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lananans
I'm behind too femikneesm!

I went away to Scotland on vacation in May and fell behind on season 4, so I'm just catching up now. I didn't watch it for a while and wasn't really caring about catching up but my boyfriend was just like IT'S SO GOOD YOU HAVE TO! So now I am. And its good.

What did you think of the end of season three?
femikneesm
lananans I am now two episodes in to Season Four. I must admit the whole religion thing is giving me the shits, but it's so damn good to have new Battlestar that I can cope. I was however very pleased that the Admiral let Starbuck go to see if she could find Earth (I hope you've seen Episode Two.....) I was getting irked with Her Awesomeness, the President - Starbuck was always faithful to her visions and yet she wouldn't return the favour...What are your thoughts so far?
LunarraStar
I knew this would be Battlestar by the title. It is my FAVOURITE show ever. smile.gif

The last episode ..was sad but i wont say anymore for those that havent seen it.

I can't wait till next season.
girltrouble
hey lunarra, be sure to go to the newbie thread and introduce yourself! welcome to the lounge
girltrouble
*inhales sharply as she wakes up in the resurrection ship*
lunia666

I would love to hear everybody's thoughts on Starbuck smile.gif
thirtiesgirl
I've just started watching Season 1 on dvd (thanx Netflix!), so I'm going to try hard to stay away from this thread. I have seen a few episodes of the show from Season 3, but was so confused without the backstory that I thought it was finally time for me to catch up with the show. I was hopelessly devoted to the 1970s show and had a major crush on Starbuck, but tv writing and acting has improved immeasurably since the '70s, so I love the complexity of the new version. I'm looking forward to catching up with it.
sybarite
Lunia, one theory puts her as a clone (or cylon... but now we know the fifth I guess that's out) implanted with memories on Caprica: remember when she flashed back to wheh she was hooked up to all those machines? Has that been explained yet?

I think they'll go for a more spiritual explanation of Starbuck myself, a la 'arrow of Apollo' etc etc. Her lighting the pyre was such a haunting image/scene; I don't think I breathed out at all during it.

I found last week's epi so dark and apocalyptic, and really bringing back all the anti-cylon paranoia of Season 1.
lunia666
Boyfriend is going with the clone theory as well but am with you Sybarite hoping it's something more spiritual. I was sad to see them leave earth so soon ( I understand why they left and of course they could go back). I felt there was more for them to learn from earth more digging to me done. I also thought that if the finale 4/5 stayed longer maybe more memories might come back to them. No matter how it ends I will sad to see it go sad.gif

I heard rumors but I guess Sci Fi green-lit a new BSG show no clue what it will be about. Anybody have any info on it ?
girltrouble
from what i hear the bsg spin off takes place on caprica before the war.
lunia666
I just sat down and watched Fridays BSG ohmy.gif I don't know what to say I loved it and hated it at the same time sad.gif



RIP Tya unsure.gif
sybarite
This half of season 4 is seriously bleak, but I like that it is really coming full circle. I've been watching old epis from season 2 and am struck by the consistency and continuity. It feels now that we've only had access to the leadership's and other elites' point of view and now we're seeing a more general reaction to the alliance with the cylons.

At the same time everyone's gotten seriously bitter, altho the current insurrection seems to be mobilsing people (e.g. the president) again...
sybarite
Me again.

I've been (re-) watching season 2 and in epsiode 3 Roslyn is out of her mind coming off of the prophecy inducing drugs... Ellen Tigh comes to visit her, and when she leaves Roslayn gasps her name as if shocked. It's like she knew. blink.gif

So cool watching old epis when you know who the cylons are...
girltrouble
i keep being impressed w/bsg-- i love galactica (and hera) as it's metaphor for race mixing....and i love that the 5 are just as much of a mess as the humans.

...so fracking good.


lunia666
Am loving this season just SO sad to see it end sad.gif
Has anybody heard about the movie ??
sybarite
Okay--just watched episode 17 and my main question is: who wrote the song Kara played? If her father wrote it, why does Hera know it?

I am officially (even more)obsessed.
girltrouble
that's the mystery...i'm obsessed too... hera is some sort of golden child, being half human... i wanna know what the deal is w/ kara + her dad too.

pardon me for being geeky, but i wonder if the five, hera, rosiline, baltar, kara, and her dad are somehow the lords of kobol

don't know what it is, but i love the title, hera has six mommies
sybarite
Theories I've read (mostly tv without pity forums) suggest Kara is a cylon/human hybrid, like Hera, with the damaged cylon 7, daniel, as her dad. That would explain her connection with Hera but not why she kept painting the supernova/eye of jupiter, which suggests something stretching much further back.

I dunno know about the lords of kobol: Roslin and Baltar in particular seem too worldly, despite their visions. To me it's more like they each have some sort of link or access to the visions etc. I do think some version of Kara was around back on Kobol though...

At this point I can't see how anyone following the series this far could not be obsessed, but maybe that's just me..
lunia666
Sybarite: Boyfriend and I were discussing this during Fridays show. I agree but it doesn't explain how she came back or where the new ship came from. I really enjoyed Fridays show it was very touching at the end with Kara and her father playing the piano together.
roseviolet
I can finally post in this thread Hooray!

Until one month ago, I had never seen an episode of BSG. At my husband's birthday party, we mentioned this to a friend of ours who owns every episode on DVD. He lent the discs to us & we watched them pretty as quickly as wel could. Because of poor timing, we have not seen the first 2 episodes of this current season, but we caught the others on Hulu & our cable system's Sci Fi on-demand channel.

Since I've been forced to digest so much so fast, I'm not even quite sure what to say. I still feel really fuzzy on how the Cylons came to exist in their current form. Who developed the process of resurection? And how? Are Cylons really just clones of human beings? As for the Final 5, how long did they live on Caprica? Why are their memories so limited? How were they able to age at the same rate as humans during their years on Caprica? I know these points haven't really been addressed on the show, but I wonder why. Will all of the answers be revealed to us before the show ends?

The recent events with Kara have been especially mind blowing. It's so awful to see her struggling, questioning what she is, whether she's dead or not, Cylon or Human or otherwise. On top of that she has to watch her husband lying in that poor of goo, plugged into machines & talking gibberish.

Did you all see the article on i09 about the feminist nature of BSG? It's pretty interesting.
girltrouble
i believe the cylons developed the process of resurrection because they couldn't reproduce (which is why hera is so important) how? beats me, they just did.

are cylons just human clones? no, actually. in the first few episodes they show baltazar having sex with 6, her spine glows red. unless you can do that...(which might be kinda cool)

how long were the final 5 on caprica? you mean before the war? i would suppose about a life time. why are their memories so limited? because they weren't supposed to know whey were cylons. you have to understand they were supposed to go "undercover" with humans. people did not know that cylons looked like humans until after the war. until then they were just the big silver looking dudes.

i don't know if you've seen all of the series, it sounds like you might have missed the miniseries that was before the series itself, which answered some of the questions. it's part of the plan eluded to in the opening credits.

how are they able to age? well assuming that their flesh is similar to ours, gravity would do the trick. failing that, programming?

you can also look up all those nagging questions on the BSG wiki, or failing that, wikipedia has a pretty extensive list of posts on both the new and old BSG. (actually, i like wikipedia better)

thanks for the article, rosey. i think the most interesting point is not one by the post's author, but by one of the commentors, who talks about the lack of black people as strong characters, reminding us that boomer and tigh were both black in the mini series. i think that is a more important question and i wonder if that will change in the spin off...
sybarite
It was only revealed a few epis back that the 13th tribe cylons living on Earth originally had resurrection technology, but then began reproducing so stopped using it--and eventually forgot how to use it. When the final five heard about Earth's impending destruction, Ellen re-learned the resurrection tech ensuring the final five would be 'born again.'

They mentioned in the same epi that the the final five were fed back into Caprica by Cavil (w/out their memories, which he also erased) starting with Saul and Ellen 40 years ago, for the reasons GT states. Dunno why they age, but the final five are more 'human' (e.g Saul and Ellen's drinking and combativeness) than the other, wholly engineered numbered cylons (although all cylons, that is the 13th Tribe, must have been engineered, way back in the way... /mind-boggle)

Good points about the original Tigh and Boomer--also, Starbuck was a dude originally too (which backs up the Cylon Daniel=Kara theory. although I'm not buying that anymore...)

I loved loved loved the moment when Kara starts playing 'All Along the Watchtower' on the piano with her angel-dad the week before last. Chills!
sybarite
That'll be me, back again...

Anyone want to offer predictions for the final episode?

Mine include: Gaius will perform the single unselfish act of his life thus entering the annals of history as predicted by the invisible Six, and possibly die in the process.

Boomer and Chief Tyrrell will finally finally get it together (hopefully to the strains of Lamb's 'Gorecki', but I'm not holding my breath...). Boomer will somehow save Hera at the last minute.

Athena, meanwhile, will finally embrace her dark side.

Sam wakes up and makes sense to the rest of us. Or not...
roseviolet
Thanks for the info, ladies. By the by, I didn't mean to imply that I thought the Cylons were direct clones of humans, but that their very design was based on humans - with a bit of human flesh/DNA/what-have-you helping them along the way. Seeing as Cylons and humans can create children together, there has to be something in their biological make-up that makes this possible. Of course, then they found Earth and now I'm really not sure WHO came first.

Anyway!

Sybarite, I'm doing my best to not make any predictions at all, lest the show not live up to them. I think you're on to something, though. Especially the bit about Gaius.
girltrouble
they've been explaining that in the last few seasons by the five, they designed the cylons based on humans, and humans can't have children with cylons, hera was an anomaly. that's why they want to dissect her.

i really don't know what to expect. i'm wondering if all the stuff the prophecy about kara thrace, if she really is going to lead them to death.

i suspect that the rescue mission will result in galactica and the people in her getting killed with the cylons holding hera with an afterwards that says that without them the renegade cylons and humans made peace and eventually found out how to have mixed children...

which means there can be a sequel if they choose someday. with the prequel series, i think they have other stories to tell, and i suspect (and hope) they'll come back to this time frame.

i'm super excited tho. can't wait! i might get some wine and watch all the eps they are showing friday
sybarite
In advance of tonight's finale (in the US, I won't see it until at least saturday night), and hogging this thread yet again, I am hoping to have the following questions answered...

Who or what is Starbuck?

Please to explain the opera house visions and the significance of Hera. And the song.

Who or what is Chip Six/Caprcia in Gaius' head? Is she one of the 'angels' mentioned by Sam and others?

Who created the 13th tribe cylons who left Kobol for Earth thousands of years ago?

And who built the temple w/ jupiter's eye?

Is the radioactive Earth 'our' Earth (as indicated at the end of Season 3, which showed earth with the Florida peninsula)?

And finally, why has 'all this happened before' and why will 'it all happen again'?

I think I'm more about the exposition than the action at this point. I think the singularity, i.e. black hole, might answer the last one...
roseviolet
Sybarite, I'd love it if they could answer all of those questions. If they leave things too open-ended, I think people may be angered because it'll look too much like sloppy writing. I don't expect EVERYthing to make sense, though. There will always be unanswered mysteries in life, so I expect some with this show, too.

As I type this, my TV is already tuned into the marathon. Wee!
girltrouble
i think they have to answer most of the questions, since the promos have been saying that they will answer all questions.

i think some of your questions were answered already: unless i misunderstood something (and if i have please correct me),

the final five built the "organic" cylons, modeling the final 5 on themselves as a kind of eternal life. the 13th tribes (do you mean the 12 colonies?) were humans, chased by cylons. i would suppose that the people who built the temple were cylons AND humans, remember in the civil war(s) they were fleeing from planet to planet; and i don't think the dreams/premonitions/prophesies about the the opera house and hera are just that (the discovery of cloaked figures, chasing a new generation in a (soap)opera house, etc), after all they have that whole religious framework that lead them to that planet, and i would think that we kind of have to see their earth is our earth, after all, it fit with all of their myths, and prophesies. speaking of which: linky!

i do want to know what the song is about since it's not just the cylons who have some sense of that song, namely kara, and her dad (if that's not a planted memory).

i'm just hoping they don't pull a "St. Elsewhere" and have it all be a delusion of president roslin...
roseviolet
The ads have said that we will learn the truth. But how much of the truth? Can they possibly tie up all of those loose ends in only 2 hours? Will certain things be left hanging in a way that they can be addressed in the new series? It will be fun to find out!

The only series that was ever able to pull of the It Was All A Dream ending was Newhart. That was a fucking brilliant way to end that show. But if they try to do that to BSG, there will be virtual riots all over the internet. Crockery will certainly be thrown in protest.
sybarite
In the first new season 4(second half) episode Gaius and others did studies (meaning Gaius couldn't tamper with them)following the discovery of Earth on the remains on radioactive Earth that showed the that all the bones found were cylon... so I still want to know: who made them.

We don't get the previews you get in the US, hopefully we get all the answers!
girltrouble
i should also let you know this isn't exactly the end. thanks to your questions i did some poking around, and discovered the plan, a two hour BSG movie that will air in the fall...
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The movie begins just after The Destruction of the Twelve Colonies, with two Cylon agents discussing the problem of the remaining humans, both on the planets, and those who have escaped into space. The movie shows the initial storyline of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica from the Cylon point of view. Edward James Olmos states: "When [Battlestar fans] see The Plan, they're all going to have to go back and watch the entire series again."


ETA: i'm scared.... in an interview with the guy who plays tigh, he says;
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I can't say too much, but I can say it ends. [...] I've said to Ron [Moore] a few times over the shooting, "You said at the beginning of the show there's going to be a beginning, a middle and an end. Are you going to stick to that?" And he's replied, "Yeah, we definitely intend that it finishes."


and it's not so much the previews, syb, but the tag line, which is "you will know the truth...."


and newhart was brilliant, but because it was a great little joke for anyone who saw the bob newhart show, besides, how can you not love suzanne pleshette?
roseviolet
GT, sometimes I really miss Larry, his brother Darryl, and his other brother Darryl.
But I'm getting WAY off topic!

I think anyone who hasn't seen the finale should know better than to enter this thread right now, so I'm not going to use spoiler bars.

All in all, I was content with the ending. It didn't answer all of our questions, but I didn't expect it to. There were a few things that bothered me, though. For instance, when Chief started to choke Tory, why didn't anyone intervene? Why didn't anyone break them up and force them to continue with the download? And why did Cavil (Dean Stockwell) commit suicide in the midst of the confusion? That last point felt especially out of character. I mean, his whole goal was the survival of his race - a race with few members left - but then he offs himself? Does anyone have a theory on that?

Sheff was annoyed and disappointed. They never addressed everything that occurred on old, nuked Earth - especially the stuff with Kara. I have chosen to accept that she was some sort of angel/spirit-guide-thing (Leoben called her an angel in the past, remember?) who was sent to take them to their new home. God or whatever worked through her. And once her mission was done, she melted away. It doesn't make a lot of logical sense, but I don't think it's supposed to.

I'm rather surprised that they decided to spread out the population all over the globe as quickly as they did. I hope they educated themselves on survival techniques - hunting, gathering, farming, medicine, basic construction - during those years of floating about in space.

Hooray for the movie! It'll be cool to see things from the Cylon perspective. I'm really looking forward to Caprica now, too. Eric-fuckin-Stoltz, babies! Woot!
girltrouble
i thought it was ok, a bit disappointing. what bugged me was that it was so corny at times. "today is the first day of the rest of your life.." really? really? the script actually said that? um, ick. and i hated the afterwords, the whole thing with 6 and gaius in our time giving us the message, incase we hadn't gotten it yet... keeeerist....

the whole what happened to old earth i thought was adressed when adama and laura were talking, how that was the real or first earth, but "earth is a dream, this is earth..." thing, which i'm fine with. plus, you have to assume with the story's this has all happened before, and will again, you have to assume that's where the whole cylon war first started, they fled to caprica, found earth, left and found our earth. but i didn't like the kara thrace disappearing thing at all. after all the 6 and gaius "angels" never manifested physically, so it just makes a huge gaping hole in the angel theory. it's sloppy. that said to me, oops. painted ourselves into a corner, didn't we? please don't look behind that curtain....

as for the tory thing, that didn't bug me, i figured they were still transferring data, and were preoccupied. but i agree with you about the cavil thing. he would have kept going, figuring the cylons would start to attack when the info was cut off... that part i thought was well done. i was thinking ok, peace, but when he saw calie killed, i was like....oh SHIT! and the war was on, which i thought more realistic. i just thought they should have left well enough alone. they found our earth, and were our ancestors....but as it stood we are all part cylon i guess.... hmmm...
lunia666
I agree Rose:
Cavil's suicide didn't seem to fit. It felt like they just reached a point and and killed him off to move on with the story. The entire last hour felt off to me. As far as the Caprica preview I was a a little put of by it I thought the how would be something complete different.
roseviolet
Lunia, Sheff voiced the same problem with the last hour. He could have easily done without the last 45 minutes.

By the by, just because I think I understand why they did what they did with Starbuck, I still think it was crap. I agree, GT, that they wrote themselves into a corner & didn't know how to get out. Unfortunately, I feel like I saw that coming. My expectations were low so that's probably why I wasn't too disappointed.
sybarite
It was so hard not looking in this thread for the last 2 days.... just saw the finale tonight.

Wow. I agree with Sheff, RV, I feel disappointed with the last 45 mins or so. Before that, however, I was riveted. Liked the battle getting into the Colony, loved the showdown between Boomer and Athena, loved the Opera House manifestation/reinterpretation and got chills when Starbuck punched in the coordinates accompanied by All Along the Watchtower. I quite liked the moment the Chief figured out Tory killed Callie as well. Okay, now I do feel like a geek, but truly the episode had me at that point.

Which makes the longwinded character wrap up on Earth so disappointing. I mean, I liked the characters and wanted some closure, but that was excessive. I think it boils down to the fact that I was increasingly more into the plot, the previous earth backstory and the whole mystery around Starbuck in particular. I agree with RV that I understand why she disappeared but it still felt like WTF. And the poor Chief!

Agree too that Cavil's suicide was too random.

I'll probably be back once I check out The Plan, Caprica etc on the interwebz...


ETA: Oh, also? I was sure I recognised the melody playing over the Caprica flashback intros...maybe part of the score from Alien? I thought I recognised it from some sci-fi film I've seen anyway... okay, now entering uncharted depths of nerditude.
roseviolet
Last night while I was cooking, I had a revelation: Starbuck wasn't an angel. She was Jesus!
Okay, not exactly Jesus, but she got the Jesus treatment. She was an actual woman - a woman with a destiny and a mission. Part of her destiny meant that she would die on old Earth, but after she crashed there, the Powers That Be chose to resurrect her in a new body (since the old one was burned up) and send her back in order to fulfill her mission. Once she was done, she disappeared. Just like Jesus! That's why everyone could see her. It all makes sense!

I guess in this case, Lee is Mary Magdalene.
stargazer
laugh.gif oh rose.

once again, i should reiterate that i don't jones like some of you about science fiction, but i've got into this show second hand. is it like second hand smoke that sci fi shows are infectious? blink.gif i thought the last 45 minutes of the show was lame and trite. such a redundant commentary about earth, humans, the repetitiveness of destructive behavior, and how we are better living a simple life. they should've just left the show to 1 hour and left some kind of cliffhanger for the movie.

btw, BSG the plan sounds cool.

rose, mama thought starbuck was an angel. i would say starbuck was an angel more than jesus.
girltrouble
acutally rose that fits-- atleast for this season. remember gaius talking about eternal life when revealing her secret... it fits, particularlly with all the religious metaphorin' going on on that show. somehow tho, it still just seems sloppy to me. the ultimate jesus allegory, for me, is cool hand luke, but with the protagonist, there isn't the death, but there are the miracles, and there is the suffering. it seems like, if that was the theory BSG was working with, that it wasn't fleshed out enough. but it's easily the best explanation i've heard, rose, by a mile.

one thing that always bugs me with films is the "11th hour solution" the slap-dash sort of wrapping things up for the sake of putting the card that says "the end" on the screen. in hindsight it doesn't solve or resolve anything, it just leaves a bad taste in the viewer's mouth. i know it's tv and there are probably a dozen writers on the thing, but if we invest our attention and our time, the least they could do was be consistent. i'm with star: if that means that they get it right and leave loose ends, then by all means leave them loose. i'd rather have that than something cheap or forced.....and this was both.
lananans
QUOTE(roseviolet @ Mar 23 2009, 09:52 AM) *
Last night while I was cooking, I had a revelation: Starbuck wasn't an angel. She was Jesus!
Part of her destiny meant that she would die on old Earth, but after she crashed there, the Powers That Be chose to resurrect her in a new body (since the old one was burned up) and send her back in order to fulfill her mission. Once she was done, she disappeared. Just like Jesus! That's why everyone could see her. It all makes sense!


I was saying something along the same lines - but my boyfriend is all like - was her ship and angel/jesus too???? He refuses to believe that she could be an angel or sent from god because she flew back in an actual ship. He just refuses to suspend his disbelief even a little - which gets very annoying!

I thought that it was a good final episode. I have hated Baltar all through the series, until the finale, where he decided to stay behind and fight. Took long enough, but finally I liked him. Also, I have despised Helo throughout the whole series - he's just such a tool, I was shocked/kind of disappointed when he didn't die - not gonna lie.

Overall I think they tied it together pretty well. Although there seems to be controversy over the whole Starbuck issue. Some people on my bf's forums are saying maybe she was a "Head Character" like Caprica Six, but for everyone involved... I dunno.

lananans
Great article stargazer - I think it sums up how I felt about the episode quite well. I like how he says that there's no rational response for Starbucks' disappearance - it's true - you just have to draw your own conclusions on that one I suppose.
girltrouble
i found the comments interesting too...
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I agree that BSG was about the characters, and when it focused on them it did really well. But the plotting could be dreadful at times. Dropped ideas, wandering focus, lack of direction, these are the biggest problems I've had with the show over the years.

that's about how i felt.

and this bugs the fuck out of me:
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Do the answers really matter? It's an imaginary story. It's a magician's trick. It's not about the Macguffin, it's about moving the pieces and getting a good game going. It can't last forever. In the end, it may fall apart like a house of cards. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good game while it lasted.

absolutely the answers matter. it goes to the quality of the show. think about it like a radio-- does it count if it just looks like a radio? does it count just cos it's got the nobs and the light that lights up when you push the power button? or does it matter if you can actually get reception and hear radio stations? the thing about the best art, the best film is that the story is given form has a meaning, and is not some hack throwing things in just cos he felt like it. that there is some reason behind it. don't get me wrong, i love ambiguity in a story, something to debate, and take apart. that's the fun of it, that you've found a gem that can stand up to multiple meanings, and there is a there there... but if the beams won't hold up the ceiling... why walk in the house? why waste our time? all i ask for is consistancy. that if you make a decision, there be a reason for it, that it not just be sloppy, and you've put some thought into it. that my investment in time, that my passion is respected.

that thought, that care to put the "goods" in the story is what separates the wheat from the chaffe, the stories that will stand the test of time and the stories that will fade after all the hoopla is gone.
sybarite
I think that was my problem with the finale GT... I expected the same complexity or ambiguity in the answers provided at the end as we saw in the series as a whole. Which in retrospect was unrealistic: you can only do so much in 2 hours, especially with the expectations of thousands of fanatical fans weighing on the result...

The coda set in our present was nicely ambiguous, but the Caprica and Gaius 'angels' had lost any semblance of personality and were just being smug and omniscient IMO.

On Starbuck=Jesus, my mister came up with the same theory (how appropriate for Easter!) I can't see it though; Starbuck, even Starbuck reborn, was pretty visceral. I think she was guided/resurrected by larger forces to input those coordinates by a greater force, but once it was done so was she.

Typing that last I'm realising what my niggling problem with the finale is; it's impossible to descibe mch of what happened without reverting to spiritual language. I was all into the mysticism during the show but the way it got all pastoral and somehow over-simplified left me disappointed. Still liked the first hour though.

I'm hoping The Plan tells us what happened after they operated on Starbuck on Caprica way back in season 2...
roseviolet
Just so you know, I'm not saying that Starbuck IS Jesus. It was just my way of saying that she'd been resurrected - like Jesus or Lazarus. With all of the religious themes that run trough this show, it didn't feel far fetched to me. I don't think Starbuck herself is any more holy than anyone else, though. She simply had an important role to play - like so many others. She was destined to figure out the coordinates from the song. She was brought back in order to do that. Does it seem kinda silly that the Powers That Be would create a whole new ship for her to fly? I suppose, but it's not any more silly than creating a new body.

GT, I've noticed inconsistencies throughout the whole run of the series. I suppose that's why I didn't mind so much when that continued in the finale. For example. at one point when Rosalin's cancer was getting particularly bad, they injected her with the blood of a Cylon hybrid fetus (Hera). Her cancer went away. So when the cancer came back, why didn't they treat her with Hera's blood again? Why didn't they at least try it? I don't remember it even being mentioned as a possibility.
girltrouble
i don't think there's anything wrong with calling her a jesus figure as far as the show goes, it's the most plausible explination, IMHO, but the problem is, that when you go back and use that as a template, to see if it rings true, there are problems with it, problems that could have been easily remedied, but weren't. the annoying thing is, it's still the best theory going, and with that it makes the rest of it look really sloppy. i was using cool hand luke as the model, because it uses the christ figure in a way that is concealed, and you can ignore it, but if you want to make a case for it, there is ample evidence that was the author's intent. that's the way it should be done. but this sort of thrown together, half baked, half thought out sort of thing, just bugs me. lol.... but i'm like that, you've seen my rants about inconsistent narrators in film, and the right and wrong way to do it. this is what i live for. if i didn't get my panties in a knot about this, well, i might as well give up the ghost...heh.

and i noticed those problems too, rose, and there were filler episodes in the 2nd and 3rd seasons, but they never seemed as glaring as when they try to use them to wrap the show up. i don't mind the deus ex machina swinging in and fixing things, but when you can see all of the rigging, and it's just naked carelessness, then it's like you aren't respecting your audience, and it was such a great show in so many ways, for it to go out like that.... it just marred everything else, you know?
lananans
QUOTE(roseviolet @ Mar 24 2009, 06:20 PM) *
GT, I've noticed inconsistencies throughout the whole run of the series. I suppose that's why I didn't mind so much when that continued in the finale. For example. at one point when Rosalin's cancer was getting particularly bad, they injected her with the blood of a Cylon hybrid fetus (Hera). Her cancer went away. So when the cancer came back, why didn't they treat her with Hera's blood again? Why didn't they at least try it? I don't remember it even being mentioned as a possibility.


More than any of that Jesus/Resurrection business, this bugged me. Is there any explanation? Was it only a one time thing that they could do? If not, why didn't they do it again?! She could have lived happily ever after with Bill Adama sad.gif
roseviolet
QUOTE(girltrouble @ Mar 24 2009, 08:04 PM) *
and i noticed those problems too, rose, and there were filler episodes in the 2nd and 3rd seasons, but they never seemed as glaring as when they try to use them to wrap the show up. i don't mind the deus ex machina swinging in and fixing things, but when you can see all of the rigging, and it's just naked carelessness, then it's like you aren't respecting your audience, and it was such a great show in so many ways, for it to go out like that.... it just marred everything else, you know?


Most of us can forgive an occasional filler episode, but there's only so much you should have to tolerate.

I think I'm more forgiving because I just started watching this show last month. I finished the box sets & started watching the show in real time just a few weeks ago, so I have not been dedicated to this show for years and years like so many fans. People who've dedicated that much time and energy to it - who've had to wait through the writer's strike & the long lull between seasons - have more right to expect more from the show than I do.
kittenb
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I'm rather surprised that they decided to spread out the population all over the globe as quickly as they did. I hope they educated themselves on survival techniques - hunting, gathering, farming, medicine, basic construction - during those years of floating about in space.


Yeah, that was my biggest problem with the ending. It felt like a slow suicide for the human race. Or like something from a Douglas Adams novel. But what do I know? Maybe they just studied the natives and copied what they did.

I had heard that the finale ended with a big "....?..." and I was not dissapointed that it was true. Many thanks to Hulu and the Sci-Fi Channel website for keeping the episodes up so long, BTW. I really appreciate that.
I don't have a ton to say about the way the show ended that hasn't already been said. It kind of felt like a big glorious mess of action and religious imagery. I didn't get a lot of it and I don't like the idea of Head Caprica and Head Baltar being some kind of immortal and judgemental angels. That being said, I am going to miss this show! I will miss Roslin and her airlock and Starbuck and Katee Sachoff's burning intensity. Seriously, everytime I doubted an actor's talent on that show, I had to judge how well they could perform next to Sachoff. She burned through some of the lesser actors. I will also miss Gaeta and Ellen who gave some great performances through the whole show.

On a less high-quality note, I will also miss Helo and his m'fing abs for days!, Lee's big fluffy hairdo, the way that every peice of paper was cut into that shape that I can't remember the name of, and the thrill of fear that the Centurions always gave me. blink.gif laugh.gif


roseviolet
QUOTE(kittenb @ Mar 30 2009, 08:51 AM) *
On a less high-quality note, I will also miss Helo and his m'fing abs for days!, Lee's big fluffy hairdo, the way that every peice of paper was cut into that shape that I can't remember the name of, and the thrill of fear that the Centurions always gave me. blink.gif laugh.gif


Yes, the pseudo-octogonal paper! And picture frames! And even books! I never quite understood that. Is that a holdover from the original series? Lee's puffy hair cracked me up ("I am a politician now, therefore I must develop Kennedy Hair."), but nothing messed with my brain more than when I watched the Last Frackin' Special and found out that he has an English accent in real life. blink.gif I never would have guessed that! As for Helo's abs, don't fret! You can see them occasionally on Dollhouse.
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