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girl_logic
Of course. My LDR is going to be in town this coming week - work a bit crazy too, but this is something I'd make time for. CandyCane Girl Maybe if we PM you our email addresses it'll be easier to coordinate this. Unless I'm mistaken there isn't a way to send group PMs.
girl_logic
By the way an old bustie also said she'd be interested in a meetup, tho probably on a karaoke type of night, I don't know if anyone else remembers Snafooey?
Christine Nectarine
hmm...i don't know snafooey, but i am diggin the idea of a meetup. my schedule is wonky, so if a plan is made, i will make all attempts to be there!

i've been excited to use THIS website for planning something. just a thought. shall i PM my email?
girl_logic
I DO like that site Christine. I don't mind doing the co ordinatiing thing if CCG is not into it. I think so far it would be us three, snafooey maybe, and I'll PM geekchickknits to check in here.
candycane_girl
Oooh, I think my friend used something like that when we were trying to coordinate a study group.

I remember snafooey! I can't usually do Saturdays but I'm sure I'll figure something out. However, July 11th is definitely a no go for me. Anyway, I'm sure we'll get this all sorted out.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of any good patios around TO? I should have picked up the issue of Now with the patio guide but I forgot.
geekchickknits
Oh, there are a ton of good patios in Toronto.....particularly east end, but somehow I don't think that'll work for girl logic tongue.gif

The rooftop at paupers, and the victory cafe are two in the annex that pop to mind....
candycane_girl
I think I may have been to Paupers once when I was already drunk. Either way, both of those places sound pretty good. I vote that we all have too many cocktails and an afternoon or evening of chatting.
doodlebug
In my job, I process lottery subscriptions.

I just got W.P. KINSELLA's order across my desk.

YES, it's the REAL W.P. Kinsella. Field of Dreams (Shoeless Joe) author.

Holy crap, I wish I had a reason to phone him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm beside myself........
Christine Nectarine
QUOTE(doodlebug @ May 29 2009, 02:05 PM) *
I just got W.P. KINSELLA's order across my desk.


that is rad doodle! reading that, i got the line about him in the moxy fruvous song in my head...
"who's a funny fella? W.P. Kinsella!"

ccg and girl_logic, i've sent you my email addy. offers to organize are appreciated!
geekchickknits
QUOTE(Christine Nectarine @ May 29 2009, 10:50 PM) *
that is rad doodle! reading that, i got the line about him in the moxy fruvous song in my head...
"who's a funny fella? W.P. Kinsella!"

ccg and girl_logic, i've sent you my email addy. offers to organize are appreciated!


Who brought the cat? Would Maragret Atwood?
girl_logic
geekchickknits & christine, I got your addresses and just sent out an email - still waiting for candycane girl's 411 then we can get rolling. If anyone else is going to be in town and has to get on the roll call message me your email address.

edit thanks ccg got it, emailing you
pepper
QUOTE(girl_logic @ May 20 2009, 09:29 AM) *
Hey Pepper it's nice to see you posting again.
I'm one of those Toronto people everyone in Canada hates. I'm ignorant of anything east of Yonge Street and North of St Clair Ave. Sorry. What's the draw for you guys in Cobourg?
I've seen some disappointing Burlesque shows too - The beauty of that last show was that it was impossible to go wrong. It was the cream of a whole bunch of diverse Toronto acts so there was something for everyone.

The craft thread misses you, lady!



hey, i was exactly that kind of torontonian myself! totally.

cobourg, my papa lives close, it's not to far from TO, good schools, farmers market, near the water, adorably cute cute cute town. hope it works out for us, fingers crossed!

i'll post a link to some recent stuff in the crafty thread. it's hard to keep up w no internet at home but man, do i EVER get a lot done without that distraction! it's amazing...
doodlebug
I gotta get ahold of Field of Dreams now. I feel compelled. I think the public library has it....
Christine Nectarine

I made the mistake of listening so some dumb rock-radio morning show today, and to win a contest callers had to answer 3 “Canadiana” questions. The first question was “name our 3 most recent Prime Ministers, including the current one”. The first 3 callers could not answer this! They weren’t even close! I didn’t know if I should feel embarrassed, insulted, or what, but it was incredibly stupid.

Toronto busties, did you meet up? i'm soooo dissapointed that i couldn't make it, and we didn't even get that house! let me know when you're ready to meet again!!!!!
ketto
It stuns me how little most people know about our country, our government, etc.

Paperboy and I will be in Banff, Vancouver, Nanaimo and all over Vancouver island in a few weeks if anyone is around. Woo! I love the mountains, I'm so looking forward to this trip.
candycane_girl
Happy Canada Day busties!!

Christine, we met up and went to a rooftop patio. Hopefully we can all meet again before the summer's over.
girl_logic
Hey Christine! Yes we met in the Annex and it was pretty low key. One to grow on for me and in honour of geekchicksknit's and candycanegirl's convictions I decided to venture waaaay out to the Danforth this week tongue.gif

I was going to email you guys, but I'll put the invite out here for anyone who is interested - it's a screening happening on July 15th in the village on Church. I'm definitely going to this, so if anyone else is going and/or wants to join me PM me

*~*~*~*~*~*
Sex Workers Vs. The Media: Short films by sex workers from Canada and abroad about the media
Wednesday July 15, 7 pm screening
The 519 Community Centre, main floor
Tickets $8-12 sliding scale, available at the door
Free for sex workers
Wheelchair accessible

The drug addicted sex worker on the street, the high class escort, the trafficked thai woman...

The media is always telling stories about sex workers--but what do sex workers think about the media? More and more sex workers both in Canada and abroad are creating media that reflects the realities, joys, complexities, humour and pathos of this incredibly diverse industry--and rejecting or satirizing the stereotypes we're abundantly familiar with. Come here the stories sex workers flip the lens to reflect on themselves and the media itself.

This evening of short films from the US, Cambodia, India and Canada includes the Canadian premiere of In Our Image, a short documentary about the making of the sex worker run $pread magazine. These screenings will be followed by an audience discussion moderated by Kara Gilles, sex worker, activist and organizer of nearly 20 years.

More details to come.

Volunteers are still needed. If you'd like to help out, get in touch!

Curatorial assistance provided by the San Francisco Sex Worker Film, Art and Music Festival
culturehandy
Happy Canada Day!!!
angie_21
Happy Canada day girls!

Is anyone else out there from Alberta, at all? I need to commiserate over the situation with the new budget. The deficit doubled again, so they've been steadily gutting our health care system over the last month, everything vital is going. STARS and surgeries are the first thing they cut? Give me a break.
ketto
Hope everyone had a beautiful day yesterday! Winnipeg was perfect.
foryoursplendor
Now I know what all the fuss is about when people talk about going to Kenora. I just got back from a week in Lake of the Woods. It was AMAZING.

Happy Belated Canada Day!
ketto
I LOVE lake of the woods. When I was a kid we had a cabin up there and I used to go to Camp Stevens for the diabetes camp (before it was moved). Last year the diabetes camp was on another Island a little further away than Stevens and I worked there. So beautiful! I was really looking forward to working there again this July but they used different counsellors this year so I got ousted. I'm jealous you got to spend a week. tongue.gif
foryoursplendor
Yup, thats the camp I was at!

It would be nice to go back next year if Peace Camp runs again.
lananans
Has anyone seen the latest Stephen Harper story?? At Romeo Dallaire's funeral he was given the host (since it was in Catholic Church) and he didn't consume it. Rumours are that he may have put it in his pocket. Catholics are outraged!

candycane_girl
Ahhh, so that's what I was seeing on the news. I was just flipping through channels and saw the word "communion" on CBC. If he has never been baptized then he should have just gone up there and crossed his arms over his chest to receive a blessing. Or do they do that in the Catholic church?
angie_21
I've had to do that at a catholic funeral, where you just cross your arms or say no thanks and they don't give you the cracker thingy. They even warn you about it beforehand! Harper's a weird werid man. Just when I think he can't get any worse, he does something like this... and makes me not hate him quite so much anymore! it's really just kind of funny (if you're not a catholic, I guess)
candycane_girl
I was thinking about it yesterday and I realized that I have never once met a person who is actually a fan of Harper. Seriously. And I know a fair amount of people.
Christine Nectarine
QUOTE(candycane_girl @ Jul 10 2009, 10:49 AM) *
I was thinking about it yesterday and I realized that I have never once met a person who is actually a fan of Harper. Seriously. And I know a fair amount of people.



ha! i love this comment.

Harper denies the host thing. it's a funny story either way.
i can't believe how he's absconded on his whole "no deficit" thing! i mean, it's understandable, we're short on cash, but just own up to the fact that you have to go back on your word! don't try to make it sound like you planned the whole thing and that you really think its the best thing for the country!
lananans
CC-- in the Catholic church you can just cross your arms and receive the blessing.

I'm really not offended by it, I just think it's awkward and funny -- makes him seem more human almost, not just robotic like he usually appears.

I have a friend who is a fan of Harper actually. She's from Edmonton and is ultra-conservative. But she's the only one I know!
ketto
Nitpick: Romeo Dallaire is NOT dead, it was Romeo LeBlanc.

That's so awesome, FYS. I knew you were going to camp, but I didn't know it was Stephens. That's awesome. It's so amazing out there.

Wednesday at around 3:30 or 4pm we're taking off for our trip. I can't wait to see the mountains again.
lananans
Right. I knew the right Romeo, I just wrote the wrong one.
girl_logic
Is anyone planning to do the Queen West Art Crawl in Sept? I just found out I made it into the massive Outdoor Art Show and Sale at Bellwoods Park (!!!!such a big deal for me!!!!) Anyhow if you participate this year, come say hi.
pepper
How was that art show and sale girl-logic? We were in Trinity Bellwoods for a few minutes during out trip to TO, sadly not at the same time as you though...

It's late but I can still hear the geese honking overhead as they fly past. On their way to Point Pelee maybe? It's sounds so autumn to me. I haven't noticed that scent on the air yet though, you know the one that lets you know cold weather really is just around the corner. I don't think I'm ready for it, still loving those flipflops and sundresses for a bit longer. Stay mr sun, don't go don't go...
ChingusKhan
The polygamy charges against Blackmore have been dropped:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/...-bountiful.html

I'm pissed. This guy is a right f**ktard.
angie_21
QUOTE(lananans @ Jul 11 2009, 02:29 PM) *
I have a friend who is a fan of Harper actually. She's from Edmonton and is ultra-conservative. But she's the only one I know!


I was going to say something about not juding everyone from Alberta as conservative Harper-loving crazies. But then I realised that would be almost a lie. I'm surrounded by them. It's terrfying. They don't necessarily love Harper so much as hate Jack Layton and people with french accents that they can't understand, but still.
pepper
How anyone can dislike the NDP these days is beyond me. They seem to be the only party that gives a flying fuck about actual Canadians.
culturehandy
I'm "involved" with a man who lives in a more affluent part of the city we live in. I remember heading over there one time during the campaign and I was in a sea of blue. It was nothing but Conservative supporting people everywhere. I just about got sick, I was like a deer in headlights. it was horrible, like a really bad nightmare.
ketto
I live in a conservative riding. Blech. We had new neighbours move in a few weeks ago who have a Harper bumper sticker. I can't believe people would advertise that.
ChingusKhan
I'm your worst nightmare. White, middle-aged and male. Make a good living in the private sector, supplying goods and services to the resource extraction industry (Mining and oil & gas companies). And, yep, right now, I vote Conservative. Never did vote Reform, though.

I also volunteer as a ski instructor for disabled adults, coach my kid's soccer team, I'm on the PAC at my son's school (He's in Grade 5) and I'm a volunteer board member on couple local community organizations.

Just saying that people are more than the sum of what they do for a living or who they work for.
pepper
How how how can you vote for that **** though? Just how do you do it, what do you see in him and his party that isn't dreadful? I'd really like to know the answer to this as every time I hear anything about them it makes me cringe. Everything that has anything to do with actual people just gets mangled by them. It's harsh.
koffeewitch
Dear Canadian Busties, I don't want to derail any on-going conversations, but why is it your country is relatively sane and civil and down here in the US we have...we have freakin' illiterate, apathetic, violence-entrenched morons. We don't have decent education or health care (BEST country in the world, right?). Seriously you are a young country like us, your people have easy access to weapons like ours, but you guys don't have thousands and thousands of murders every year. I KNOW you have your problems, too. But seriously. I feel like the US is the only country that went straight from barbarism to decadence without once passing through an era of civilization. Is it our economy? Is it our military agenda that champions genocide in the name of "peace"? Is our country a global version of a rich spoiled teenager? WHy don't Canadians have these same problems? I would really, really love to know what you guys think about this.
ketto
I agree, nearly every time I hear something that the Harper government has done I feel sick and angry. Especially because he acts like he's repsenting "all canadians". That pisses me off more than anything. And the fact that so many people buy into their smeer ads really gets to me too. The purpose of an opposition party is to keep the government in check and that's what they're doing.

I've noticed out local shaw station a few weeks ago asking people if they wanted an election, and almost everyone said no, but a lot of people said, no, but if I had to vote it would be to get rid of Harper. I still think it's a bad time for an election but I will take any opportunity to try and get out this government.

rogue
You raise a lot of interesting questions, KW. To be honest my first reaction to your post was that we don't have as liberal gun laws in Canada as you guys do in the US. From what I understand about the US, it is your right to "bear arms" and pretty much anyone can purchase a gun. Not so here in Canada. I know in my province (Nova Scotia) it is almost impossible to get a handgun license. I don't think it's overly difficult to get a license for hunting-type guns, but there are steps and procedures that one needs to go through. Now, that doesn't mean that handguns are not present in Canada because obviously, they are. I know that the city that I live in (Halifax) is ranked amongst the highest for murders per capita in our country. And I don't think that the people are getting killed with hunting rifles and shotguns. I'm just sayin'. But I also know that the only times I have ever seen a gun in my entire life is when it is slung in the holster on the hip of a police officer. This includes the guns that my uncles own because they are all avid hunters.

Obviously every country in the world has its bad apples. I don't know what causes the US to have the issues that it has. I personally have never been to the US but I have some awesome friends from down there that I met while on an exchange to England while I was in university. Only one of the Americans that I made friends with while over there was a Republican - all of the others were fierce Democrats. I don't know if that has something to do with it, but in my experience I find that Democrats are more open minded than Republicans. Does that make any sense?

I'm sure that from reading this discussion you can see that our fellow Busties have been posting about Stephen Harper, our Prime Minister, who I would kind of compare to being a Republican for the benefit of your understanding. I think a lot of the "youth" in Canada (ages 18-30) are not happy with his government but the problem is - only 15% of this age group in Canada actually votes and that isn't enough to change anything. I think that is a truly pathetic number. This same age group makes up 35% of the voting population in Canada. I agree with you, Ketto - Stephen Harper is not representing "all Canadians" because the majority of Canadians don't even vote. I also think that Harper is off his rocker if he thinks that Canadians actually want him to be in office - he's only been there since January of 2006 and if we have another election that means that he will have had three elections over the course of the three years he has served. If I were him I would step down out of embarrassment. I truly believe that he only gets re-elected each time - and with a minority government! - because the of the low voting percentage among those aged 18-30. I worked the federal election last fall as a deputy returning officer and I can tell you that - at least in Halifax West - the majority of the voters I saw at my polling station were all well over 30.

Okay, I've really said a lot here. I don't mean to go on like I do but I'm a little bit passionate and crazy when it comes to politics. I personally vote NDP and I am proud of the fact that Nova Scotia just voted in its first NDP Premier this past spring (and also that he is from the riding that I live in/haved lived in my entire life). I'm not afraid to be loud and proud of the fact that I think the NDP are awesome. But yeah, that's just my .02.
koffeewitch
Thank you, Rogue. And you're right, our Democrats are usually more progressive in their thinking. It seems to me that Cananda has a truer democracy. How can we have a democracy when we only have 2 parties (or realisticly one party, "the big business/corporate party" and it's two factions that give an illusion of democracy)?

How do you guys feel about your economy? I know times are very hard right now for most people but in a general sense are there many Canadians who work a full-time job at above the minimum wage but are still WAY below the poverty line and without any insurance or supplemental forms of income?

I'm sorry to hear of the apathy of young Canadian voters...I think that's one of the U.S.'s major problems. It goes back to the old saying "in a democratic society, the people get the government they deserve".

Sorry to plague you guys with so many questions...since I'm on a roll I'll throw one more out there. Do you guys have massive MASSIVE amounts of students who graduate from high school and cannot read above a second grade level?
rogue
You know, KW, it's funny what you say about having a true democracy, especially in terms of only have two main political parties in the US. Here in Canada we have four-five main parties - the Conservatives (who are currently in power with a minority government), the Liberals, the New Democrats (or NDP), the Bloc Quebequois (which may or may not be considered a major party because they are only really "popular" within the province of Quebec), and the Green party, which only really gathers a small amount of ridings both federally and provincially (at least in Nova Scotia). In the last election, all five parties were part of the running for a federal leader. I personally think that it's really difficult to have five parties to choose from, although it does make for a lot of diverse points of view and each party holds something different as their main "selling" point. In Canada we haven't had a majority government (which is, according to Wikipedia's explaination, when the governing party enjoys an absolute majority of seats in the legislature or parliament) in five years. It's usually quite hard for the governing party to get anything done in terms of legislature and things like that in a minority government because the other parties can "join together" (for all intents and purposes) and overrule them. Even though it's pretty much all I've known, I find it strange to have so many leading parties. There are even more smaller ones (for instance, one can also vote for the Cannabis Party or the Communist Party here in Nova Scotia (I don't know if these are in other provinces). They are very small and not many people vote for them, but they do exist. Most people I know believe that there really are only three parties to vote for in Canada - the Cons, the Libs, or the NDP, and even out of those three the Cons and Libs are usually the two dominating parties.

To be honest, I don't know much about the state of the economy in Canada because it's not something I really follow (although I should because I work for a business advocacy organization in my city). I don't believe it to be as bad as it is in the US, and I know that Mark Carney, who is the governor of the Bank of Canada, announced over the summer that the recession is coming to an end here. Even still, he said that unemployment will continue to be on the rise and it has been recently, increasing every month (again, at least in Nova Scotia). I know that there is no way in hell I will quit my job anytime soon, not only because I really like it but also because it's really hard to find a job in my city. A friend of mine is a journalist/editor by trade and has been out of work since the beginning of May when her internship with a wine magazine out west ended and she returned east. The job market really isn't good for anyone right now, I don't think, no matter where you are.

As well, I know that Wikipedia isn't a true reliable source of information, but according to the site Canada no longer tracks its literacy rates. However, according to some information that I found on the Conference Board of Canada's website, it appears that out of 14 countries, Canada is ranked fourth for adult literacy rates and was given a "B" grade. The US ranked 11th and was given a "C" grade. This data was compiled last October. From what I've seen just by Googling "literacy rates in Canada", it's apparently more of a problem than we believe it to be, which kind of makes me sad to think about because I really believe that everyone should be able to read and to read well. I love reading very much and kind of believe it to be a basic right, especially since there is no cost to attend public school in Canada from grades Primary-12. I know that it's not always affordable to have children in school (there was a news article here in my city about a woman complaining about the cost of school supplies just this month) but I think you know what I'm saying.

I think I'm hogging the thread again but forgive me, it's a really slow work day. rolleyes.gif If anyone protests to my posts please let me know and I can PM them instead. I certainly don't mind doing so and as always, want nothing but a harmonius Lounge.



koffeewitch
I thank you again, Rogue. I'm fascinated by your feelings about Canada's political system. I feel like every fall we run into our ballot boxes to "throw the bums out", but it's just a game. We're still voting in exactly the same kinds of people, more or less. But inspite of our two party system our politicians also have a terrible time getting the votes to pass legislation. If we had more parties, I would atleast feel like I was voting my conscience and not just for the lesser of two evils. I would love a Green Party here in the States. I would love it if our politicians had to have actual debates from a variety of perspectives and not just sound bytes that are mostly focused on creating scandal for the other party. We technically have other parties, but they get less than 1% of our votes.
I apologize for jumping in on your forum, I know this isn't exactly what this forum was created for. However, I hope anyone with a strong opinion on these issues will either respond here or PM me...I've been ruminating about these issues and wondering how Canadians feel for a long time.
ChingusKhan
QUOTE(pepper @ Sep 29 2009, 02:14 PM) *
How how how can you vote for that **** though? Just how do you do it, what do you see in him and his party that isn't dreadful? I'd really like to know the answer to this as every time I hear anything about them it makes me cringe. Everything that has anything to do with actual people just gets mangled by them. It's harsh.


I vote based on competence. Right now, at the Federal level, the Conservatives are the most competent. They've done an exceptional job managing the economy through this very difficult patch and Harper, frankly, has managed his party way better than Ignatieff has managed his.

FYI, your visceral reaction to the Conservatives is mine to the NDP. Can't stand them. Can't stand them when Jack Layton talks about "working Canadians" as if I and my friends are not. I do remind myself, though, that politics is theater and that while I disagree with the NDP, I can't take their seeming insults personally.

Koffeewitch, don't be too hard on your country. No country in history can re-invent itself with such vigour as the United States. The US may be suffering right now but - and I'm sure of this - it will re-invent and re-invigorate itself sooner than anyone believes. And Barrack Obama is a miracle. Not only is he the right man at the right time, he is emblematic of all that is so compelling about the United States. Only in the US could someone from so far outside the "system" be elected to its highest office. I - very honestly - never, ever thought I'd see the day that a black man elected President. The fact that he was, given your country's history, speaks to essential "rightness" of the place.

I sound like a pedantic old fart, don't I...
koffeewitch
Khan: We agree heartily on the Obama issue...I'm thoroughly amazed our president graduated from Havard and then went back to the inner city of Chicago to become a low paid community activist!! Yes, this IS the kind of leader I want for the U.S. right now. However, our main problem is not our economy. An independent study confirmed that something like 1 out of 4 teenagers drop out of highschool. Rogue's research on our literacy rate is appalling (ranked 11th our of 14 countries) and yet I wonder if it is optimistic as so many of our people cannot read. The generations that made the US great are dead and gone. I'm waiting for us to fall like other "great" nations before us. From the outside, it seems to me that Canada has a brighter future in this respect (and I don't think this is simply a case of "the grass always looking greener...").

But Khan, I'm curious...I've been reading and learning about Canada's politics...you are obviously more conservative than the rest of this forum. Are you saying if a Barak Obama ran for Prime Minister, someone with the same policies you would support them?
ChingusKhan
Koffeewitch, (I like the name, FYI!) our Conservative party here in Canada is to the left of your Democrats. Socialized medicine, strict firearms control, no death penalty, access to abortion and, now, same-sex marriage are fundamental facts of Canadian social life and no politician, regardless of their personal views, dare challenge them. If they did, they'd get crushed next election. One of the factors in Conservatives not getting a majority last election was their proposal to toughen up youth crime laws. That sort of thing does not fly at all in Quebec.

What I mean by the above is that if I were an American, I'd be a Democrat. Here in Canada, I'm a "Red Tory" or a "Blue Liberal". Red is the colour associated with the Liberal Party and blue is the colour associated with the Conservatives. I'm a small "c" conservative regards economic policy - I believe in a free market bounded by strict regulation - but I am liberal as hell socially. Don't really care what you do in your own home as long as everything is consensual and nobody's getting hurt.

Would I have voted for Obama if I were an American? Absolutely.

He was, by far, the most competent candidate.

FYI, nearly everything about our democracy is profoundly different than yours. First, we're a confederation of regions, not a federal state. Canada was created by the different -and they are very, very different - regions joining each other - each with a slightly different deal - in Confederation. Here's a wiki to some history on Confederation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Confederation

Note that we didn't have a War of Independence, we had meetings. smile.gif Compromise and negoiation are at our core.
koffeewitch
Your reply just made my jaw drop wide open. I've spent my entire adult life fighting for the things you mentioned that Canadians take for granted. This has always been my perception of Canada, granted. But to "hear" people causually talk about these things...I'm speechless. It's like talking to Swedes about their government. I ask them over and over "tell me about universal health coverage, tell me about parental leave, tell me about free education".
Wow...still sitting here speechless.
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