-looking again. He's always chewing at it, dragging it on the floor, or squealing and doing a little dance. It seems miserable and uncomfortable for him, and I'm COMPLETELY grossed out. He leaves oily spots with an UNGODLY stench when he sits. I'm not sure that I can handle squeezing them myself, but I don't have the time or money to take him to the vet every week. I'm not sure what to do. It's disgusting to me and it's stressing him out.
pollystyrene
My dog has anal gland issues, too. I'm not necessarily too squeamish to handle it, but every time I try, it doesn't work. My bgp, who used to own him, is better at it, so I just take him over there and have her do it. Maybe the vet could show you how to do it in the future. Yuck, I know how gross that is.
candycane_girl
lunia, your pup looks adorable!
rubberdollz
HT... smaller dogs tend to have anal gland problems. Unfortunately if they do not express on their own that can cause a problem which can result in his glands impacting and once they become impacted to the point, they can explode. I know it's a really gross thing to think about but if money is a concern I would recommend investing in some rubber gloves and doing it yourself.

I worked for a vet years back and they had this little chiahuahua come in that both sides of his glands had exploded, it was really horrible and sore for the little one. I had to learn in school how to do it and believe me they gave us this thing called a "finger cot" which was an utter joke. I found rubber gloves just to do it!

It is a smelly gland to deal with because it's not quite a poopy smell. The glands are located on both sides of his butt so you'd need to extract both sides. I would talk to your vet about showing you how and save yourself time and money.
tankgirl
My dog needs her anal glands expressed every 2-3 weeks, and this is my first dog that needs it done at all. It is really easy to learn to do yourself. The only thing I can't get over is the smell, I gag everytime. Since you don't actually stick your fingers in the butt at all, you shouldn't need gloves, just a safe place to do it, the bathtub maybe? I work for a groomer so I have the advantage of doing it in one of the tubs at work then rinsing her and the tub off. It only took me 2 tries to be able to do it myself.
HT, you wipe old peoples butts don't you, you should be able to handle doing it if anyone can lol, it's not that bad.
pollystyrene
The way it's been described to me is that you push in on both sides of their anus, like popping a zit. I've tried that and nothing happens except an annoyed dog. My friend's method is to stand over the dog, with them standing the opposite way, wo that when you bend down, you're at their rear end. Hold them with your ankles/calves (I usually stand behind her and hold his collar, too) She has a wad of dry paper towels that she covers his butt with, and then presses the area, through the paper towels. Stuff comes out, the paper towels catch most of it. She does it outside and then hoses off his back end.

tankgirl
Let me see if I can describe this. First you hold up the tail, then with your other hand put your fingers on either side of the anus and feel around until you feel 2 marble like things (if they are filled with fluid that is) and you want to reach your fingers behind them and push up then out sort of and it should squirt out.

I would have someone who knows show you. If you can't afford another vet visit, is there a groomer you could visit. All dog groomers should know how to do it, it is usually included in getting your dog groomed. We do it at my place for 10 bucks, I have seen my boss show people how many times without a problem.
epinephrine
My sweet 11-year-old miniature poodle had a stroke (or possibly an embolism) today. It's like she's drunk. She wobbles around, tripping all over herself, she can't stand up without help, and she slumps to the floor when she sits. It's breaking my heart. She isn't in pain, but now she's more dependent on us than ever. She's scared to bend down to take food and water because she knows she'll fall, so we've been hand-feeding her all day. She's lost about pound in the past few weeks, which is an alarming 12% of her body weight. She's never had a great appetite, but when she's sick it drops to nothing and we're worried she'll starve herself, so we've been mixing in about a tablespoon of natural peanut butter into her kibble to entice her to eat it.

Anyone here have any experience with disabled doggies? My poor baby can't even walk 5 feet by herself now. I'm also thinking of making her some fresh food to get her to eat a little more, but she's got an extremely sensitive stomach and got horribly ill when we fed her canned dog food once, even though it was meant for dogs with sensitive stomachs. I know she's old and probably won't make it through this, but I want to make sure she's comfortable and well fed right up till the end.
stargazer
(((epinephrine))) poor doggie. sad.gif there are adjustable feeders available for dogs. my parents placed a rug under where their dog would sit when he eats. his legs can't support him either d/t his hip problems. he is able to eat on his own now. plus, the feeders are better for their digestive tracts and ease the tension in their necks with eating from a bowl. has your vet given you any suggestions to help with her gait?
sassy
QUOTE(epinephrine @ Apr 7 2009, 12:26 AM) *
My sweet 11-year-old miniature poodle had a stroke (or possibly an embolism) today. It's like she's drunk. She wobbles around, tripping all over herself, she can't stand up without help, and she slumps to the floor when she sits. It's breaking my heart. She isn't in pain, but now she's more dependent on us than ever. She's scared to bend down to take food and water because she knows she'll fall, so we've been hand-feeding her all day. She's lost about pound in the past few weeks, which is an alarming 12% of her body weight. She's never had a great appetite, but when she's sick it drops to nothing and we're worried she'll starve herself, so we've been mixing in about a tablespoon of natural peanut butter into her kibble to entice her to eat it.

Anyone here have any experience with disabled doggies? My poor baby can't even walk 5 feet by herself now. I'm also thinking of making her some fresh food to get her to eat a little more, but she's got an extremely sensitive stomach and got horribly ill when we fed her canned dog food once, even though it was meant for dogs with sensitive stomachs. I know she's old and probably won't make it through this, but I want to make sure she's comfortable and well fed right up till the end.


Has she been to the vet to verify that she had a stroke? I would do that first thing and see if there are any medications that she should be on for the condition. I would try feeding her a wet food again that is high in protein and fats so that she keeps some weight on her. Most vet clinics have a prescription diet like this. At my clinic we use Purina A/D on any sick animal who needs to gain weight. I also recommend warming it up in the microwave. If she refuses any food given to her, it may come down to feeding her wet food through a syringe. She also might need to visit the vet to have fluids administered to keep her from dehydrating.

As far as mobility goes, I've seen clients use a towel under the dog's stomach to support the dog as he/she walks. You have to hold the towel as the dog walks, but it may get her to eat and walk a little more.
epinephrine
Hey, guys, thanks for the support.

My dog does have a recent history of back problems, which cause almost the same symptoms, but she didn't seem to be in any pain this time so we had the vet check her out. He checked her balance and her reflexes and noticed that she didn't seem to be using her right side at all, which led him to believe it was neurological rather than physiological. He gave us a possible diagnosis of stroke or embolism and recommended we go to Vancouver (we live on the island) to take her to a specialist ($230/hour) and get MRI scans done. We're not really favouring that idea, because the odds that the specialist would find something we could fix would be slim, and we don't want to throw money away trying to save an old dog who's not going to live much longer anyway. But today my dog is about 80% better than she was yesterday! Not really sure what's going on now, and we're not about to go celebrating her miraculous recovery, but we're hopeful that it might be something a little easier to treat. She's still stumbling a bit when she walks, like she's drunk or dizzy, and she still seems to be showing some reduced motor skills in her right side, but it's very slight compared to yesterday. She's almost normal again. She has a prescription for painkillers for when her back flares up and we've been giving them to her since yesterday, on the vet's suggestion, just in case that was the problem. Now I'm wondering if maybe she has a pinched nerve. I took her for a short walk today and we ran into a doctor on the way, and he suggested an ear infection or a herniated disk. I'm going to do some research into her symptoms and see how she does for the next few days, and then I'll take her back to the vet for a second look. Anybody have any other suggestions or research sources?

Oh, and her appetite seems to be normal again! We hadn't weighed her in a while, so it's entirely possible that her weight loss was either old news or just gradual. She had her usual 2am snack last night, although she needed some help from my mom, and she's been eating and drinking normally all day. We'll just keep an eye on that and make sure she keeps eating. We feed her healthy food from the vet which doesn't make her sick and which, unfortuantely, she doesn't seem to like all that much, so we'll just try to supplement that with more appetizing things and keep a closer eye on her weight.
stargazer
Such good news to hear, epinephrine! You know, the symptoms you are talking about sound pretty familiar to my parent's dog. They were told the same thing was neurological, etc. He would have minor seizure which would last 1 minute. He had an awkward gait with a previous history of poor back problems. But, they were able to give him shots for his back/hip pain which helped him remarkably. He was able to have a normal dog life until his passing. So, while your dog may be old, there is alot that can be done to help him have a good life. I will ask my stepdad about the meds and what happened to help their dog. I hope your doggie keeps improving!
sassygrrl
((erinephrine))

I'm concerned about Zoe biting Mcgeek. I know they got into a fight, but I wonder if she's becoming over-protective of me and him b/c Bailey is sick still. I just don't want to give her up, but if she keeps fighting Bailey I don't want to do. My trainer isn't any help either. I know Shepherds are aggressive breeds.


candycane_girl
Hi ladies. I was just wondering if I could ask for some vibes for my dog, Toby. Today was a really rough day for the both of us. He's a golden retriever mix and he'll be 13 around Labour Day. Anyway, I took him to the vet for his annual checkup and I think it's the first time that I've really realized how much his body is changing.

The first issue was in the car. I usually have him sit in the front seat with his bum on the seat. Somehow, maybe when I made a turn, he kind of lost his balance and fell off the seat so that his bum was on the floor of the car and only his front legs were on the seat. Normally he would have just gotten back up but this time he couldn't.

Then at the vet he got all excited and kind of slipped and it was like his back legs were splayed out and he just couldn't get up. The secretary actually had to pick him up by his rear to get him standing again.

Once we were in the examination room he kept having little fits where it seemed like his back legs weren't able to stand up fully. Then it seemed a bit worse tonight. My mom and I were downstairs watching a movie while he was laying in the foyer. He likes to lay so that his bum is kind of hanging off the top step. Anyway, once we got up, Toby tried to get up to follow us and once again he couldn't get his back legs up and he slipped and nearly fell down the stairs. We decided to just let him lay back down and wait until he was ready to get up. Eventually he got up and he was okay but it was so hard to see him like that and I ended up crying quite a bit.

I know this is something that all dogs go through. I know he has arthritis but this is the worst I have seen him. And it's so confusing because then he acts normal again and walks around like there's no problem. But now even his walk looks different to me. I'm going to call the vet again tomorrow and ask if we should have him x-rayed. It's just so hard because he has always been my baby and I hate seeing him like this. We've started giving him glucosamine but other than that I don't know if there's anything that will help him improve.
Lunalu
Hi Candycane,

I share your pain. I have a Brittaney spaniel, she's 11, and last summer she fell in the pool and afterwards got this long lameness on her legs, she was not able to jump up to the couch or even get down. We took her to private clinic, and then university vet. faculty, both places said she had arthritis and also torn knee ligament.. (she was limping on and off before the pool incident too, so I dont think that what made her that way) anyway, the private clinic said she needs to get surgery for sure, they were going to put screw and plates on her knee, they said no chance she would get better on her own... university vet said the same thing, but they also informed us on conservative treatments, because we were not ready and willing to have her go through that kind of traumatic surgery because of her age and all... anyway, university told us to give her daily arthritis pain medication daily, and omega-3 or fish oil combination pills + glucosamine, and also use a knee brace for hard ground walks... we were giving her half of the pain medication everyday, and we cut down to a quarter a day and give the glucosamine and fish pill religiously everyday,also got her a brace and used it everytime she went out for about 3 months... also she lost about 5-6 pounds, and now she is better than ever.. lameness is gone, and she is very active... so unless there is a neurological problem is an issue with your Toby, he can get / feel better with nutrition supplements when it is given consistently everyday... I hope he gets better, it is so painful and difficult to see your baby going down like that because of age issues.. sad.gif I hope he gets well soon.



QUOTE(candycane_girl @ Jun 11 2009, 12:03 AM) *
Hi ladies. I was just wondering if I could ask for some vibes for my dog, Toby. Today was a really rough day for the both of us. He's a golden retriever mix and he'll be 13 around Labour Day. Anyway, I took him to the vet for his annual checkup and I think it's the first time that I've really realized how much his body is changing.

The first issue was in the car. I usually have him sit in the front seat with his bum on the seat. Somehow, maybe when I made a turn, he kind of lost his balance and fell off the seat so that his bum was on the floor of the car and only his front legs were on the seat. Normally he would have just gotten back up but this time he couldn't.

Then at the vet he got all excited and kind of slipped and it was like his back legs were splayed out and he just couldn't get up. The secretary actually had to pick him up by his rear to get him standing again.

Once we were in the examination room he kept having little fits where it seemed like his back legs weren't able to stand up fully. Then it seemed a bit worse tonight. My mom and I were downstairs watching a movie while he was laying in the foyer. He likes to lay so that his bum is kind of hanging off the top step. Anyway, once we got up, Toby tried to get up to follow us and once again he couldn't get his back legs up and he slipped and nearly fell down the stairs. We decided to just let him lay back down and wait until he was ready to get up. Eventually he got up and he was okay but it was so hard to see him like that and I ended up crying quite a bit.

I know this is something that all dogs go through. I know he has arthritis but this is the worst I have seen him. And it's so confusing because then he acts normal again and walks around like there's no problem. But now even his walk looks different to me. I'm going to call the vet again tomorrow and ask if we should have him x-rayed. It's just so hard because he has always been my baby and I hate seeing him like this. We've started giving him glucosamine but other than that I don't know if there's anything that will help him improve.

candycane_girl
We ended up having Toby x-rayed. Poor guy, he wasn't allowed to eat anything after midnight and he wasn't at all impressed when he realized that he was going back to the vet after only two days. Anyway, he's not that bad but his right hip is the one that's really giving him trouble. However, the vet said that his knees are in pretty good shape so that's good. Basically we just need to keep up his walks and make sure that they aren't too long. I noticed that he was walking really slowly when I took him out and that he was panting quite a bit just after going around the block. But the vet said that the walks will keep his muscles stronger which will help with the arthritis. We started him on glucosamine last week and the vet said that we should see improvement in about a month.

sib, I'm glad to hear your dog is doing better after going through so much.
epinephrine
Hey, ccg. So sorry to hear about your dog! It's so hard to see them like that. My aunt's enormous 13-year-old shepherd-collie cross is having the same problem. She walks really slowly, falls when she's not careful or when she's tired, can't stand or sit for very long and prefers just to lie right down whenever she's not going anywhere. She can't do stairs at all anymore. She gets up a step or two and then her back end just collapses and she gets stuck there and needs to be half carried, half pushed the rest of the way. She can't climb down the stairs, either. Don't ever leave your dog unattended around stairs. I don't want to scare you or anything, but one bad fall and that's it. My aunts put up a baby gate. They also give the dog glucosamine, and are looking into theraputic swimming. It keeps the dog's joints active and fit without placing any stress on them. Other than that, there's not much you can do for an old dog with an old body except make him comfortable. My aunts keep a large, soft doggie bed in every room, so their dog never has to walk too far for a rest and doesn't have to rest on the hard floor.

Happily, my dog seems to have completely recovered from her mysterious affliction back in April. We were all so upset to see her like that, just so helpless and immobile and lethargic. Within 2 days she was almost normal, and within 2 weeks we'd never have known the difference. However, her age is showing. She's becoming a grubby, smelly old dog, even though I groom and bathe her more often than ever. Gross. I'm away for nearly 4 months now, though, and I'm so scared that something will happen while I'm away and I won't be there to be with her. She lives with my mom full-time, so it's not like she's gone to stay with someone else while I'm away, but I come to visit and take care of her and play with her frequently, and this will be the longest I've ever gone without seeing her. She's quite healthy except for her intermittent back flareups and the mystery illness, but I always worry when I'm away from her. She's such a great dog. I know she's old and I don't have much time left with her, and I'll just miss her so much when she's gone.
Lunalu
dogs and joint / muscle problems. As they get older, they get more issues with that.

Surprisingly enough, right after I replied to Candycane's message about how much better my dog is doing, the same evening I went to the gym, got back home. Ria, my dog, was limping sooo bad, I was about to cry, plus she wasnt walking, the bad news it was her good leg-right leg, so she was putting all her weight on her already-bad-left leg... I was very worried.. I think she tried to jump to reach something on kitchen counter (she gets very bad seperation-anxiety as she gets older), and somehow she got the cat food bag, and ate it all!!! Almost half a bag! I didn't know if I should be mad, or sorry or what... So that night I gave her 1.5 tablet painkiller, she normally doesn't get any in the evening, and the next morning, mysteriously she was perfectly fine.. the night before she was walking on three legs... hmmm.. it almost makes me think if she was faking it because of getting into the cat food and thinking I would be mad, or she would get scolded... so anyway we are still taking it easy on her, I took her to the park yesterday, but didn't let her go off the leash.. so far, she seems to be doing fine.

So, anyway.. Candycane, I forgot to say one more thing about arthritis, now Epinephrine's comment reminded me, of underwater walking therapy for dogs with arthritis. There are some special physical dog therapists, and they suggest underwater treadmill exercise. I've seen it on TV too, I think if you can afford it, that should be a great exercise on old dogs' hips / joints/ muscles.. but I'm guessing it might be expensive. if we were to get the surgery done on Ria's bad knee, for rehabilitation, that was one thing they suggested we do for sure... but they suggested that as an option anyway for Ria's hip arthritis, regardless of the surgery, we just couldn't do it because of the expense.
Other than that, When we take Ria for a walk, we try to get her to walk on grass or dirt/soil, whatever... Walking on hard-ground like sidewalks / asphalts, etc... can be difficult sometimes.

I'm glad your dog doesn't have knee problem, with good care and supplements, arthritis can be manageable.
sassygrrl
((ccg and sib)))

Bailey had been coughing for a few weeks. I got a little paranoid after the car accident, and we took him to the vet this past week. They're thinking it's heart disease. Fluid is now in his lungs. The next step is to get a EKG. They're saying he has pulmonary edema. We've put him on drugs for the fluid in his lungs. It makes me quite sad.

We've had a bad year with pets. Issac left around Turkey Day, and Irwin just died last month.

sassygrrl
Bailey's in ICU in the animal hospital with heart failures. Any busty vibes would be great.
pollystyrene
(((Bailey, Sassy and McGeek)))
girltrouble
(((((((sassy, bailey the puppy and mcgeek))))))
my heart is so with you. last year was a hard year for me with the pets. i am so sorry.
auralpoison
(((((Bailey, Sassy, & McGeek)))))

sassygrrl
Thanks my busties!

He did come home from the hospital, but he's not eating. sad.gif
candycane_girl
(((((sassy and bailey))))) I know that when dogs are in pain they can really lose their appetite. Maybe you could try enticing him by giving him fancier food? Sometimes when Toby wouldn't eat we would do things like pour gravy over his dry food. He will go all day and not even look at his own food but spend his time in the kitchen constantly giving us sad eyes and begging for food.
sassygrrl
We've tried putting some chicken broth on his dry food. Mcgeek is talking to the vet today, and we have another appointment on Friday I mean this is the first time we've seen him not have a hard time breathing since we've had him. I have to sometimes poke him to make sure he's okay.
girltrouble
(((((sassy + bailey)))))
poor poochie. sad.gif
culturehandy
This crosses the line between problems with a dog and how the owner is going about dealing with the problems of said dog.

I go to an offleash park every day with the pooch, and she gets along with all the dogs, as do all of the other dogs. There are little tiffs between the dogs every once in a while, but it's to be expected. When someone has an aggressive dog, they usually get run out if they don't try and do anything about the behaviour. The city has a by law aobut aggressive dogs as well.

A little back ground on my pooch; she was neglected as a puppy and as a result isn't the most social of dogs. She sniffs, and she'll play here and there, sometimes she goes a little banana's and plays for a long time with other dogs. But she's also not aggressive at all. In the 3 years I've been taking here there, she's only ever put a dog in it's place 3 times, and that was also not without adequate warning, and in two of the instances, the other dogs were just young, and didn't understand canine dynamics (in the third case, the people had a really aggressive dog and did fuck all about it. they don't come to the park anymore).

Anyways, last night I was at the park and there was a little akida, or eskimo dog (not a huskie, but looked like a huskie). Maybe the same size as mine (40ish pounds). The other dog was totally harmless, so they play a little and off me and the pooch go. Well, we run into a woman I know, and her dog. Her dog is bigger and is rather playful, but in the past 2 years, there has been some issues with her dog. he's attacking other dogs, the owner took him to a behaviourist who said the dog was just alpha, but alpha dogs don't attack dogs out of no where. Last night, her dog attacked the other one whom mine had a previous play encounter with. The other dog was not alpha, was just trying to play like dogs so and her dog just snapped. This is the second instance this week. This woman (whom I'll call G) tried to justify it by saying the other dog was getting way too into her dogs face and his space. Well, if that was the case, then the dog would have growled first, not gone right into attack mode.

G's dog also attacked a dog who was on leash one time as well.

I suggested that maybe she get a muzzle for her dog, that way he can still enjoy being off leash but there is no fear of worrying about the dog attacking. But she pretty much shot the idea down. She did say she may have to stop bringing him to the park because of it, but he, like all dogs, enjoys being off leash, hence me suggesting the muzzle.

It's been at the point for some time that I am afraid that G's dog will attack mine (which is why I mentioned how passive mine was), as her dog is now seemingly attacking dogs at random. I'm also concerned that someone will complain to the city and we'll get our off leash space taken away. What happens if next time it is worse? She seems to be slighlty bothered by her dogs behaviour, but brushes it off that the other dog was doing something. Well, when my dog gets into a scuffle, I am almost in tears because it upsets me to see behaviour so uncharacteristic of her. G is an acquantance of mine (and friends with a woman I am friends with) so we occasionally walk around together. But I am now at the point where I don't want to walk with her (if I see her) because of her dogs behaviour.

Any suggestions? Not taking the dog to the park is not an option, because she loves it. Should I just say my hello's if I see her and go my own way?

Ugh, long post, if any clarification is needed, please ask!
girltrouble
first: talk to the other dog owners at the park about g's dog. suggest that they talk to her separately. you could talk to her en mass, but it's obvious that her pride/ego is involved. tell her you really are afraid that her dog will attack yours, and ask her how she would feel if her dog got bit. a muzzle really is the best solution, because if her dog attacks someone they will probably have to be put down. but tell her, as much as you like her, you are very protective of your puppy and you won't have her around her dog. the trick is to approach her with concern for her and her dog more than yours. if that makes sense.

that's my 2 cents. :/
culturehandy
It does, I'm hoping that the mutual friend E is there, because I can tell her about the situation and my concerns.

There are so many things that could go wrong in this situation. What if it was a child? I don't care that the park is labelled as off leash, what if the kid is there with their parent and a dog? I like the dog and I don't want to see him put down, but with that said, I have also seen him get more aggressive as the time goes on. Not in a junk yard guard dog sort of way, but I've seen the change in behaviour over the past 2 years.

The dog even got kicked out of doggie day care because he bit another dog. So, there is already a documented history of this.

I'm also really concerned about the other dog, more so, because it was so sweet. I wanted to stay but had other things to do so I had to haul ass home.
koffeewitch
Hey culture, I've been off line a while so hopefully you have this taken care of by now. Does G know how much better (kinder) the muzzles for dogs are these days? I think sometimes people are freaked over the suggestion because they're thinking of the old muzzles...a good muzzle still allows the dog to eat a treat, pick up a toy, or vomit safely if they are sick. It also sounds to me like her dog is afraid...I think you are absolutely right in thinking that her dog would growl first if it was just a very dominant dog and another threatened it's space. It sounds like she needs the advice of a different behaviourist, someone who can work with the dog to reduce it's anxiety level and to signal with body language and growls before it attacks. It also sounds like she is very defensive about her dog's behavior; like she needs reassurance that it is not about her dog being at fault, but about helping her dog feel safer in public spaces. Anyway good luck...I hope you all were able to convince her to try the muzzle.
nickclick
so we bought a house a couple of months ago and for years we've been talking about adopting a pup when we don't rent and do have a backyard. now we own and mr.nick is being a baby! he has reasonable worries, like who to call when both of us might be working late or during vacations (both of which don't happen so often), but there is a doggie hotel nearby, we have a friend who walks dogs for a living, and plenty of dog-owner friends who owe us return dog-sitting favors. he loves dogs and every time we walk in town he is goo-goo over everyone else's dog. i want to rescue a young, housetrained medium-ish fluff monster like a Cocker. he's on board with that choice, but i just can't get him to commit! some friends say to just bring home a pup and he'll surely fall in love, but i dunno.......
auralpoison
Are you absolutely SURE you want a cocker? Cockers are like having a needy ex as a pet. They are cute & loving, but they are also co-dependent as all get out. We had cockers all of my life, all but one was a complete headcase & that was only because he was half sheep dog.
candycane_girl
Whatever you do, make sure that you research the personality traits of the breed. I know that some humane societies allow people to act like foster parents to try it out before committing 100%. Research is the most important thing because you need to find a dog that will fit with your lifestyle.
nickclick
Cockers are a little crazy and high-maintenance, but i love them for sure. i had one growing up who was a sweetie, and my sis-in-law has one now who is quite a princess. on our second date, mr.nick was gushing about his sister's cutie Cocker and it certainly helped to endear him to me smile.gif we had that story (more entertainingly presented) in our wedding vows. Cockers are special to us!
enfermera
my puppy (a 4-5-year-old pointer-hound mix) got hold of a cat in our backyard this morning. this neighborhood is swarming with loosely kept pet cats as well as strays/ferals, and they just make her CRAZY. she's never attacked my roommate's cat (although they've had some "arguments"), but i'm afraid she hurt this one, maybe very badly. my next door neighbor found the owner (she apparently knows everyone with pets in a 5-mile radius), who said that the cat had gotten out for the first time in his life last night, and apparently not found his way back. she thanked me, and talked a lot (she is elderly and was understandably very rattled), hugged me and neighbor-lady, and left with the cat.

i feel terrible.

she thought that maybe the cat was ok, but i'm almost convinced it has internal injuries. i asked neighbor-lady to let me know if she heard anything, so i could help with vet bills, or whatever else. neighbor-lady assured me that i "did everything perfectly"--making sure it wasn't HER cat, and then debating whether to take it to an emergency vet clinic or to call animal control.

i still feel terrible.

when i first went outside, after una had been brought in, the cat was lying on the grass, on its tummy, quietly yowling at whoever came near. i was almost sure it was dying. i don't love cats (i like the idea of cats a lot, but they kind of gross me out a little in reality) but it was really upsetting to see, and even more so when i realized this was somebody's pet, and that my sweet puppy was responsible. i hope the cat lives. ugh. sad.gif
culturehandy
(((((enfermera))))) I'm sure everything will work out.
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(((enfermera)))
I know it's tough, I've not been in that exact situation, cos when ours came face to face with a cat the cat attacked my dogs and my dogs just stood there in terror. Unfortunately that incident has made them very cat aggressive now. Don't feel you have to pay for the vet bills, the cat was in your garden. I know it got out accidentally but thats the law. If you feel you want to, that's fine, but don't feel obligated.

You did everything you could and sound like a big pet lover. Unfortunately this is one of the problems with outdoor cats, even if it got out accidentally. Happens around us all the time with posters of lost cats going up every other week, but we have a coyote population in the hills to the south of us. Don't blame your puppy, she was just doing what is natural for her, which is to hunt, especially if the other cats have taunted her. One of mine has had: 2 birds, a squirrel, baby possum, and 3 frogs. She has an extremely high prey drive. Just be aware of her cat drive when she's on walks.

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spot-on
Never knew this thread existed

I have 2 Dalmatians, both female. Sky & River. Adopted them from the local shelter a little over 8 years ago (wow time flies). They are possibly related as they were found together roaming the streets, poor things. When we got them they were approx 1 yr old and around 30lbs, they are now a healthy 50lbs each smile.gif though they think they are still starving!

You can see one of my dals (River) in my avatar
culturehandy
word spot on.

mine likes to chase, well anything really including squirrels, chimpmunks, deer (two weeks ago), runners (especially me), roller bladers, cross country skiers, birds, cats, rabbits, frogs, muscrats, hmm what else has she chased after? that's all I can think of.
nickclick
(((enfermera))) any word on the kitty?
enfermera
aw, thanks for the support, guys. no word yet. i didn't have the presence of mind to give the owner my number. i did ask neighbor-lady to let me know if she heard anything, but she's a little bit crazy, so who knows.

yeah, i know it's not my fault, or the dog's fault. it was just scary and sad. i would offer to help with vet bills if the opportunity presented itself; not because i should but because i want to help.

she's killed birds and mice, and MAYBE a rat, though i'm not sure if that one was her or the roomie's cat. she definitely lunges at cats when we're on walks, but any that have gotten into the yard have been wily strays that know how to keep from getting hurt. she's treed a couple on the rare occasion that she gets loose. she'll chase anything that's not people, or dogs that she thinks are scary--she's kind of chicken. bikes and skates make her cringe, and even people on foot she doesn't really like to get too close to. i adopted her from the spca a few years ago, with no information on her previous owners, but we get the definite impression she was not treated well.

the other thing she is terrified of is WATER. can't get her to swim, play in the hose, nothing. bath time is like torture for both of us, because she's panicking the entire time, and i'm having to wrestle with a 50lb wet, soapy dog with some fearsome toenails! anyone have any tips on baths?
spot-on
Bathtime can be fun with food! I usually warm up some sausage (something nice and stinky, but something they don't get often) and cut it into rounds, then take it into the shower with us. Carry dog into bath (sausage), turn on shower and wet dog (sausage) shampoo dog (sausage) rinse (sausage) etc. Now we are down to 1/2 sausage per dog per bathtime!

One of mine likes some water like hosepipes, sprinklers, paddling pool etc, and she has swam in the ocean. The other hates water, even turning the hose pipe she runs for cover.

CH - yep Sky chases wheels too. Skateboards, bikes, rollerskates, all are fair game to her. Mine haven't chased runners persay, they tend to want to herd them back into the pack lol. weird cos they aren't herding dogs. They aren't pointing dogs either but River points just like a pointer!

We didn't know our dogs history either enfermera sad.gif Just that they were found together as strays. We do know that they were abused though from their reactions to certain things. The first week we had them I went to sweep the patio and their reaction to the broom broke my heart right there! River just cowered in the corner, and Sky peed then went into the living room in the corner and took me ages to get her to come out from behind the sofa (she's always been more emotional than River). That's pretty much been the reaction to any object that could be a potential weapon against them. We've worked on it though and they are so much better now! Occasionally though if you move your hand too fast towards them to pet them they do wince like they are about to get hit sad.gif It happens less and less now thank heavens! Poor babies

Sitting here with one dog on the right just touching me - close enough but not too close (she's waiting for Mr's truck pullingup, such a Daddys girl that one!), and one dog draped on my leg - slouched over and snoring her head off! Such is the life with dogs, you are never alone!
sassygrrl
Hi running in to ask for some vibes for Bailey my beagle. He's back in heart failure again. He's had it 4 times this year.
Thanks for much!

((everyone)))
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((( Sassygrrl )))

Will keep Bailey in my thoughts
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