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i_am_jan
The epitome of being a woman is getting treated like a human being for your own sake...not because of your ability to bear and care for other human beings. Angelina Jolie does seem just a bit, oh...BABY FEVERISH ~if not full-on BABY CRAZED~...these days. Let's be realistic for one second, I don't see many actual mothers besides her highness having the good fortune to double as action heros in their "free time", earning millions of dollars and tons of respect doing it.

Let's call this recent baby drama what it is. In the time of war, we're losing bodies. Historically, it's a time when breeding is encouraged. There's a bunch of people out there right now being encouraged by media and celebrity "role models" (*snort*) to breed and then receiving positive reinforcement for bringing new consumers onto the market. It's pretty difficult for women to get recognized for their achievements ASIDE from the babies, however. Same as teenage girls.
konphusion26
Today's 8 hr babysitting task has made me realize how wonderful birth control is. Lucky me to be able to keep my nieces while their daycare is closed. The first hour was okay... now they're getting on my last nerve. Sorry, but they are. 2 more hours to go till sweet freedom. All I want to do is take a nap.

thepointybird
Great article, Humanist! I certainly don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine that having way less free time, sleep and disposable income might make one feel less happy! It would certainly feck me right off.
turbojenn
Happy Independence Day, Everybustie! Is there anything more independent to celebrate than our choice to live sans kiddos?!

Bravo to all you fabulous women, and to the special space we share here!
i_am_jan
Just saw this Turbo ~~ right back at you babe, Happy Independence Day, boys and girls!! I had a totally funass weekend with lots of free time, I actually wrote a song on my guitar and recorded it on my computer tongue.gif

konphusion: your post was HILARIOUS laugh.gif ("All I want to do is take a nap")!! I know exactly how that feels, I babysit my niece and neph sometimes and love it for the first few hours; however, it begins to break me down and I eventually freak and also get very sleepy and tired, LOL!
thepointybird
I'm lucky y'all - my only nephew lives in Ireland and I live in England, so I'm only forced to be around him maybe twice a year! And I find that tiring enough... Just found out one of my besties is preggers though. It's weird cos she was always very CBC until she met her now-husband, so I guess, for her at least, the old adage about changing your mind when the right guy comes along is true. Not for me though, happily CBC forever!
i_am_jan
It's very strange! Like, when you first fall in love with someone, the thought of having a baby together seems very sexy and romantic ... I have experienced this. I actually had to ward off thoughts of doing it at one point a couple years ago when I fell in love last time. It seemed sexy when the two of us were new together. It felt sexy to ENTERTAIN those thoughts ... a "love child." But we both knew ourselves way too well. We could sense this was a temporary, romance/sex-induced coma and that, were we to wake up one day and have even one child, both of us would be in real trouble because we AREN'T parental at ALL and being parents was not our longterm goal in any way. Oh well pointy, another one bites the dust laugh.gif
hellotampon
I only started to feel that way in the last year, and my boyfriend and I have been together for 4 years. I don't know if it's hormones because of my age, or if it's because we've been "nesting (moving in together, having a dog, getting rid of our roommate, etc.)."
i_am_jan
hellotampon: I'm curious ... did it surprise you when you started to feel like you might want to have a baby or consider it? For me, the feeling did come as a surprise. Because I had known from a very young age ~ never had a doubt, ever ~ that being a mother was not something that was in the cards for me. Yet, here came these thoughts at a certain point and that was when I knew what I was feeling was good old biology at work. I mentioned the thoughts to one of my friends and she was like "wha~? you?!" and I was like "yeah ... I know!" tongue.gif
sassy
I'm only 23, but a lot of people I'm friends with and graduated with are having babies already. My husband and I do not want kids. We have four dogs and that is quite enough. However, I do get caught up in the excitement and attention that pregnant women get and I sometimes entertain the idea of kids. That feeling goes away very quickly, though, when I hear birth stories and see the baby throw up on itself.
hellotampon
I wasn't really surprised. I knew the urge would probably kick in at some point. My mother always said she didn't want kids but 6 months after she married my father she just *had* to have one all of a sudden. So far, it hasn't been that overpowering for me. smile.gif and I hope it never gets to that point. All I have to do is think of my boyfriend's mother and that immediately turns me off the idea of having children.

It's strange to think that I'm 23, and when my mother was my age, she was already married and I was a year old.
missjoy
Okay, I don't know why I go to the true mom confessions site, but I find it facinating. But this just pissed me off:

The Confession:


07.15.08 9:07a
I always hated people who got rid of their pets after having a child. I saw it all the time at the animal rescue I worked with, always with the same excuses of not having enough time for the pets or it not being sanitary or whatever. I was so certain I'd be so much better with my cats, prepare them for our kid, keep the house clean, etc

My confession?

I've been a mom 8 months and I'm about ready to throw these damn animals out the window! I'm so sick of them! I can't handle them at all now and the thought of living with them makes me feel I'll.

Today I'm swallowing my pride, eating my words, and starting to ask around for new homes. They deserve better, my son deserves a cleaner house, and dh and I need less stress around here!

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The comment I have issue with:

07.15.08 9:07Aa
me too (12)


Bottom line is, if you plan to have kids, don't ever get a pet. Leave the pets to the animal lovers, we're tired of cleaning up your messes and the animals are tired of suffering at the hands of the people who once loved them. I hope when you are old that you receive the same treatment from people who you thought loved you.


It's so fucking over the top insane that it's almost humerous! lol! I had to laugh! WTF lady? Hey, my daughter was an accident. I suppose should have aborted her because I'd already made prior living arrangements with a fucking CAT?

I love my kitties, but they do just fine outside! They're happy, they're still loved and doted on - ijust don't have to worry about my daughter choking on cat hair or eating their turds anymore. Get over it, ladies. They're cats. They're resilient creatures. They'll be okay outside - thats what they were made for, lol.


Missjoy again: the bad part wasn't even so much that, as everyone agreeing that of course their children come first and getting rid of their pets isn't a big deal. Like this comment:

I can't stand when people take their animal loving to this level.
Animals don't come before people, especially children. Not all children are planned, nor can our animals' reaction to our children be planned.
I gave our dog to my in laws after my son was born. He had bitten my dd twice, and had been pretty isolated from the family.
He has an awesome life now, and I don't feel bad. I didn't know how hard it was gonna be to care for children who never sleep, and care for a psycho,
spastic, mess of a dog. Saying that you hope someone gets the same treatment when they're old is like equating the two.
Animals are animals, lady. Get over it.


Missjoy again: and this comment:

I agree, humans before animals. If at any point my cats become too much for us, which at times it seems they are, then we will get rid of them. I have no problem doing it because my daughter is number one, not the cats.
missladyj
GT, glad I was able to make you laugh.


I haven't had internet since that last post and have been dying ever since to share this story with y'all


Hubby and I am are in a noodle shop and there are lots of families there with young children who are all behaving very well. Except for one kid who spent about fifteen minutes screaming at the top of her lungs and everyone is distrubed. The manager approaches the mother and askes her if she can take the kid outside to calm her down and then return to the resturant. She of course gets offened , tells him he is rude ( her child screaming for 15 minutes is even more rude as far as I am concerned ) and leaves.

Upon her withdrawl the whole dinning room bursts into applause for the manager. I thanked him. A couple at another table tell him they are lawyers and hand him their cards again thanking him for handling that situation.

It was awesome!
culturehandy
Everyone has the right to eat in peace.

Again, why are we expected to be so tolerable of misbehaving children? That is not kids being kids, that is parents being bad parents. Don't reward your child with treats for bad behaviour. the parents are merely enabling the bad behaviour.

If there is porn or a bare boobie, the world has to "think of the children", when are people going to think of those of us who are CBC?
LoveMyPugs
When The Passion of the Christ came out Mr. Pugs and I went with his Dad to see it in theater. There was a woman in there with her two children. One was under the age of five and the other was under the age of one. The one year old was in a stroler. When it would cry the woman would jingle her keys in front of it's face to make it stop crying. Um...crying and keys jingling are both annoying and both interrupting the movie I paid $8 to see. She was asked to step out of the theater two times. After the movie I went and freaked out to a manager. I got three free tickets. Didn't matter because I was too pissed. Has anyone seen The Passion? It's not a movie you bring children into. I was so fucking angry.
culturehandy
No one in here is saying you can't take your kids out and whatnot, but if you do, please, for the sake of other people, including those who have well behaved children, ensure your children are behaving.

If you have toddlers and have some free time during the day, take them to the showings that are geared towards parents. They have all sorts of movies, not just wall-e disney type movies.
mornington
*delurks*

ok, I just have to moan: children at music festivals. I'm not talking about 12-15 year olds with thier parents, but about the under-tens and babies in pushchairs. I know I went to a family-friendly festival (although this isn't just confined to one festival), but please, this is just... no. stop. Especially stop letting your kids run riot in the bar at 11pm, and running around screaming at 7am when the rest of the campsite is trying to get a little sleep. It's just not nice, especially as there isn't a family camping area. That said, there were a lot of well-behaved kids, who seemed to be having a whale of a time, we just camped next to the brats.

I described it as Islington on holiday. fucking over-priveleged "cool" parents who name thier precious snowflakes things like Daisy, Olivia or Finn.
culturehandy
The rise in yuppie names, spelled differently. Like Dakotah.
thepointybird
Ugh - the London yuppie thing for the last few years is giving your kids names that were last popular in Victorian times, but have a cutesy abbreviation, like Tilly or Charlie or Ollie. But that's started to catch on with the chavs now, so I'm thinking we'll see a rise in Biblical names among the yummy mummies. Mornington, expect to hear lots of Ezekiels and Seths if you go to that festival next year!
thirtiesgirl
Back to kids in public places for a second. I need to kvetch.

I'd second the anger and annoyance expressed about parents who don't control their young kids in restaurants. I've had the experience far too many times of going out to eat alone, with the intent to seek a relaxing atmosphere at the restaurant, only to have it interrupted and nigh on ruined by parents who don't stop their kids from screaming, whining loudly for extended periods of time, throwing things and running around the restaurant.

Just this past weekend, I took myself out to breakfast on Sunday morning. My usual breakfast place was unfortunately crowded and I was too hungry to wait, so after driving around, trying to find some place else to go, I ended up at my neighborhood IHOP. Now, admittedly, IHOP on a Sunday morning is going to draw lots of families. But I was sitting at a small booth away from most of them, so I was generally buffered from most of the familial noise. ...Until one family got up to leave, and in the bustle, didn't stop their 4 year old son from running down the aisle to my booth, which, since it had a vacant seat, was a perfect place for him to 'hide' with his giant toy machine gun. Which he then pointed at his family as they walked by, making shooting noises with his mouth. His brothers, sisters and other family members all passed him by without saying or doing anything, or noticing that he was interrupting my meal by sitting at my table. His mom finally passed my table and grabbed the kid's arm, pulling him away. She made no acknowledgment of me, did not even apologize for her son's behavior, but simply swatted him on the butt and started to yell at him, "what did I tell you about running in restaurants?" ...I mean, at least mom said something to the kid, but it was obviously too little too late.

I'm to the point where I'm about ready to demand that restaurants create a child free or 'singles only' section for people who prefer to eat on their own, without family noise and uncontrolled children. I wouldn't eliminate couples or groups of friends without children from the section either. I mean, they used to have smoking and non-smoking sections in restaurants. Having children is just as much of a choice as lighting a cigarette, so why don't they have "family" and "child free" areas of restaurants? Seriously.

Last kvetch about families in restaurants: moms, do you need to leave your ginormous stroller out in the middle of the aisle so people can hardly get by? Or in shopping malls, grocery stores... And while I'm on the subject, I get really peeved with moms who let their kids toddle all over the place in shopping malls, getting in the way of people who are trying to walk. I'm walking behind a family with a small toddler and make a move to go around them, but mom is so busy talking on her cell phone, with her girlfriend, boyfriend, husband or whoever, that she completely ignores her toddler wandering away, as toddlers are wont to do, and getting my my way as I try to walk around them. Even worse, is when parents let their kids run around without saying shit to them, like "stop running in the store and getting in people's way."

And finally (whew, apparently I had a lot to get off my chest this morning): parents, why do you let your kids chase after birds? Why do you find it amusing to watch your kids scare birds while they're in the park or other public places? Why are you teaching them that animals, particularly birds, are not to be respected and are playthings for your enjoyment? Years ago, I was at a BBQ with friends in the park and observed two mothers pushing babies in strollers, and both had young toddlers of walking age who they allowed to chase the birds all over the park. As the mothers passed us (after their toddlers had run screaming by 5 minutes earlier, scaring all the birds from the area), I said as nicely as I could, "I really like watching birds in the park. Please don't let your children scare them away." To which one mother responded, "don't tell me how to be a parent, bitch." Nice. I bit back my retort about training her child to grow up to be a sociopath (it starts with disregard of and cruelty to animals) and ruminated on the arrogance I so often see in parents, as if they have more 'rights' than people without children simply because they've procreated. Ugh.
mornington
pointybird - I think I heard a Seth. There was a Felicity, I'm sure of it. As the boyfriend's son is Oliver, I've got nothing against Ollies. I'm fairly certain I've got nothing against most of the kids, just their obnoxious parents and their monstro-strollers and over-entitlement, and the knowledge that these kids will end up being the kind of twunts I went to school with. Although I heard something about the "reclaiming"/revival of more biblical/jewish-traditional names...

thirtiesgirl - it wasn't uncommon to see "family" areas where I grew up, usually in places attached to pubs, but I see less of them now. They were a great idea.
LoveMyPugs
have any of you seen the huge "car" shaped shopping carts are your local grocery store? Here is another. These are the ones they have at the Super G where I shop. They are so big that you can't fit one of them and a regular shopping cart down an isle without hitting one another. The kids sit in them and yell and scream up to mom and dad who are pushing from above. I HATE THEM!! my mom would never have pushed me around in one of those things when i was little. they are big red, yellow and blue giants and i must add, pretty freaking stupid looking. i wouldn't be caught dead pushing one. i don't really remember even going to the grocery store with my mom when i was that small. my dad would go or i'd stay home with him while my mom went alone. i know this isn't always the case for single parents.

last time i went to food warehouse mr. pugs and i watched two small boys wrestle each other in the middle of the isle while the mother stared at the baby in the car seat in the cart and the father just stared straight ahead waiting to be checked out at the register. they were yelling and screaming and smacking and hitting. not a peep from the parents.
pollystyrene
QUOTE(thirtiesgirl @ Jul 22 2008, 09:43 AM) *
And finally (whew, apparently I had a lot to get off my chest this morning): parents, why do you let your kids chase after birds? Why do you find it amusing to watch your kids scare birds while they're in the park or other public places? Why are you teaching them that animals, particularly birds, are not to be respected and are playthings for your enjoyment? Years ago, I was at a BBQ with friends in the park and observed two mothers pushing babies in strollers, and both had young toddlers of walking age who they allowed to chase the birds all over the park. As the mothers passed us (after their toddlers had run screaming by 5 minutes earlier, scaring all the birds from the area), I said as nicely as I could, "I really like watching birds in the park. Please don't let your children scare them away." To which one mother responded, "don't tell me how to be a parent, bitch." Nice. I bit back my retort about training her child to grow up to be a sociopath (it starts with disregard of and cruelty to animals) and ruminated on the arrogance I so often see in parents, as if they have more 'rights' than people without children simply because they've procreated. Ugh.


They'll learn their lesson when a goose or swan who's at least as tall as they are pecks their ass! Those things are vicious, man!

We went to see The Dark Knight on Saturday morning at 11am; I was pleasantly surprised that there was a lot less noise from the kids in there than I thought there would be. There was a kid behind us who whispered occasionally, but it was far from the worst I've seen (like at Harry Potter V when the woman got booed out of the theater after her kid started crying 30 seconds into the movie because they were scared....um, hello- did you see the 4th movie? That one was too scary for little kids- why did you think bringing to #5 would be any better?!?!? Best audience reaction ever, though!)

I got locked out of my house last night, so while I was waiting for LeBoy to come rescue me, I was sitting on the ledge outside the building and this family walking a dog came by, walking through the parking lot. For some inexplicable reason they chose to stand in front of me for like 5 minutes and the two little kids (probably 2 and 4) kept coming over and talking to me (in another language, no less). I just smiled and nodded and patted the dog. Gah, they wouldn't go away. I hate when people inflict their children on you, like I want their grubby-faced little children near me. The 4 year old kept spitting as he talked- blech!
culturehandy
You know, I must be an asshole, when I see people in the off leash dog park at the park and I'm there with the hound, I get the dog to purposely run near them to play. The areas are clearly marked. The dog is too afraid of people to do anything anyways...

thritiesgirl, what kind of response did you get from ignorant mother about the sociopath comment??
mornington
pugs, and I thought these? were terrifying (although I don't see many of them in supermarkets, they seems to be confined to toys'r'us)... that's monstrous! Especially that they're so big, at least the ones here are normal-sized shopping trolleys.
LoveMyPugs
do you all think it's wrong to think that you could raise better children then these other knuckle heads in the world? i'm childfree right now by choice but someday i'd like to have a kid. however, i just dislike all the kids i know right now and i tell myself all the time that my kids won't be like that. my kids won't act crazy in public because i won't let them. do you think this is possible or will i inevitably end up like those other parents, staring into the abyss wondering what my life could have been like.

i was reading an article today on the mayo clinic website and it was all about what your baby really looks like when it's born. they were talking about odd shaped skulls, dry skin, enlarged swollen genitals, puffy eyes, birthmarks and i was like, ewww, that is gonna freak me out. apparently, this is what most new parents think when they first see their newborn. the pictures were kinda freaky.
sassy
MissJoy: What you posted makes me so angry! I have worked in an animal shelter and one of the top reasons people surrendered pets was because of "new baby in the house." As far as children being more important than animals...what a crock of crap that is. I'm an active animal activist in my area and vegan. We have four rescued dogs and let me tell you...they will always be more important to me than having children. If you aren't responsible enough to juggle having a dog/cat and a baby, maybe you should rethink having multiple children in the future. Animals don't cry, demand new toys, need babysitters, interupt your nights out, etc.
thirtiesgirl
QUOTE(culturehandy @ Jul 22 2008, 09:00 AM) *
thritiesgirl, what kind of response did you get from ignorant mother about the sociopath comment??

I didn't say it. The comment about not chasing the birds was all I could muster. I'm kind of a wuss that way. I mean, I'm a school counselor and I still have issues when confronted by an angry parent. I mean, if *I* was a parent, I certainly wouldn't want to be told what's wrong with my parenting style (or lack thereof), so I can identify with their anger. But at the same time, the kid has got to be showing the same kinds of behaviors at home and, most likely, driving everyone at home crazy. So I'd assume the parents would want to know how to handle that and hopefully stop the behavior. But, no. They'd rather get angry instead.

Ah, well. Sadly, more to get off my chest about bad parenting today, so pardon me for venting again.

I went to lunch after finishing my community college classes this morning. I was craving fish tacos from Del Taco of all places, and it's right on my way home from school, so I stopped in to take a load off and eat. Unfortunately, I got there right before the lunch rush, so the second I got my tacos and sat down to eat, the place filled up with people. Including several lower income Latina moms with a large number of children between them. And of course they had to sit right next to me, taking up 3 Del Taco tables.

It took me a minute to realize the women weren't all together. The first group consisted of a woman in her late 40s and her two daughters in their mid/late 20s. Between the daughters, they had 8 children, two girls and six boys. The oldest girl was probably about 10 years old and the rest ranged in age down to about 3 years old. The other group were two Latina women with 3 children between them, a baby and two toddler boys.

The first group was the noisiest bunch of people I have ever encountered. Once they sat down and got their food, the other two Latina women with 3 kids moved away from them to the far side of the restaurant, that's how bad it was. I should have done the same.

The grandma and younger daughter from the first group were generally quiet, but they didn't do anything to help the older daughter, who seemed to be dealing with all the kids at once, and very poorly at that. She was a yeller parent, yelling at her own kids, nieces and nephews alike. Which meant, of course, that they yelled back at her and each other with equal abandon. Her oldest son got the brunt of it, but he was exhibiting some pretty hyperactive behavior in the restaurant. He might sit down at the table or do what she asked him to do for a few minutes, but then he'd be up again, bugging his cousins at the other table, which only caused mom to yell at him more loudly in Spanish. It didn't help that the other kids kept going back and forth between the two tables, either. It didn't seem like anyone had ever taught these kids how to sit quietly in a restaurant, or was using the current moment to teach them.

The second youngest girl, who I believe was the daughter of the other mom, didn't get what she wanted to eat, so she yelled at her mom, who then told her to ask her aunt (as I guess she controlled the purse strings in the family). So, rather than quietly going over to her aunt's table to ask for the money, the girl went to stand in line to order and yelled over at her aunt from the line. Her aunt, who was dealing with the other kids, wasn't paying attention, so the girl kept yelling, "Tia! Tia! Tia!" over and over again. When the aunt finally noticed what was going on, she gave money to her oldest daughter and told her to stand in line and help the younger girl order. But I guess that wasn't happening fast enough, so the girl in line started yelling the other girl's name over and over again to apparently get her to hurry up.

I finally had to move away from the families at that point. I couldn't take it. Like the other Latina ladies, I moved to the far side of the restaurant to finish my meal in peace. As I stood up to move, I noticed the first mom's oldest son was now crawling on the floor underneath his cousins' table, but his mom hadn't noticed yet to yell at him. As soon as I finished eating, I was out of there. No leisurely lunch for me. I was never so glad to leave a restaurant in a hurry as I was today.

One last kvetch, and then I'm done. Like Pugs, I've experienced very young kids in the movie theater, too, at movies that are clearly not designed for kids at all. It angers me that some parents seem unaware of this fact, or they just don't do any research on the movie to know that it's really not suitable for kids.

I had a bad experience seeing the movie 300 in the theater, and I'm not talking about all the vaguely homo-erotic macho posturing that went on in the movie. I like a good action flick on occasion, especially when it involves historical battle scenes, so I was really looking forward to seeing the movie. What destroyed my good time were two families with children under age 5 in the theater. The kids could not stop talking and screaming throughout the whole movie. When I left the theater, I talked with theater management and questioned why they'd allow children under age 18 in a R rated movie. Of course management were clueless and offered me free movie passes... which I suppose I should have taken. I was too angry at their cluelessness in the moment, though, so I stormed off in a huff, as if I was making a point. I haven't been back to see another movie at that theater, though.

I also had the same experience going to see American Psycho in the theater. I remember Love & Basketball was in theaters at the same time. So when I went to buy my tickets for American Psycho, there was an African American family standing in line, disappointed that Love & Basketball was sold out. They were considering getting tickets for another movie and decided on American Psycho because they thought it was a horror flick, not having read anything about the movie in the newspapers. (I'd agree, American Psycho is a horror movie, but not in the way they assumed. Nightmare on Elm Street it's not.) They had two small children under age 5 with them, and the theater sold them tickets to American Psycho (an R rated movie) without a blink.

I should have been smart, asked for my money back and gone to see the movie on another day, but I stuck it out, even though their 4 year old kid talked through the whole movie and kept asking questions. "What's he doing?" "Why's he doing that?" "Mommy, what's going on?" O. M. G. Way to traumatize your kids, and ruin my movie going experience.

Do some reading, parents! Find out about the movie before you take your kids! Is that so much to ask?? UGH!

[/rant]
culturehandy
I'd like to know who in their right mind would take children to 300 or American Psycho??? what the hell are you thinking, and you know who's fault it is for those people bringing their children there? The theatres of course!

No one is saying to take your kids to Disney flicks all the time, but what else is age appropriate for a 7 year old? Midnight Cowboy??
pollystyrene
QUOTE(culturehandy @ Jul 22 2008, 08:45 PM) *
I'd like to know who in their right mind would take children to 300 or American Psycho??? what the hell are you thinking, and you know who's fault it is for those people bringing their children there? The theatres of course!

No one is saying to take your kids to Disney flicks all the time, but what else is age appropriate for a 7 year old? Midnight Cowboy??


Because people are selfish idiots- I remember a story I heard on NPR, this woman who went to see a matinee of the latest remake of King King, which I heard was really scary. Sitting in front of her was a young father and his daughter who was about 6. Through the entire movie, the girl was in a fetal position and kept telling her father that she wanted to leave because she was scared. He ignored her and told her to shut up, pushing her off of him. Just a few minutes before the movie ended, once the story was basically wrapped up, he yanked her out of the theater. When the movie really ended a few minutes later, the woman was leaving the theater she saw the father and daughter in the lobby. She heard the daughter say, "daddy, why did we leave the movie?" He yelled back at her, "because you're a big baby and wouldn't shut up!' ohmy.gif The woman said she had to restrain herself from confronting him, knowing if he was that mean to his own daughter, he sure as hell wouldn't take criticism from her very well.

People are just too selfish to get a freaking babysitter for their kids and have the good sense not to expose their kids to violent/scary movies.

There is a theater around here that does not allow children under 10 to a movie with a PG-13 or higher rating, at least there used to be. I wish more would do that.
hellotampon
WORD on the SUV strollers. What happened to a simple umbrella stroller? Why do you have to push your kid around in a tank? I can't tell you how many times I've had my ankles rammed by snotty bitches who use their strollers to passive-aggressively run people over.

And yeah, kids at festivals. I never understood that. I don't know what kind of festival you went to, Mornington, but the ones I go to are flowing with lots and lots of drugs and have one shitty little "kidz tent" or something with only a couple coloring books where parents abandon their dazed, sun-stroked toddlers at at the beginning of the day. If you want to camp, trip your face off, and listen to some jams even though you have children, go for it. Just leave your kids at home with the grandparents!
faerietails
Ooooh, I hate those goddamn SUV strollers! Those obnoxious women always bring them into where I work, and then they can't even turn around and get out of the line after they've ordered (at least not without making this wide-ass turn that pushes everyone to the side).
culturehandy
People who bring their children to a scary movie deserve a lobotomy.

And SUV strollers, don't get me started. For some people, the parents feel it necessary to ram things with said stroller.
candycane_girl
Regarding rude parents, ginormous strollers and kids in restaurants I thought you all might enjoy this article.

As for the movie thing, I'm surprised at all these theatres letting in kids under the age of 18. One of my friends once worked at a theatre and often had the job of telling parents that they couldn't let their kids into R rated movies.

I saw The Dark Knight in IMAX aka even more speakers on Saturday and I couldn't believe that there was a couple behind me with a little newborn. Why on earth would you bring a little baby into a movie with tons of loud gunfire and explosions? I felt sorry for the poor kid.
i_am_jan
QUOTE(thirtiesgirl @ Jul 22 2008, 02:43 PM) *
" ... and ruminated on the arrogance I so often see in parents, as if they have more 'rights' than people without children simply because they've procreated. Ugh.


I think it's exactly this that drives me insane.

In regard to the attack of the gigantic baby strollers! just when you thought it was safe to go back to the supermarket!: I was with a family member of mine while back, her 2 y/o daughter in tow. We were at Meijer. She spied the big buggies kids ride around in mentioned hereinbefore which are the size of the shed in your backyard. (I bit my tongue when she suggested putting the kid into it, she's never been the sort of person I ever try to "reason" with, it's usually useless, god love her) anywho, I notice that the buggy: (1) costs $1.00 (you insert your buck into the buggy to unlock it and then roll it away) and (2) it has a little TV screen inside ~~ with ADS. Commercials with products/toys/snacks from Meijer in it appealing to rugrats rolling over and over. So Mum actually pays a buck to get her kid to watch their commercials and ads.

Parents? Have you no shame?

I mean, we all know Meijer. Meijer does what corporations do. Sell to your consumers. You expect it. But I'd expect the most modest of decent parents to protect their little innocent toddlers from this terrible brain garbage taking up space in their heads for as long as I reasonably could?
thirtiesgirl
I really don't get it. I have to admit, I was even a little horrified to hear that the guy I'm long distance dating right now took his young kids to see the new Batman movie this weekend. His 10 year old son didn't bother me so much (plus, they'd just seen Hellboy 2 the other weekend, just him and his son, and they loved it). But I was worried for his 8 year old daughter. The guy assured me that, although she was scared in a few parts, she loved it overall, and even understood the whole good-evil-gray area dichotomy they stirred up in the plot. Pretty sharp for an 8 year old.

I can remember years ago, I went to my friend Tania's 13th birthday party and her grandfather took us to see Ordinary People, an R rated movie. Ok, I'm showing my age by talking about going to see that movie in the theater, but, anyhoo... since Tania's grandfather was the only adult with us (there were about 7 or 8 pre-teen girls), they wouldn't sell us tickets to the movie. Theater management told us that there needed to be an adult for every underage child going to see an R rated movie. We ended up getting tickets for 9 to 5 instead, which was a lot more fun to see. I don't know why movie theaters don't uphold those rules any more, aside from the fact that it makes them more money.
culturehandy
My issue is with parents who allow their children to scream and be bratty. I have no concerns whatsoever with well behaved children. So long as they don't talk to me.

I do have issues with minivans, SUV's, and the ginormous strollers. Like the woman in the comments who was proud to have spent $1200.00 on a fucking stroller. This is something your kid isn't going to be using for life. Who spends that kind of money on something you'll use for such a short amount of time. It's not like it's snow tires or anything! people are nuts.

I'm reading the original article, and there is an interesting comment from the manager of a store, Popping out one or two brats did not give you a free womb pass to the world.

I am unsure what people are expecting when they have children. Do they honestly expect to live the same kind of life pre-child? Things change, and you do ahve to adapt accordingly. While I understand that parents are frustrated, think of how everyone else feels, including other parents. Many parents are being lumped together because of the shitty parenting styles of others.
hellotampon
On my plane ride back from England I got stuck sitting in a row with a mother and baby.

I'd seen them in the check-in line, which was moving very slowly. The mother had a stroller with an 18-month-old and a luggage cart, and she stood there texting on her phone the entire time. Literally every time the line actually moved, she'd find something better to do, like put down her phone and start fiddling with the baby's things for 5 minutes while everyone behind her waited for her to move her ass forward, or she'd step out of line altogether, leaving her baby and luggage cart sitting there for several minutes.

Then we get on the plane, and the flight is full so I know people will be sitting next to me. The last person to board the plane was this woman. I crossed my fingers hoping she had seats in the back or something and breathed a sigh of relief when she walked by me. Oh, nope. She's just too dumb to read seat numbers- an employee had to show her where she was sitting- 2 seats over from me.

She texted the whole time, even when they said to turn off your cell phones. Meanwhile, the baby screamed- a lot. She jumped up and down and yanked on the girl in front of her's hair several times. She pressed the call button repeatedly so all you heard was ding! ding! ding! ding! until a flight attendant became irritated and asked the mother to make sure the baby didn't do that (she kept doing it). The mother was too busy texting to notice any of this. Halfway through the flight the baby very obviously needed a diaper change, which the mother ignored for about 2 hours, so not only did the baby have to stew in its own shit, but everyone in the vicinity had to stew in the smell. And all the mother did was text, text, text.
pollystyrene
Interesting CBC article.

I do like the term "Kindergarchy"...I think the writer makes some good points, but he's a little long-winded and maybe a little bitter- I don't think taking an interest in your kid's education or going to their sporting events makes them the center of your universe, just because his parents didn't do it. I think it's really sad that he grew up in a generation where it wasn't common to receive physical affection from your parents.

Obviously, some parents today take it to the extreme, but my mom recalls when I was a baby, my great-grandmother and her sisters would give my mom a heard time about playing with me- they couldn't understand why she didn't just let me lie there.
girltrouble
i love this conversation, i guess i'm kind of with culture, i have no problem with well behaved children, i don't mind if those ones talk to me, but i do have a problem with brats, and the adults then own. my best friend likes to his at them, i like to mock them, especially if they are crying. we always get a kick out of it, particularly if we are out shopping for something, at a target or somesuch. the best is seeing the parents. there is this look of shame they get, then of course they get all indignant that lil' stupid has been put in his place.

awwww, sad story.

another thing is....

ugly children. not all children are cute, and have been emotionally blackmailed into going to an ugly baby birfday party over the weekend, i am always amazed at the human capacity to lie thru one's teeth.

why do all the ugly children look slightly like bat boy?


i'm curious, do y'all have any tactic to deal with the little beasts? and do you have any nicknames for children? i think liz taylor calls them "little no-neck monsters" in one of her films. i like that, but i'm always looking for others...

i love the term kindergarchy, although i'd appropriate it to describe the "Nerf culture" where ideas are rejected because some imaginary child might be scarred. usually a similar real child, whose parents are the first to cry "think of the children!" always over something silly, say gay marriage, or seconds of janet jackson's nipple. they're the ones mentioned earlier in the thread, who have no problem taking lil' ragdoll to jason vs. predator 5.
pollystyrene
QUOTE(girltrouble @ Jul 24 2008, 11:20 AM) *

ugly children. not all children are cute, and have been emotionally blackmailed into going to an ugly baby birfday party over the weekend, i am always amazed at the human capacity to lie thru one's teeth.

why do all the ugly children look slightly like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_boy" target="_blank">bat boy?

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i'm curious, do y'all have any tactic to deal with the little beasts? and do you have any nicknames for children? i think liz taylor calls them "little no-neck monsters" in one of her films. i like that, but i'm always looking for others...


Like that Seinfeld episode where their friend keeps nagging them to come over because, "you gotta see the baby!" and then it's a hideous child and Kramer can't hold back his reaction. laugh.gif

"Little No-Neck Monsters" is from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, and yeah, it's an apt description for the evil children in that movie. I think crotch fruit is my favorite nickname for obnoxious children. Or if they're spoiled obnoxious children, I'd say they suffer from affluenza...that mostly applies to the teenage girls you see at the mall with their iphones and Coach bags...but then their mom comes to pick them up. rolleyes.gif
konphusion26
QUOTE(girltrouble @ Jul 24 2008, 12:20 PM) *

i'm curious, do y'all have any tactic to deal with the little beasts? and do you have any nicknames for children? i think liz taylor calls them "little no-neck monsters" in one of her films. i like that, but i'm always looking for others...


Definitely Crumb-snatchers, demon seed, rugrats (frequently used), ankle biters, gosh so many more, but i cannot think right now. Extremely sleepy.
thirtiesgirl
QUOTE(culturehandy @ Jul 24 2008, 06:01 AM) *
My issue is with parents who allow their children to scream and be bratty. I have no concerns whatsoever with well behaved children. So long as they don't talk to me.

In general, that's my outlook, too. I guess I just felt more worried for the kids of the guy I'm dating because I'm developing an emotional attachment. Ach.
CandyMandyDandy
I was thinking the other day if i had kids what it would be like right now...(my best friend from High School has a 1 year old baby and were the same age...im 21) and i was thinking what if i had a kid...ive always thought id be ready to for any thing marriage brought (im not married) and that im ready for it if i met the right guy but being with my bf i actually think im not ready for marriage or a kid...it sort of scares me now
auralpoison
I hate it when an error eats a whole post.
thepointybird
Hey, welcome CandyMandyDandy! From what you say, I guess your friend having a 1yo is freaking you out a bit, and it should - I can't even imagine coping with that shit at her age! I remember a friend of mine getting a job in our home town at the age of 19 - most of the women there were in their late 20s. One of them actually asked her on the day she started "oh, how many kids do you have?" My friend C was like "um, none, I'm still a teenager" and they were basically all looking at her like she had 3 heads.
auralpoison
That just happened to me shopping last night! The woman behind the counter started chatting with me & asked my age, then if I had kids. I'm thirty-three & no. She was shocked & amazed as she was several years younger than me & had three already.

It didn't help that I had the munchies when I went & bought jalapeno chips & pop tarts & sour Pez. Oh, the shame of AP!
thepointybird
Have no shame. AP! The Childfree lifestyle is cool because you're allowed to have fun like this!
pollystyrene
Pfft, AP. I think that was one of the items on that list we had going for awhile about why being childfree is great- because you don't have to be someone's dietary role model.

I'm thinking of quitting the pill after I'm done with this pack (in 2 weeks)...I'm trying to get LeBoy to get a vasectomy because I'm tired of being responsible for the contraceptives. He knows it's the right thing to do, but is still reluctant to do it. I think he's mostly afraid of something going wrong, medically-speaking. *Sigh* We went shopping tonight and, to quote Patton Oswalt, saw the "dead-eyed 25 year olds and their broods of failure"...I kept mouthing to LeBoy "Vasectomy!" tongue.gif
girltrouble
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you're so funny polly....

i miss your sock monkey tho. could you put him in your personal photos? i would see him everyday and talk to him like he was on a web cam. he's a good listener. he offered to be my workout trainer, but he looks too strict for me. i love that he loves rootbeer floats too!

for a while he and pointy bird's monkey were talking smack about each other. that was weird.

cos sock munky was all like YEAH, dood! rawk awn! and bird munky was like, yeah hey, whatever, dood. i just want to marinate, kid. bird munky is so soulful, he really is so funny. but sock munky is such a doer. but when they fight it was like an old married couple. they just started flinging poo...
*whispers* i think they might have a sock crush on each other's stuffing... shhhhh....
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