May 6 2006, 02:14 PM
Yeah, Miss Thing, I saw "Bettie" and felt eh for the same reason. It seemed like they wanted to make half a movie about how she was duped into nudies and another half a movie that was all "TITS"! I would rather have just seen one or the other. I kinda feel this movie would have been better in the 90s when it was still kinda culturally fresh. most people i know have read all they could about Bettie in college and moved on. my friend and i were the only die-hards in a room full of aging gay men (saw it in chelsea) who provided most of the entertainment.
i feel "eh" about a lot of movies lately. i saw "art school confidential" and "friends with money" and only felt mild. i would have liked them more if the expectations set by "ghost world" and "lovely and amazing" weren't so high.
"thank you for smoking" underwhelmed. god did katie suck. you felt like she was in Dawson Leary's student film. eesh
May 6 2006, 02:31 PM
Yeah, Katie Holmes totally underwhelmed. I liked "Thank You For Smoking" otherwise. It was a little different than what I expected. Mostly I expected it to be a lot more funny. It's OK that it wasn't, just...not what I thought I signed up for.
But yeah! I was all excited to see who would play this spitfire Irish bombshell his friends were describing and then I was like "oh yeah. Katie Holmes. Meh to the meh degree..."
Yeah, I'll have to think on the "Bettie Page" movie a bit. It was all like "exploitation is bad! But while we're on the subject, here's some exploitation and TITS!!" Not that I'm a prude - just that I agree they should've chosen one or the other direction.
May 6 2006, 03:13 PM
I watched The Family Stone last night, too. I expected to sympathize and relate to SJP's character (I have future in-laws who don't like me - although I'm not the uptight one) but instead I hated her. I wanted her out of the movie. The ending was ridiculous. And it was yet another movie that made me wish I had a big family (and a beautiful big house to put them in).
May 6 2006, 08:52 PM
Movies like Home for the Holidays and The Family Stone remind me of my extended family who live in Northhampton, Massachusetts and live in a big old house that always looks cozy and picturesque around Thanksgiving. I liked visting them, but I was jealous of their money and their intellectual artsiness.
May 7 2006, 03:28 AM
Any Trekkies here? I know it's emm... already some time time ago, but for me it's still the best in this field of movies.
May 7 2006, 10:20 AM
sukouyant, I think the SJP character had a lot of potential for being interesting in The Family Stone but it just didn't hit it for me...for one thing, in that scene when she sobs, I didn't think the acting was effective. And that was a pretty important scene. Plus, it was such an ensemble piece, I didn't think there was time to devote to developing the character enough to really make her transformation resonate.
I do like the idea of those crazy New England families in their rambling old houses, too.
May 7 2006, 11:19 AM
mouni4 - I am a bit of a trekkie. Can't for the life of me figure out why they are doing a new movie, though.
May 7 2006, 11:37 AM
kittenb - hadn't heard of it before. I read what is written on the internet and guess you're right, I think with their idea of not including any Star Trek characters the film, this makes the whole thing already very inexistent, more like a bad joke or so.
May 7 2006, 11:38 AM
I thought the whole thing was going to be a Kirl/Spock prequal? I don't know, it kind of sounds to me like there my be some slash fic going on?
May 7 2006, 12:47 PM
*jumps up and down* Trekkie right here! I'm excited about the new movie just because I'm soooo sick of Star Wars mania, but I'm also scared over the fact that they're going backwards instead of forward. It won't be the same. If the Voyager crew hadn't been returned to Earth, I would've liked to see a movie featuring them.
May 7 2006, 02:09 PM
hanging my head and admiting, I too am a bit of a trekkie. I still watch reruns of Star Trek TNG all the time. But I am big sci-fi geek, so I'll put my head up and just accept the fact. I would love to see another movie, but I don't know about not using any of the cast we are all used too.
May 8 2006, 12:13 PM
May 8 2006, 01:01 PM
i've been to not one but two trekkie conventions. *preen* my addiction waned with deep space nine, and i never gave the other two tv series a chance. i'd love to see them give it another shot, film-wise. my love runs true and deep. vintage shatner still takes my breath away.
May 8 2006, 04:42 PM
Mmm, vintage Shatner...
Two conventions, huh? I'm so jealous! One of my goals in life is to attend a convention in full-on borg gear. I'd go for the hot Klingon look, but I'm afraid my boobs just aren't that big enough. lol
May 8 2006, 04:49 PM
I just have to ask, with this many trekkies, why did my sci-fi thread fail? I weep for it still...
May 9 2006, 11:30 AM
i was a trekkie by association. i watched them all the time with my dad when i was younger. my friend's stepmom keeps some of her collection in his room due to lack of space, so he has a life-sized cardboard spock who wears his ties and top hat, and a box of trekkie cookies from a convention in the 80s. it never ceases to amuse me
has anyone seen being julia? it's been sitting next to my tv forever, but i just never get around to watching it. is it one of those movies that you have to be in the right mood to appreciate it? or is it just generally good to watch whenever?
May 9 2006, 11:47 AM
My sister said Being Julia was a bit meh.
I saw Grizzly Man last night and thought that was a bit meh, too. I guess I expected more morbid-ness.
p.s. I am guilty of not having the foggiest idea of Trek life. I just know Bill Shatner did a great cover of Pulp's "Common People", and Spock is the one with the ears
May 9 2006, 11:56 AM
there's a commercial for digital cable that's a montage of crazy grizzly dude saying 'i will die for these bears' and it gives me wiggenness whenever i see it. that movie made me really sad, just because i could see that even though he thought he had the best intentions, he really wasn't doing what he thought he was, which was heartbreaking.
so far this week i've watched seven, memento, the usual suspects, and bits and pieces of suicide kings (i was napping). all good, like, really good in my books. i haven't watched a bad movie in months, which is a rare occurence, and makes me happy
May 9 2006, 12:09 PM
My old roommate and I really liked Being Julia. I guess you do kind of have to be in the right mood for it, though.
I saw The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill last night. It made me cry. Some of the camera work can get a little annoying, but overall it was cute. I also saw Tristan & Isolde the other night. Despite myself, and the bad reviews it got, I also liked it. *hangs head*
I should be getting Munich and The New World tomorrow. I can't wait for Munich. And I know it got good reviews, but I don't know why I immediately bumped up The New World on my netflix. I shoulda stuck with Latter Days or Eraserhead.
May 9 2006, 12:28 PM
Oh yeah, I keep forgeting to see The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill. I'm like the only bay area resident who hasnt seen it yet, but I HAVE seen the parrots IRL. It was in a park and they flew by and everyone got all excited, "its the wild parrots!"...this was before the film, even; they have been local celebrities for a while.
May 9 2006, 01:26 PM
wow, though it is already ages ago ... there are still some trekkies (a sigh of deep relief), alas!
What make me think of Sci Fi and .. well, you see all this stuff earlier than here in Europe, so I'm naturally curious to know: Has anybody already seen X-Men 3?
May 10 2006, 01:00 PM
I watched Pie In the Sky- The Brigid Berlin Story, which is a documentary about her...she's one of Andy Warhol's superstars. She came from a very rich, prominant family and rebelled...it goes into that stuff and her issues with weight and compulsive behavior and all that. Really, really interesting!
It would be a great double feature with Grey Gardens, another documentary about sorta nutty people from wealthy families.
I love theme nights! I always wanna have double features and/or meals related to the movies. A friend and I are gonna have a night with Together about a Swedish commune...and either have hippie food or Swedish meatballs...or both. Maybe meatless meatballs! Except that sounds too gross.
May 10 2006, 02:05 PM
Man, I've heard so many good things about "Grey Gardens." Thanks for the reminder.
May 13 2006, 12:59 PM
**Below is my thoughts on The Notorious Bettie Page. These are not spoilers just thoughts. I've put it in white just to be sure.**
I saw The Notorious Bettie Page, and I really liked it. I feel like it showed her story, and didn't really think their was any judgement. It just showed how she was naive, but I don't think she was a victim of pornography. It was interesting to see things that happened before she modeled because it gave you insight, and even after some bad things she still trusted people but never really let men get close.
May 14 2006, 06:12 PM
I saw Art School Confidential today. It was not funny at all. I thought it was really annoying.
May 14 2006, 09:33 PM
I loved "Art School Confidential"! Some of the leaps of faith the plot expects you to make are really ricoculous, but otherwise really accurate, funny observations, compelling storyline.
May 15 2006, 01:00 PM
I personally thought Betty Paige was on the worst movies I've ever seen. It really has nothing to say, no plot and no decent dialogue to speak of. I didn't think it informed me of anything about Betty Paige but was rather an excuse to show Gretchen Mol naked and in sexy outfits.
There were parts of Art School Confidential that were funny, like when John Malkovich gives the lead guy a speech about how it takes 20 years to become a good artist, etc., etc. that anybody who has pursued a career in the arts will recognize and roar about. There were lots of little moments I enjoyed, but overall, the film didn't really grab me and was full of cliches.
I saw Mission Impossible over the weekend (I KNOW, I KNOW, BAD ME for giving money to the Cruise vehicle!), but my friend wouldn't see the movie I wanted to see, so I got stuck. IT wasn't awful, wasn't great. Just meh. I LOVED Michelle Monaghan. That girl is going places. And Philip Seymour Hoffman was great as usual. Tom was running, and running, and running, and running. I think that's all he did really.
May 15 2006, 01:05 PM
okay, i just found this website and i thought it belonged more here than bizarro websites... www.stickscene.com
stickman renditions of movie boxes, posters, and scenes, and then you have to guess the movie. i'm pretty good at randomly guessing the right thing based on year and actors (especially for stuff from the 60s, for some reason, which makes no sense since i wasn't alive for almost 30 years after that)
May 15 2006, 08:57 PM
missthing, I think my problem with Art School Confidential was the leap of faith/far fetched plot. If it had strictly been about art students I think I would have enjoyed it much more. I just find it hard to watch films when they get ridiculous. If it had all been like the first 30 or so minutes it would have been much better.
May 15 2006, 09:02 PM
I thought about seeing Mission:Impossible to see PSH play a nasty bad guy, but I figured I could rent Happiness instead.
It's funny how Hoffman is so famous. In interviews he comes across as very normal and unassuming, just laughing and being silly.
May 16 2006, 06:55 AM
Oh tyger, that site is scary addictive.
Memory is a strange thing. I got Amadeus right away.
May 16 2006, 10:46 AM
Last night I saw the most disgusting, worthless, violent piece of shit film I have ever witnessed. DO NOT SEE THE PROPOSITION! I am going to boycott Nick Cave's music too (he wrote the screenplay). It stars Guy Pierce and Emily Watson, and it's won all kinds of Australian film awards, so I thought it would be great. It was about a man (Guy Pierce) whose brother is extremely violent and has raped and killed a pregnant woman and her family (this is during the 1800's when Australia was being settled by British criminals). The sheriff hired to reform this small town hunts down Guy and takes his younger brother away, telling Guy he must find and kill the older brother, or the younger one will be hanged in jail. What ensues is shooting, stabbing, raping, pillaging, blood, blood, more blood, sweat, flies, vomit, blood, more blood. It was so gratuitous I walked out.
May 16 2006, 10:52 AM
the unfortunate aspect of that film being set in that time, is that it really was that violent then. Perhaps it wasn't gratuitous so much as it was realistic for the time and place.
May 16 2006, 11:14 AM
We watched the documentary Children Underground last night, and it is just devestating. So good, but heartbreaking. It's about all the homeless children in Romania...there are a ton becuase birth control was made illegal. And they live on the street and sniff paint and sleep in the subways. It is difficult to watch, but you can't stop watching.
Celi, I wonder if it's just me who wants to run out and see a movie when you say "do not go see" this one or that one. I suppose I'm just contrary like that! I'll listen to an opinion, but phrase it in a way that you're tellin' me what to do and I just react from the gut! Ha.
I do wanna see The Proposition, though...I like Guy P. and Samantha M.
May 16 2006, 11:50 AM
oops, I mean, Emily Watson! I like her, too.
May 16 2006, 12:08 PM
Amilita! I have always wanted to see Together since I saw a trailer for it when it originally came out, but it never showed up at my favorite "usually has all the unusual stuff" video store.
May 16 2006, 12:18 PM
I know, it has been on my Netflix queue since the beginning and they've never gotten it...then my friend went ahead and bought it! I don't know why it's such a rare find, because everyone who has seen it is crazy about it. It is available on Amazon now, I believe.
May 16 2006, 05:07 PM
Regarding Together I think for a long time Lukas Moodysson's films were not readily available in the U.S. My sister had been looking for Lilja 4-Ever for a long time, and then NetFlix got it. I've seen four of his films, and they are all completely different. I don't know if you've see his other films, but Show Me Love is pretty funny in a non-comedy way, Lilja 4-Ever is the saddest film I've ever seen and A Hole In My Heart was rather disgusting. I really loved Together espeically the scene where the one guy takes his kids to eat at I think an italian restaraunt. It was just a really kind of weird scene.
May 16 2006, 05:18 PM
I really liked Show Me Love and Lilja 4-Ever, and they were completely different. I liked the scene in Show Me Love where the girls kiss at the chorus moment of Foreigner's "I Want to Know What Love Is," and I hated the ending of Lilja 4-Ever, even though it was coming.
May 16 2006, 05:33 PM
Two (or is it three?) years later, I'm still not sure how I feel about Lilja 4-Ever. I hate false redemption, but I also question saying that something is really effective just b/c it's unrelentingly depressing. Does that make any sense? As in, did I think it was a story well told just b/c it evoked all the right emotions? But at the same time I have trouble saying that b/c I didn't feel it was manipulative at all. So I don't know.
I loved Show Me Love/Fucking Amal and Together but I haven't seen A Hole in My Heart yet.
May 16 2006, 05:35 PM
I don't buy that "well that's what it was like at the time period, so it's okay to show that much violence..." I can get the picture of what the time period was like without being beaten over the head with it. Besides, it's not like people weren't HUMAN then. They could have easily focused more on that aspect than on actually SHOWING all the violence in full detail. Go ahead and see it, by all means, but don't eat before you go.
May 16 2006, 05:41 PM
It's like when I watch Deadwood. I can believe there was that much violence and nastiness in the Old West, but the cursing seems amped up just because it's HBO. After a while I can't concentrate on the story because the cursing gets to be too gratutious.
May 16 2006, 08:13 PM
This may seem kind of out there, but I figure this is the best place to ask this question:
Do y'all know the little compilation that one of those movie channels (I *think* it's TCM that does it) does at the end of the year that shows all the actors/actresses that died earlier that same year? Do y'all know what they call that?
May 16 2006, 08:52 PM
The Death Montage. No, I think they say "In Memory" or "Those Who've Passed." I always liked those Oscar clips because of the film scenes that are chosen, especially seeing some 1930s film clip of a lesser-known starlet who died at 90. It feels wistful and poignant somehow.
May 16 2006, 09:25 PM
Yes, quite poignant. I remember one in specific because it showed a very debonair man in a top hat and coat-tails(I think that's what it's called). I'd like to find out who the actor was. Maybe Cary Grant?
May 17 2006, 05:12 PM
Snaf, I think I know what you mean about Lilja 4-Ever. For me, I like depressing films because they tend to be very realistic, but at the same time I don't like a film to be depressing just to be depressing. I could just really feel the pain for this girl who is forced into something really horrible. The scenes shot from her perspective when the men were on top of her just really made me angry. It just makes me realize that there are people that actually have to live that life in real life, and it makes me really appreciate my life and my opportunities. I decide how much I like some films on the emotions that they cause me to have. I don't really look at it from a filmmaking perspective.
May 17 2006, 05:19 PM
did you say it was written by nick cave? no wonder it's overly violent....i love nick cave, but he's quite dark.
May 17 2006, 05:20 PM
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If any of you are Television Without Pity fans, the style might look a little familiar. What can I say? My sense of humor meshes well with theirs... :D
May 18 2006, 08:31 PM
I saw Clean tonight, this great drama with Maggie Cheung and Nick Nolte. I had wanted to see it a year ago, when it played at a small film festival, but I missed the date. So I was glad to catch it again.
Maggie plays a rock star's wife who is a junkie (as is he), and he dies of an overdose. After six months in prison and being detoxed, she gets out, but she doesn't have any money, and his parents don't feel comfortable giving her custody of her son. So she goes to Paris and works a couple of jobs, meeting up with old music-industry pals.
Nick Nolte played his character with a lot of poignancy and tenderness, I was surprised that he still had it in him.
I've liked Maggie since I read a New York Times article on her, and was fascinated by her intellect and private nature.
May 19 2006, 09:15 AM
Saw United 93. It is upsetting, in a different way than I'd thought it would be. I do think the director (Paul Greengrass) did a good job though. He made a movie about the Northern Ireland Troubles, so he's dealt with sensitive issues before. He's also not from the US, which possibly makes his vision clearer in a way; he wouldn't have felt attacked in the same way by 9/11.
But yeah, hard to watch. I broke down to be honest and still feel a bit weird. Worth seeing though, IMO.