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gardnerella
The profile for 4jesus4ever is here

It says Stephen.


There is a Steven D Katzner with the most recent address at Three Lakes, WI. I found his picture on Google on a Madison, WI radio station's website holding a dead deer's horns. Whether or not it is 4jesus, who knows. I personally don't think it is because of the name difference.


There is also a 74 year old Stephen Katzner in Brooklyn, NY but I think it's a possibility that the following person is 4jesus:

STEPHEN J KATZNER Born Apr 1975
801 7TH ST S Recorded: 03/01/2006
WAITE PARK, MN 56387 County (320) 230-0627


If this Stephen J Katzner is the same person I think he's living with his mommy right now.

SUZANNE E KATZNER Born May 1950
801 7TH ST S Recorded: 08/13/2002
WAITE PARK, MN 56387 County (320) 230-0627


However, none of these people might be 4jesus.

I thought someone notified this guy's place of employment before? Who was that, when did that happen and does anyone remember what it was?
pollystyrene
I thought we had determined he was Canadian when he was "ste" a couple of years ago.
gardnerella
Is s.katzner@att.com not his real address then? Wouldn't it have some sort of Canadian suffix? Also, how was it determined? Wasn't his place of employment confirmed at some point or am I mistaken?

I can't really find any Katzner's in Canadian phone books.
pixiedust
Frankly, that far north, he may spend a lot of time in Canada. I lived near seattle for a while and my friends were always running up to Canada for one thing or another. And to those who have said he followed them onto other websites...I came upon this link last time I was having problems with stalkers.
snafooey
I think the Canadian troll was someone different - Merle? I'm not sure.

Btw, Canadian addresses don't always have the .ca on the end.
anarch
I just donated $100 online (for efilorp4's 100 posts so far) to South Dakota Planned Parenthood's fight re the abortion ban. (I'm not technologically ept enough to upload photos, sorry.) Next donation will be for GLAD. Thought I'd post info from their site about all the other things they do for women, men, teens,
in addition to abortion.

Praise the Goddess for Her Infinite wisdom, for She works in mysterious ways to redirect the $100 I had earmarked for my savings account to Planned Parenthood instead. Thanks to you wise & witty Busties too. Love you!
efilorp4
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
pepper
cha-ching. another post, another dollar.

pix, your friends may still be able to run on up into canada for a while but the new passport law the us is passing will certainly be keeping the majority of canadians and our every strengthening dollar out of america. only 30% of canadians even have a passport, 20% for americans. so weird, i mean, we're the ones who DON'T have guns!
treehugger
Ohio has it's problems now too. See my post in Perilous Position of Choice.

My next donation is going to go to planned parenthood in Ohio. Thanks in advance, Steve!
lucizoe
Only 20% of Americans have a passport? God, I really DO live under a rock...I thought everyone had a passport...
pepper
luci, it's a really expensive document that takes forever to get and only lasts for five years here (i think it's ten in the states) and you can only really use it for travel for foreign countries. why bother getting one when almost everywhere will accept your driver's license as id? there's a proposal out there to add some encoding to the license that indicates citizenship and would make it acceptable id at the border.
it's crazy you know, i lived in windsor and we could get across with just a birth certificate, that's just a piece of paper with no signature or photograph on it at all, anyone could use yours or you theirs. i always thought it was stupid to even bother, why not just let everyone cross?
so off topic, ha.
pixiedust
Lucizoe,
The main problem I have encountered with a passport( I do have one) is that through divorce my name has changed twice since I got it. I still use it for employment verification since I lost my Social security card, but I'll be getting a new one soon,now that I am remarried. But pretty much what pepper said, if you aren't leaving the country here it is pretty unnecessary. Canada and Mexico didn't require one although from what I read on the cruiseline website everywhere is going to require one at the end of the year. I think that is what is sparking a lot of the illegal immagrant protests lately(not sure because I really haven't followed it) But they won't be able to get passports. Most of them do not have vaild drivers licenses either.
lucizoe
Hee, pepper, I've had one since I was about twelve, I think. They're not really that expensive in the states, for what it grants you - the ability to more easily enter another country (which is why mine is always up-to-date, in case I need to flee :-) ). I think mine was between $40-60 USD, more if you need to rush it. They do last ten years here, although I think they were planning on changing the standards for it, even before all the "terra" shit started happening.

Until current political climate, I never had to show anything when crossing the border, which I do at least twice a year. Now it's fucking ridiculously long lines of cars, in the heat, only to be harassed by over-zealous twenty year old border guards who never deviate from their paranoia script.

Seriously, last time I drove through Ontario, the US border guard gave my mom and I the third degree, asked us where we were going? (northern michigan), why? (to visit family), how do you know your family? (erm...) And this was to cross back into the states.

ergh - sorry so off topic!!
pixiedust
LOL...luci...the way the trolls hijack real threads, feel free to hijack the troll thread anytime!
auralpoison
To continue the OT:

The U.S. Office of Central Statistics says only eighteen percent of Americans have passports. The number of people who smoke cigarettes in the US is twelve percent higher than the total number who have a passport. Isn't that mental? I've actually had an airline employee that didn't understand how to read my passport. She kept telling me that I was not on the passenger manifest even though I had brought written proof that I was booked. She had completely ignored my last name & had been looking me up as my first & middle names only. Sheesh. My passport is my primary form of ID & it confuses the shit out of a lot of people because they've never seen one. A cashier in SE Kansas had to call a manager over when I tried to write a cheque with it. "What state is it from?" Um, it's federally issued. "I need a state to put on the cheque..." Well, it was issued by the Federal government in the great state of Washington, Seattle, specifically. "I need to get a manager." This is Walmart. I can use this thing to get into Peru & as ID to buy $350 worth of crap in the Czech Republic, but you need a manager to take my $25 cheque? I knew I should have gotten out of his line when he called over a manager because he wasn't sure if he could sell cooking wine as he was under twenty one. Idiot.
saktii
there used to be moderators on this board who had the ability to delete non-essential/offensive threads. If I remember correctly, Lysistrata was a mod.... I'm wondering if the trolls would be less likely to garbage up the board if someone was able to delete the "I WANT TO GIVE A BLOWJOB TO JESUS IN THE NAME OF NOT KILLING BABIES EVEN THOUGH THE USE OF MY PETROL POWERED AUTOMOBILE INDIRECTLY MURDERS MORE HUMAN BEINGS EVERY DAY THAN ABORTION, AIDS, AND MY CLINIC BOMBINGS COMBINED"-- Book Of Religious Wingsnuts psalm 666-23 threads they keep creating.
pixiedust
AP: That is too funny! Did he at least id you for the cooking wine? I got id'd for trying to buy campfire lighter fluid last summer. I was like, are you kidding me? We can't campout if we are under 21 these days? I also love how you almost have to sign over your first born to buy decent cold medicine. And if you don't have a 24 hour pharmacy in your area, you are SOL till morning.
pixiedust
saktii: I really think an ignore function would be the best thing. Most boards have them and if someone is on your ignore list, basically you don't see their posts. The attention whoring ones like Stephen would tire really quickly if no one could see what they are posting in BIG RED LETTERS. That way Bust could continue to be unmoderated since there seems to be a lot opposition to Mods. Regular thread clean ups would be nice too...off to go suggest that.
treehugger
Damn. I don't have a passport. I'm gonna go get one.
lucizoe
oh, sheesh, he just doesn't get it, does he?

*shakes head*

whatever
numbnuts
Auralpoison, I understand what you're saying about the passport problem. I think the easiest solution would be to just save yourself the trouble and use your driver's license as your I.D. instead. You won't have to explain that to anybody unless they're really brain-dead. By the way, your name has a neat ring to it. What does it mean? Is it some reference to speech that poisons one's mind, or what?
pepper
hee! i was in cali, fully freaking prego out to here and this FREAK on the transit gave me a hard time for not having the right kind of transfer. he wanted to see some id so i gave him my passport and he asked me what state it was from. i was like "duh, dude, it says right there that it's from CANADA. you know, that huge country just north of here?" totally mystified. and then he tried to LEAVE with it!! i flipped out on him man, i completely refused to have him leave with my $80 fucking dollar unreplacable only piece of photo id while i was in another country. and he kept opening it up as far as possible, creasing out the binding and bending the pages. all for a dollar fifty fare. wtf eh, it's a PassPort dummy, not some alien document. idiot. i'm gonna stick with a driver's license from now on. just as soon as i learn how to drive, heh heh.
auralpoison
See now, Numbnuts, if I *had* a drivers licence I'd use it, but I don't. I don't drive & on average there is a bare minimum of a month wait to take an on the road drivers test. Last time I tried there was a THREE MONTH wait. I could get a state issued ID, but then I'd have to wait around for eight hours in a seedy DMV & then wait three weeks to get an actual plastic ID. Passports are valid, people's brains... not so much. I'd rather deal with morons than hang out at the DMV all day. Of course, there is a really good Soul Food place across the street.

AP crosses fingers & toes. IGNORE button, YEAH!

Aural because it's the only word that can be made from my first name. Poison because some folks like water / some folks like wine / but I like the taste / of straight strychnine!
tyger
continuing ot-ness
in detroit flying to mexico i was using my birth certificate and driver's license to get into mexico (my passport took 2 weeks longer than my friend who mailed his at the same time. which came the day after i left for mexico. damn government lying about length of time it takes) anyhoo, apparently my BC driver's license is completely different than *anything* anyone in detroit had ever seen. i was asked if i was a landed immigrant or illegal alien, because the only part of my id they bothered to read said 'british'. people commented on my accent (exactly the same as my dad's, who i was travelling with). everyone had to see my driver's license, because it was, apparently, so damn pretty.

why don't people understand that it's hard here to turn from a weirdo troll into a functioning member of board society? we're like lions protecting our den of a lounge, why on earth would we forgive and forget at the drop of a hat?
bunnyb
This is such an interesting conversation ... I don't know the statistics (I could check if I could be bothered just now) but I would guess that 80-90% of the population in the UK own a passport. Ours last for 10 years and cost £30 and I would be lost without it; I like the freedom of knowing that I can jump on a flight and flee at any moment.
berenguela
Sorry to derail this interesting passport discussion but I just wanted to record that I finally got off my butt and made a donation to Planned Parenthood for $100 yesterday -- and I know if it were not for the tr0!! I probably wouldn't hve got around to it.
pepper
yeah berenquela!
i feel the same way.
next up for me is some general all 'round support to our local women's center. i'm feeling in the groove about this. it's the best kinda anti tr*ll effort ever!
girlygirlgag
I am taking it a step further. In front of a clinic I drove by the other day were a crowd of women and school children. Next time I drive by, I am parking and counting the number of persons and signs and making a donation, a dollar per each, and if they ask what I am doing I intend to tell them I am making a donation in their name to the clinic.


Asshats.
pollystyrene
There was a story in a recent Bust (or was it Bitch?) of a clinic that did that very same thing- they made a ton of $!
numbnuts
Auralpoison, you say, "I'd rather deal with morons than hang out at the DMV all day." I find this hilarious because going to the DMV primarily involves dealing with morons. :-)
saktii
That's a fantastic idea Girly! Luckily, I live in one of the most liberal cities in the country, so we don't get alot of clinic protesting here.
The impact of overpopulation and disease in countries where there is little to no reproductive choice for women absolutely floors me sometimes.

auralpoison
You wouldn't be laughing if you saw the original edit of that post. I'm not develpomentally diabled, y'know.

My point was that I'd rather deal with a fuckchop for five minutes once every three months than spend eight hours in the DMV dealing with myriad fuckchops with no airconditioning & one bilingual agent for three hundred non-English speakers. Besides if I can educate just one fuckchop in the ways of the world, then I've done us all a mitzvah.

The last time I got bugged was probably nine months ago by a security guard in a mountain casino. Bobo (As that was the name on his tag. I remembered him.) felt I was being uppity by using my passport, "What, you think you're goin' somewhere?" Why yes, yes I do. Are *you* going anywhere, Bobo?

If you're gonna step to me you best have a nickname better than Bobo. That's a name for a poo-slinging monkey in a zoo.

My next cheque is going to NARAL.
girlygirlgag
What is up with Jessica's stalker? I think she should contact the authorities, what a creep!
doodlebug
3G, for some reason, we've been talking about this particular one in the Community Forum...
tyger
trolls suck, but come on. the stuff in the corn cobs thread seriously annoys me more than the original annoying post
doodlebug
I totally agree, tyger. I posted about it over there. Hopefully I didn't piss anyone off too badly, but...it had to be done!!

The troll Stephen Katzner is up to 110 posts. The last time I donated, it was 90, so it's almost time to donate again! :-)

Also, I need to add...for that particular troll thread in ATWT....joking about raping anyone - human or animal - is really gross and not funny at all.
pepper
we are pains in the ass aren't we? i just get so. sick. of. seeing. it sometimes that i will accept anything in it's stead. argh, it's just so Big and Bold and Bright and just Everywhere. wtf, is it so freaking hard to moderate this site just a teensy weensy tiny little bit?

i did a similar thing in the sewing thread 'cause the whole thing was stretched the width of four computer screens and just needed to be fixed it was so Impossible to read. sorry if anyone's pissed about that too.

and yes, that other thread doodle is just grody. it Was on it's way to the bottom too.
venetia
Oh, that's what you were doing! I saw it but I didn't go in to see what it was about.
efilorp4
HOLY BIBLE Matthew 1:20-22
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
pepper
oh geez louise, do i ever want to frikken kill the ball obsessed fucker on this site, ARRGHHH! FUCK OFF ALREADY!!

whew, there. i feel better and i did NOT bump that dang thread.
girlbomb_redux
I know. It's like, dude, I would LOVE to stomp on your balls, but you'd enjoy it too much.

I'm not even sure if that would stop me anymore. I don't know if it's some crazy mind control juju he's working, but I seriously want to jump up and down on this guy's package.

I must be very easy to manipulate. :-)
saktii
all of these passages from the bible just make me want to go be very, very naughty in church pews with my boyfriend.
Last year for my best friends birthday, I bought her a bible, hollowed out the pages (Anton LaVey's nephew Noel was the one who taught me how) and filled the secret compartment with about 200.00 worth of vicodin..... for, um, medical use, of course.
Am I evil? Yes I am!
numbnuts
Girlbomb_Redux, you've got some compelling ideas there. Maybe I can shove you around a little to give you motivation to go extra-hard.

Oh, and yes, I do have mind control juju. I can totally get kicked in the balls by any girl I want any time I want. It's awesome.

By the way, does that Girlbomb book you wrote have any ballbusting in it? If so, maybe I'll get myself a copy. :-)

DISCLAIMER: Most of this post is probably not meant to be taken seriously.
girlbomb_redux
Numbnuts, no shoving allowed. Have I posted a million times about my desire to be shoved? No, I haven't. Therefore, rude. However, if you're really serious about getting me to jump up and down on your genitals, PM me, and we'll work something out. No more posts about it here, or my offer is rescinded.

Oh, and my book is chock full of ballbusting. Like, every other page I'm stomping some dude's nads. In Chapter Eight, I saw off a pair and start wearing them as earrings.

Come to think of it, most of this post is probably not meant to be taken seriously either.
saktii
stolen from CL:
"10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian."
numbnuts
Saktii, that is seriously funnier than any of David Letterman's top ten lists; it's comedy gold for sure. Whoever wrote that deserves a pat on the back and a writing career (if he/she doesn't already have one).
cleanoldguy
Saktii, who's CL? I want to give proper credit when I pass this along. Too good to keep to myself.
kittenb
ditto. I want to borrow that, saktii.
saktii
Oh! I got it from "Craig's List"... Sorry, we call it CL here in San Francsico
efilorp4
HOLY BIBLE Romans 1:19-21
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
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