kari
Oct 29 2008, 08:37 AM
Gt, that's definitely an issue (well, one of many!) that I have with McCain....he just keeps saying "WaRshington is broken. I know how to fix it." "The economy is broken. I know how to fix it." Uh......would you mind telling us how? I just feel like he is relying on his experience too much, he thinks that should be enough for people. He's asking us to "just trust him."
Did anyone catch McCain on Meet The Press last Sunday? You could tell how tired he is and I feel that his brain isn't functioning at 100%.
The Sarah Palin display with the noose is completely horrible. What idiots. There definitely are crazies on both sides.
On an unrelated note, I was present for a speechy by Sandra Day O'Connor on Monday. I was stoked. It was at a women's economic summit here in town.
roseviolet
Oct 29 2008, 06:15 PM
Pardon me if I get local for a bit, but I am FURIOUS!!!!! I turned on the news tonight and saw this piece-of-shit ad from Elizabeth Dole's campaign. GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
There is so so soooooooo much wrong with that ad, I do not even know where to start. I haven't found a lot of national coverage on this yet. Luckily, this article has a transcript of Kay Hagan's press conference in response to the ad. That clears up some of the things that have pissed me off, but certainly not all.
Elizabeth Dole should be ashamed of herself. Has she learned nothing from the failing of the McCain/Palin campaign? Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
Distracting bit of oddness for the day: Joe Biden's Teeth
jsmith
Oct 29 2008, 07:12 PM
What's so funny to me is that these bible-bangers (not applying this term to all xtians, only the uber-zealots) seem to think that everyone is scandalized by public figures who are atheists, or sympathize with atheists. Well, there are plenty of atheists and other non-christians who couldn't care less. They're wasting their breath and their money.
freckleface7
Oct 29 2008, 08:14 PM
does anyone know when the Absentee Ballots are going to be mailed out?
we haven't recieved ours yet and I'm getting a little antsy.. or angsty as I almost typed it..
I am right back at flipping a coin.
rv: I find "liddy dole" just annoying in general. her lisping in all her commericials is driving me nuts!
we can't vote in the state elections here, but I am curious, if you don't mind- who are you leaning towards?
anarch: I have gavin debecker's book too, but honestly had to stop reading it bc it scared the holy snot out of me and made me more paranoid than I already tend to be. outstanding read however.
pollystyrene
Oct 29 2008, 09:11 PM
Yikes, I had to convince myself that wasn't from The Onion.
LeBoy is afraid that the "Barack Obama Variety Hour", as sidecar so aptly deemed it in kvetch (

), may come off as overkill. I don't know- it could go either way.
jsmith
Oct 29 2008, 09:21 PM
I'm reading de Becker's book now. I find it very interesting, and eye opening.
girltrouble
Oct 29 2008, 09:24 PM
i came into it late, but it almost made me cry. that woman's arthritic hands reminded me of my grandma who, at 80 something, worked till her dying day....
freckle my love, you can call the obama campaign and they will tell you everything you need to know. absentees depend on the state, since washington is mail heavy, most people i know got their ballots 2 weeks ago. but call tomorrow, the sooner you know the situation, the more time you have to fix things if there is an issue.
faerietails
Oct 29 2008, 09:38 PM
After the initial disbelief, I cracked up at the Dole ad. Then again, I'm one of those godless heathens she's warning about, so I
would find it funny, seeing as how she's uncovered the godless people's master plan and all.

What a bitch.
I watched about 3 minutes of the obama infomercial then had to turn it off. I can't deal.
roseviolet
Oct 30 2008, 12:08 AM
QUOTE(jsmith @ Oct 29 2008, 08:12 PM)

What's so funny to me is that these bible-bangers (not applying this term to all xtians, only the uber-zealots) seem to think that everyone is scandalized by public figures who are atheists, or sympathize with atheists. Well, there are plenty of atheists and other non-christians who couldn't care less. They're wasting their breath and their money.
Exactly!!!
I began to wonder if maybe Elizabeth Dole has decided that she cannot win, so she decided that it was "better to burn out than fade away" and that's why her campaign is going down in a ball of flames. Who knows. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
I watched the Obama infomercial mainly because I figured that everyone will be talking about it tomorrow. I must admit that I got a bit teary. The parents who were struggling to afford food and gas and everything ... oh my, that really got me because I remember my family going through the very same thing. And yes, I know that many people will say that these stories are intentionally manipulative, but they're also real. I think we all know people like that elderly couple and those parents. I know I certainly do. So to me it didn't seem manipulative. It felt honest.
Anyway!
Freckle, I obviously voted for Obama (you probably figured that out already). I've been pretty disappointed in the senatorial race. I've seen sooooo many negative ads between Dole & Hagan it is unreal. A couple of weeks ago I actually stopped watching the local evening news every night simply because I couldn't watch their ads anymore. Tonight I decided to give it another try since Obama was in town, but then I saw that ad & was too stunned to watch much else. Anywho, in the end I decided to vote for Hagan & Dole's ad has simply confirmed for me that I made the right decision.
anarch
Oct 30 2008, 12:53 AM
freckle and jsmith, cool, I figured some Busties would know about de Becker already. I'm looking fwd to checking out his other books after this one.
Obama's Radical Tax Agenda (great graphics)
538 canvasser story (love love love this final line):
"Every day, Barack Obama gets up and is brave," she said. "I can be brave."I'll be repeating that to myself as I work through my lists of Ohio voters to call. I'm not even doing the hard work of calling undecided voters b/c I'm not confident enough of being able to speak persuasively on enough issues. I'm just doing get-out-the-vote reminders (working from a script). Mostly getting voicemail (people not answering out-of-state numbers? people tired of robocalls, campaign calls?), though today when I got a live person and identified myself as an Obama campaign volunteer she exclaimed disgustedly, "Oh, GOD no!" and hung up. Anyway. I can be brave, I can be brave, I can be brave...
speaking of which, here's a funny youtube
reminder to Obama supporters to keep on (or sign up for) phoning people or knocking on doors. Every little bit helps.
Comic relief:
"I hope this helps you not chose McCain"
jsmith
Oct 30 2008, 02:08 PM
I keep hearing "It's getting tighter! It's getting tighter!" I'm not sure I believe it. Does anyone have some reliable sources discussing how close (or far) the race is?
I'm so anxious!!! Hurry up and get here, Nov. 5!
anarch
Oct 30 2008, 04:11 PM
jsmith, I've seen
538 recommended in a bunch of places for polling aggregation and analysis.
freckleface, you said you're back at flipping a coin. How come? (never mind if you don't feel like going into it. I was just wondering.)
Info on the real background of
Rashid Khalidi (one of McCain's latest charges)
Reconstruction of an
overheard office conversation from bitch phd about race and the White House
Samantha Bee
takes on McCain's air quotes re women's health
roseviolet
Oct 30 2008, 06:38 PM
Elizabeth Dole has refused to remove her scandalous ad from TV, so Kay Hagan has filed a defamation lawsuit. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't more lawsuits like this. Campaign advertising is so misleading nowadays.
jsmith, I second FiveThirtyEight.com. Plenty of statistical analysis, complete with pie charts & graphs. I swear it's more interesting than it sounds. According to his current projections, Obama has a 95.7% chance of winning. CNN's Electoral Vote Calculator is interesting, too. As of today, CNN estimates that Obama will win at least 291 electoral votes (you need 270 to win the election).
Have any of you been to the tax calculator that shows how much you'd save on taxes on the Obama plan versus the MCain plan? I admit that I was skeptical, but on CNN's Fact Checker page they looked into it. They spoke to a representative from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center & they said that the estimates look accurate. Let me emphasize that it offers an estimate based on the answers to a few simple questions. According to the calculator, my husband and I could save $1800 in taxes per year under Obama's plan. Under McCain's plan, we wouldn't save anything ( the calculator showed $0).
I also saw a story on ABC News where they were discussing how Obama and McCain plan on funding their proposals. Unfortunately, both candidates would put us further into debt. Obama's plan would cost us an extra $3 trillion. But surprisingly, McCain's plan costs much more. McCain would put us more than $5 trillion deeper into debt. I haven't been able to find the story on-line so you can see it for yourselves, but I'll try a bit harder to hunt it down.
girltrouble
Oct 30 2008, 11:01 PM
anarch, that bitch phd post was freaking hilarious.
i was listening to day to day on npr today, and the reporter was talking about a woman who, once the mic was off, confided her fear that if obama won the election, all white people would be enslaved.
i've heard other people say that if he was elected black people would go on crime sprees, because obama wouldn't let blacks go to jail.
i am amazed at how irrational people are when it comes to this. no wonder they have no problem saying he had a crazy preacher AND he's muslim in the same breath without thinking.
i mean where do they get these ideas?
when i stop to think about it, it does make sense, after all there was that whole thing about how if you generally fear change, then chances are you are a republican, so here comes this guy who's whole thing is change, figgers they'd be freaked.
obama's infomercial got higher ratings than the world series.
i keep worrying that the election will be stolen, but i have to admit it cracks me up when mccain says that he's been counted out he wins, but i always think of the umpteen times he's run for the republican nom, and lost. so i figure he has to run for president at least another 3 times before he actually gets into office.
i was telling someone i almost hope that mccain wins. because anyone who hasn't figured out that reagan-bush-bush-mccain, voodoo/trickledown economics has screwed over all of us except the top 1% really needs the lesson driven home. honestly, i don't understand how anyone can want to vote for mccain-- unless they are rich, in which case it makes perfect sense. ok, not even then. the thing that kills me about the gop, is this whole distrust of gov't, but when they get in office, they don't run a government that is a paragon of efficency, instead it's corruption on steroids, croneyism runs rampant, offices are filled with friends instead of people who are competent (remember katrina? 9/11), when they are out of power they complain that govenment is too big, but spending, deficits and government all balloon when they come in office. and defense? name one successful war that they have started/finished? they haven't got a one, yet they are supposed to be the party of defense? what the fuck are republicans good for? oh, ok social issues, like abortion, or gay marrage, and keeping guns, but other than that? no taxes? they raise taxes too. unless you are rich...
is it me or does bill clinton look more and more like w.c. fields?
and i love it that alec baldwin called palin "bible spice."
i've been meaning to ask, rosey, what is sheff's take on american democracy?
roseviolet
Oct 30 2008, 11:29 PM
GT, I also listened to "Day To Day" this afternoon and I was stunned when I heard about that woman's response/ Enslave the white people?! What the fucking hell? People like that really really really make me concerned about this country.
Sheff and I have talked a bit about his take on the American system, but I don't feel qualified to speak for him. He said he'll try to pop in here tomorrow & let you know what he thinks, GT.
The Daily Show had a great piece tonight about community organizers that finally calmed a teensy bit of the rage that has been festering in me since the Republican National Convention. So that's nice.
anarch
Oct 31 2008, 12:04 AM
feministe has put together a compilation of tips for deterring (and, if it happens anyway, at least recording) vote suppression
GOP Voter Suppression: More Miss Than HitObama's Letter
pollystyrene
Oct 31 2008, 12:39 AM
I sort of posed this question to the Chicago Busties at our last gathering- are there any politicians out there who are calling for a reform of the voting system? Not just getting rid of the electoral college (I think turbojenn said Dennis Kucinich wants that) but making it so that every state has the same rules when it comes to who is eligible to vote, when/where they can register to vote (didn't that affect stuff in the 2000 and 2004 elections, where some states allow you to register to vote right then and there on Election Day at the polls?), having the same abilities for early voting and all the other similar issues? Maybe making Election Day a federal holiday so more people have the day off? I think being allowed to vote should be like jury duty- you should be granted time off and your employer can't penalize you for taking the time off.
Today, we had a lull in the schedule at work, so my boss/cousin and I went and voted together. Today was the last day to early vote in Illinois and we're both procrastinators.
jsmith
Oct 31 2008, 09:00 AM
QUOTE(roseviolet @ Oct 30 2008, 11:29 PM)

GT, I also listened to "Day To Day" this afternoon and I was stunned when I heard about that woman's response/ Enslave the white people?! What the fucking hell? People like that really really really make me concerned about this country.
Folks around me are terrified of Obama being elected because he will "turn his back on 'god's chosen people' in Israel and let the Palestinians demolish them" "And then, OMG, god won't like us anymore! America won't be the greatest, most powerful nation in the world anymore! Remember what happened when those Brits turned their backs on Israel? They lost their power! Armageddon is coming!!11!!!!1!"
LOL on Bible Spice!
roseviolet
Oct 31 2008, 11:35 AM
I stumbled upon an interesting website today created by Errol Morris. In case you don't already him, Errol Morris is a documentary filmmaker. His films are filled with interviews of real people, recorded in a way so that the interviewee is looking straight into the camera (so it feels like they're talking directly to you). One of the things that makes Morris such a great interview is that he doesn't ask a lot of questions & he doesn't interrupt. He prefers to allow silence to hang there ... and then lets the interviewee fill that silence with their thoughts. His work is truly truly fascinating.
Anyway!
Errol Morris had heard, as we all have, about Republicans and independents who are voting for Obama, so he decided to interview some of them. His interview subjects include a few military veterans, a couple evangelical Christians, a CPA, and even a registered Republican from North Carolina who voted for McCain in the primary, but is casting his vote for Obama in the election. You can see the interviews at PeopleInThe MiddleForObama.org.
Note: My main criticism is that the music in the background & the white set make these videos feel like Mac ads. But once you get over that, the interviews are pretty interesting.
designermedusa
Oct 31 2008, 02:01 PM
I can't believe I haven't posted in this thread before. I watched the Barack Obama infomerical today because my sister said it was amazing. The people that moved me to tears was the retired couple where the husband had to come out of retirement to pay his wife's medical bills. What does it say about the U.S. when people can't even enjoy retirement.
I voted for Obama, and was happy with my choice. Early voting in my area of Florida has been very successful.
roseviolet
Oct 31 2008, 03:35 PM
Hi there, DM! Nice to hear that you also took advantage of early voting. It's been really really popular here in NC. I think they said on the news that 30% of registered voters have cast their votes so far. Pretty exciting!
In my continual efforts to add a little lightness to this thread, here's a great Halloween-themed video: Robots Attack!
pollystyrene
Oct 31 2008, 03:57 PM
And some more lightness:
The Curse of Cindy McCain! Bwahahahaha!
sheffield_steel
Oct 31 2008, 06:16 PM
I hear that somebody might be interested in my take on US democracy. So.
But where to begin? (...and where to end?)
- I think it's kinda wrong that in the US, the "ruling party" (i.e. the party with the president) can lose control of the Senate & House half-way through his term of office. He's then left unable to pass any laws (or even budgets, if the opposition are bloody-minded enough) due to being unable to get a majority. And the country, having voted itself into that position, is stuck with it, potentially for years, because presidential elections are always every four years, senate elections every two, and so on.
This wouldn't happen in the UK because the Prime Minister is, by definition, the leader of the party with the most Members of Parliament as of the last general election. This majority means that they can generally get laws passed (budgets, incidentally, do not need a vote to be effective). Every time the ruling party tries to pass a bill in parliament, they declare it to be either a free vote or a "whipped" vote. They don't use real whips any more, the "party whips" are actually MPs who bully members of the party into voting the correct way. No, really. So in a free vote, it doesn't matter if the government is defeated - they just shrug and carry on with life. If the government loses despite using the whip, then any MP can call for a vote of confidence, and if that fails, then the government falls. If no party or coalition can get a clear majority of MPs to support it, then it's general election time again. General elections are usually held every four to five years, at the discretion of the ruling party - this might seem to be a recipe for abuse, but if you're seen as hanging on to office, it doesn't do you any favours - but can be held early in a crisis.
This is my understanding - I could be wrong on a couple of points. But at the root of it, there's less likelihood of a government being unable to govern because of an unforunate by-election result after that one crucial MP was found dead at home with an orange and a black bin bag (no, that really happened - the coroner's verdict was "misadventure" but for most of us it was the first time we heard the phrase "auto-erotic asphyxiation"... BUT I DIGRESS).
- TV adverts. Aaaaaaarg. Do not get me started. ... well, okay.
In the UK, each major party (there's a specific test - something like 5% of the vote at the last election) is given a five-minute TV slot. I'm not sure about budget restrictions, but I think it's all public money. Anyway, political advertising on TV is illegal, and that's that. You just get a short chance to make your point. No point in raising multiple millions to spend buying airtime, no drowning the evening television schedule in unpleasantness and innuendo. Having said that, the billboards can get annoying.
Eh, that's it for now. More if my brain kicks anything else out.
jsmith
Nov 1 2008, 02:10 PM
I nearly wet myself when watching
this CNN interview between Rick Sanchez and Michael Goldfarb. How funny, this guy can't answer a simple question or back up his inflammatory statements.
Much like the entire McCain campaign BAHAHAHAHA!!!
EDIT: and how about that prank call that Palin received? I'm torn about that... On one hand, I think it's hilarious that she fell for it. On the other, MYGAWD, how can she be so gullible? And I'm horrified that these two DJs talked to her like that (as much as I dislike her politics,
I feel insulted at what the fake Sarkozy said).
roseviolet
Nov 2 2008, 11:14 AM
Did you hear about the lady who refused to give Halloween candy to the children of Obama supporters? That's just bizarre. I mean, it's fine if you don't want to hand out any Halloween candy at all, but this is totally different. Why punish people who can't even vote? Little kids don't understand politics and elections. So why? Geez. Did you notice that she even had McCain/Palin campaign literature stapled to the candy? Wow. The crazies just keep getting crazier.
That touches on something that has been bothering me, though. Over the last few months, some groups in my area have had "Kids For Obama" parties where kids could pretend to vote & they'd make Obama-themed artwork or whatever. There may also have been some "Kids for McCain" parties, but I'm not sure. Personally, I'm uncomfortable with this. Although I am an Obama supporter, if I had children I would not take them to a gathering like that. It just feels weird and wrong to me, since these kids are too young to understand the issues, not to mention too young to vote. I am all for encouraging kids to learn about the importance of voting, but this just feels ... not right. I would rather teach my child to think for herself & make her own decision. Am I making sense here?
jsmith
Nov 2 2008, 12:09 PM
What a colossal bitch.
pollystyrene
Nov 2 2008, 12:41 PM
I'd be embarrassed to be a Republican and be associated with her. Even if she were giving out McCain stickers instead of candy, a little kid's not going to know the difference- they just think they got a sticker. Now they just got turned away by some awful woman for a reason they really don't understand.
According to the Daily Kos, they did a little research and found out she's a Republican delegate (they called her the candy nazi!). Way to represent, lady! I bet her phone number's listed somewhere on the internet.....
ETA: Yeah, rose, no matter what side of the fence you're on, it is a little weird to bring kids into it. My parents were very vocal about their political views with us at home, but I can't imagine them ever doing something like that. For my mom, it was always important that we go to the polling place with her to witness it all, and that was about it. That's probably why my first priority on my 18th birthday was getting registered to vote that day.
mouse
Nov 2 2008, 03:18 PM
you're kidding, she's a delegate? wow. i do not understand how people's brains work, honestly.
i love that the other house put up a sign that said "obama for peace, candy for everyone"! that seems a nice condensation of the entire campaign, doesn't it? haha.
i agree, rose, i don't think it's right to force your own agenda on kids who don't understand it, even if (hopefully) it's what they'll end up believing in when they grow up. i think it's one thing if they're a teenager and want to get involved on their own but still can't vote yet (i turned 18 just a couple months after the 2000 election and was hopping mad i couldn't vote in it), but for little kids who don't understand the bigger picture, no. it's creepy.
jsmith
Nov 2 2008, 03:26 PM
QUOTE(mouse @ Nov 2 2008, 02:18 PM)

i agree, rose, i don't think it's right to force your own agenda on kids who don't understand it, even if (hopefully) it's what they'll end up believing in when they grow up. i think it's one thing if they're a teenager and want to get involved on their own but still can't vote yet (i turned 18 just a couple months after the 2000 election and was hopping mad i couldn't vote in it), but for little kids who don't understand the bigger picture, no. it's creepy.
I turned 18 in January 05 following the 04 election. I complained bitterly to anybody who would listen about the injustice of it all
anarch
Nov 2 2008, 09:41 PM
from mudflats, Big Al from Las Vegas (scroll down to timestamp 07:41:17) writes about receiving a robocall (hey I didn't know they were interactive):
"I got one of those Karl Rove wack job robo-calls last night at my home. The call tries to link Obama to the CEOs of Fannie Mae. It also tries to link Obama to Bill Ayers. . . .
The robo-call would only allow our conversation to continue if I answered “yes” or “no” to questions such as “Did you know Barack Obama is black?” I got really pissed and started asking the robot if she/he knew that “McCain is a liar. He has run a negative and dishonorable campaign. That I used to respect the McCain of 2000 but this Karl Rove madeover McCain of 2008 disgusts me because he is only playing to the base and neglecting the issues Independents like me want to hear him address.” As soon as I started to rant-and-rave to the robot about Sarah Palin’s lack of credentials, inegrity and brain power, the robot hung up on me."
(petty, petty racism. "Did you know Barack Obama is black?" ie "He's BLAAAAAAACK! Be afraid! Very, very afraid!")
daily kos,
Why we stand in line to vote - a historical photo essayBreaking stereotypes with Cupcake“
We’re not facing any water hoses . . . We’re not picking cotton….We have a choice."
Christian Science Monitor,
My wife made me canvas for Obama; here's what I learned
tommynomad
Nov 3 2008, 01:41 AM
Swing voter commentary: not exactly journalism, but a nice little piece, nonetheless. I liked the way the author was up front about his own voting record.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1103/p09s02-coop.htmlMaybe a little hackneyed, but it's the only political piece I've seen this season (I haven't seen many) that were as genuine:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/cha...digby-just.html
jsmith
Nov 3 2008, 11:38 AM
Which news station will you all be watching tomorrow?
nohope
Nov 3 2008, 02:42 PM
Fox and NSNBC at the same time.
roseviolet
Nov 3 2008, 03:01 PM
I'm going to split my time between PBS & Comedy Central. Based on the previous two elections, I seriously doubt that a winner will be declared tomorrow night. Maybe possibly Wednesday if we're lucky.
Divala
Nov 3 2008, 06:45 PM
Comedy Central, MSNBC, CNN, and some local stations for the state races. I'm planning to be up into the wee hours to see how everything pans out, especially the Proposition 8 vote in California.
girltrouble
Nov 3 2008, 07:34 PM
all of the below, unless i decide to go out drankin'....
i think i'll go drankin'.
i don't think this will be a nail biter unless there are some kind of shenanigans~ why?
turnout for the candidates. according to huff post's off the bus blog, in columbus, mccain/palin were lucky to get their peak for the day of 3,500 peeps at a rally sunday--with country star gretchen wilson. that same day obama got 60,000, later with springsteen, 80,000.
rally tally total in ohio sunday:
mccain/palin: 11,500.
obama/biden: 162,000.
he got 10,000 people in a midnight rally last night in miami, today in tampa, he only managed 1,000. in 2004 bush managed 15,000 in tampa the day before elections.
freckleface7
Nov 3 2008, 07:59 PM
our Absentee Ballots did Not arrive in the mail today.. looks like there'll be no coin tossin' for me after all

.
once again, the backass redneck state the mr is from strikes again.
however, I do plan on staying semi-glued to the tv, to probably fox, cnn & wral local here bc the battle between liddy & Kay Hagan has just been so damn ugly.
I wish I could get together w/ all the Busties and drink & watch the results w/ everyone instead.
jsmith
Nov 3 2008, 08:01 PM
There are a lot of things to indicate that Obama will win, but....... I'm still sceered! I'll be fretting about it all day tomorrow, and if we don't find out by late evening, I'll probably have a meltdown.
faerietails
Nov 3 2008, 08:41 PM
dude, if some freak of nature happens tomorrow and mccain wins, i'll need a canadian to offer me her couch for the next 4 years.
(that being said, i think i'm still sticking with nader. sigh.)
humanist77
Nov 3 2008, 08:42 PM
OMG WE GOT TICKETS TO THE RALLY!!!OMG1PONIES!!
jsmith
Nov 3 2008, 09:22 PM
I'm going to spend a lot of time looking at
this page tomorrow when the states stop polling. I'll check and see what's going on at Huff and 538 (thanks to all who recommended this site, it's great) too. And of course, I'll stop in at this thread
janeinane
Nov 3 2008, 09:43 PM
Daaang, humanist, confabulations! I work downtown and keep hearing how ca-razy it'll be in teh Loop all afternoon. I was blase until the building management where I work said they'd start locking doors for security at 3:00!
I'm going to a wonk thing with my sis hosted at a bar by the Chi Council on Global Affairs. Will have my zune for NPR check-ins.
As far as kids & politics, I dunno... my parents are Republicans, and influenced me to some degree. In our grade school mock election I voted for Ford over Carter (yep I am that old) ....and look how I turned out.
mouse
Nov 3 2008, 10:11 PM
faerie, with all due respect, i hope to god you're not in a swing state.
humanist77
Nov 3 2008, 10:14 PM
yeah, not looking forward to the imminent insanity tomorrow night, but the best we can hope for is no violence. I really hope it will be a joyous event.
So sad about his grandmother-I like to think she's just turned into his guardian angel.
roseviolet
Nov 4 2008, 12:26 AM
Happy Election Day, everybody!
Freckle, I'm so sorry to hear about the problem with your absentee ballot. That really sucks. My mom was supposed to vote absentee, but she lost her ballot at work. The state was not allowed to give her a new one, so she kept looking, but unfortunately when she finally found it, it was too late (I'm not sure when the mail-in ballots have to be received in Oklahoma, but Mom says it's too late). She's out of her home state this week, so she just doesn't get to vote this time around. Granted, she isn't in a swing state so it wouldn't make much difference, but she was still upset that she didn't get to vote.
As for the state madness ... ugh. I think for now I want to stay mildly distant from that mess. If I'd genuinely liked any of the candidates I might feel differently, but honestly I'm just so sick of looking at the whole lot of them. Just tell me who won so we can move on already, ya know? 
I was so sad to hear that Barack's grandmother passed away on the eve of the election. Talk about a stressful week for that family.
girltrouble
Nov 4 2008, 12:44 AM
no, faerie is from texas, which is solidly rethuglican. hell, even their democrats are conservative down there.... *sigh* i miss ann richards and molly ivins....
huff post also had the matthew broadrick/ferris beuler obama ad, which i liked, oh and john cusack just gets cooler and cooler in my book. he wrote a piece for huff post.
oh and sasha baron cohen(aka borat) crashed a prop 8 rally....
freck, you haven't decided?
i'd be interested in your pros+ cons for each (you can pm me if you want to keep it private). i promise only to listen too. i'm more curious than anything. it's poop that they haven't got their act together with that.
i really can't figure out why elections haven't been standardized yet. the us system is ridiculous. there are just too many ways that the vote can be toyed with...
and yeah, rose your mom's ballot would have to be received by the registrar by 7pm tomorrow.
in washington state it only needs to have a postmark of nov 4th.
my new job has two guys that are republicans, they're both nice guys, but they say some democrats have been gloating. not at work, but other places. it's funny, usually i'm so outspoken, politic wise irl, but i haven't felt the need to say anything there. one of the guys and i talk about old school country(marty robbins, maddox bros & rose, etc.) half the day. honestly i could talk about that all day long. i think it confused him, i think he genuinely doesn't know what to make of me. when i told people i was from colorado, and loved country they got that dog-hearing-a-high-pitched-noise-they-can't-figure-out look on their face.
mouse
Nov 4 2008, 02:40 AM
i think i am going to throw up
i am not going to be able to pay any attention at work tomrorow and i dont know if i can wait until tomorrow evening or later to find out
i think i may pee my pants
sybarite
Nov 4 2008, 08:38 AM
We won't know here, definitively, until tomorrow (Wed) morning, and I don't think I can stay up all night... but I don't know if I'll be able to sleep either.
I am excited and scared and, like others have said, just holding my breath.
Freckle, sorry to hear about your ballot!
designermedusa
Nov 4 2008, 08:39 AM
Happy election day. I know we are all very anxious today.
Last night I saw some Obama people holding signs and one lady holding a McCain sign. I couldn't help but think of the 2000 election when there was a group of Bush people holding signs, and I was the only person holding a Gore sign. Oh, how things change.

Twin DM drove by two polling centers this morning, and she said the lines were decent. I don't think the lines in Florida will be extremely long since we've had early voting for two weeks, but I know some people like to vote on actual election day.
I'm thinking Obama will win Florida, and if so that will make me jump for joy.
starship
Nov 4 2008, 10:18 AM
I'm not american but reading your posts makes me wish i was! if only for today
this is probably the first U.S election Ive actually been excited/overly interested about
A lot of the world will be dissapointed if Obama doesnt win
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