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LoungeLady
Hey all you BUSTy chicas! Something came up at one of our meetings, and we were wondering what you think it means to be BUSTy.

The interns all agree that it is more of an essence--we know it when we see it--but we want to find a way to explain BUSTiness to those who aren't quite with it.

Give us your input! How do you define BUSTy? And what does it mean to be a BUSTy lady?
LoungeLady
*crickets* unsure.gif

You ladies are awesome. Keep 'em coming.
deschatsrouge
QUOTE(freckleface7 @ Jun 10 2008, 12:38 AM) *
live your life on Your terms and don't look back w/ apologies.


pherber
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sorry,
it's kinda tough to say, we're all pretty different.
This thread "You know you're a bustie, when..."
maybe gives a bit of an idea...

Your question is a bit vague, too, you know "What it means to be a bustie"
Maybe you could be a little more specific?


*sratches head*

I'll think of something, but like I said, it's not so easy to describe.

turbojenn
WORD on that, dechats!

LL - good to see you 'round here! Be sure to tell everybustiestaffer a big 'ole HAPPY 15th ANNIVERSARY from all of us!

I was thinking a bit about this this other day, reflecting on the anniversary, and that I've been a consistent reader for most of the last 15 years, and I think because of the last 9 or so years that I've been on the lounge, BUST to me, means HOME, as much as anything. Y'all are my SATC-style bitches, and I've shared the good, bad and worse here, come to laugh, cry and get more support here than I could have imagined from an online community. So the Lounge is truly my online home.

But what it means to be a Bustie? Hmmm...I think dechats has got a good, pithy definition down there, but I'll keep thinking. Mostly, I'm just happy to still be here with y'all. smile.gif
culturehandy
I've been sitting on this for a while, and I still don't know.

I'll agree with Turbo that this place is like home. It's hard to put into words, it's like you just *are*.
kittenb
I'll give it a try.

Being a Bustie means:

-you know feminism takes many forms.
-you are willing to stand for the rights of other women.
-you know that talking about nail polish doesn't mean you can't talk about politics.
-you know that the color pink can be insanely controversial and you have a stance on that but sometimes that stance contradicts itself.
-you want the highest quality technology and can you make it in a sparkly purple while you are at it?
-reading the news can make you full of love and full of rage within about a 3-5 minute span of time.
pherber
I think the reason why I'm so confused is, that bustie could mean Bust reader, or Bust forumer.
Sorry for not being both. Bust is not available in my country, and technichally of course, I could get a foreign subsription, but you need a credit card for that, and I'm too poor to get one.
So this might not really answer your question, but maybe interesting to know, that not all busties, who don't read Bust, hate the magazine. wink.gif

Just had a thought-
Maybe there's a difference between Bust readers, and Bust forumers, because it's an American magazine and the Lounge is international?


PS:
I totally second/third all the descriptions below.
kittenb
I should add that most people on the Board spell it Bustie. Busty might mean something different.
VallyVal
To be BUSTy is to be comfortable in your own femininity, this runs the gamut from not leaving the house without your makeup and heels to working an old tshirt and tattered cutoffs. To be BUSTy is to appreciate the full continuum of femininity-from being born with the parts to embracing life a a woman regardless of what parts you were born with. To be BUSTy is to never apologize for how you choose to live out your femininity and supporting all those whose definition of woman differs from your own.

doodlebug
A bustie is someone who always strives to be true to her own damned badass self.
pherber
QUOTE(VallyVal @ Jun 12 2008, 02:02 AM) *
To be BUSTy is to be comfortable in your own femininity, this runs the gamut from not leaving the house without your makeup and heels to working an old tshirt and tattered cutoffs. To be BUSTy is to appreciate the full continuum of femininity-from being born with the parts to embracing life a a woman regardless of what parts you were born with. To be BUSTy is to never apologize for how you choose to live out your femininity and supporting all those whose definition of woman differs from your own.

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Oh, fuck me, NOW I get it!!!!

A BUSTy is a Bust magazine acolyte, and a bustie is a forum bitch, who'll speak her mind.

I had no idea it were that simple.



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kittenb
So are those of us who love the magazine as well as love the board both bustys as well as Busties? wink.gif
pherber
I was just being sarcastic, because she was spelling it BUSTy, directly after your statement.
mouse
LOL @ pherber.

i agree with what everyone has said so far. i think it's a specific type of woman who is both pretty deeply intellectual, socially conscious and opinionated, while at the same time unabashedly enjoying whatever she may choose to enjoy. busties are egalitarian and question both sides of each issue, ultimately coming to their own conclusions. there's a lot of searching & trying to educate on this board; at the same time there's a hell of a lot of silliness, appreciation of ridiculously voyeuristic, consumerist, superfluous &/or frivolous pursuits, & genuine affection for fellow busties. i think that being a bustie is about balance--it's not cosmo, but neither is it ms. or bitch--and finding what that means individually (which, sometimes, is actually not in line with the publication).

i think there IS a difference between a reader of the mag and a reader of the forum--i think the forum has taken on a life of its own, but it will always be indebted to bust for giving it life.
girltrouble
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Oh, fuck me, NOW I get it!!!!

A BUSTy is a Bust magazine acolyte, and a bustie is a forum bitch, who'll speak her mind.

I had no idea it were that simple.
mellow.gif

what are you if you are annoyed by the question? ...oh yeah...
stargazer
QUOTE(LoungeLady @ Jun 10 2008, 10:19 AM) *
How do you define BUSTy? And what does it mean to be a BUSTy lady?


Maybe there have been a lack of responses because the question itself seems patronizing to these people who are committed to this forum.

but, maybe i am being too cynical.

i'm working on not saying anything at all if you can't say anything nice.

i guess it's not working.
auralpoison
I've been kinda flipflopping with this. I read the mag, but the Lounge is something all together it's own. So I can't say I can define BUSTy, but then I can't define a Bustie, either. You just are or you aren't. There are women here that drive me starkers, but I love them anyways. They're Busties. They transcend definition. That's what it means to me, I guess. We are inexplicably everything at once. We're elemental.

And LL, we're not so good at this sort of thing. In all the time there's been an "Ask Betty" thread 3000 of us looked at it, but nobody has ever responded.

ETA, I'm not sure I like elemental anymore. Mercurial, maybe?
sybarite
LL, I concur with Auralpoison. I have often thought the lounge represents a fascinating community of women, who can have wildly varying viewpoints but articulate them (generally) clearly and passionately. But for whatever reason, we don't seem to respond to surveys or other structured questions much. *shrugs*

Interesting question though. I don't have much to add except that busties can be intrepid, arguing their corner but usually attempting to understand the other side.
civichick06
QUOTE(pherber @ Jun 12 2008, 02:17 PM) *
blink.gif

Oh, fuck me, NOW I get it!!!!

A BUSTy is a Bust magazine acolyte, and a bustie is a forum bitch, who'll speak her mind.

I had no idea it were that simple.



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I totally Agree with VallyVal tongue.gif
pollystyrene
Hmm, suddenly the newbies are experts at defining us?
LoungeLady
QUOTE(stargazer @ Jun 15 2008, 03:28 PM) *
Maybe there have been a lack of responses because the question itself seems patronizing to these people who are committed to this forum.


My last intention was to be patronizing. But I did leave the question vague so people could answer however they wanted--maybe it backfired.

As for busty vs. bustie, we interns seem to fall on both sides of the fence. I personally use busty as an adjective, and bustie(s) as a noun.

When I took over LL duties, I didn't realize the ladies of the Lounge and the magazine's readers were such distinct entities (something the editors were quick to let me know when they realized I put up this thread). Regardless, I do enjoy checking out the threads as I lurk around hunting for spam and double posts to delete.
girltrouble
QUOTE(LoungeLady @ Jun 16 2008, 07:41 AM) *
My last intention was to be patronizing. But I did leave the question vague so people could answer however they wanted--maybe it backfired.

ya think?
QUOTE
As for busty vs. bustie, we interns seem to fall on both sides of the fence. I personally use busty as an adjective, and bustie(s) as a noun
When I took over LL duties, I didn't realize the ladies of the Lounge and the magazine's readers were such distinct entities (something the editors were quick to let me know when they realized I put up this thread). Regardless, I do enjoy checking out the threads as I lurk around hunting for spam and double posts to delete.
one thing that will bug the fuck out of people on any forum are people who jump in without knowing the environment they are in. in here, the issue isn't where the interns stand, it's where the users of the lounge stand. i hate to be snotty, (ok, actually, i live to be snotty), but this is a monster of bust's own creation, thanks to it's neglect. it sounds like you are a new, LL, from your post, my advise-- create a new admin name+avi. i'm sure i'm not the only one who gets a little teed off at the inaction of the LL(s) that came before you. it's not that busties cry about every little thing, to the contrary, this is a self modded fora, and it suits us fine, but when we get trolls leaving antagonistic posts in sensative threads, when we get them posting doctored anti-abortion all over the place, and the LL would not react for DAYS.... well, i for one see red any time i see an LL post trying to be all friendly.

speaking for myself, that leads to some pretty hard feelings when you get sarcasm, patronizing comments and fluff threads, like this.

really all we need you to do is familiarize yourself with this place, delete troll posts* and get old busties their passwords when they request them. but if you keep going down the patronizing/sarcastic route, there are a few of us who will hand you your head on a platter.


*just so you know, troll posts are easy to spot. busties will point them out, just check out the troll thread. we post their names and any other info in there.
kittenb
I don't think that LL had any intention of being patronizing or upsetting and, as she is new, I don't see the point in being upset with her for mistakes of past LL's. When I first saw the thread, I assumed that the intention was for the people in charge of the magazine to get more involved with the board which will probably be a good thing.

So let's not scare off the new LL. Being a intern can be a tough gig and I see no reason to be hostile to her. If she is made to feel welcome, then other interns will be able to help us out as well. And while we may only "need" a moderator to:

QUOTE
familiarize yourself with this place, delete troll posts* and get old busties their passwords when they request them


it is always nice to have new members.
sybarite
LL, I didn't intend to be at all dismissive; I was just observing that, for whatever reason, structured calls for feedback haven't generated many replies in the past, IME. I'm glad you enjoy the boards; that's what they're here for after all.
LoveMyPugs
welcome (new) LL! I just wanted to say that in my opinion it's not only hard to be an intern but it's hard to be a "newbie" on the bust boards. I'm surprised I've lasted as long as I have. Sometimes some of the ladies on here make me so mad that I don't ever want to come back and I often wonder why I do. Obviously, there is something about this website that keeps me coming back day after day after day. I can tell you I come back for ladies like culturehandy and girltrouble. They are the first ones to help you when you have a problem and also the first ones to put you in your place when you are wrong. Whether it's tipping the person who makes your coffee or the issue of racisim, they don't shy from telling you how it is. There are many other ladies on here that do this as well. I need this in my life. That's why I love the lounge. I don't read the magazine. I also don't consider myself a feminist. I'm so different from some of the ladies on this board. I'm not as knowledgeable about politics, feminist issues and topics like that. I guess I'm priviledged so I don't think about those issues as often as other busties in the lounge. When I get brave and venture into those threads I'm welcomed and educated. On the other hand, I do think I can contribute a lot to dicussions about long term relationships, sex, music, movies, acne, dieting, dream analysis and a few other topics. Some of the other ladies on this site probably think that I don't have a clue about anything and I feel the same about them but at least we can respect one another and not jump each other's shit everytime we post. I think that is what a bustie is. A bustie may know a lot but they don't know everything and there is always someone to teach you or show you the truth. You respect others and in turn gain the respect of others. You learn and teach. For me that sums up the lounge. It's a learning experience and a way to teach others. The best of both worlds. Since joining bust I feel like part of the group. These ladies are my only "girlfriends". I feel accepted by them. In real life I tend to hang around with all men who obviously don't know what it's like to be a woman. When I need "girl" time I sign into the lounge. I consider all the ladies on here my friends whether I agree with their posts or not. I can't even begin to tell you how much I've grown and changed since joining the lounge because of the ladies here. I'm thankful everyday that I just happened to come across this site. I know that was kind of drawn out but that's what bustie means to me.
roseviolet
LL, welcome to the forum. It's nice to have a moderator who is making an effort to be a larger presence here. smile.gif

Yes, there's a difference between the Bust-Magazine-Busties and the Bust-Lounge-Busties. They overlap in many places, but I think the members of the Lounge are a more diverse population. You'll find the same teenagers & 20-somethings here as you'll find buying the mag, but you'll also find women in their 30s, 40s, and even 50s here. There are a few guys, too (I actually met my husband here on Bust). I'm in my 30s now and I still occasionally buy the mag, but not as often as I used to. Frankly, I was really turned off when they ran ads for cigarettes in Bust & I refused to buy the issues that featured tobacco advertising. This magazine is specifically targeted to young women - many of whom are too young to even purchase cigarettes - so it felt horribly inappropriate. I simply hold Bust to a higher standard than that.

Anyway.

Before the forum changed and oodles and oodles and oodles of posts got deleted, the "You Know You're a Bustie When ..." thread had some great examples of what it means to be a Bustie. There are still some good examples on there, just not as many as there used to be.
http://www.bust.com/lounge/index.php?showtopic=52232

I've been on this forum since early 2001. When I joined I quickly felt welcomed. I had found a place where I could see that I really wasn't alone and that there are more people out there who think the way I do than I realized. It's just a huge repository of kindred spirits. We are all so very different, but there is a love and respect here that I havent encountered on any other forum. Being a Bustie has made me feel far more comfortable identifying myself as a feminist ... and teaching people that, whether they realized it before or not, they are also feminists. I love that I can come here and talk about relationship problems or the latest recipe I served at a dinner party. I can vent my frustrations over the racism in my community and I can also talk about what happened on the latest episode of Project Runway. It's a hodge podge of what it means to be a woman in the western world today, but it's warm and welcoming enough that a number of men call this place home, too.

In short, I think of Busties as people who just get it ... but I'm not quite sure how to define what "it" is!
LoungeLady
Thanks for the responses so far! (Not to mention the welcomes and advice) happy.gif Though I am not going to lie and speak for future interns, I will definitely try to do a better job keeping up with the Lounge while I'm here (and see what I can do to encourage those that come after me to do the same). All that said, if there is anything else you think I should be doing, drop a message at the problem/suggestions thread, which is the first place I stop by every morning I'm in the office.
culturehandy
I do have to say that I'm really loving the fact that the new LL is in here frequently and is engaging and participating in the topics.

I don't feel like we mean nothing to you now. I see you coming here and responding not just sitting and rocking back and forth on your shoes. It's nice for a change.

Pugs, thanks for the comments. Awwww. And I still consider you a feminist, you take control of things, you take control of your sexuality and you aren't submissive, you care about women's issues.
mornington
LL, it's great that you're sticking around - thank you for making the effort, it definitely means a lot to us!

ok, I'm going to guess that a bustie (as in a board member) is someone who takes an interest in the world around them - who is happy to share thier knowledge when they can, but equally happy to learn from others, widen thier horizons, and admit mistakes. They can acknowledge - and even embrace - that feminism isn't about having one opinion, and that you can still give a shit about clothes or last night's tv without being a "bad feminist".

Plus, well, they're just... good people. You might not love every person here like they were your best friend, but when it comes down to it, they're still the sort of people you feel blessed to know.


rose - I'd forgotten that thread! *hearts*
girltrouble
i'd like to add a third kudos to the new LL. if the last 2 days in any indication, i think we got a winner. i've apologised via pm for my bluster, and i'm glad i did. the new LL is thee kickayis. and i couldn't be happier.

keep up the good work, LL. good hustle!
mouse
QUOTE(LoungeLady @ Jun 16 2008, 07:41 AM) *
When I took over LL duties, I didn't realize the ladies of the Lounge and the magazine's readers were such distinct entities (something the editors were quick to let me know when they realized I put up this thread).



it actually makes me really happy to learn that the powers that be are aware of this distinction. a lot of times we lounge rats feel like bust's least favorite children--expected to uphold the name of the family, but not really thrown any bones. at the same time, it's really great to have such an unstructured space that has become exactly what we've made it, without unwanted interference from parties that are not as involved and dedicated as we are and who may have quite different agendas.

that said, this thread wasn't intended as a discussion on how the lounge is different than the mag, and i will keep up the good bustie tradition of Not Derailing Existing Threads wink.gif New LL, welcome, and thanks for putting up with the "welcome" BS one gets when one doesn't thoroughly research our little internet frankenstein monster before posting.

i think a lot of ladies have given some good feedback and i stand by what i previously wrote as well.
auralpoison

*****TROLL ALERT*****

our usual shmuck troll is back. with 3 profiles. instead of putting up with his bs, click on the link below to block his posts and doctored photos. on the next pages, click on the update ignored users button at the bottom of the page.*

BLOCK TROLL: filibuster
BLOCK TROLL: dustbuster
BLOCK TROLL: misslips

*it is also a good idea to add these names to your block pm list if needed and to set your acct to require approval for comments.

VallyVal
Sorry, very slow laptop-I was lazy and just replied without reading previous posts-wasn't aware of the spelling issue.

QUOTE(pherber @ Jun 12 2008, 07:48 PM) *
I was just being sarcastic, because she was spelling it BUSTy, directly after your statement.

karengirl1988
It's nice to see so many opinions and discussion.
Sorry, i don't have any idea of your question, just feel interesting to be in.
acelinacel
QUOTE(girltrouble @ Jun 14 2008, 03:30 AM) *
what are you if you are annoyed by the question? ...oh yeah...


Not a question to become annoy.

Lets wait for some1 explain in best meaning
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Cheers to all busty women out there
craveforeric
I have been frequenting Bust Lounge and I have noticed that threads are no longer up to date and that there are very minimal posts as if only a few people are browsing it. I hope people would start paying attention to this site again and that members would be active again.
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