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roseviolet
I agree with Zoya. Feminists definitely don't hate men. Angie_21, stick around The Lounge a little longer. You'll find a TON of man-lovin' feminists 'round here.
lisapisa
I am a feminist and have always been one, but I watch The Young & the Restless (actually I TiVo it) religiously. I used to work in this law office where everyone watched it at lunch and it became a bad habit/guilty pleasure. Most of the women on the show (though happily not all) are textbook cases of internalized sexism, but I can't not watch now. It is my sad little escape! There, I feel better for having confessed.
auralpoison
Cripes. I knew I was a spoiled little wench growing up, but sheesh. At the mention of Peaches N' Cream Barbie, I had to do a little digging. I'll be damned if I didn't have almost every weird Barbie there was. Loving You, Angel Face (Who wore a dope ass Victorian dress & had Debbie Harry brown/blonde hair!) & my favorite, by far & away, Crystal Barbie! She wore sparkly clear heels!

But when I think back to playing with them, it was in a decidedly feminist way. Barbie was always a record executive (Skipper was a teen rockstar & Barbie adopted her out of wedlock baby.) or lawyer or archeologist/museum curator (I blame Indiana Jones for that one.) or painter or had some other kind of cool career. The poofy dresses were for parties, openings, concerts, museum galas. She never married Ken, they dated & she frequently switched Kens like her outfits. Barbie was also a champion equestrian, enjoyed bungee jumping & hot air ballons, & eschewed the pink Corvette for a pink dunebuggy. The Dream House was big enough that she let her friends live there, especially the muscle Ken doll that got kicked out of his house for being gay. (He kept rearranging the furniture! HAH!) Barbie was a decidedly feminist doll for me even if her proportions were unrealistic. I just wonder why nobody ever bought me a black one . . .
pollystyrene
Oh, Peaches n' Cream Barbie was the best! I don't remember my specific storylines for her, but that was a great dress.

I found the commercial for it on YouTube and one of the related ones was "Dream Glow Barbie", where her dress glowed in the dark. I had that one, too.
auralpoison
I had that Dream Glow, too! And I had one with uber long hair that came with this plastic thing that called itself making braids, when it really made lame-ass twists. And somewhere, lurking in my basement are Western Barbie & Ken (His hair is black!) in matching white/black/silver sparkly duds. And the really weird thing is that one of her eyes "winked" when you pressed a button in her back. She looked deranged. Creepiest barbie I ever owned, I think.
candycane_girl
I hate to admit it, but those barbie outfits in the fashion show were actually pretty cool.

Unlike AP, I was not the least bit feminist when it came to playing with my barbies. They were always getting dressed up to go out to parties. And then when I got the dreamhouse I would have Barbie taking muffins out of the oven just in time for Ken to come home in the convertible. Lawd.
LoveMyPugs
See I remember really liking Barbies but whenever I'd ask my mom for a new one be it Christmas or birthday she'd tell me that I had a bunch but never played with them. I remember having a Barbie pool that was out in my sandbox that I played with every summer until it dryrotted. I remember floating them in the the real pool in their bathing suits but my dad would always yell at me that their pointy feet would tear a hole in the pool liner. My mom has a box of really, old, old barbies. They had exchangable wigs and stuff like that. She won't even let me touch them. She thinks they are worth millions and are going to be her retirement someday. Would any of you buy your daughters Barbies today? I'd be really picky about it. Those Brats dolls are completely out. Anything that sexualizes them is just out. I mean I remember Barbies being pretty, dressing up, growing up. I never looked at them like, "That's what I want to look like when I get older." Does that make sense? I think I confused myself. Oh well.

Like Super Woman Barbie. Fuck Yeah I'd Buy That Shit For My Daughter!!

See now I'm all fired up about this. I just looked on Toys R Us's site and they've got some cool Barbies

EX:

Barbie I Can Be Space Camp Teresa
Barbie I Can Be Soccer Star
Barbie I Can Be Sea World Trainer

What's wrong with being a Kick Ass Soccer Star or a Rock on Sea World Trainer? Fucking right. Yes, I'd buy these for my kid.
period_monster
I have to admit to serious Barbie love. Barbie was one of my favorite toys as a kid, and now, I often receive the Barbie Hallmark ornaments from others. Someday, I really, really want to have a separate Barbie Christmas tree in addition to the regular.

Peaches & Cream Barbie was SO pretty. Although I also loved the valentine's day/sweetheart Barbie, with the red heart shaped top and the sleeves and skirt of white with red hearts. Now I wish I could just spend my days playing with my Barbies. They always got a ton of action.
culturehandy
I still have my barbies, I destinctly remember Roller Blade Barbie.

Pugs, my mom also has her barbie stuff in a box too!!! She has told me when she dies that I can't get rid of it. Seriously.
llamas
I definitely had the lame twist/braid/whatever Barbie, and the Barbie pool! But, and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this on here before, my Ken left Barbie for Jem because she was a rockstah, so Barbie became a lesbian. With Midge and the mom from the Heart Family.
crazyoldcatlady
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l! But, and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this on here before, my Ken left Barbie for Jem because she was a rockstah, so Barbie became a lesbian. With Midge and the mom from the Heart Family.


priceless! jem was awesome too, but i was sad that babs couldn't fit in her clothes, 'cos they were pretty damn cool. the dad in the heart family probably conditioned me at a young age to fall for dark haired douche bags.

my barbies had the most broke ass pool: my mom's pots and pans.

can i get some love for the she-ra action figures too? she rode. a. goddamn. pegasus. you can't get anymore hardcore than that. and the she-ra comics that came with the figures? made me fall in love with frosta.

eta: i've been reminiscing hardcore about she-ra lately, and have been reading up about her and her comrades in wikipedia. can i just say that there is so much that flew over my head as a kid? they were fighting as rebels? all i remember is some rad fuckin' ass kicking and looking for that stupid creature or whatever that they hid in the episodes (or was that he-man?)

how cool would it be to make a modernized, adult-alized version of she-ra? and we're not talking some lame-ass live action movie. i don't want dolf lungrend anywhere near this.
stargazer
omg. i loved he-man AND she-ra. such a great cartoon. the character you are thinking of cocl is Loo-Kee.

um, my barbies and ken were always naked. blink.gif
auralpoison
QUOTE(crazyoldcatlady @ Feb 17 2009, 05:09 PM) *
how cool would it be to make a modernized, adult-alized version of she-ra? and we're not talking some lame-ass live action movie. i don't want dolf lungrend anywhere near this.


Transgression: Dolph Lundgren may be a shit actor, but I admit to having a hardcore mini-crush to this day because he has a masters in chemical engineering & was a Fullbright scholar to MIT. Science is teh hawt.
girltrouble
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Dolph Lundgren...has a masters in chemical engineering & was a Fullbright scholar to MIT.

aural (your sassy debbilness)---that just broke muh brainsis awl to hail.

i blame barbie for my being a tranny (ok, lipgloss too). even with her hairplugs and half her hair a melted blackened mass, one knee hyperextended, pinholes for nipples, and a flattened, removable head, she was waaaay cuter than g.i. joe and han solo put together. plus she had incorrect genitals and was soooo much taller than the boys....and hey, i could relate.


transgression: my ridiculous *short curves. *
i love 'em! i hate 'em! i love 'em! i hate 'em!
i feel like faye dunaway in chinatown.
treehugger
Wow, those nails would make it hard to type.

My barbies were nymphomaniacs. Seriously, they were always having sex, and in many many different positions. Eeek. I can't believe I didn't freak my mother out.

"Tree, WHERE did you learn THAT??? You are SEVEN years old!!!!"
rainface
I was never allowed to have Barbies as a child...I blame my mother unsure.gif . For that matter, we didn't have tv either, so a lot of stuff passed me right by. Not my little ponies though, I still have mine lovingly packed away.
My feminist transgression is that I love Grey's Anatomy. Love it. I'm obsessed with it. I can tell myself that sometimes the female characters have feminist moments, but honestly I feel like a train wreck much of the time recently and that show is train wreck central. It makes me feel better. There, I said it rolleyes.gif
auralpoison
I'm rekindling the Barbie talk with a link to the freshly released Totally Stylin' Barbie. Apparently some mommies & daddies are concerned with Barbie having so-called "tramp stamps". Because, y'know, only loose women of the roundheels variety have bodyart. So far only one parent commented on Amazon & of course it was negative. Won't someone think of the children?!

I remember punking an old Barbie out. I magic markered red streaks into her hair/gave her heavy dark eyeliner & tattoos. I turned old socks into new wave mini dresses for her.
grrrlyouwant
ooh, i loves me my barbies! i had a whole suitcase full of them and their clothes, and i'd haul that thing back and forth to cousins' and friends' houses, playing out elaborate scenarios and trading clothes back and forth. i gave the whole thing to c-monkey when she was old enough, and was horrified when she promptly and systematically destroyed or lost stuff. i failed to instill in her the magic and wonder of the barbie doll; stupid modern punk kids with their pokemon and digital crap and ideas that any wrecked toys can be replaced on a whim. dry.gif i did manage to rescue my (one and only remaining intact now) special edition UN barbie with her sparkly blue-starred skirt and white sequined bodice with red sash and elbow-length white gloves, and she at least is sitting safely on my bookshelf.

tree: teee! in totally sexified my barbies too. but you know what was even better than barbies for that? the jem dolls. fully articulated joints right down to wrists and ankles; now those you could play out all your dirty little fantasies with. laugh.gif
culturehandy
I also had my barbies play sex with each other. A lot.

You know, I don't really remembe when I stopped playing with barbies...
period_monster
This truly horrifies me, but here goes. Last night e-man and I were lying in bed. He brought up being exclusive. A few minutes later, he grabbed my ass and said, "mine." Then he touched my hair, kissed my forehead and said, "mine" again, then his hand drifted back down to my ass and he said, "all mine." The look of bliss on his face in combination with those words in his loverly English accent made me so happy that I nearly came. Ahh, there go my feminist credentials.
girltrouble
you know, you can just start referring to him as your "slam piece" and they'll reinstate you. really. it's just that easy. wink.gif
girltrouble
2xpost.
period_monster
snorts lemonade through nose. Ouch.
devotchka
Period_Monster, I feel exact6ly the same when my boyfriend does things like that. It makes me want to squeal!

My biggest slip has to be the fact I tend to get on my soap box about refusing to be opressed by a society that worships thinness. But I often look in the mirror and feel secretly (and guiltily) happy that I look a bit slimmer.
zoya
.... feeling kinda good when I realized that the new girlfriend of an ex of mine had been gravitating into the bathroom at a bar at the same time as me to check me out. I just thought it was some random girl who ended up in the bathroom at the same times as me (you know how that happens at bars, people seem to get on the same pee schedules) and was totally oblivious until later when it hit me who she was. (I've seen pics of her on facebook) I hate to admit it, but it was kinda nice feeling like the totally hot, comfortable in her own skin one for once.

I'm going to hell.
angie_21
Nothin wrong with that monster! I quite like it too. Feminism means you have the choice and independence to find a guy that you actually like hearing it from, and you're only his as long as you want to be!
girltrouble
hee hee! yay zoya! you just made me so happy vicariously. wink.gif
stargazer
i forgot how much i love the disney princess movies of cinderella, snow white, and sleeping beauty after watching these movies with my little cousin. although, i will say that snow white the character was gravitating to me watching it this time around. sleeping beauty remains my all-time favorite disney princess.
crosby
I love, love, LOVE Katt Williams. I like to think he's a feminist in his own right though, because although he regularly calls women 'bitches' during his standup, he also says some pretty cool shit. In one of his shows he's talking about how ridiculous it is that some women are worried about having stretch marks and think that it makes them unattractive. He's just like "We don't care! It either means you were big and got little, or you were little and got big!"
crazyoldcatlady
i watched the horrendous "My Fake Fiance" starring Melissa Joan Hart and Joey Lawrence on TV the other night and loved. everyminute.
period_monster
I love men who open doors and get the check. Especially those who know full well that I am capable but want to treat me well.
MadameHooch
I'm with you period monster. I'm perfectly fine with going dutch, it's only fair, but sometimes it's nice to just hear a guy say "Let me treat you." Makes ya feel special! I also like little surprises, flowers and the like. Le sigh. I'm such a sucker for corny old school gentleman hospitality!
Peaceful Cynic
QUOTE(period_monster @ Aug 26 2009, 05:09 AM) *
I love men who open doors and get the check. Especially those who know full well that I am capable but want to treat me well.


Ah yes. I totally agree.





I still watch Jon and Kate plus 8.
zoya
QUOTE(period_monster @ Aug 26 2009, 03:09 AM) *
I love men who open doors and get the check. Especially those who know full well that I am capable but want to treat me well.



I actually don't even think of that as a feminist transgression - the fact that I AM capable not only of taking care of myself, but capable of getting the whole check and holding any door - yet having the choice to let a man who knows that full well, and still offers to play the traditional male role on a date.... I find that totally feminist.

If paying, or even going dutch, wasn't an option that was socially open to me then I would think about it as a transgression, because that would be exactly the social construct I was fighting against. Back in the day letting a guy do that stuff may have been a transgression, but I don't feel like it is anymore, provided that we (and the guy) know that we could damn well do it ourselves if we wanted to.

just my .02
Laura is Great
I love Charles Bukowski. Especially Post Office.
treehugger
I was talking with a male co-worker about self-defense and he was talking about how to disassemble a gun while the perpetrator is holding it aimed at you...I made the remark, "if I were in that situation, you'd be going to my funeral two days later".

He said, "I'd be out hunting".

(he is an avid hunter)

So I said, "okay, I'll make sure it's not hunting season."

He said, "it doesn't matter...if somebody did that to you, I'd be out hunting."

And then I figured out what he meant...I felt pretty cool that somebody would go and avenge my death like that.
AbleDanger
I expect a man to pay on the first date. I think it comes from my mother, just as I will never have my shoes and coat on waiting by the door for a man to get me. I like to make him wait a little for me. After that prefer more of an equal scenario. And I completely judge my date if he doesn't pay, though I feel bad about it. But, to make it more confusing, when I go out for the first time with a woman, I don't expect her to pay and will often offer to because I want to treat her. Sometimes, I don't understand my own contradictions.
catch
QUOTE(AbleDanger @ Sep 25 2009, 09:29 PM) *
I expect a man to pay on the first date. I think it comes from my mother, just as I will never have my shoes and coat on waiting by the door for a man to get me. I like to make him wait a little for me. After that prefer more of an equal scenario. And I completely judge my date if he doesn't pay, though I feel bad about it. But, to make it more confusing, when I go out for the first time with a woman, I don't expect her to pay and will often offer to because I want to treat her. Sometimes, I don't understand my own contradictions.


Wow, this person is CLEARLY not a feminist. Feminism is about gender equality, not expecting a man to do traditional things because he's a man (or vice-versa). This person's position is consistent with the man expecting the woman to do the cooking, cleaning and serving him.
catch
QUOTE(zoya @ Sep 3 2009, 01:53 PM) *
I actually don't even think of that as a feminist transgression - the fact that I AM capable not only of taking care of myself, but capable of getting the whole check and holding any door - yet having the choice to let a man who knows that full well, and still offers to play the traditional male role on a date.... I find that totally feminist.

If paying, or even going dutch, wasn't an option that was socially open to me then I would think about it as a transgression, because that would be exactly the social construct I was fighting against. Back in the day letting a guy do that stuff may have been a transgression, but I don't feel like it is anymore, provided that we (and the guy) know that we could damn well do it ourselves if we wanted to.

just my .02



I find it totally feminist for my wife to choose to submit to me and cook and clean.
catch
QUOTE(roseviolet @ Feb 10 2009, 12:12 PM) *
I agree with Zoya. Feminists definitely don't hate men. Angie_21, stick around The Lounge a little longer. You'll find a TON of man-lovin' feminists 'round here.

That's a generalization. It's entirely possible to be heterosexual and still hate the other gender. There are plenty of misogynists who are married or have girlfriends. Likewise, there are plenty of heterosexual feminists who do hate men but are also attracted to them.
catch
QUOTE(sexysandee @ Feb 27 2008, 09:41 AM) *
I like when guys do things for me, I love for them to open the car door for me and stand up when I get up to leave the table... it makes me feel special rolleyes.gif

THAT is anti-feminist.
catch
QUOTE(zoya @ Sep 3 2009, 01:53 PM) *
I actually don't even think of that as a feminist transgression - the fact that I AM capable not only of taking care of myself, but capable of getting the whole check and holding any door - yet having the choice to let a man who knows that full well, and still offers to play the traditional male role on a date.... I find that totally feminist.

If paying, or even going dutch, wasn't an option that was socially open to me then I would think about it as a transgression, because that would be exactly the social construct I was fighting against. Back in the day letting a guy do that stuff may have been a transgression, but I don't feel like it is anymore, provided that we (and the guy) know that we could damn well do it ourselves if we wanted to.

just my .02


I can cook and clean and have the right to but I would rather a woman do it. That's not a feminist transgression either.
danibanu
it is an issue all over the world... we should change something and solve it
karengirl1988
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