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knorl05
the intitial post was my knee jerk reaction.. the second was after i had given it some thought wink.gif

ps your avatar is great sukouyant
sukouyant
QUOTE(knorl05 @ Aug 12 2007, 10:24 AM) *
the intitial post was my knee jerk reaction.. the second was after i had given it some thought wink.gif

ps your avatar is great sukouyant


baby animals might be the missing link to world peace (or kitten domination)
culturehandy
word Knorl. You've hit the nail right on the head.
sukouyant
knorl's an articulate dame

Earlier this week

Prostitution laws face challenge: They are unconstitutional, Vancouver lawyers claim

(prostitution is legal in Canada, while many of the ways prostitutes prefer to work are not.)
Divala
Karl Rove is leaving at the end of the month. My first thought is "yay!", but then I wonder if, since he'll be out of office, if he'll still be held responsible for anything that he did. You've gotta wonder why he's leaving a little over a year out from the next major election, which he should be pretty well entrenched in by now.

The scary thing is that he wants to teach politics. Maud help us.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20242719/
sukouyant
I like where the article mentions that he's known as "bush's brain".
culturehandy
He predicts that Bush will regain popularity? I've no doubt that will happen...when his term is finally finished and he's no longer in the White House.

ugh, Karl Rove is a dipshit.
ginger_kitty
I felt like the Rove thing was just him trying to escape before he is held accountable for anything. I am glad to see him go, but it seems like too little, too late. I am sure Bush is going to continue reeking havok on our country until he is out of office.
nickclick
i have to say, the man's damn good at PR..... what else can explain all those people voting for an inexperienced monkey-looking, english-gargling, spolied son of a terrible president ? twice ?

maybe coca cola will hire him.
culturehandy
Words cannot even describe. Sadly, there are many who are unsurprised by this
freckleface7
QUOTE(culturehandy @ Aug 15 2007, 03:36 PM) *
Words cannot even describe. Sadly, there are many who are unsurprised by this

that is heartbreaking culturehandy, how very Tragically SAD.

and that the kids won't be punished bc they are too young?
they were old enough to understand he could not swim.
they were old enough to Humiliate him by making him strip first!

this freaks me out on so many levels, that I am raising a child in this sort of world. sad.gif
the closer we get to the start of another school year, the more I desperately want to keep my frecklette home & with me forever & ever.
culturehandy
Freckle, this is a very sad thing. Unfortunately, in Canada, the Aboriginal community is marginalized and suffers extreme levels of addiction, suicide, teen pregnancy, poverty, etc. The suicide rates on reserves or upwards of 10 or 15 times the national average. The Federal Government here doesn't do shit. The current government ended the most recent accord which would have pumped billions into programs for the Aboriginal Community.

Some reserves don't have running water or electricty. You have homes that are condemned and people are still living in. It's not unusual to have 15 people living in a two bedroom house.

It's disgusting.

The outcome of many of these things is the article you just read.

In my line of work I've seen women who are 30 who have 7 and 8 children. They become pregnant at age 13 and it continues. There is a lack of education on reserves, as often times, because the communities are so small, there is no high school, so in order for someone to complete high school they have to the next biggest centre. Family is very important to the First Nations Communities, so it is hard to leave them to complete school There is very little work on reserves, and nepotism isn't uncommon. These people have nothing. Some reserves in the country are comparable to under developed nations.

It's Canada's dirty little secret. I equate it with the Maori, Aboriginee and African American populations.
freckleface7
culture,

I had no idea about any of that, starting with that there were any Aboriginal People's there in Canada whatsoever.

I understand though.. you hear about things like you said about the economic status of things here in the US on the Indian Reservations too, which is why (in my very limited knowledge & understanding of things) some/many of them have gone into running casino's & the like.

no future, no prospects, what does that do to the children growing up w/ in them?

that said, I totally disagree w/ what is being done With (as opposed To or even better FOR) those children that commited that crime. they need some sort of punishment with help.
my heart hurts for the family.
culturehandy
The Canadian justice system is set up in such a way that it stresses rehabilitation. Which some argue causes a revolving door justice system.

With that said, you don't want the case, for example, in the U.S. where a war vet was sent to jail for 90 years for growing his marijuana. Information regarding that can be found here.

Canada does not want to breed career criminals. The justice system cannot prosecute anyone under the age of 12. Where do you send these children?

There are so many things wrong with this. Such loss all around. I can't imagine.
erinjane
Freckle, Canada has a huge Aboriginal population, in fact, where Culture and I live 8% of the total population is Aboriginal.

Culture, did you hear how at the same reserve that a former chief, an addictions worker, and a band council member have all been charged with bootlegging? That's just disgusting.
culturehandy
Erin, I did not, but that doesn't surprise me. I hear first hand from my clients the level of corruption which exhists on reserves.

I don't understand why you would not want the best for the people you govern. What politician does. This is a popultion which is marginalized, suffers hugely and no one seems to give a shit. It hurts my heart.
kittenb
Gonzales Resigns.

Gonzales Resigns as Attorney General
By STEVEN LEE MYERS
WACO, Tex., Aug. 27 — ­ Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, whose tenure has been marred by controversy and accusations of perjury before Congress, has resigned. A senior administration official said he would announce the decision later this morning in Washington.

Mr. Gonzales, who had rebuffed calls for his resignation, submitted his to President Bush by telephone on Friday, the official said. His decision was not immediately announced, the official added, until after the president invited him and his wife to lunch at his ranch near here.

Mr. Bush has not yet chosen a replacement but will not leave the position open long, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the Attorney General's resignation had not yet been made public.

Mr. Bush had repeatedly stood by Mr. Gonzales, an old friend and colleague from Texas, even as he faced increasing scrutiny for his leadership of the Justice Department, including his role in the dismissals of nine United States attorneys late last year and questions about whether he testified truthfully about the National Security Agency's surveillance programs.

"We're watching a political exercise," Mr. Bush said at a news conference this month, dismissing accusations that the Attorney General had stonewalled or misled a congressional inquiry. "I mean, this is a man who has testified, he's sent thousands of papers up there. There's no proof of wrong."

Mr. Gonzales's resignation is the latest in a series of high-level departures that has reshaped the end of Mr. Bush's second term. Karl Rove, another of Mr. Bush's close circle of aides from Texas, stepped down two weeks ago.

The official said that the decision was Mr. Gonzales's and that the president accepted it grudgingly. At the same time, the official acknowledged that the turmoil over his tenure as Attorney General had made continuing difficult.

"The unfair treatment that he's been on the receiving end of has been a distraction for the department," the official said.


tommynomad
International Free Hugs Day being planned for Monday, September 10th

Many of you are probably familiar with Juan Mann and his free hugs movement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Mann

Here's the seed with which it started: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4
Here's a previous free hugger in Korea: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKILQPBcVTI

You cna see from the videos that a lot of passers-by think the whole thing is lunacy. But if enough people do it....

Shenomad and I think this is one of the greatest local, human-scale acts we can perform to make this world better. We're going to be out in Seoul (or maybe Daejeon) in 8 days with our sign and our digicam. Who else is in?

erinjane, I know that on the last day, there were huggers at the Forks and at UofM's school of music. Have you seen any of them?
freckleface7
I watched the video; really beautiful.
I'm not sure that a hug could end all wars, but for a minute maybe, I do think it could make the world a kinder place.

I sent it on to a bunch of people. thanks for posting that Tommynomad.
erinjane
I didn't see any of the huggers personally but I heard about it before hand. There's a few facebook winnipeg groups about it. I like the idea of it.
Alotta Errata
I like the idea of it. I'd be a little concerned, as a woman, of being groped, but I suppose if I was with other free huggers then I wouldn't be worried. I wonder what the officials on my college campus would think of this.
tommynomad
Have I been out of college so long that it seems to me a college campus would be the most likely place for something like this to happen unaccosted? What kind of education can anyone get in a place with rules against hugging/PDAs/public discourse?

Alotta, I think you'd be surprised at how few people 'take liberties' with free huggers. I have no experience first-hand, but I've read a lot about it, and have only heard of one bum grab (which--let's face it--on the seriousness scale of offenses ranks pretty low, especially if you're already hugging someone).

I say go for it: what have we got to lose, except inhibitions and hang-ups? Considering the payoff--a day of hugs and more joy in the world--it's a no-brainer!
Alotta Errata
I could live with a bum grab.

I once was the recipient of a boob grab while walking down the hallway of my undergraduate institution. It was like he was picking an apple off a tree. Of course, my undergrad institution was populated primarily by guys with NO social (or hygiene) skills what so ever. tongue.gif
tommynomad
Wow. Shitty about the accosting, bizarrely humourous as it sounds now.

I just finished a three-year stint at a uni with 85% male engineers. They wouldn't know a boob if they grew it themselves.

The women on campus were hilarious though: almost all of them were in the drama/film/culture faculties, where kids are like uni students everywhere else: horny, high, irreverent. And all of them complained about having to go off campus to find a boyfriend! I guess they'd thought with the ratio, it'd be easy. But most of the boys on campus were just that: boys who spent every waking hour programming either robots or the next Warcraft.

Actually, one of the graduate English students (female) may join us for Free Hug Day--I'm so proud of her!
Alotta Errata
QUOTE(tommynomad @ Sep 5 2007, 10:17 PM) *
Wow. Shitty about the accosting, bizarrely humourous as it sounds now.

I just finished a three-year stint at a uni with 85% male engineers. They wouldn't know a boob if they grew it themselves.

The women on campus were hilarious though: almost all of them were in the drama/film/culture faculties, where kids are like uni students everywhere else: horny, high, irreverent. And all of them complained about having to go off campus to find a boyfriend! I guess they'd thought with the ratio, it'd be easy. But most of the boys on campus were just that: boys who spent every waking hour programming either robots or the next Warcraft.

Actually, one of the graduate English students (female) may join us for Free Hug Day--I'm so proud of her!


OMG did we go to the same school? That's why I wasn't offended by the boob grab, I figured I could count it as a charity donation. The few girls at our school got big 'ole egos because, being a rare species, they got more attention than they would have if attending a school with a healthy female:male ratio. For instance, an average looking girl was suddenly super model hot on our campus. And then of course there is the joke "why are the girls at XYZ like parking spaces? The good ones are always taken and the rest are handicapped"

tommynomad
I don't think so: I was teaching on a little country campus in the hills of western Korea.

But it's nice to know we weren't the only ones!

The weather forecast for Monday is still more torrential downpours. sad.gif It's been raining for like, 9 straight days already!
pollystyrene
Cool!
falljackets
i really hope my boy grows up to be like these guys
culturehandy
That is very fucking cool! They should have made the bullies wear pink!!! That would have rocked!
missladyj
what an awesome story!!!
Alotta Errata
that's so cool!
pollystyrene
Then there's this woman. rolleyes.gif
suzukibeane
I don't know where else to post this but it is URGENT as far as I am concerned...

One of my education professors gave me this link to a warning for Parents of Kids in Public School.

Bush has a new world order craziness that needs to be passed on and stopped.

this blurb is from Here


"URGENT WARNING TO PARENTS / UNIVERSAL MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING / COMING SOON TO YOUR SCHOOL



President Bush formed a group called “The New Freedom Commission On Mental Health, (NFC). The NFC, headed by Michael F. Hogan, Ph.D., who has direct financial ties to both the pharmaceutical industry and Teen Screen, has recommended universal mental health screening and treatment for infants, toddlers, children, and adolescents and plans to “partner” with schools throughout the United States to implement this. By both federal and state law, in order to implement such screenings a school is required to first get written parental consent. However, the creator’s of this screening have developed the concept of “passive consent.” This means that as long as a parent does not send a letter to the school insisting that their child not undergo this screening, it is assumed that the parent has given “passive consent,” even if they were never notified about it. "


Please pass this on to anyone that you know that has a kid in school, or will or might be interested in preventing the US from becoming a Sci-Fi novel, as if it isn't already... There is a page that has Q&A here and there is an "opt out" print out somewhere in one of the pages.


Any thoughts? What book had everyone medicated? I know I read it in high school...
ToughandPopular
So Bush can't get behind federally funded, universal healthcare for poor kids but universal mental health screenings, well that's a horse of a different color. John Stewart was right; these are the actions of a cartoon villian. Bush has made the tansition from Nixon to Mr. Burns.
culturehandy
I have to say, I love a president that runs the states like a 5 year old. He doesn't get what he wants through congress, so he just vetos everything anyway. Jeez, there's a true democracy if I've ever seen one. It doesn't help that Stephen "the douche bag" Harper is the Canadian equivilant.
ginger_kitty
Bush is such an evil prick....I keep expecting him to announce that he's decided to cancel the '08 elections and turning the US into a fascist nation, which he rule as a dictator.

I wonder if he's set any records for vetos?

ToughandPopular
Actually ginger kitty it's worse than that. Bush held the record for fewest vetoes of any president up until July of 2007 when he put the kabosh on using federal money for stem cell research. Yah know, back when every sect of the federal government, including the congress, was controlled by right wing fundementalist republicans. Needless to say since the democrats took over the congress Bush is now less bashful about throwing his veto weight around. Funny, no?
lilacwine13
I really shouldn't be shocked that Bush vetoed health care for children, but it still pisses me off. It's okay to preserve the life of embryos and fetuses, but heaven forbid we keep children who are out of the womb alive and well. /sarcasm/

I hope that Congress gets the votes it needs to override the veto.
culturehandy
It really says something about the way he was raised.
phobia
I was listening to this series on NPR recently relating to the huge amount of failed marraiges in the military, particualry among returning soldiers. Does anyone else think it is highly ironic that Bush & Co. babble constantly about the "sanctity" of marraige, how it should be "protected," yet are deliberately sending people into a situation that is known to demolish marraiges? Not to mention the whole "pro-life" bullshit -- how pro-life can you be if you're personally responsible for war? Yeesh.

Anyway, just wanted to note in addition that Doris Lessing has won the Nobel Prize for literature.
culturehandy
It's like being pro life and pro capital punishment. CH confused. I'd better not think about this at all or else my head is going to explode.
i_am_jan
[quote name='phobia' date='Oct 11 2007, 01:21 PM' post='172956']
I was listening to this series on NPR recently relating to the huge amount of failed marraiges in the military, particualry among returning soldiers. Does anyone else think it is highly ironic that Bush & Co. babble constantly about the "sanctity" of marraige, how it should be "protected," yet are deliberately sending people into a situation that is known to demolish marraiges? Not to mention the whole "pro-life" bullshit -- how pro-life can you be if you're personally responsible for war? Yeesh.

Wow I hadn't considered that...but I'm glad someone has pointed that out. More BS lipservice from shrub.
pollystyrene
Adbusters magazine did a very interesting article a few years ago (maybe during Bush's first term) that was a psychological profile of Georgie. Basically, his momma didn't love him enough.
freckleface7
phobia-
while I can def see your point about the divorce rate tied w/ deployments for military couples, please put it into context of a similar sampling of civilians ( as much as is demographically possible, look at ages of both partners, actual jobs(bc there are a lot of civ jobs that require absences, excessive hours & frequent travel as well) etc etc.) and see if those numbers still seem so "shockingly high."

I do get what you are saying, that Bush is constantly sending our soldiers away and that is a large contributing factor.
however, I take exception to that.
and the mr & I do not feel he has sent the troops in on a whim.

my mr has been active duty 15 years, and is currently on his 3rd tour downrange. we are also due to hit our 16th wedding anniversay in the next 3 months.
we are as happy & stable as we have Ever been. we accept that this (deployment) is part & parcel of the life we have chosen together.
yes sometimes it Does suck;
I have my really shitty days where I stupidly watch the news & then am a basket case till the next time he calls & I freak out on him for not calling sooner. - it's not exactly the 'hi honey how's life' call I know he expects to get when he finally finds the time to get to a phone, but you know, again, I have great faith in his skills and the kind of not just soldier but Man that he is.
I don't see how that's any different than any other relationship in this world; it can be just as dangerous to cross the street or drive a car on a daily commute to work as to be deployed.

the military, and our marriages w/in it, is a microcosm of society, the last few years put under an enormous magnifying glass. we are not as different in many ways from our civilian counterparts.
the divorce rate of Young Couples has been and probably will always be, high. poverty/lack of money, yup, puts a hell of a lot of stress and strain on any relationship, but in our world, that's partly what motivates our soldiers to do better and work harder to get promoted faster. we also however, have good to occassionally even great free healthcare (including mental health services).
the time apart is often (as has been with us) a time of growth for a couple, where you learn to appreciate in a much deeper way, the person you are partnered to. ( & yes I know that sounds like bullshit but is still verymuch true.) deployments Are hard, and the mr has seen things I know have changed him, but not irreparably. is there a period of adjustment, a "transitionary time" when he first gets back? of course. but you tell me who is the same day to day?

- I'm sorry to have blabbed like a nutcase about this, but you cannot fairly judge a book by its cover in this case.
= apologies=
culturehandy
Polly, that'd be an interesting article to read. I wonder if he's recieved the love and recognition from his parents that he wants. I doubt it. They probably think he's a screw up. No wait, they know he's a screw ball!
phobia
Frekle,
Ask NPR your questions. Just saying. I didn't write the stories. I'm glad you and your hubby can work through the long deployments, but the bare facts are a LOT of people can't. Here's a link to the programs. Here's a link to the NPR Ombudsman, kind of an offical guy to complain to. Hope that helps!
freckleface7
phobia-
I won't complain to NPR, bc they are far from the only critics of the war/damages from it.
if I complained to them I'd have to xerox 10,000 additional copies for the million more places & ways the military often gets slandered by those who , unless they are in it themselves, Don't Know. I'm sure NPR reported some fact, just not the whole of it, or at least not in a fair way- you know?
while I appreciate that people now care about the plight of our marital relationships (strong families really do help sustain strong soldiers), where was everyone before now?
before the war?
in the years of peace when our soldiers were quietly still doing much of the same in training and being gone and seperated from their families.. the navy & marine's on their 9 month floats, the 1 year hardship tours to korea & sinai for the army.. and why? to help prepare for situations much like we are expereincing here & now. but I don't see npr or anyone else having a problem with That.

ugh.
again, I'm sorry. and I don't not mean this in Any way as an attack on you whatsoever this just frustrates me on a very deep level.

culturehandy
Found It!
pollystyrene
I think that is the article, CH, but I saw it in Adbusters. I wonder who reprinted it from who. I'll have to find the magazine.
girltrouble
freckle, i get why you'd feel like people weren't concerned before, and i think you'd be right. all the same, i think the point is that for all republicans "support the troops" rah-de-rah, they view soldiers as disposable, the stories of walter reed are a case in point, and the republicans did very little on the issue even after it was reported. it was only after dems put pressure on them that things started to happen.

or more recently this:
soldiers denied college benefit
in case you don't feel like clicking, it's about the soldiers who have been deployed longest in iraq (minn. nat'l guard), were intentionally deployed ONE DAY SHORT of the number required for them to recieve college benefits ($500-800 per month)from the govt.

like you, i have issues with npr, but to my mind, they are too pro war, if anything they have been complict, and given the option, they tend to gloss over events in iraq (as well as this admin's crimes, often taking gov't mouthpieces at their word and not fact checking). even where blackwater was concerned, they reported there were only 11 deaths in that last incedent, when other places were saying closer to 20. and now, weeks later they've decided on 17.





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out of curiousity, has anyone been following the press (what little there is) on naomi wolf's new book, the end of america?
she gave a kick ass interview on local public radio if you wanna check it out it's here:
naomi wolf on weekday
(only good on 10/11). after 10/11 go here:
naomi wolf after 10/11
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